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OH Teen Tweets Obama Assassination Threat  
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3651 times:
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Celebrities aren't the only ones who say stupid things on Twitter:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politi...nation-teenager-investigation.html

Alyssa Douglas, a high school girl from the Clarksville, Ohio, area, about 40 miles northeast of Cincinnati, appears to have sent out a tweet Thursday night, hours before President Barack Obama's convention speech, saying: "Someone needs to assassinate Obama ... like ASAP."

The Secret Service is investigating the posting on Twitter as a potential threat and will report its findings to the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Ohio.

Clinton-Massie School District officials had a meeting with Douglas and her parents Friday morning.


While I don't agree with the President's policies, this girl went WAY, WAY OVER THE LINE here. And she should be held accountable. The "she's just sixteen...give her a break," argument doesn't do much to sway me, either - she wants to talk like an adult, she should be held accountable like one.


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3612 times:
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Legally this will be interesting, The way she worded it, it sounds like she *hopes* someone does it ASAP. She's not expressing the intention of doing it herself, nor is this a specific request to someone to do it.

If they drag this to court, it will be a matter of who has the better lawyer IMO.

Still, people shouldn't be allowed to write things like that.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3592 times:

The trouble is that she merely parroted a sentiment which has been cooked up and progressively escalated by "tea party" followers since Obama's election. There is a whole subculture of actual hatred against the active President far, far beyond any justifiable political boundaries or opposition.

Apart from the sad statement this makes about the greater political culture in the USA and its rampant lack of civility particularly from the right, it is far from the first time that fertile ground has been prepared and the seeds sown for actual terrorist acts to grow out of.

Even in this forum many of the utterly bizarre ideas and outright, disproven lies from this subculture are being propagated in broad daylight. Some people still suffer from the delusion that hate propaganda was somehow "harmless", but by now we all should really know better, shouldn't we?


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5999 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3581 times:

Sounds like the Secret Service are doing their job. Then again, they've already had a face to face meeting with a birther who called for a public beheading of President Obama, so they're probaly used to dealing with the nutters who have internet access.

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
The trouble is that she merely parroted a sentiment which has been cooked up and progressively escalated by "tea party" followers since Obama's election.

Taking the behaviour of some stupid kid and trying to drag in the Tea Party. Good job.




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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
The trouble is that she merely parroted a sentiment which has been cooked up and progressively escalated by "tea party" followers since Obama's election.

Are you for real?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
There is a whole subculture of actual hatred against the active President far, far beyond any justifiable political boundaries or opposition.

And this is unique to Obama or democrats or presidents or to Americans? lol Seriously, thank you for checking in with your blame-the-tea-party-and-crazy-right-wingers point of view.

-Dave



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
Apart from the sad statement this makes about the greater political culture in the USA and its rampant lack of civility particularly from the right
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Taking the behaviour of some stupid kid and trying to drag in the Tea Party. Good job.

The sad thing is that you propbably didn't even get the blatant irony inherent in your post, particularly in view of the bottom-of-the-barrel ad-hominem you couldn't help inserting into it.

You've essentially made my point.

For further illustration (took me only minutes googling "tea party obama" to get swamped with toxic bilge like this):

http://cdn-live2.blackenterprise.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2010/07/slavery.jpg


Common threads across large parts of the "tea party" propaganda:
• Categorically deny that Obama is, in fact, the legitimately elected President of the United States of America.
• Avoid democratic terminology, use military or revolutionary imagery throughout.
• Never acknowledge legitimate differences of opinion; Declare Obama a mortal enemy wherever you can get away with it at all.
• Insinuate that Obama wants to destroy the "white race".

All of it is consistently intended to de-legitimize Obama in absolutely every way (his office, his politics and his person), progressively lowering the threshold for nutjobs prone to actual violence.

Looking from a country which has, in fact, lived through exactly that level of political propaganda right up to its eventual culmination only a few decades ago and which got and actually took to heart a much-needed lesson in political culture during US occupation, it is beyond sad and thoroughly troubling in its implications to see, of all countries, the USA devolving to where we've come from and never want to go back to, for many million reasons.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

I wish i could completely disagree with Klaus here, but I cannot. I really wish I could.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3444 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
For further illustration (took me only minutes googling "tea party obama" to get swamped with toxic bilge like this):

So in your world, anyone who claims to hate the President MUST therefore be a member of the Tea Party?

That's a stretch, even for you Klaus.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
So in your world, anyone who claims to hate the President MUST therefore be a member of the Tea Party?

AND desires to see him murdered?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
So in your world, anyone who claims to hate the President MUST therefore be a member of the Tea Party?

That's a stretch, even for you Klaus.

The so-called "tea party" appears to be the main focal point for people of that mindset, and given that same people tend to repeat a closely correlated set of specific propaganda claims, it is difficult to overlook the obvious connection.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
AND desires to see him murdered?

You cannot aggressively de-legitimize and even de-humanize someone, without any even remote connection painting him as satan, as a re-incarnation of Hitler and other mass-murderers and then turn around and still feign surprise when these carefully and consistently fanned embers eventually and predictably turn into flames.

That simply doesn't fly.

Either you treat other people as human beings – even if as political adversaries if you must – or you treat them as targets to be annihilated. There is no real middle ground here.

So which is it?

Do you dare do declare yourself without equivocation?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):

While I don't agree with the President's policies, this girl went WAY, WAY OVER THE LINE here. And she should be held accountable.

