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Grade Romney And President Obama  
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

As if we didn't have enough US political threads... Anyway, the "Should Obama be reelected" got turned into a partisan fight but I really wanted to get detailed opinions. If I say "should Romney or the President win in 2012" I'll get a very simplistic answer that is often "well I hate _______ so I'll vote for _______."

So I wanted to see the honest opinions of everyone. On a grade scale of A - F, how do you rate the candidates? It's obviously a little hard since the President has 4 years and Romney 0, but whatever.

President Obama--
Foreign Policy:
Foreign Relations:
Handling of Wars:
Personal Freedoms:
Social Issues:
Drug Policy:
Handling of the Economy:
Jobs:
Taxes:
Energy:
Promises (if they're BS or not):
Healthcare:
Handling of Congress:
Bipartisanship:
Transparency:

Romney--
Foreign Policy:
Foreign Relations:
Handling of Wars:
Personal Freedoms:
Social Issues:
Drug Policy:
Handling of the Economy:
Jobs:
Taxes:
Energy:
Promises (if they're BS or not):
Healthcare:
Handling of Congress:
Bipartisanship:
Transparency:


Please limit comparing the candidates, I want people to focus on the individuals themselves. And please be honest... if you think _____ sucks at taxes but are still voting for them, give them a D or F. I'm kinda interested in what some posters say... I already know who is voting for who, but I'm not too sure how much they dislike their candidate or like the other candidate. Oh, feel free to add categories  Smile

[Edited 2012-09-08 13:28:04]


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

I'd rather not rate the President, as I'm not really in the position to really critique the Commander in Chief (my boss) so I'll only rate Romney:

Romney--
Foreign Policy: D - I can really see him starting another war
Foreign Relations: B - He got a bad rap overseas but I think it was really blown out of proportion
Handling of Wars: D - Doesn't seem to have a clear strategy (of either withdrawing or winning decisively and getting out)
Personal Freedoms: D - not against the Patriot Act, TSA, etc
Social Issues: C - Against gay marriage but against abortion (which I am against)
Drug Policy: F - We really need to end or heavily modify the war on drugs
Handling of the Economy: D - Is a businessman, probably knows his stuff, but what are your plans!?
Jobs: D - What is your plan, sir!?
Taxes: C - I'm generally for lower taxes, but I think they're focusing way too much on upper income tax
Energy: C - Don't see anything innovative, might drill more over here (I think that's a good SHORT term strategy)
Promises (if they're BS or not): D - Promises he'll save us, but how?
Healthcare: D - ok, repeal ACA... and...?
Handling of Congress: can't really say
Bipartisanship: C - I've seen worse
Transparency: F - not giving us any details of plans, not releasing tax returns (which believe it or not I'm FOR but I'm not making a big deal about it because it's very low on my list of importance)



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8228 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: A
Foreign Relations: A
Handling of Wars: A+
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: A
Drug Policy: C
Handling of the Economy: B
Jobs: C+
Taxes: B
Energy: C+
Promises (if they're BS or not): A
Healthcare: A
Handling of Congress: C
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: A

Romney--
Foreign Policy: C-
Foreign Relations: D
Handling of Wars: F
Personal Freedoms: C-
Social Issues: D
Drug Policy: D
Handling of the Economy: F
Jobs: F
Taxes: F
Energy: B
Promises (if they're BS or not): F
Healthcare: F
Handling of Congress: C
Bipartisanship: F
Transparency: F-

A lot of the grading I gave Romney was based on his deflection of specific questions. If he cannot answer specific questions until after he takes office he gets an "F" in my books.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Well it isn't exactly fair to grade someone for something they have not done yet, I guess for Romney it will be a prediction/plan grade?

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: B+
Foreign Relations: B-
Handling of Wars: B
Personal Freedoms: C (nothing has changed government getting bigger)
Social Issues: C+ not sure how much I believe hiayah out gay marriage, and abortion I am not for in most cases. Also this is not an issue the president should deal with anyway, either of them.
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: D+
Jobs: C-
Taxes: C
Energy: B
Promises (if they're BS or not): D
Healthcare: C, Obamacare has some great stuff but it also has some horrible stuff.
Handling of Congress: F-
Bipartisanship: F
Transparency: C given this was a big promise of his, haven't seen much change.

