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Could Chrysler Release A Ram-branded SUV?  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Now that Ram is its own brand (rather than being a model of Dodge truck), I was thinking, could a Ram-branded SUV be in the works? Perahps Ram can become akin to what GMC is to Chevrolet. However, one issue could be internal competition with Jeep.

What does anyone here think?


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2156 times:

Might work well if they can keep the price reasonable.

My son-in-law drives a Pacifica and I became somewhat impressed with it when I used it for a trip to Michigan. I believe that it could be reworked a bit and would do reasonably well in the market.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
My son-in-law drives a Pacifica and I became somewhat impressed with it when I used it for a trip to Michigan. I believe that it could be reworked a bit and would do reasonably well in the market.

The Pacifica, one of the earlier Cross-overs aka CUVs, has been out of production for a several years.

What would more likely happen is the Dodge Durango being re-badged as the Ram Durango. Personally, I'm surprised that didn't happen already with all-new 2012 Durango roll-out.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Not with the wave of CUVs becoming the (unfortunate) future. There are already far fewer vehicles in the "true SUV" market than ten years ago, and with increasing fuel efficiency standards, that's not going to change.

Even the latest-generation Durango is now a Cherokee-based unibody.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Maybe when Chrysler/Fiat replaces the current Dodge Journey CUV (station wagon, really), it will be replaced as a Ram model. Personally, I think the Jeep branded (and Fiat platform-based) replacements for the Liberty and Compass models that are coming next year (as a 2014 model, I believe) will actually fill the smaller SUV role for the automaker.

[Edited 2012-08-27 14:28:32]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Highly unlikely considering the Dodge Durango is not selling in the numbers they had hoped (People are opting for the Grand Cherokee instead of the Durango if they're buying a Mopar brand.) Rumors are that it may not make it past the current model year and if they do continue the model, the 2013 model year will be the last. With the exception of the Dodge Journey crossover, the SUV/CUV segment in the future will be Jeep's domain in most of the world. 2014 sees the new Cherokee/Liberty (The Liberty name may be dropped in North America in favor of reviving the Cherokee name since the Liberty is sold as the Cherokee elsewhere.) which also replaces the Jeep Patriot, a refreshed Grand Cherokee and the return of the Jeep (Grand) Wagoneer which will essentially replace the Dodge Durango within the Mopar family.

User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

I'm glad true SUVs are losing ground in the mainstream market. 90% of the sales were to people who had no need of a true SUV in the first place when all they needed was a wagon or minivan.

User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Jeep is supposedly releasing a Durango as the Grand Wagoneer and then they will possibly kill the Durango.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting KingairTA (Reply 6):

I'm glad true SUVs are losing ground in the mainstream market. 90% of the sales were to people who had no need of a true SUV in the first place when all they needed was a wagon or minivan.

What does it matter to you? If your neighbors want to drive an SUV with the interior room of a small condo that gets five miles to the gallon it isn't your problem or mine. If somebody wants to drive a $50,000 pickup with a built in DVD player for that one Saturday every year to haul a load of mulch to the flowerbed in front of their underwater McMansion, that's their business.



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User currently offlineLTC8K6 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 948 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Pickup and SUV sales are still strong, actually.

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
People are opting for the Grand Cherokee

I drove one last weekend, it's an impressive vehicle let down by a cheapo interior and a horrible gearbox, if Jeep revised the interior and put in a modern 6/7/8 speed auto like the majority oif it rivals it would be a very attractive package in Europe, especially since it's well priced.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1362 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

What does anyone here think?

Dodge has a BIG SUV, but south of the border....
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...he-border-only-mini-test-road-test



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2243 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting varigb707 (Reply 11):

Dodge has a BIG SUV, but south of the border....

Dude, you know that article is 12 years old...they discontinued the Mexican Ramcharger around 2002.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
I drove one last weekend, it's an impressive vehicle let down by a cheapo interior and a horrible gearbox, if Jeep revised the interior and put in a modern 6/7/8 speed auto like the majority oif it rivals it would be a very attractive package in Europe, especially since it's well priced.

Fortunately the refresh that is suppose to to arrive next year is expected to have 8 speed transmissions across the board. Can't really comment on the interior, I thought it was pretty good considering the car's price.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1859 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 13):
Fortunately the refresh that is suppose to to arrive next year is expected to have 8 speed transmissions across the board.

