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IOS 6: First Impressions?  
User currently offlinegrozzy From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

I've just downloaded the new iOS for my iPod touch, and am wondering what everyone's impressions are.
There's a few local errors I've found with the maps. I am routed along unformed streets. I can also see no use so far for the other main addition, passbook. Everything else seems normal so far.

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4913 times:

The maps are definitely a step back. It seems slow and heavy and I miss street view. I welcome more competition regarding maps services though.
The biggest news is an alarm clock which may say something about Apple.. they are not innovating more.


User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4898 times:

It's OK, nothing special. I don't like the maps - I will be downloading Google Maps when it's back on the App Store.

I HATE the blue on the menus though. Yuck.


User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2115 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

Are the issues with the maps in 3D/Satellite view, or are there issues with just the regular (drawn) map view?

I can honestly say I've never used street view on my iphone or ipad and I doubt I'll start using 3D, except on the rare occasion I want to look at a city in 3D.

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 2):
I HATE the blue on the menus though.

Blue menus?


User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4859 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 3):
Blue menus?

Go onto Settings and the menu has a blue tinge to it. Horrible. Reminds me of a National Health Service hospital.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

A couple things. (I have it on 3rd gen. iPad).

Maps is a step down, especially here in Australia, that has no fly over cities, nor turn by turn navigation (but coming). However, I do realize this is version 1, and it will improve quickly, if anything competition for google maps is good.

A couple good small, but needed adjustments, for example, updating and downloading apps does not take you straight to springboard, but rather keeps you on app store. This has irritated me for a long time, and was needed.

Now, the thing that irritates me the most. No passbook for iPad.

I know passbook is better for iPhone, but there are advantages for having it on the iPad, advantages that must be greater than the cost of software developing it for the larger screen.

Even for people with iPhones, adding it to iPad has advantages. For instance, when buying tickets at home, many (including my parents who have iPhones and iPads) would rather use their iPad, and check everything is ok. And also at airport, although the iphone would be better for checking in and going through security, many would use their iPad for boarding, as it is already out in the waiting lounges. Furthermore, while I would be sitting and waiting for my flight (while browsing iPad), it would be good to get the live details (delays, gate changes, etc.) that passbook offer right to the iPad.

Overall, not impressed, some good small changes, but one big negative for me (not a step back, but Apple keeping iPads behind for no real reason). Hopefully Apple realize their mistake, possibly through many requests, and add it in an update or add it to the app store for iPad users to download.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinemajestic477 From Ghana, joined Sep 2012, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

Am yet see any map application would be as detailed as google maps at least here in Ghana. Given that the standard of how good a map is must not be the maps of developed nations since most of the work has been done. So far google maps is the only detailed maps. Think of finding yourself in a third world country where the maps will be most needed.

User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4767 times:
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The clock is nice. I had previously downloaded a world clock for my "we won't call it n iPad 3" to use at work. The included clock now incorporates all the features I need and has a nice day-specific multi alarm capability.

I don't care for the Apple maps, though it does look a little "cuter" from high altitude perspectives (I expected they'd roll out a product that was at least in the ballpark of Google quality given the amount of media discussion on this move). I'm also not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I'd swear that google earth now runs slower (64GB iPad 3 AT&T), which was noticed even when using wifi.

I've never used Siri, though my friends with iPhones seem to like it. I'll probably get a 5th generation iPhone soon simply because my Samsung Galaxy is starting to get slow and buggy (and might as well benefit from a consistent iCloud repository).

On the whole, my first impressions are that the new OS is far below the hype. I feel like this is what I'd expect from a large Windows service pack more than a whole new OS designation.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4752 times:

It's a fine upgrade, but not earth shattering.

The Maps are a HUGE step forward, finally having turn by turn navigation.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 1):
The maps are definitely a step back.

Do you own an iphone?



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
It's a fine upgrade, but not earth shattering.

Agree there . Some things I like and some not bothered about but in general quite happy with it . I see LH and UA were first to embrace PB. Got my Apps updated .

An error here in Ireland detected :

Apple gives Dublin a new 'airfield'

Surely not? Minister for Justice Alan Shatter claimed today that pilots could be misled into trying to make an emergency landing on a farm in Dublin because of an error on a new Apple online map tool.

