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Hank Williams: Are You Ready For Some Ignorance?  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

Actually, I should have said "some more ignorance" but ran out of space in the title.

Quote:

Hank Williams Jr., whose "Monday Night Football" theme song was pulled by ESPN last year after he compared President Barack Obama to Adolf Hitler, lashed out at the president during a Labor Day weekend concert.

"We've got a Muslim for a president who hates cowboys, hates cowgirls, hates fishing, hates farming, loves gays, and we hate him!" Williams reportedly told the crowd at the Stockyards Music Festival in Fort Worth, Texas, on Sunday.

  

The Right doesn't need "friends" like Mr. Hank Williams! Outside of the Muslim crap (listen up, Williams, the man has stated clearly and unequivocally that he is not a Muslim!), why does Williams think Obama hates cowboys/cowgirls, fishing or farming, and why does he think Obama should not love gay people?

Ref: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/h...president-130155210--politics.html


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4265 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
why does Williams think Obama hates cowboys/cowgirls

There is absolutely nothing wrong with hating the Cowboys (also sometimes called the Cowgirls, particularly when they play hilariously poorly). I am proud to support the president on this issue.   

-Mir



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1222 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4255 times:

Sounds like average Republican to me.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

If President Obama hate the Cowboys, I may spend a milli-second or so reconsidering my vote.

Ok, the feeling has passed.
Oh, I also spent another millisecond or so reconsidering my vote when I found out he drinks home-brewed beer, but lost that feeling when I found out that the White House staff actually did the brewing.

Got a news clipping on my FB recently; can't cut and paste, so I'll just re-write it:

Breaking News
DALLAS(TX) - Dallas Cowboys football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. Head Coach Jason Garrett immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensics experts determined that the white substance, unknown to players, was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.  

Let the Cowboy bashing begin.

Oh yeah, and Hank Williams Jr. lost relevancy, if he had any, years ago.

See this thread for my feelings on celebrities and their political beliefs.

[Edited 2012-09-04 08:30:04]


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 2):
Sounds like average Republican to me.

Unfortunately he does support the stereotype.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
Oh, I also spent another millisecond or so reconsidering my vote when I found out he drinks home-brewed beer, but lost that feeling when I found out that the White House staff actually did the brewing.

On the other hand, if he had made his own, half the folks here would say things like "shouldn't the leader of the free world be doing more important things?".

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
FBI forensics experts determined that the white substance, unknown to players, was the GOAL LINE.

LOL! Now you've gone and kicked the bee's nest!



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4155 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 3):
Breaking News
DALLAS(TX) - Dallas Cowboys football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. Head Coach Jason Garrett immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensics experts determined that the white substance, unknown to players, was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.

I heard that they also got a little spooked by these mysterious objects at the end of the field:





As for Williams' tirade, I guess you just have to consider the source. What's kind of comical about it is that I just can't picture anyone actually hating cowboys or farmers..."Yeah, you know those guys who lead the cattle around, I F-ing HATE them. They're almost as bad as those bastards who grow all the food!"

Hate fishing? Yeah, I can see that.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3579 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4140 times:

It's nice to stand on moral high ground with the knowledge that no Democrat has ever said something rhetorical, isn't it? To feel so superior and smug, it really is quite a good feeling.

Oh, wait.....

Sep 3, 2012 7:17pm

Calif. Dem Says Ryan Lies Like Nazi’s Goebbels

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -The chairman of the California delegation to the Democrats’ convention was criticized by both parties for comparing Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan to the Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels.
In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday, John Burton said, “They lie and they don’t care if people think they lie. Joseph Goebbels . It’s the big lie, you keep repeating it.” Goebbels was the minister of propaganda during Hitler’s Nazi regime.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3579 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

As a followup, the fine leader of the Democratic party in the largest state of the union has been sent home from the DNC for a root canal.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 6):
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -The chairman of the California delegation to the Democrats’ convention was criticized by both parties for comparing Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan to the Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels.
In an interview with the San Francisco Chronicle on Saturday, John Burton said, “They lie and they don’t care if people think they lie. Joseph Goebbels . It’s the big lie, you keep repeating it.” Goebbels was the minister of propaganda during Hitler’s Nazi regime.

See, the difference is that comparing Obama to Hitler is not a valid comparison.

Comparing the RNC's strategy of telling outright lies over and over and over again until they are believed is actually validly compared to Goebbels's techniques.

Fact Check, a non-partisan source, seems to ding the Republicans at a 5:1 ratio to the Democrats lately.

When you have to lie to support your position, you admit that your position is not supportable.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Comparing the RNC's strategy of telling outright lies over and over and over again until they are believed is actually validly compared to Goebbels's techniques.

