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Mitt Romney Campaign Planes  
User currently offlineKiffy From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 195 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11259 times:

A continuation of this thread: Mitt Romney Campaign Plane

It’s going to be two USA Jet DC-9s; one for Romney and one for Ryan.
Official Campaign Planes

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[Edited 2012-08-30 23:29:02]

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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11201 times:

Yes, it is at LAL waitingr departure on Friday


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10725 times:

Hahaha - a DC-93 for Ryan...

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10643 times:

Romney:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JUS100

Ryan:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JUS200

Wonder if flight tracking will be 'blocked' during the remainder of the campaign?



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2316 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10455 times:

With as rampant as the "green" movement is, I wonder how long before the Romney campaign gets blasted for chartering aircraft that are decades old and fuel inefficient.  


I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

These aircraft are usually used for DOJ transports if I'm not mistaken. Anyone know what the cabin configuration is? I'd imagine the cabins have been reconfigured for the campaign.

User currently offlinetjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2433 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

Quoting max550 (Reply 5):
These aircraft are usually used for DOJ transports if I'm not mistaken. Anyone know what the cabin configuration is? I'd imagine the cabins have been reconfigured for the campaign.


I don't think USA Jet does DOJ transports. JUS is their code, but they are not the 'justice' flights. Both campaign a/c are probably in exec config. In fact one of USA Jet's MD-83's was used by U2 during their tour.


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Looks like flights will not be blocked. JUS101 headed to MSY from LAL:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JUS101

Romney headed to New Orleans to tour storm damage
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-new-orleans-to-tour-storm-damage/
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[Edited 2012-08-31 06:44:17]


Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlinemax550 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10157 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 6):
I don't think USA Jet does DOJ transports. JUS is their code, but they are not the 'justice' flights. Both campaign a/c are probably in exec config. In fact one of USA Jet's MD-83's was used by U2 during their tour.

You're right, I forgot JPATS uses their own aircraft.

Unless they changed anything this should be the configuration of Romney's plane:
http://www.usajet.aero/aircraft_types_MD83.htm

and Ryan's:
http://www.usajet.aero/aircraft_types_DC9_30.htm


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25055 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9936 times:

DC-9 is hell less wasteful and less costly to operate than the 747 Obama takes around the country campaigning.

This was even made fun of last night at the convention by Clint Eastwood.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinemodesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9818 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
DC-9 is hell less wasteful and less costly to operate than the 747 Obama takes around the country campaigning.

Yeah, but Obama doesn't have a say in that matter.


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 885 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9791 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
DC-9 is hell less wasteful and less costly to operate than the 747 Obama takes around the country campaigning.

As noted , Obama doesn't have a choice. Obama can also fit a lot more people into his plane reducing the environmental impact per passenger. The DC-9 is hardly a green alternative.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
This was even made fun of last night at the convention by Clint Eastwood.

Haha ... because the GOP is so big on Green friendly policies  


User currently offlineCOflyerBOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9447 times:

I'm surprised they aren't 737s from KX.  

User currently offlinexdlx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 635 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 11):

But it sure is faster...... 


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9182 times:

Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 3):
Quoting tjwgrr (Reply 6):
Looks like flights will not be blocked. JUS101 headed to MSY from LAL:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/JUS101

These posts seem contradictory: one says the flight number for Romney's plane will be 100, but the other says 101. Which one is correct? And is Ryan's flight number always going to be 200? Also, does anyone know the N-numbers for these aircraft? I would think that would be the best way to track them on FlightAware.

[Edited 2012-08-31 08:49:37]

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9067 times:

Actually, I think it is interesting how most presidential candidates and their minions (and Nancy Pelosi and her minions) all want something super-fancy. The media covered adoringly how Obama was given a special expensive chair on his campaign plane.

Looks like Mitt, who has been doing business travel a long time, just wants a basic, albeit comforable, plane.

Since folks have long since given up measuring actual pollution and instead now get exercised about CO2, i.e. the stuff we breathe out and which is produced by everything ever burned, I wonder how much CO2 a DC9-30 puts out vs Obama's 757 on his campaign. I suspect the DC9 is lower. Again, not pollutants, just CO2. Smaller plane, smaller engines, smaller "fire", maybe smaller CO2?