In a statement - which may or may not have been slightly tongue-in-cheek - the Minister said he has notified the tech giant of a mistake in his south Dublin constituency and asked for it to be urgently corrected.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0920/breaking20.html


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4708 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
Do you own an iphone?

No. I own an iPad 3. Great device, although slightly boring OS not optimized for the larger screen size. Why?


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4673 times:
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Havent used the phone much in since my update last night.

The map update with verbal turn by turn was useful in our driving home last night. Real time traffic is cool.

Havent perused the other aspects yet. But Siris enhanced capabilites will make my life easier.


Only GLARING con to mee seems to be that the battery life is a LOT worse.

using an iPhone 4s with a full charge at 8AM, it was down to 88% by 9 AM without any apps running.

Ive since changed new settings which I hope will help



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 8):
The Maps are a HUGE step forward, finally having turn by turn navigation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736

It doesn't take an iPhone owner to know that the maps are a step in the wrong direction for Apple - In fact this guy compares both..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19664578


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
It doesn't take an iPhone owner to know that the maps are a step in the wrong direction for Apple - In fact this guy compares both..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology...64578

i think this outlook is oversimplified. For now, the Apple maps are lacking quite a few features of Google's map program.

However there is a very real business reason why the maps were taken over by Apple. and given time and money they will be as good as if not better than Google's. Apple wants the ad revenue from the maps, and who can blame them?


It will just take time use and complaints ot get them up to par.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

Passbook.

Is it supposed to actually do something?


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

CAUSE:

Quoting racko (Reply 15):
http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

EFFECT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIakZtDmMgo


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):

Eventually eliminate your need for a wallet.
But right now, I find it lacking as well.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5599 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 17):
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):

Eventually eliminate your need for a wallet.
But right now, I find it lacking as well.

That will require NFC, which I am positive will appear in the next iteration or next year.

Tugg



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 17):

Eventually eliminate your need for a wallet.
But right now, I find it lacking as well.

No. It literally does NOTHING except provide me a link to the App Store.


User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3170 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

I loveD the Apple map program for about 20 minutes. It was great for looking at airports.

But the search is not nearly as comprehensive as the google version. So often I get zero results where google would have tons.

Further, I find it to be fairly sluggish (both in wifi as well as cell).



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

I think the point is, you have to get one of those apps and purchase a coupon, gift card, ticket using those apps and they put the pass in your passbook

Then , you show it to any bar scanner and whallla.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
It doesn't take an iPhone owner to know that the maps are a step in the wrong direction for Apple

To me the new version still looks a bit "nicer" visually, even if the usability is not up there yet (mostly due to the data and the labeling not being as refined). Mistakes and omissions are noticeable. The satellite images are not as detailed yet as Google's, at least in my region.

There is quite a bit more and more detailed traffic information, which is now also needed a lot more urgently.

There seems to be more user-oriented meta information and less business advertising, but we'll have to see how that will develop further on.

The crux at the moment is that they've stepped from a not overly polished, somewhat stagnating, but fundamentally quite mature version 7 or 8 provided by an increasingly aggressive competitor to a visibly still immature version 1 cooked up in house which is noticeably intended to become more polished and more in line with their own priorities over time, but clearly isn't there yet.

Users don't care for such aspects and it's not their job to care, so Apple will be hammered hard for all perceived (and probably mostly real) shortcomings of their new map infrastructure (which has already begun through the beta phase). They're headed for a medium to severe thunderstorm about that, but it is pretty likely that they're already in heavy weather gear, being aware what will hit them.

Turn-by-turn navigation is likely the sugar sprinkled over it to make the preliminary drawbacks more palatable at this point.

That's the problem when you're switching horses this far into the game: Almost impossible to avoid any fallout, but other than staying beholden to Google forever, what option was there, really? Apple is probably the only commercial player even capable of breaking away from them at full scale and building an entirely new infrastructure from scratch.

That they now have a fully vector-based infrastructure which they can tailor to their own APIs as needed, that all the usage data and other input needed for further refinement will now no longer run to Google but to their own servers, that they can develop their map infrastructure in directions Google has no interest in and of course that they can now develop unique services and infrastructures to gain a competitive edge – all that is extremely important for Apple and at least potentially advantageous for their users, but it won't help any user right now at this point.

I expect that it will be mostly okay until next year via progressive updates particularly to the server data, but also through some iOS bugfix updates; iOS 7 will probably introduce the first unique API extensions.