Yeah, but when you drop Goebbels' name, it's pretty clear what your broader point is. There are ways to say the same thing without using Nazi connotations.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
Yeah, but when you drop Goebbels' name, it's pretty clear what your broader point is. There are ways to say the same thing without using Nazi connotations.

Agreed. It was tasteless. I'll grant that. But if someone is going to compare people to the Nazis, I'd like that comparison to have some validity.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 6):
To feel so superior and smug, it really is quite a good feeling.

Where are you getting that from?

Just because I feel Williams is displaying huge amounts of ignorance here doesn't mean I think anyone of the Dem persuasion can't/won't do the same.

Feel free to call out any ignorant behavior from either side that you feel like commenting on, that's what a discussion forum is for.

[Edited 2012-09-04 10:29:49]


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 4):
On the other hand, if he had made his own, half the folks here would say things like "shouldn't the leader of the free world be doing more important things?".

At this point in his administration, I would rather that he sat in the White House basement perfecting his recipe than just about anything else he's doing.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 5):
I heard that they also got a little spooked by these mysterious objects at the end of the field:

I'm gonna save that one for mid-season.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
Yeah, but when you drop Goebbels' name, it's pretty clear what your broader point is. There are ways to say the same thing without using Nazi connotations.

Baghdad Bob?.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12360 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12):
At this point in his administration, I would rather that he sat in the White House basement perfecting his recipe than just about anything else he's doing.

Don't worry, the "Party of No" has got your back...



Inspiration, move me brightly!
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Hank Williams: Are You Ready For Some Ignorance?  

Wow, I answered "Yes" to your question, but I'll admit, that kinda blew me away... I find it bad that this isn't coming from a random cultist weirdo but a big celebrity... what are the ramifications (or lack of them) gonna be? Unbelievable...



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8062 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Nowhere else in the world is political debate at the level it is in the US. And especially from the Republicans - the way they take things and spin it, eg "You didn't build that" and now this Goebbels business - that quote is always attributed to Goebbels - nowhere does John Burton say Ryan is like a Nazi or even like Goebbels, merely pointing out Goebbels truism - "The bigger the lie, the more it will be believed" - is alive and well. But in the hands of Republican spin doctors, this is the same as calling Ryan an actual Nazi, and hence analogous to the ghastly Hank Williams Jr saying Obama is a Muslim (which he did in fact say).

This madness that has taken over America is so ruinous to America's standing in the world. British, Colombian, Kiwi, Japanese, Turkish, Chilean etc etc political discourse is not like this. "I disagree with my opponent" - yes. "My opponent is a bigger threat to this country than Nazi Germany or the USSR under Stalin" - no (thank you Newt Gingrich - the "intellectual" of the Republican party, a great thinker, or so I repeatedly read). Everyone in the world is watching this catastrophe. And they can't believe what they're hearing / seeing.

And I might add that evolution, climate science, socialised medicine are settled issues outside Saudi / Pakistan / Congo, gay rights too. Come on Republicans, time to join the 19th century, don't you think?

[Edited 2012-09-04 15:21:06]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
And especially from the Republicans
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
But in the hands of Republican spin doctors
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Come on Republicans, time to join the 19th century

To be fair, I wouldn't really consider Hank Williams a prominent Republican leader, but yeah, the GOP has really been pissing me off lately. I've even seen a great deal of conservatives/right-of-center folks pissed off at the party



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3880 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 13):
Baghdad Bob?.

One of the people I was thinking of, yes.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

I just wanted to take this opportunity to say "screw you" to every single one of you for your lewd and unnecessary comments!

GO COWBOYS!!!!!

  

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 19):
I just wanted to take this opportunity to say "screw you" to every single one of you for your lewd and unnecessary comments!

GO COWBOYS!!!!!

  

Cheers,
Cameron

Bahahahaha close the dome already, we're tired of the smell!

 


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 2):
Sounds like average Republican to me.


Not sure if this is sarcasm or not. If not, well so be it. I find Democrats very closed minded in many of their views.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 5):
I heard that they also got a little spooked by these mysterious objects at the end of the field:


           

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
To be fair, I wouldn't really consider Hank Williams a prominent Republican leader, but yeah, the GOP


Exactly. Why is this even news? He can see whatever in the world he wants to say as long as it puts no one in danger and does not threaten anyone. Who cares what a guy that 95% of Americans who know him only know him for one Monday night theme song says.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
and spin it, eg "You didn't build that"


Would not say that one is was spun much. Unfortunately politics in the U.S. sometimes is a circus show.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
I've even seen a great deal of conservatives/right-of-center folks pissed off at the party


I consider myself right of center and I do hate a lot of the garbage that the GOP talks about. I also hate a lot of the garbage the Dems put out. But President Obama is so far away from center I say use everything possible to get him out of here if possible.