That's good because the V6 turbodiesel is a good one and it's crying out for a decent transmission.

Quoting Polot (Reply 13):
Can't really comment on the interior, I thought it was pretty good considering the car's price.

Compared to XC90, Touraeg, X5, ML, Cayenne, Discovery, Range Rover Sport and Q7 it's a let down, these are it's price competitors in Norway, it does have a nicer interior than the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.


User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
Compared to XC90, Touraeg, X5, ML, Cayenne, Discovery, Range Rover Sport and Q7 it's a let down, these are it's price competitors in Norway, it does have a nicer interior than the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.

I see, here in the US it is much (and in some cases,, MUCH) cheaper than all of those, except maybe the XC90. But the XC90 is what, 10 years old now?


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 15):
But the XC90 is what, 10 years old now?

Yup introduced in 2002, generation 2 due in 2014. Volvo are still selling everyone they can make, I personally think it's time is up but people still buy them. A family down the street from my house have just ordered their 3rd XC90. One thing it has in it's favor is a very flexible interior, plus it's still one of the safest SUV's on the road today.

Out of all the cars built in the US today the Grand Cherokee is about the only one I would actually buy, if they fixed the interior and with a new 8 speed auto it would be very attractive.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
I drove one last weekend, it's an impressive vehicle let down by a cheapo interior and a horrible gearbox, if Jeep revised the interior and put in a modern 6/7/8 speed auto like the majority oif it rivals it would be a very attractive package in Europe, especially since it's well priced.

The next gen Grand Cherokee is slated to get a ZF-based 8 speed gearbox, as eventually all of the Chrysler/Dodge/Ram/Jeep vehicles will used either an 8-speed or 9-speed gearbox designed by and licensed from ZF.

Hopefully the interior will get better, as I know with the Chrysler 200 and 300, they've improved the interior over previous model years. I've got a 2003 Dodge Stratus and the interior is pretty cheap and some plastic pieces are easily cracked. It was even worse the last few years of ownership under Daimler, as they started cutting corners as well as quality on most interiors.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):
The Pacifica, one of the earlier Cross-overs aka CUVs, has been out of production for a several years.

I know and, after over a week in one I kinda regret it. It was the most basic model, but did a pretty good job of hauling a lot of stuff & keeping us comfortable. I'll be doing the trip again in a couple of weeks and will do another swap with the con-in-law.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 3):

Not with the wave of CUVs becoming the (unfortunate) future.

The CUV (to me) is nothing more than a station wagon that has been raised up so you sit higher. (Must admit that I learned to drive on a '55 Pontiac station wagon and still have a fondness for them).

The Pacifica was very easy to get in and out of - a nice feature these days. When I was young I had no problems with getting in and out of my father's TR-3, but that was half a century ago. Now that comfortable design is important.  


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1786 times:
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Quoting Ken777 (Reply 1):
My son-in-law drives a Pacifica and I became somewhat impressed with it when I used it for a trip to Michigan. I believe that it could be reworked a bit and would do reasonably well in the market.

Have you driven the Journey? It's a pretty nice ride and similar in size to the Pacifica.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2048 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1780 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
I know and, after over a week in one I kinda regret it. It was the most basic model, but did a pretty good job of hauling a lot of stuff & keeping us comfortable. I'll be doing the trip again in a couple of weeks and will do another swap with the con-in-law.

The Pacifica was slightly ahead of its time, arriving a little too early for the CUV craze. Coupled with a blotched launch (too many premium trims on the lots, not enough cheaper variants) that tainted people's view towards the car and some quality concerns, the Pacifica unfortunately had no chance when the CUV wave did hit. I personally believe that the Pacifica is one of those cars that should have had a 2d gen (and if executed correctly would have resulted in a great car), but unfortunately did not.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 20):
The Pacifica was slightly ahead of its time, arriving a little too early for the CUV craze.

As was the R Class, although it's pretty popular as a hearse. The R class will get a second generation model, however it will be based on the E class chassis not the ML like the current model.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 19):
Have you driven the Journey? It's a pretty nice ride and similar in size to the Pacifica.

The Journey's actually smaller than the Pacifica. The Journey's closer to the size of a Chevy Equinox whereas the Pacifica was closer in size to the larger Chevy Traverse.



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