We'll have to see how this will shake out eventually, but this is clear: Google's maps will lose a lot of relevance and user input (even though they will still exist in separate Google apps in the App Store, but most people likely won't bother to install them and they will not be used by any non-Google apps any more) and Apple's maps will certainly improve a lot over time since they are a key infrastructure for Apple as well and will see sustained investment.

Tectonic shifts like this one are rare in the industry; This will remain interesting to watch.

Otherwise tons of improvements in many areas: A big bag of security fixes (the most important part). The new detailed privacy controls are finally here. I like having Siri on the iPad as well, and Siri's capabilities have finally been expanded here in Germany. The App Store app is much improved (downloads stay in the app, no password needed for updates any more). Many individual refinements all around. Nice.

As with most Apple OS upgrades, it's like an iceberg: Most improvements are not even visible on the surface right away, but will incrementally come to light through apps using the upgraded infrastructure. The just-arrived new map infrastructure is just the most noticeable example here.


User currently offlinemax999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1046 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 5):

Maps is a step down, especially here in Australia, that has no fly over cities, nor turn by turn navigation (but coming). However, I do realize this is version 1, and it will improve quickly, if anything competition for google maps is good.

I think people forget how difficult map making can be. I don't think the inaccuracies will be resolved anytime soon...it takes a lot of manual grunt work to collect all the data to make detailed, comprehensive online maps.

I believe Apple wants to resolve this ASAP so they probably will spend lots of $$$ to buy up as much mapping data as possible then integrate it all into their database. While this won't happen overnight, it's still faster than Apple collecting the data by itself.

Competition is a good thing...some of the tech blogs I read today claimed that Google already built a standalone iOS 6 map app which is waiting for Apple's approval.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 13):

However there is a very real business reason why the maps were taken over by Apple. and given time and money they will be as good as if not better than Google's. Apple wants the ad revenue from the maps, and who can blame them?

Time is the key factor...how long will it take to bring their maps back to a similar level of accuracy/usability as iOS 5? Apple has a lot of goodwill so I think the iOS user base will be patient.



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Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4316 times:
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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days ago) and read 4363 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 24):
Anyone installed in on the iPhone 4 yet? I am considering doing it, but don't want it to turn into a slow POS after the upgrade because the old processor can't handle it...

I had the same concern but upgraded anyway. No issue whatsoever. Runs the same as iOS5.



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User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days ago) and read 4363 times:

I have it on my iPad (3) and my wife´s iPad 2, works perfectly. I even installed it on an old 3GS and it seem to have given it some wings. It is faster than it was on 5.1 So to KaiGywer, go for it. It is well worth it, features like Do Not Disturb, and send a message instead of answering a call etc, are pretty useful. All in in all it is a good update and works find on all devices it was meant for, and it actually makes them seem faster.

Now about maps. Not a good program, because it is not very complete. But is better in my opinion to what Google offered IOS. I wish we can get Google Maps the way it is on Android. That or Apple needs to work quickly to get this sorted out.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (1 year 12 months 2 days ago) and read 4402 times:

Quoting grozzy (Thread starter):

I've just downloaded the new iOS for my iPod touch, and am wondering what everyone's impressions are.
There's a few local errors I've found with the maps. I am routed along unformed streets. I can also see no use so far for the other main addition, passbook. Everything else seems normal so far.

I was hoping to be able to use Siri...which Apple had said would be available for my iPod Touch after downloading iOs 6...yet it's not there.

Marc


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 28, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):

Surely not? Minister for Justice Alan Shatter claimed today that pilots could be misled into trying to make an emergency landing on a farm in Dublin because of an error on a new Apple online map tool.

Well, Apple does seem to think pilots rely on their phones instead of millions of dollars worth of weather and navigational equipment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00V7NW2_nSg

Quoting tugger (Reply 18):
That will require NFC, which I am positive will appear in the next iteration or next year.

And when it comes out with NFC, Apple will say that Samsung (which has had it on the Galaxy SIII for months already) somehow stole it from them.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 29, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Google's maps will lose a lot of relevance and user input

If you mean Apple users and relevance for them, sure. But they're not the majority, so Google maps will stay pretty relevant.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 30, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Quoting Zrs70 (Reply 20):
But the search is not nearly as comprehensive as the google version. So often I get zero results where google would have tons.

i must be the only one on the planet that thinks otherwise. I keep hearing from others that the app sucks, but when I look at my iPhone now, with the new Maps app, I think "wow! Finally, it gives me search results I like."

