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Chris Christie Vs. Springsteen  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

A really interesting read from the July/August Atlantic magazine. This is what I have to admit I like about Christie - the Boss is one of his heroes, but he refuses to call him a hypocrite or miscreant despite significant political differences. The only thing Goldberg got wrong in this piece was not adding a sentence that said "perhaps this kind of disposition explains why so many Democrats and independents can see themselves voting for a man like Christie."

And I asked one more question: What would happen if Springsteen did speak to you, but only to say “You absolutely don’t understand me.”

“Just because we disagree doesn’t mean I don’t get him,” Christie said. “I get what he’s trying to express and advocate for, I just don’t agree that those are the most-effective policies for our government.” I asked him if Springsteen’s rejection would trigger a freak-out. “If this was 10 years ago, maybe it would have. But I have much thicker skin now. I’m more mature, I’m more prepared to have that kind of conversation with a guy I’ve idolized since I was 13 years old.”


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...rchive/2012/07/jersey-boys/309019/


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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8202 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 23 hours ago) and read 2563 times:

I'll read the whole article later but Christie - who is what is known as a "moderate" - has taken quite a bit of flak from his own party, cos he has said (iirc) that global-warming is manmade and real (backtracked), and his international experience (US ambassador to China) has been held against him as though to engage in the outside world (or even travel to it) is seen as weakness.

Unfortunately with the radical right holding sway, we have here a Republican candidate that Dems could imagine voting for but Republicans could not.

(Glad he likes The Boss, that's good!)



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5426 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 18 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
has taken quite a bit of flak from his own party, cos he has said (iirc) that global-warming is manmade and real (backtracked), and his international experience (US ambassador to China) has been held against him as though to engage in the outside world (or even travel to it) is seen as weakness.


I believe you've confused Christie with Jon Hunstman



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User currently offlineJean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2116 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 17 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Fascinating article; thanks for posting. I get the impression that it could be good for everyone if Springsteen gave in and had a meeting with Christie. I mean, if Bono can hang out with GWB...

I find Christie fascinating. Even as a Liberal (capital 'L') from north of the border, he generally seems to me like the kind of conservative we need to see more of in this decade, as opposed to the more rabid Tea Party types - of which we have a few in Canada, as well, so I'm not pointing fingers.

JL



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User currently offlineGEEZER From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
I’m more prepared to have that kind of conversation with a guy I’ve idolized since I was 13 years old.”

Thank you Aaron for posting that ! So Gov. Christie "idolizes" his state's biggest tax-dodger, huh ? If he bothered to check out how he manages to "game" the states tax laws, he'd probably like him a lot less !
Fo me........hearing Springsteen's name, or seeing his pathetic face, tends to nauseate me; as you might guess, I'm not a fan of his.........

Maybe I better give some legitimate reasons why I feel this way ?

!. Like many "over the hill" so-called entertainers, he's a pompous jack-ass
2. He's beyond UGLY !
3. When he tries to sing, he sings CRAP !
4. He's a world-class tax dodger, plus he's a total hypocrite ! ( he thinks You and ME should pay lots of taxes, but that it's O.K. for him to dodge them
5. I can think of 9,000 people who can play a guitar 4 times better than he can. ( that oughta be enough reasons )

Charley

P.S. I KNEW there was something about Christie that bothered me; now I'll know never to vote for him !



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 7 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 1):
I'll read the whole article later but Christie - who is what is known as a "moderate" - has taken quite a bit of flak from his own party,

Yeup. But you have to remember that that's because the more astute members of the GOP see him for what he is. He is to republicans in 2012 what Obama was to Dems in 2004. Watch this guy. He's going places.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 3):

I find Christie fascinating. Even as a Liberal (capital 'L') from north of the border, he generally seems to me like the kind of conservative we need to see more of in this decade, as opposed to the more rabid Tea Party types - of which we have a few in Canada, as well, so I'm not pointing fingers.

As much as I do support the current administration, it would bother be not at all to see Obama's second term concluded at Christie's inauguration.

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 4):

Thank you Aaron for posting that ! So Gov. Christie "idolizes" his state's biggest tax-dodger, huh ? If he bothered to check out how he manages to "game" the states tax laws, he'd probably like him a lot less !

I don't think so. If you read the article there, you will see that he specifically mentions that he likes The Boss for his work, and that he respects that greatly, without regard to political stances.