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5048 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

Oh the dilemma I'm in. My favorite commercial aircraft of all time being used as right wing transportation. My liberal blood boils!  


Next Up: STL-LGA-RIC-ATL-STL
User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

One big issues with these things is dispatch reliability. Campaign use is pretty-demanding on airframes and crews, and often involves traveling to locations that are on the smaller side. Let's hope [purely ecumenically, as aviation enthusiasts] that when these things inevitably go tech, that USA Jet has a plan to get everyone to the next stop. Otherwise, there will be lots of grumbling from the traveling press about not even being able to run a campaign charter much less a country. USA Jet has 3 pax birds of each type. Miami Air has a reputation at being good at this kind of things, as did the late ATA; others, not so much.

User currently offlinethrufru From Marshall Islands, joined Feb 2009, 224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

The 747's aren't the only aircraft available to the president to use, and in reality aren't the only ones that he does use. There are 757's, used by the Bushes to fly to Sanford Airport, near Kennebunkport in Maine, or even the government version of the DC-9, often used by Clinton to fly to Marha's Vineyard. The fleet of aircraft available to the president is varied and does change with the mission.

Conversely, saying that the use of a 747 by the current president for campaign travel leaves a greater carbon footprint than a pair of Mad-Dogs doesn't take into account the whole picture. How many additional aircraft are needed for support staff, security, press, etc. A 747 can carry a lot of those. An MD-93 doesn't have quite the uplift. Let's also not forget that a sitting president has vastly different security concerns than any other candidate. The choice of the type of transportation is not really up to him, anyway.

I sure hope that the choice of MD's doesn't end up posing a maintenance problem for them either. It's not always a good thing to go with the lowest bid. The Boston Bruins did that a few years ago when they left Miami Air. A broker gave then a great number and they jumped at it. The problem was, though, that they didn't do their own due diligence. Whereas Miami Air included every single conceivable item, their new company was effectively an empty, uncrewed, uncatered aircraft (no fuel, or deicing either). Here's hoping RR ensured that all the add-ons were considered!


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 10):
Yeah, but Obama doesn't have a say in that matter.

Uh, he has an entire fleet available, he doesn't HAVE to take the 747.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 14):
These posts seem contradictory: one says the flight number for Romney's plane will be 100, but the other says 101. Which one is correct? And is Ryan's flight number always going to be 200?

Maybe 100 and 200 series, ie: 101, 102, etc.



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5150 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Cargolex -- don't forget about Pace being gone now, too.

User currently offlineairtanker From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7085 times:
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I can assure everyone that Andrews has several aircraft types that are easily configured to meet the "requirements" of flying the CIC. I know of no requiement that the CIC use only the VC-25, especially for CONUS travel. As discussed for several years, the VC-25 makes a big impression for CIC travel and that's why it's used many times when it really isn't necessary.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting milesrich (Reply 8):
I do not think that Romney or Ryan care much about the "green" effect or fuel economy. Chartering gas guzzling obsolete aircraft because they are probably saving a few bucks goes right along with the "drill, baby, drill" energy policy of these two.

And judging by Obama's use of the 747 for all those campaign trips, neither does he. If Obama was truly "green" he would embrace what Al Gore has been preaching and do teleconferencing for at least some of his campaigning.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
DC-9 is hell less wasteful and less costly to operate than the 747 Obama takes around the country campaigning.

That is true.

Quoting modesto2 (Reply 10):
Yeah, but Obama doesn't have a say in that matter.

Yes, he does and he can reduce his carbon footprint if he so desires as I pointed out above.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 19):
Honestly, criticism of either side by either side is inappropriate given the choices, or relative lack thereof, available to both campaigns.

I agree totally. I always cringe a bit when people make highly political comments here.


User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1262 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6621 times:

Honestly, criticism of either side by either side is inappropriate given the choices, or relative lack thereof, available to both campaigns.

The Double R's might have been able to charter a 737 of some sort, but right now there are not many 757s or other larger aircraft available for this kind of charter.