The Google Maps app was in my opinion, one of the weaker projects that google has produced. (The Gmail iOS map being the weakest.)



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 31, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4367 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Turn-by-turn navigation is likely the sugar sprinkled over it to make the preliminary drawbacks more palatable at this point.

Except it only works on the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5.

This is one of my major beefs with Apple; their desire for planned obsolescence of existing, perfectly-usable devices. My 32GB iPhone 4 has been wonderful, and I got the prompt to upgrade from iOS5 to iOS6. Turn-by-turn navigation! Panoramic photos! Map flyover!

Oh - whoops, did we forget to tell you these features won't work on your device, though?   

So while I like some aspects of iOS6, on my existing phone, iOS5 was more usable for my day-to-day needs. And if I want to use some of those neat features of iOS6, I have to drop bucks on an under-capacity 4S or the iPhone 5.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 32, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 27):
I was hoping to be able to use Siri...which Apple had said would be available for my iPod Touch after downloading iOs 6...yet it's not there.

It's off by default – you need to enable it in Settings > General > Siri.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 33, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 27):
I was hoping to be able to use Siri...which Apple had said would be available for my iPod Touch after downloading iOs 6...yet it's not there.

It's off by default – you need to enable it in Settings > General > Siri.

Addendum: Siri is available for the 5th gen iPod Touch only – it requires at least an A5 CPU. So on an 4th gen iPod Touch with its A4 it won't be available.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 29):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Google's maps will lose a lot of relevance and user input

If you mean Apple users and relevance for them, sure. But they're not the majority, so Google maps will stay pretty relevant.

Actual device usage looks pretty different from raw numbers sold – many if not most Android devices aren't actually used as smartphones since they are being pushed by providers as "dumb phone" replacements and either get to people who don't have data plans, aren't interested in these kinds of use or are too limited to be of much use in the first place.

In that vein Google actually reaps most of their mobile ad income from iOS users, not from Android despite nominally larger phone sales. Losing map usage from iOS bites a sizeable chunk out of their actually active audience – and particularly weakens traffic feedback and updating requests and other user contributions.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
Except it only works on the iPhone 4S and iPhone 5.

This is one of my major beefs with Apple; their desire for planned obsolescence of existing, perfectly-usable devices. My 32GB iPhone 4 has been wonderful, and I got the prompt to upgrade from iOS5 to iOS6. Turn-by-turn navigation! Panoramic photos! Map flyover!

"Planned obsolescence" is always the default suspicion, but in at least most cases it has more to do with whether the user experience would still be acceptable on the older devices.

RAM capacity, CPU and graphics performance and battery life are usually the main factors there (hacked installations often confirm that the limitations on older devices were in fact judiciously applied); Accounting can also be a factor, and such issues as ongoing service cost.

Providing retroactive upgrades can be pretty tricky.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 31):
So while I like some aspects of iOS6, on my existing phone, iOS5 was more usable for my day-to-day needs. And if I want to use some of those neat features of iOS6, I have to drop bucks on an under-capacity 4S or the iPhone 5.

How do you feel limited by iOS 6? Where does it offer less than iOS 5 did?

[Edited 2012-09-20 21:17:47]

User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 34, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4322 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
Actual device usage looks pretty different from raw numbers sold – many if not most Android devices aren't actually used as smartphones since they are being pushed by providers as "dumb phone" replacements and either get to people who don't have data plans, aren't interested in these kinds of use or are too limited to be of much use in the first place.

Do you have data to support this?


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 35, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4320 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
ting EA CO AS (Reply 31):So while I like some aspects of iOS6, on my existing phone, iOS5 was more usable for my day-to-day needs. And if I want to use some of those neat features of iOS6, I have to drop bucks on an under-capacity 4S or the iPhone 5.
How do you feel limited by iOS 6? Where does it offer less than iOS 5 did?

Google maps were far more accurate and contained far more features than the native Apple ones in iOS6. I, like others, am also noticing a faster-than-usual battery drain on my iPhone 4 than with iOS5.

Which begs the question; is there a way to downgrade to iOS5?



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 36, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4292 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
"Planned obsolescence" is always the default suspicion, but in at least most cases it has more to do with whether the user experience would still be acceptable on the older devices.