Romney--
Foreign Policy: C
Foreign Relations: B-
Handling of Wars: C+
Personal Freedoms: C
Social Issues: C
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: B+
Jobs: B+
Taxes: A
Energy: A
Promises (if they're BS or not):
Healthcare: C
Handling of Congress: B
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: D

We forgot education for the grades. Since Mass has some great schools and the U.S. overall right now sucks i will give Mitt a B and Obama a C+



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User currently offlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3662 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
Romney--
Energy: B
Quoting flymia (Reply 3):
Romney--
Energy: A

I guess I'm curious on what is his energy policy that y'all have it graded high.



The journey of life is not based on the accomplishments, but the experience.
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):

From what I have heard when he speaks. Use EVERYTHING we got from oil to wind. Sounds like a good idea to me. President Obama has done fine too I gave him a B, but the technology and market place for focusing on green energy just isn't there yet, see Solyndra.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
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President Obama--
Foreign Policy: A
Foreign Relations: A
Handling of Wars: B
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: B
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: C
Jobs: C
Taxes: B
Energy: C
Promises (if they're BS or not): B
Healthcare: C
Handling of Congress: C
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: B

I'm judging Romney on what he says he would do. However, like most politicians, I think he says a lot of stuff he doesn't mean to pander to different demographics. I don't think he would do, or would be able to do, a lot of things he says he will do, but in this scenario I'm assuming he would be able to implement all his policies.

Romney--
Foreign Policy: F
Foreign Relations: D
Handling of Wars: F
Personal Freedoms: C
Social Issues: C
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: C
Jobs: D
Taxes: D
Energy: C
Promises (if they're BS or not): C
Healthcare: D
Handling of Congress:
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: F


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39861 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: F
Foreign Relations: F
Handling of Wars: F
Personal Freedoms: F
Social Issues: B
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: F
Jobs: F
Taxes: F
Energy: F
Promises (if they're BS or not): C
Healthcare: D-
Handling of Congress: F
Bipartisanship: F
Transparency: F

Romney--
Foreign Policy: Hasn't held a position yet that deals with this but I'm willing to give him a chance
Foreign Relations: Hasn't held a position yet that deals with this but I'm willing to give him a chance
Handling of Wars: Hasn't held a position yet that deals with this but I'm willing to give him a chance
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: A
Drug Policy: I
Handling of the Economy: A
Jobs: A
Taxes: A
Energy: B
Promises (if they're BS or not): We shall see
Healthcare: C
Handling of Congress: Hasn't held a position yet that deals with this but I'm willing to give him a chance
Bipartisanship: A
Transparency: A



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User currently offlineimiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: D - Longterm, I don't see there being much of a difference, regardless of whether you're red or blue.
Foreign Relations: B - Obama and the US are respected.
Handling of Wars: B - The DoD has been very smart in using it's assets.
Personal Freedoms: B - Ya'll still have your guns right?
Social Issues: C - He gets a pass
Drug Policy: F - Huge fail.
Handling of the Economy: D - Jobs and economy go hand in hand. However, his handling of GM was a brave move.
Jobs: D
Taxes: E - My very republican uncle in Austin has never been better off!
Energy: D - More nuclear and less oil please.
Promises (if they're BS or not): D - A lot of mouth but little action.
Healthcare: C - It's an issue that needs addressing. His reforms don't go far enough however.
Handling of Congress: D - Viewed as a bit of a pushover.
Bipartisanship: C
Transparency: C

Romney--
Foreign Policy: D - As above
Foreign Relations: E - Comes across as quite arrogant.
Handling of Wars: E - He was pro-Iraq. Enough said.
Personal Freedoms: B
Social Issues: D- Republican politicians become quite jittery on contemporary issues.
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: D - The global economy is slowly moving in the right direction.
Jobs: D
Taxes: D - His tax plan is a little vague and the little he has mentioned doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Energy: D - As above
Promises (if they're BS or not): D
Healthcare: D - Same as most republicans. Altruism should be introduced into their vocabulary.
Handling of Congress: C
Bipartisanship: D
Transparency: C

So apart from diplomacy and healthcare (and possibly taxes), I don't see much difference.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4590 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

