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Canada Shuts Down Iran Embassy Boots Diplomats  
User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19522744
This seems sudden, almost out of no where. Surprised this was not reported on more widely? Will this mean that Canada will have absolutely no diplomatic relations with them? First the UK closes now Canada, pressure from the US maybe


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User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

Probably more to do with this http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Iranian embassy recruiting expats/6908143/story.html than anything else. But a long list of ongoing greivences


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4765 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
This seems sudden, almost out of no where.

I beg to differ. Canada and Iran have had an increasingly rocky relationship for the past 10 years (escalating heavily with the Zarah Kazemi fiasco). As Iran makes no effort to stop pissing off the rest of the world, this was inevitable.

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Canada will have absolutely no diplomatic relations with them?

Correct.

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
pressure from the US maybe

It's possible, but I'm without doubt that the decision was made on our own accord. Canada obviously stands by the US in their concern over Iran's nuclear program and blatant disregard for human rights, but this decision was not to appease them.



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

My view: Very good choice on taking a stance on such an evil regime, I support it 100%

Reality, it probably means nothing to them as we have no diplomatic relationships period! Sure PR wise they say it was racist and unprofessional and yah there are risks for making such a move, maybe we've now become an official enemy to that regime.
The closest of diplomacy was dual citizen travel and bank assets. We can barely be able to ensure safety to some of the dual citizens who travel back and forth without being kidnapped and charged for spying.
Part of this sensationalism is the media trying to make up this situation more than it really is by doing debates with all these experts and panels and to put words in their mouths trying to suggest that we could be in big trouble, or we will support military action so therefore the media need to chill out. They are nosing in on matters which are not of their business or right to know and has to adhere to a fine line in journalism or else may as well bring back censorship.

Iran allies might not be impressed with Canada's recent stance as well and there could be some consequences there, but it had to be done. We did it to Syria recently and of course the DPRK, there was no embassy in the first place.
It just reinforces to the world that these countries are the punks on the block and everybody else should beware of them.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 3):
My view: Very good choice on taking a stance on such an evil regime, I support it 100%

It is a stupid move. The worse the relation the more important to have communication channels. There are many ways to show displeasure but closing a communication channel when there are problems is always a bad move.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8725 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Thread starter):
Will this mean that Canada will have absolutely no diplomatic relations with them?
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
Correct.

You don't have to have an embassy or consulate to have diplomatic relations. "Interest sections" have a long history: http://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/reps/asia/virn/fosteh.html and something similar may be set up in Ottawa and Tehran, respectively.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 4):
It is a stupid move. The worse the relation the more important to have communication channels. There are many ways to show displeasure but closing a communication channel when there are problems is always a bad move.

John Baird mentioned the diplomats' safety as a main concern. If it is felt that Canadians serving in Iran are in danger, then there is nothing stupid about removing them.

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
You don't have to have an embassy or consulate to have diplomatic relations. "Interest sections" have a long history

Interest sections do not promote diplomatic relations, they serve only to accommodate citizens from countries who do not have any degree of relations with said country. It's essentially a consulate through a third-party, but there are still no diplomatic relations.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4609 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 2):
As Iran makes no effort to stop pissing off the rest of the world

Correction Israel, USA, Britian and a few other Euro states plus maybe Australia, New Zealand, all said basically the western white world, no one else cares.


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Correction Israel, USA, Britian and a few other Euro states plus maybe Australia, New Zealand, all said basically the western white world, no one else cares.

Saudi Arabia and their "cut the head off the snake" memo wave hello.
India voted twice against Iran in IAEA votes.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Really Saudi I'm not surprised Arab/Persian historic complex/poewer struggle issues, infasct I really do not respect Gulf Arab states due to this attitude of theirs, India has to please some despite their growing might you can guess who, but then again their PM went to the NAM summit in Tehran with a 744 load entourage and an A321 in tow with media, a second 744 was to go along but didnt due to crew shortage according a poster in civil av, so again diplomacy being played out at its best.

Any case they are not rest of the world, or does rest of the world only means a handful of high profile nations while others are insignificant?


User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Well which is it..."rest of the world"

Quoting 777way (Reply 9):
Any case they are not rest of the world, or does rest of the world only means a handful of high profile nations while others are insignificant?

or...

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
no one else cares.

Do please make up your mind.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4562 times:

Mind made up no confusion, that way you can also add Russia, China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan maybe Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan too, but really do they care deep down?

User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 6):
John Baird mentioned the diplomats' safety as a main concern. If it is felt that Canadians serving in Iran are in danger, then there is nothing stupid about removing them.

Perfectly fine to remove them for safety but that doesn't mean you must shut down the embassy.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4439 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
basically the western white world

There are countries in Africa that have cut diplomatic ties with Iran as well. Let's not turn this into a race thing.

Quoting cmf (Reply 12):
Perfectly fine to remove them for safety but that doesn't mean you must shut down the embassy.

As a Canadian taxpayer, I don't want to be paying to run an empty embassy in a country that we have no desire to have ties with. If the government then determines that Iran has become a less dangerous place for Canadians, then I fully support re-opening the embassy.