North American's 757s were used by several campaigns over the years (including Obama's in 2008) and they were a favorite of political candidates from all sides of the spectrum. But North American no longer has those aircraft and the availability of aircraft for charter seems to be somewhat slim. Omni and Atlas don't have anything available and World/North American have parked many things. I don't think Ryan has much available either, and both Ryan and World/North American are in financial distress. As indicated above, Pace is gone and the other choices - Falcon Air Express, Ameristar, they're pretty much offering what USA Jet is offering.

This leaves either a 767 (or maybe an MD-11), which is bigger money all over and may not even be available, or a 737 from somebody else. I suppose they could have gotten a 757 from UA or DL, but this doesn't seem to be what Presidential candidates want to do and I don't know if they even have aircraft available for them.

USA Jet's product apparently fits the need of the Double R ticket, and so that's what they chartered. In some respects, it's what they could get rather than what they'd probably have chosen if more options were available. I don't believe they can use a non-US company for a variety of reasons, which rules out any available European 757 charters.

There are probably not too many other choices they could have made, most of which would have been 734/738 maybe, or other DC-9/MD-80 family products.

President Obama might be able to get away with the C-32 in some circumstances, but he's required to travel a certain way whether he wants to or not and that usually means the VC-25.

This year, I don't think either of the tickets really has many options open to them for "greener" transportation, whether they care about that or not. I don't really feel it's fair to criticize either of these tickets for their aircraft choices.


User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6563 times:

There is NO doubt in my mind that there is NO coincidence that he is using USA Jet for his campaign. He's trying to butter up his constituants.

User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6321 times:

Any of the seats that are empty on the Romney campaign planes are gonna get it if Clint Eastwood manages to find his way aboard .....

 


25 TrijetsRMissed : Only on A.Net will you see people complaining over the aircraft type being used. Ridiculous. Politics aside, be happy to see a D93 still in demand for
26 MikeCT : Does he really though? I can't see him having much say in this decision (or any president). I would think his staff and the Secret Service work this
27 tymnbalewne : My 2¢... a) It's ridiculous to blame one side or the other for their choice in air transport. Those who are saying the President is ridiculous to tak
28 planespotting : Come on - all politics aside, the president uses way more resources/CO2 to transport himself and everything that goes with him around the country. Jus
29 Post contains links B727FA : I don't think R&R would use any DC-8 just because it came from a company called USAJet. That has little to nothing to do with their choice. I wond
30 Klaus : Both sides' transports are chosen for practical reasons and not really open to criticism. That said, there is still some symbolism in the Romney team
31 LTBEWR : I suspect canidates like Romney have to charter a USA made, USA registered, USA ownership aircraft, so will limit their choices of a/c. With so many c
32 BMI727 : Well, since literally taking the ecotards to the woodshed is illegal, I'll settle for doing it figuratively. The current President is using the VC-25
33 Mir : Which the other side would immediately attack him on, claiming that he doesn't care enough about the people to actually leave Washington and meet the
34 Post contains images Klaus : How nice. Looks like the obvious association does sting...
35 BMI727 : You made a reasonable point and then proceeded to contradict it about two keystrokes later. With a performance like that you should be running for of
36 Post contains images KPDX : Honestly.. who the hell cares? Grasping for straws... all too common these days with politicians..
37 Klaus : What one does (and why) is one thing. What the appearance of that same act is can be a whole different matter.
38 BMI727 : It might be had you not just said that the appearance didn't matter. You say it's not open to criticism right before criticizing it. And you say it's
39 Klaus : No, I did not, since it does, particularly in an election (although the campaign planes will probably not have that much of an impact in the general
40 Post contains links and images DocLightning : The "Presidential" area is that with the brown carpeting, or the forward 2/3 of the aircraft's main deck. Now, he shares it with a lot of other peopl
41 Post contains images BMI727 : By the way, how can appearance matter in something few people will ever see? You get a few seconds of Romney coming down the stairs in the small Amer
42 DeltaMD90 : Uh so the President, flying in VC-25s produced in 1986 (Reagan years) means the President's policies are much like Reagan's? President Obama is a con
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