President Obama--

Foreign Policy: C:
Foreign Relations: B
Handling of Wars: B: we are out of Iraq, and on the way out of Afghanistan, plus he got Osama, and countless #2's
Personal Freedoms: C: Still allowing Patriot Ac
Social Issues: B:
Drug Policy: C:
Handling of the Economy: B; I think he has done what he could when he could do it for the economy. There is just too much damage and fallout nationwide and now worldwide to make it any faster.
Jobs: B: This is a rating on effort, not results based on the above.
Taxes: B: He is being thwarted by Congress on raising taxes where they need to be raised.
Energy: B: Power is being used from all available sources, with respect to the environmental concerns
Promises (if they're BS or not): C. He has delivered a lot more than most politicians.
Healthcare: B. There are thinks not too like about Obamacare, but it is at least a plan that is implemnted.
Handling of Congress: B:

Bipartisanship: B: he has done what he can, however when you have Joe " You Lie" wilson and Todd "legitamate rape" Akin as opposition, you are going to have problems being able to reason with such people.
Transparency: Al He has stated his goals and positions well.

Romney--

Foreign Policy: Unknown, but his rattling about Iran makes me think we will be on another WMD hunt.
Foreign Relations: D: Quite a few Gaffs the last year
Handling of Wars: Unknown:
Personal Freedoms: C:
Social Issues: F: Supports Right wing politics, or not depending on what has really changed since he was a governor.
Drug Policy: D:
Handling of the Economy: D: I don't think he has a handle on the global challenges of today. He was Governor during a good economy, and he was at Bain during the good years.
Jobs: C: I think he knows how to allocate resources, but I do not think he knows how to create jobs.
Taxes: D: Too much of his tax plan depends on magical pixie dust that he won't divulge to make it a workable plan.
Energy: C: All about drilling, without much thought on the environment, and too much lip service to coal.
Promises (if they're BS or not): Unknown, but based on taxes, I wouldn't expect much
Healthcare: D: Kinda hard here as Obamacare is basically his baby, but the GOP doesn't want it .
Handling of Congress: Unknown.
Bipartisanship: C:
Transparency: Unknown.



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User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3858 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: B
Foreign Relations: C+
Handling of Wars: C-
Personal Freedoms: D
Social Issues: B
Drug Policy: not sure
Handling of the Economy: D
Jobs: D
Taxes: D
Energy: C-
Promises (if they're BS or not): F
Healthcare: D+
Handling of Congress: D
Bipartisanship: D
Transparency: D+

Romney--
Foreign Policy: C
Foreign Relations: C
Handling of Wars: B
Personal Freedoms: C
Social Issues: D
Drug Policy: not sure
Handling of the Economy: B+
Jobs: B+
Taxes: C
Energy: C
Promises (if they're BS or not): B-
Healthcare: B-
Handling of Congress: B
Bipartisanship: B+
Transparency: B



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2788 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3858 times:
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I'm going to try to be as objective as I can be. Should be easy since I don't like either of them.
President Obama--
Foreign Policy:C
Foreign Relations:D
Handling of Wars:B
Personal Freedoms:D
Social Issues:F
Drug Policy:A
Handling of the Economy:F
Jobs:D
Taxes:F
Energy:F
Promises (if they're BS or not):B (don't like Obamacare but he passed it. Did a great job with DADT as well)
Healthcare:F
Handling of Congress:F (he had a Dem congress for two years! Should pushed everything he wanted through then!)
Bipartisanship:F (They like to point out Reps aren't bipartisan but it goes both ways)
Transparency:D

Romney--
Foreign Policy:D
Foreign Relations:This I'm not too sure about.
Handling of Wars:D, not sure what he plans to do
Personal Freedoms:D, he scares me
Social Issues:F. His views on gay marriage sicken me
Drug Policy:A
Handling of the Economy:B (I think he has potential for an A, but he has to earn it if Pres)
Jobs:B (same as above)
Taxes: A
Energy: B. I think he isn't going to place all his eggs in one basket, which I like
Promises (if they're BS or not): B
Healthcare: Not sure
Handling of Congress: Can't tell. But if he has a republican congress it shouldn't be too hard.
Bipartisanship:F (again it goes both ways)
Transparency:D
Both have similar flaws. The problem is they're both on too far ends of the spectrum. Come more to the middle and work with the other side. For the love of God.
Blue



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User currently onlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8228 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 4):
I guess I'm curious on what is his energy policy that y'all have it graded high.

I gave Romney a B as I don't believe he will be bad for the oil companies. Alternative energy will take a hit (the reason for downgrading him) as will the ecology side of drilling. I believe, however, that the markets will cover over a lot of problems in this area.