RAM capacity, CPU and graphics performance and battery life are usually the main factors there (hacked installations often confirm that the limitations on older devices were in fact judiciously applied); Accounting can also be a factor, and such issues as ongoing service cost.

I have the TomTom GPS app for iPhone. I had the Garmin but didn't like the interface as much. The TomTom app does turn-by-turn directions quite nicely. I promise you that the iPhone 4 can run a GPS system with turn-by-turn directions no problem. There is absolutely no reasonable other explanation than Apple trying to prod iPhone 4 users to upgrade.

I swear, I think they intentionally bottleneck certain functions with software upgrades. When I upgraded two iOS's up on every iPhone I've had, the keyboard has started to take forever to show up. Why should that take so long? I think Apple tries to bottleneck slower phones to encourage upgrades.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1612 posts, RR: 7
Reply 37, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

iOS 6: meh...

I had the 3, 3GS and now the 4, and that is my last iPhone.

The 5 and iOS 6 have greatily dissapointed me, Apple seems to have lost their innovating spirit.

My next phone will be a flagship Windows 8 device that will play nice with my new computer (now Win7, soon Win8), xbox360 and the Win8 Surface tablet I'll be getting for work.

I think 2013 will be the year where Apple will take a serious beating and Microsoft (I can't believe I'm gonna say this) will turn out to be the innovater....



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Tectonic shifts like this one are rare in the industry; This will remain interesting to watch.

Like a lot of tectonic shifts, this ended in catastrophe. Apple certainly could have done a better job of refining this before pushing it out.

Epic Fail.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Must say I love iOS 6! The new maps app is beautiful and looks a lot nicer than Google Maps. I love the brighter colous used. There are quite a few points of interest missing though. At least now you can report problems. I have been adding all local points of interest. The satellite imagery in my area is of much higher quality and more up to date than Google's ever was.

I absolutely love Flyover and find it much more useful than Street View. It's only available in around 30 major cities currently, but over time I am sure it will be expanded worldwide. It looks fantastic on my iPhone 4S and bet it looks great on the iPhone 5. It is also amazing on my iPad (3rd generation)!

I am very happy with the Siri update, particularly now that local seach is available outside of the US. I love asking about movies and restaurants. Sports is also great (although I am not very into sports). I love having Siri on my iPad now .

I also like Do Not Disturb and many of the minor changes.

Overall, I am extremely impressed with iOS 6! Maps will be updated over time and will be much more accurate and detailed in future.

Jordan 



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 40, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 21):
Then , you show it to any bar scanner and whallla.

There is one problem I see with passbook and using images of bar codes. Firstly, glare is horrible for bar code scanning, and really QR codes are the only way to go (hence that is what airlines use for mobile). If you have used the app key ring before, then you should have noticed it. Only a handful of bar code scanners read bar codes well.

This means businesses will need to change loyalty cards to QR codes, rather than bar codes, and probably update their bar code reading systems. That is the problem, before passbook really catches on, some businesses will be reluctant to invest. So this could be a slow start (and maybe in some countries not even take off at all). I hope, passbook becomes popular, because the adoption of QR codes is good for all, including android users.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Users don't care for such aspects and it's not their job to care, so Apple will be hammered hard for all perceived (and probably mostly real) shortcomings of their new map infrastructure (which has already begun through the beta phase). They're headed for a medium to severe thunderstorm about that, but it is pretty likely that they're already in heavy weather gear, being aware what will hit them.

With google trying to push google maps back to iOS, Apple might face a dilemma. If they let google maps back, they risk losing users, largely due to the large amount of negative feedback. If that is the case, the only way to get users to go back to Apple's mapping app would be to offer something that not only matches google maps, but goes beyond it, which isn't an easy task.

The other option is to stop Google entering the iOS market, which Google can turn into a marketing campaign, even without directly contributing to the campaign (ie "Apple decides not to allow its customers to use superior mapping software").

Lastly, apple maps can become the best thing for iOS users in an indirect fashion. Google's maps on android have been better, with turn by turn navigation, etc. I believe this was to give Android customers a better experience than iOS. However, with Apple's mapping software with turn by turn navigation, I wouldn't be surprised if Google gives iOS customers their full software (assuming Apple lets them), so at the end of the day, iOS customers could have the full Google software that android users have enjoyed!