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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6306 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 2):
Sounds like average Republican to me.

Not quite. The average Republican is just a normal person. It's the extremists that makes the news, and make people think they are the "average".

Same goes for Dems as well. The extremists make the news.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3579 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 11):
Just because I feel Williams is displaying huge amounts of ignorance here doesn't mean I think anyone of the Dem persuasion can't/won't do the same.

And yet you start a thread about it the same day the leader of the largest state Democratic party is doing pretty much the same thing. Who cares about a singer? All these spouting entertainers are idi*ts and most of them are liberal.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 16):
Nowhere else in the world is political debate at the level it is in the US.

Utter nonsense. Rhetoric no better than the OP's example.
In other parts of the world they fist fight in parliament, they kill each other and fight wars over politics.

[Edited 2012-09-04 17:31:35]

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5438 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12):
At this point in his administration, I would rather that he sat in the White House basement perfecting his recipe than just about anything else he's doing.

Exactly what has he been doing that is so horrible that Congress has not had the actual control of? The only two things I can think of are the Justice Department "policy implementation" for certain illegals, and the entire Holder issue. But those don't encompass the "everything" you are implying with your comment. Neither are particularly worse that what many other Presidents have had during their tenures.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17):
To be fair, I wouldn't really consider Hank Williams a prominent Republican leader, but yeah, the GOP has really been pissing me off lately. I've even seen a great deal of conservatives/right-of-center folks pissed off at the party.

It's the hyperbole, the "I don't smell my own crap and won't admit it smells" ignoring of problems, failures, and issues within the Republican party itself that really bothers me. I mean seriously take the log out of your own eye before you point out the log in the other persons eye. And allow for compromise, especially since you will need it from the opposing party in order to do anything productive.

Although the Presidency is seen as the penultimate office to win, you do as much for the nation within the Congress as anywhere else. In my opinion that is where the real problem has been the past ten or so years far more than the White House. Fix that, get that working and you can really benefit the country.

Tugg



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25 aa757first : Unfortunately, this is the thing that gets people riled up these days. No one wants to watch an hour long interview with two college professors who us
26 LMP737 : Someone should replace the word Muslim and replace it with Jew then read it back to Mr. Williams and ask him how it sounds.
27 DeltaMD90 : Sadly, if it isn't replaced with "Christian" I'm sure a lot of people would feel the same way! But I agree, it looks like Muslims are the new Jews an
28 Revelation : The way free speech works is that he's free to say whatever he wants to say, and I'm free to comment on what he said. Personally I find his ignorance
29 us330 : In other words, a celebrity not famous for their intellect, smarts, or intelligence says something really stupid and/or ignorant. This is a big deal
30 Revelation : Given that Romney likes to egg on birthers by telling birther jokes, it's pretty hard to find that line between intelligence and ignorance.
31 DeltaMD90 : That was a harmless joke... didn't President Obama himself make a joke about his birth certificate a few months ago? I don't believe Romney has made
32 Revelation : Yes, it was a joke, but given the context of this discussion, my question is: was it intelligent or ignorant to tell that kind of joke? Put another w
33 mham001 : If you don't know what I'm talking about then you are as uninformed as your target is ignorant. If we all started threads when an entertainer said so
34 DeltaMD90 : well point taken, but I'd see that more as a poke at Mormons, whereas (at least in my eyes) I saw Romney making fun of the BIRTHERS. Either way, I do
35 Revelation : Ok, now you're the "Thread Police"? Ok, now a.net members have an "Equal Time Requirement"? If you want to bring something up, go ahead. If I want to
36 GDB : No doubt some of them are. That's not the point is it? The rest of the world do not look on in disbelief, or take any notice of, the expected ebb and
37 charlienorth : Very tolerant and non judgemental doncha think?
38 LMP737 : The republican party over the past twenty years or so has been gradually going off the reservation as the saying goes here. More than a few old schoo
39 2707200X : Hank Williams Jr. statement about Obama hating "cowboys/cowgirls fishing farming" kind of reminds me of Glenn Becks statement on Obama having a "deep-
40 AM744 : I have to agree with this. I've heard and read this infamous quote in a wide array of contexts.
41 Post contains links Revelation : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie says it probably originates in Hitler's Mein Kampf but was adopted by Goebbels:
42 Post contains images ER757 : I believe ol' Bosephus mis-understood. Obama hates THE Cowboys - he's a Bears fan after all.
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