The only problem I see here is if the ME puts very heavy pressure on Romney, causing an Etch-A-Sketch moment in his foreign policy. I can see him very weak at times like this, especially if he has hard right nuts like Bolton advising him.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3818 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 12):

I don't think Romney could even be as bad on a foreign level as GWB even if he tried. At least he doesn't screw up when he speaks. He sounds good.

But he won't be as good as say Clinton, Nixon, or Reagan either.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 930 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):

Im quite curious why you gave Obama F's across the board...

I usually stay quiet on the political stuff on here but I will give this a shot..

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: A
Foreign Relations: A
Handling of Wars: B
Personal Freedoms: B
Social Issues: C
Drug Policy: A
Handling of the Economy: B
Jobs: C
Taxes: C
Energy: B
Promises (if they're BS or not): B
Healthcare: A
Handling of Congress: F (it is their fault as well)
Bipartisanship: C
Transparency: B

Romney--
Foreign Policy: F
Foreign Relations: F
Handling of Wars: F
Personal Freedoms: C
Social Issues: F
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: B
Jobs: C
Taxes: F
Energy: C
Promises (if they're BS or not): C
Healthcare: C
Handling of Congress: B
Bipartisanship: C
Transparency: D

[Edited 2012-09-11 15:50:27]


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User currently offlineAvObserver From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 2472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

I so seldom frequent this forum anymore due to fatigue and diminished interest but here's my take with no disrespect intended for any who disagree.

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: D-
Foreign Relations: C
Handling of Wars: C-
Personal Freedoms: C
Social Issues: B-
Drug Policy: C
Handling of the Economy: F
Jobs: F
Taxes: D+
Energy: D-
Promises (if they're BS or not): D at best
Healthcare: D-
Handling of Congress: D
Bipartisanship: F+
Transparency: F-

Romney-- can't truly rate as above since he's not yet been good at specifics.
Foreign Policy: ? but expect better than Obama, likely less conciliatory to Russia, China, Iran and even the U.N.
Foreign Relations: better at least with Israel.
Handling of Wars: not sure but expect no worse; will do more to stave off military cuts.
Personal Freedoms: wild card overall but better on 2nd Amendment
Social Issues: toss up depending on what you value.
Drug Policy: no worse than now.
Handling of the Economy: expect far better since it's obvious to me by now that wasn't Obama's main priority.
Jobs: expect far better since that was also not one of Obama's main goals.
Taxes: will have to raise some but not as much as Obama and will do far more to reign in spending, overall.
Energy: expect vastly better since Obama is hostile to mostly all but so-called "green" energy.
Promises (if they're BS or not): expect a C.
Healthcare: expect at least a B-; private sector alternatives to ObamaCare, which I oppose.
Handling of Congress: expect better than Obama, who has shown poor leadership and blatant party partisanship.
Bipartisanship: expect somewhat better than Obama who often locked the GOP out of WH meetings in his 1st 2 years.
Transparency: Can't be any worse than Obama who promised it then conducted most of his policy business in backroom meetings.

No grade was offered on illegal immigration but while the Obama Administration often claims record deportation of illegal aliens, they've also weakened areas of enforcement, cutting 287(g) agreements with states, counties and municipalities and suing to stop states who try to enforce federal laws that the federal government won't. Holder's DOJ has also gone after states trying to implement voter ID laws to stop illegal aliens from voting, a problem in California and other states with large illegal populations. This is why I no longer trust most Democrats, who seem to value the illegal population as their party's future, over their obligation to ensure the safety and prosperity of the American people.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: C+
Foreign Relations: B-
Handling of Wars: B-
Personal Freedoms: D
Social Issues: B
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: D+
Jobs: C-
Taxes: C
Energy: B
Promises: F
Healthcare: C
Handling of Congress: F-
Bipartisanship: C
Transparency: C

The thing about Romney is his flip flopping is ridiculous you can play clip after clip of him contradicting himself...
Romney--
Foreign Policy: D
Foreign Relations: C-
Handling of Wars: D+
Personal Freedoms: F
Social Issues: F
Drug Policy: F
Handling of the Economy: C+
Jobs: C+
Taxes: B
Energy: B
Promises: D
Healthcare: F
Handling of Congress: C
Bipartisanship: C
Transparency: D



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User currently offlinepu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 697 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

My peception in Europe is I think that many non Americans would grade as follows

Foreign policy
Obama A+....Seen positive by every nation except perhaps Israel, listens more than demands
Romney D....wants to kick some Muslims around more to satiate redneck egos, not interested in working with Europe, makes demands but doesn't want to listen, foreign policy written by oil companies

Foreign Relations
Obama A- (Has an appealing attitude to non Americans, but not executed perfectly)
Romney C (He has threatened a few countries already and insulted some allies, but force gains respect in some quarters)

Handling of Wars
Obama C ... Dragging on way too long, destiny in Iraq/Afghanistan was decided before he took office anyway
Romney ? ... Unknown what he has said about this? Most Europeans are wondering why America would consider ANY wars unless it was directly attacked, given its domestic situation, especially financial.