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

^ Amen to that. I only stand on such a position because of their current behavior on the world stage by the Iranian regime.
If they smarten up and start making positive improvements to the global community including Canada, (yes communication too) then I would take it back and reopen the embassy there.

However all bets is that is not going to happen, and really they couldn't care less and so do we. That regime is no better than that of Syria and North Korea, some of the most isolated countries in the world. Why should we waste additional resources trying to befriend and dialogue with one that will simply not listen or comply or even assist us when some of our own citizens are trapped and sentenced in their courts. An embassy or consulate office would assist in these matters but the persian red tape prevented this despite efforts made there and even all the way from Ottawa.

Here are some news articles posted by FARS accounting their take on the matter.
You can make your own conclusions to see which side you support.

http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106062578
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=9106062960



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4337 times:

Ah Canada, the trusty sidekick.....
Who cares?? I mean look at all the videos on youtube of Stephen Harper wearing a Yamaka.

Besides I think we all know who's truly behind this...



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 15):
I mean look at all the videos on youtube of Stephen Harper wearing a Yamaka.

I don't know what you're implying, but if you Google it you will find pictures of several of your Presidents wearing kippahs.

Plus, it's just common respect to don a kippah when entering a synagogue or temple.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Besides I think we all know who's truly behind this...

Gary Bettman?!



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
I don't know what you're implying, but if you Google it you will find pictures of several of your Presidents wearing kippahs.

That's precisely my point

I urge Canada to truly have an independent foreign policy one that serves Canada's interests...not to be sidekicks



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6854 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Quoting cmf (Reply 4):
It is a stupid move. The worse the relation the more important to have communication channels. There are many ways to show displeasure but closing a communication channel when there are problems is always a bad move.

There is no point in trying to communicate or negotiate with people who are, well, in a word--crazy.


User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 17):
I urge Canada to truly have an independent foreign policy one that serves Canada's interests...not to be sidekicks

I believe they already do.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 15):
Besides I think we all know who's truly behind this...

No we don't. Why don't you fill us in on the secret.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5842 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4273 times:

Quite obviously US and Israe coaxingl, they wont say it openly nor will Canada admit it.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 17):
I urge Canada to truly have an independent foreign policy one that serves Canada's interests

Canada, as the most multicultural country in the world, has as much an independent foreign policy as anyone. We only seem to do as the US does because they are our strongest trading partner. But Canada doesn't do everything the US does as you so imply.

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Quite obviously US and Israe coaxingl, they wont say it openly nor will Canada admit it.

Canada is pro-Israel, and maintains a positive relationship with Israel, but Israel certainly does not have the same pull in Canada as they do in the US, I can guarantee that.



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 4215 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 18):
There is no point in trying to communicate or negotiate with people who are, well, in a word--crazy

If you want to keep the problems around forever there isn't. If you want to find a solution there is no other way.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Quite obviously US and Israe coaxingl, they wont say it openly nor will Canada admit it.

Thank you! Someone gets it

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 19):

No we don't. Why don't you fill us in on the secret.

No



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9525 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week ago) and read 4144 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):
Correction Israel, USA, Britian and a few other Euro states plus maybe Australia, New Zealand, all said basically the western white world, no one else cares.

wrong, Pakistani firms comply with UN sanctions, at least when they have business interest with the so called "white world", better the democratic part of the world.

Except Dr.. Khan and the likes who supported the nuclear program of Iran.



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25 LMP737 : No? That's not really an answer, more like deflection.
26 Post contains images WestJet747 : That's a fair point. But given the context of this thread, the cost of continuing the communication was too great. Of course it will be re-evaluated
27 DeltaMD90 : I'm sure the US put some pressure on Canada, but would they really have the power to coerce Canada into doing this like some here are posting? I know
28 777way : Pissing of the world is what he said to which I answered, Pakistan like other nations has to be diplomatic therefore the UN thingy, but its not pisse
29 PanHAM : No, but the world would be a much better place if individual basic human rights are accepted as the standard in every country. Looking TV these days
30 777way : I agree with you completely on this, those were the days, the restrictions and worries related simply to travelling nowadays have become too much.
31 thegreatRDU : Forgot about this post... I didn't say that but c'mon getting out of Iran on human rights grounds? Harper and Baird are stooges
32 TheCol : You obviously ignored the laundry list of reasons why the Canadian embassy was closed. I'm a taxpayer, and I don't take kindly to paying a bunch of r
33 mariner : Cuba? mariner
34 WestJet747 : You didn't read the brief did you? Compared to who? Most politicians are stooges, so you aren't saying much. Exactly! Thank you for echoing my sentim
35 Post contains links czbbflier : A couple of minor points here... It seems the debate is being formulated around Canada following some sort of pressure of the United States and its ne
36 slider : Sure there is. Eliminate them. Do me a favor--swap out the name Ahmadinejad for any dictator or ruthless despot in history and re-read the statement.
37 DeltaMD90 : Ok... swapping Ahmadinehad with Saddam Hussein... ...yikes that didn't turn out so well!
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