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 4):
4. He's a world-class tax dodger, plus he's a total hypocrite ! ( he thinks You and ME should pay lots of taxes, but that it's O.K. for him to dodge them

Do you actually know that? He's been outspoken against the war (is that really a surprise from the guy who wrote Born in the USA?), but I don't recall him saying that middle classers & retirees should shoulder the burden of America's overhaul.

Quoting GEEZER (Reply 4):

P.S. I KNEW there was something about Christie that bothered me; now I'll know never to vote for him !

I sincerely hope you live long enough to change your mind. Saying that now sounds quite a bit like saying "I'd never vote for that B-movie clown Reagan" right about 1976. The GOP won't be saved from complete oblivion by freaks like Palin or Perry or Bachman or take your pick of any of the out-of-touch psychos that ran this spring. If, (and a freakin' huge IF there) the GOP ever gets back on its feet, it will be from folks like Christie, who can see past bullshit and isolationism and actually work across the aisle to get things done.

The TPs and bigots and religious special interests are effectively history, even now. America is sick of that garbage. But we'll listen to people that really want us (ALL of us) to wind up better off.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

I could care less about what Bruce Springsteen says or thinks. I was never a huge fan of his music either. My vote goes to Chris Christie.


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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 6):
I was never a huge fan of his music either. My vote goes to Chris Christie.

I don't know. Just about anything off of Born in the USA would sound awesome in a Mark VII roadtrip. Of course, that album may never have been offered on 8-track.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 7):
Just about anything off of Born in the USA would sound awesome in a Mark VII roadtrip.


Haha! That would be era specific.  
I'd rather listen to Chicago 17 or Purple Rain on that road trip.  
I think Bruce Springsteen get's so much credit because he's from the New York area. He is a decent songwriter but artist that cover his music seem to do a better job at his songs. Why is it when he releases a new album, it's on the 6 o'clock news? Much of his music sounds like something you'd hear at a carnival or county fair. As far as his blue collar working class image, it comes off as phony.
For American roots rock, I much prefer Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, John Cougar Mellencamp and Bob Segar and the Silver Bullet Band.
Then of course, there's that Springsteen rip of band from Rhode Island named John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band....

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 7):
Of course, that album may never have been offered on 8-track.


Actually it was. Only through the Columbia Record Club and RCA Record Club.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/BornInUSA8track.jpg



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 7):
Just about anything off of Born in the USA would sound awesome in a Mark VII roadtrip. Of course, that album may never have been offered on 8-track.

That's okay, Superfly can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 8-tracks were available in Mark VIIs.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 9):
That's okay, Superfly can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think 8-tracks were available in Mark VIIs.


Yes it was. The first model year only - 1984 had it available.
They were leftovers from the 1983 model year. Ford had an all new 8track player for 1983 that had bass & treble controls and a digital read out display.


As for Chris Christie, it makes sense for him to boast about Bruce Springsteen since they're both from New Jersey and much of his music sounds like political pep-rally music.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 2308 times:

I am thoroughly amazed in the credence that is given to celebrity endorsements or even celebrity political positions. Let's understand this, whether a celebrity is right leaning, left leaning or middle of the road, they live in a rarefied reality that they, the media and their fans create. As such, and this is a generalization, there are exceptions (on all sides of the political spectrum); their point of view is skewed by this manufactured reality.

That having been said, I think Christie has this right: you have to compartmentalize, especially if you are a Conservative. If I based my entertainment value on the political leanings of the entertainer, I would be stuck in a very small, un-entertaining world.

I do make one exception to that position; Jane Fonda for her treason.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
I am thoroughly amazed in the credence that is given to celebrity endorsements or even celebrity political positions. Let's understand this, whether a celebrity is right leaning, left leaning or middle of the road, they live in a rarefied reality that they, the media and their fans create. As such, and this is a generalization, there are exceptions (on all sides of the political spectrum); their point of view is skewed by this manufactured reality.


Agreed!
Seems like within the last 10 years, celebrity endorsements seem to get too much attention. Elvis Presley didn't make an endorsement when he took a photo with President Nixon. With Bruce Springsteen and Bono of U2, I sometimes forget that they're musicians. I often think of them as political activist. No entertainer has ever influenced my political views. Although, Gene Simmons has opened my eyes to a different perspective. If there is any celebrity that mirrors my beliefs, it's Gene Simmons of Kiss.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 11):
if you are a Conservative. If I based my entertainment value on the political leanings of the entertainer, I would be stuck in a very small, un-entertaining world.


True.
Listening to Ted Nugget over and over again would get old very quick.
Although he does rock!  



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