...all other areas not enough info or interest to comment on, speaking from a general European perspective...

Pu


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11598 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

These are all silly questions. The only thing the president can really do is foreign relations. Congress spends money. For the past two years, it has been the right-wing in control of the purse strings. Job creation? A combination of private sector and Congress. That means the right-wing makes policy.

The two things we can really grade both candidates on are foreign policy and transparency. Obama: B for foreign policy and C for transparency. Romney D for foreign policy (wants to start a war with Iran) and F for transparency (if he has nothing to hide, release his tax returns).



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting pu (Reply 17):
/Romney ? ... Unknown what he has said about this? Most Europeans are wondering why America would consider ANY wars unless it was directly attacked, given its domestic situation, especially financial.

I understand where you are coming from but let's look at this realisticly. If the U.S. truly did only attack when directly attacked this world would be a much different place both historically and even taking away history, it would be different right now. One of the biggest if not the biggest reason this world runs somewhat smoothly is the threat of U.S. military force. This isn't America is #1 thinking at all, this is just a realistic look into international affairs.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1949 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 14):

I'm quite curious why you gave Obama F's across the board...

There are about 600 threads where you can read at length about his hatred for Obama (he's a "Muslim" and all...)

But I am genuinely curious about this:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
President Obama--
Personal Freedoms: F
Social Issues: B
Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Romney--
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: A

I knew you had gone from liberal to what I would consider extreme right on foreign policy, religious tolerance, etc. but does this mean you have also now become anti-Gay-marriage, anti-Abortion, etc.? Or are you interpreting these questions differently (especially Social Issues)?

Anyway, FWIW, here are mine:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: B- (Made a lot of good moves, but wussed out on putting pressure on Israel and other substantive changes. Arab spring forced many quick decisions in a changing landscape. On that one, I think he has overall done very well. Right tone with Russia, I think. Relations with China are challenging...)
Foreign Relations: B (Intelligent and thoughtful. Gained back respect for the US among many of our allies. Apparently lacks personal rapport with many leaders...but appointed Hillary Clinton who has done a great job overall. )
Handling of Wars: B- (Trying his best, learning as he goes. But Guantanamo is still open. Drone attacks are morally questionable, though better than invading places)
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: A-
Drug Policy: D-
Handling of the Economy: C (sometimes too hands on--some stimulus money probably a total waste; at other times in Wall Street's pocket. Not saying I could have done better, but...)
Jobs: C
Taxes: B- (should have taken a stand early to repeal the GWB tax cuts)
Energy: B (too soft on the Energy lobby; much much better than the alternatives though)
Promises (if they're BS or not): B (not bad for a politician. He usually tries to follow through at least)
Healthcare: B (flawed, but did something that brought many others down before him)
Handling of Congress: C (Needed to get his own party on board and organized while he had the chance...)
Bipartisanship: B (He really tried, in fact he sometimes tried too hard and was too conciliatory toward people whose viewpoints were simply so diametrically opposed that there was no point in trying to reach a middle ground.
Transparency: F (Actually worse than Bush on persecuting whistle-blowers, secrecy at home and abroad)

Romney--
Foreign Policy: F (Will probably start World War III if he handles Iran as disastrously as I would expect. Will further enflame the Middle East through neo-con posturing in any case. Will lead to deterioration of relationship with Russia too. Not sure about China.)
Foreign Relations: C- (Gaffe-prone and culturally insensitive, but probably not a total disaster)
Handling of Wars: F (Iran?)
Personal Freedoms: D
Social Issues: D
Drug Policy: D- (will be same as now)
Handling of the Economy: C (Wall Street will react well, but improvements will mainly be on surface as infrastructure gets worse)
Jobs: C (trickle down doesn't work)
Taxes: F (will widen wealth gap further, and create larger deficits)
Energy: F (Will screw the planet and the local environment to make his donors rich)
Promises (if they're BS or not): B (Seems earnest enough. Of course, he is also promising different things to different people...but again, all politicians do)
Healthcare: D (Is now staunchly against his own former policies. Will cave to the extremists on many points here.)
Handling of Congress: B+ (Why not)
Bipartisanship: C+ (Far from the most extreme or intransigent in his party.)
Transparency: I have no idea. Can't be worse than now...at least I doubt it.