Agreed. Just completely nuts.

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
"she's just sixteen...give her a break,

Exactly, this girl needs to learn a lesson-no matter how much you hate someone, YOU NEVER ever threaten to kill them.

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):

Alyssa Douglas, a high school girl from the Clarksville, Ohio

   damn it! Giving Ohioans like me a bad name

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 1):
Still, people shouldn't be allowed to write things like that.

Be careful with your wording, because the first amendment obviously keeps speech protected here. Of course there's this where people are threatening others, and that's unacceptable.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Taking the behaviour of some stupid kid and trying to drag in the Tea Party. Good job.

   Agreed. I'm sure the libs in the media will be all over this.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10026 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3364 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):

Come on Klaus....I'm no fan of the tea party, but you've gotta know that posts like yours don't help the situation/discussion.

Anyway....

That was a really really really dumb thing to post on social media.

But I guess, at the end of the day, at least she didn't stick her head out of a bus escape hatch....  

Ah, teenagers.....



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Remember the "cross-hairs" controversy that emerged following the Gifford shooting? While there is no doubt that Sarah Palin was not actually calling for assassinations, her campaign did include "targets" being placed in the "cross-hairs of gun-sights". She also invited her supporters to "reload" and take "aim". Palin may have been appealing to the gun lobby and was using figures of speech. The tragedy is that there are those who are apt to take things literally. No wonder the Secret Service takes these things seriously.

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5582 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Common threads across large parts of the "tea party" propaganda:
• Categorically deny that Obama is, in fact, the legitimately elected President of the United States of America.
• Avoid democratic terminology, use military or revolutionary imagery throughout.
• Never acknowledge legitimate differences of opinion; Declare Obama a mortal enemy wherever you can get away with it at all.
• Insinuate that Obama wants to destroy the "white race".

Ya, but implying that Mitt Romney was responsible for a womans death or that George Bush being elected was like a black man being dragged to his death all over again - ya, those are responsible advertisements that wouldn't get anyone worked up - you know, like someone who's mom is dying of cancer or who's black and been discriminated against.

Ya, it's only the tea party......

The one way street that seems to be so prevelant is nauseating.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
The so-called "tea party" appears to be the main focal point for people of that mindset, and given that same people tend to repeat a closely correlated set of specific propaganda claims, it is difficult to overlook the obvious connection.

Sorry, but I know people who would ally themselves with the "tea party" movement. The way that you and most liberals characterize them all as if they are all part of the same nuthouse is simply insulting to the millions of intelligent, thoughtful, proud Americans who simply see things differently than you. All movements get infiltrated by misguided, insane, or purposefully pot-stirring people.

But thank you for repeating YOUR propaganda. Good job instilling it into the minds of those here.

-Dave



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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
Be careful with your wording, because the first amendment obviously keeps speech protected here. Of course there's this where people are threatening others, and that's unacceptable.

I agree. The big question here is where's the line between first amendment and a threat, and who draws this line.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3761 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
... like ASAP."

I like this part of her sentence. It really sets the tone a gives us an idea of the general level of education and intellect at play here.

Let's stick that sentence on the 'Annoying Facebook Girl' meme and start a meme thread already.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
The sad thing is that you propbably didn't even get the blatant irony inherent in your post, particularly in view of the bottom-of-the-barrel ad-hominem you couldn't help inserting into it.

You've essentially made my point.

For further illustration (took me only minutes googling "tea party obama" to get swamped with toxic bilge like this):

You have to be kidding me. Every group has their extreme ends. That is what will make the media, how a 16 year old girl posting a very very stupid tweet made you discuss this is beyond me.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...out-protest-signs-threatening-bush
Check out the link.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3160 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 17):
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...out-protest-signs-threatening-bush
Check out the link.

You are being silly. When the left make death threats, it's always perfectly justifiable anger at policy, not hatred.



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2749 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 18):
You are being silly. When the left make death threats, it's always perfectly justifiable anger at policy, not hatred.

Haha. Exactly. Woo! Glass houses everywhere.   



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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
You cannot aggressively de-legitimize and even de-humanize someone,


But it was apparently OK when Bush was in office and threatened!!

http://www.pbase.com/kayakbiker/bush_signs&page=all

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2653895/posts

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

As was mentioned ManuCH in reply 1, she did not threaten to kill him, just hoped someone would but did not tell anyone to do so. So much Hypocrisy on both sides and what is OK for one side not OK for the other side and visa/versa.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 15):
I agree. The big question here is where's the line between first amendment and a threat, and who draws this line.

Clearly the words "assassinate" and "president" in one tweet is over the line.

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 20):
But it was apparently OK when Bush was in office and threatened!!

Ohhhh the double standards of 2-party politics  

But I recall someone in the news saying every threat made against Dubya was investigated. The llast 10 or so years have been a roller coaster ride for the Secret service



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
Clearly the words "assassinate" and "president" in one tweet is over the line.

It is enough to warrent an investigation by the Secret service.
They may find nothing to act on, but they are going to investigate it.
Where there is smoke, there may be fire.

However this also acts as a nice "Don't do what this kid did" moment of teaching for the rest of the twitterverse.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 22):
However this also acts as a nice "Don't do what this kid did" moment of teaching for the rest of the twitterverse.

Exactly. People on twitter need to learn that it isn't 4chan  



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