[Edited 2012-09-25 22:23:22]


It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 20):
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 14):

I'm quite curious why you gave Obama F's across the board...

There are about 600 threads where you can read at length about his hatred for Obama (he's a "Muslim" and all...)

He picked up a rare tropical parasitic infection of the brain in Thailand, and we are all praying for his speedy recovery. Hang in there, buddy!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39861 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 20):
but does this mean you have also now become anti-Gay-marriage, anti-Abortion, etc.?


No, not at all.
I'm pro-choice, support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana and free artistic expression (which includes making a movie).



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1254 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

President Obama--
Foreign Policy: B , he has at least tried to be more democratic than that war criminal before him
Foreign Relations: A
Handling of Wars: B, helping rebels in Libya was right thing to do.
Personal Freedoms: A
Social Issues: A, has tried to make US more equal place.
Drug Policy: B
Handling of the Economy: A
Jobs: A
Taxes: A
Energy: A
Promises (if they're BS or not): B
Healthcare: A
Handling of Congress: B
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: A

Romney--
Foreign Policy: F, Romney probably would love to see Muslim civilians suffer.
Foreign Relations: F, probably as bad as Bush or near.
Handling of Wars: F, best way to handle them is not to start them at all unless absolutely needed
Personal Freedoms: F
Social Issues: F, Republicans do not want better equality and life quality for poor people.
Drug Policy: I have no idea.
Handling of the Economy: F
Jobs: F
Taxes: F
Energy: F
Promises (if they're BS or not): F
Healthcare: F, Republicans want that only for people with money.
Handling of Congress: F
Bipartisanship: F
Transparency: F



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 23):
Handling of Congress: B
Bipartisanship: B
Transparency: A
Quoting pvjin (Reply 23):
Drug Policy: B
Handling of the Economy: A
Jobs: A

Your grades for Obama were very amusing. President Obama himself would not even give himself those grades. Google what he graded himself for how he has done with the economy so far.

You grades for Gov Romney were even more amusing. F across the board! 
Sure are looking at this fairly.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1254 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3249 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 24):

Hah okay I admit I don't know so much about most US interior politics, really just healthcare, social and foreign policies are all I care, and based on them & my general opinion about republicans and stuff that Romney has said I think Obama is way better president than Romney. He seems to actually care about all people equally instead of Romney who simply wants rich people to be able to make even more money, and also he tries to be democratic with foreign policies instead of favoring war like George W Bush did and also Romney would likely do.

[Edited 2012-09-26 07:16:42]

[Edited 2012-09-26 07:17:02]


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3240 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 25):

Hah okay I admit I don't know so much about most US interior politics, really just healthcare, social and foreign policies are all I care, and based on them & my general opinion about republicans and stuff that Romney has said I think Obama is way better president than Romney

Ok well that explains it a bit.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7893 posts, RR: 52
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
These are all silly questions. The only thing the president can really do is foreign relations

You really are minimizing the POTUS' role in American politics. Sure, Congress passes many of what's on the list, but the POTUS provides leadership, direction, should rally those under him. Where do you think the ACA would be without President Obama? He rallied the Democrats and pushed for it. Although he only signed what Congress gave him, he essentially created it.

And I guess you can never blame President Bush for the past economy. He 'made the situation worse with the wars' but everything else he's free from blame, right?

The POTUS is the head of our country and holds an extreme amount of power. He influences far more than just 'foreign relations'

Quoting flymia (Reply 24):
Your grades for Obama were very amusing. President Obama himself would not even give himself those grades. Google what he graded himself for how he has done with the economy so far.

I could be wrong, but listening to many foreigners in other threads, I think they appreciate the different approach he has taken in relation to President Bush. In a vacuum, I do, like you, find it strange some people grade him that high, but I think a lot of it is "A for effort, he does his best, and it's better than before." Could be completely wrong, but I think that's how he's viewed



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