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 39):

Must say I love iOS 6! The new maps app is beautiful and looks a lot nicer than Google Maps. I love the brighter colous used.

New maps may have more colour and to some look more beautiful, but I think it looks less map like. The thing I enjoy with google maps, is that it is so easy to understand, and looks like a clean and tidy ordinary map. In a rush, it loads quickly, is easy to read, and therefore better. If I want to see other details, perhaps more lifelike details (see parks in new maps, not just green, but made to look more like grash, bushlands), I would go to satellite imagery.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 41, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 40):
Firstly, glare is horrible for bar code scanning,

Really? I've used my phone on bar code readers fairly frequently with no problem.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 40):
This means businesses will need to change loyalty cards to QR codes

That's a good idea anyway.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 21):
whallla

Pro tip: I think you mean "voila."  
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 40):
The other option is to stop Google entering the iOS market, which Google can turn into a marketing campaign, even without directly contributing to the campaign (ie "Apple decides not to allow its customers to use superior mapping software").

Actually, I think even worse than a Google backlash would be the DOJ antitrust suit that would be filed against Apple. Closing competitors out of your operating system will get you in legal trouble for sure.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 40):
Lastly, apple maps can become the best thing for iOS users in an indirect fashion. Google's maps on android have been better, with turn by turn navigation, etc. I believe this was to give Android customers a better experience than iOS. However, with Apple's mapping software with turn by turn navigation, I wouldn't be surprised if Google gives iOS customers their full software (assuming Apple lets them), so at the end of the day, iOS customers could have the full Google software that android users have enjoyed!

Yup! I agree completely. Even though Apple could not shut Google out of its iOS, it could also not force Google to provide iOS customers with the same thing they gave Android customers. Now Google may be forced to.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 42, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 41):

A Google Maps app could be superior to the Apple Maps app, but Apple doesn't have to let them integrate it into the OS like the Apple app is.

So, great, you can find things, but if you start in your contacts and click on someone's address, the phone will still default to the Apple program and not to the Google program.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 43, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4037 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 42):
A Google Maps app could be superior to the Apple Maps app, but Apple doesn't have to let them integrate it into the OS like the Apple app is.

I'm not sure that's the case.

Part of the DOJ antitrust suit against Microsoft was the suspicion that MS held back some of its instruction set (for lack of a better term) and only told MS engineers about them. That way, MS applications would be superior to third-party applications when running on Windows. Yeah, the DOJ didn't like that.

Right now, I use the (crappy) GMail App for iPhone since, at least before iOS 6, the Apple GMail integration wasn't that great. The GMail app has access to the iPhone's contacts lists. I would be surprised if Apple rescinded this ability.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3970 times:

Well here is my thoughts on the maps.


I have the iPhone 4. My wife has the 4s. Her's works ok, voice commands, turn by turn, but the 4 is an absoulte joke. I tried it yesterday and it really is bad. I loaded a destination on the same road I was on and it simply displayed a green "sign" that said 13 miles on your left and that was it. No mileage countdown or anything. Not even a ding when I arrived. Simply put, pathetic.

Now, before you go spouting off that the 4 doesn't have the processing power, the Telnav App that you pay $10 a year for updated maps rivals the maps on the Andriod. And that simply shows Apple is just planning to push us to a new updated phone. Thanks, but no thanks. I really liked my first Apple Product but it might very well be my last. I don't like being forced into upgrades simply because Apple WON'T (not CAN'T) upgrade the product correctly.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 45, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 44):
I have the iPhone 4. My wife has the 4s. Her's works ok, voice commands, turn by turn, but the 4 is an absoulte joke. I tried it yesterday and it really is bad. I loaded a destination on the same road I was on and it simply displayed a green "sign" that said 13 miles on your left and that was it. No mileage countdown or anything. Not even a ding when I arrived. Simply put, pathetic.

I don't know if it's fair to arrive at "pathetic" by comparing your 1-2 year old iPhone 4 to what's running on newer, more powerful phones. In your opinion, how does the Apple Map App on your iPhone 4 compare to what you had before: the Google Map App on your iPhone 4?



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User currently offlinegrozzy From Australia, joined Oct 2007, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

One of my issues with maps is that no one has physically checked the data in the field. At least with google their street view vehicles had checked the maps.
I don't fully know how apple and google have sourced the data, but google is superior. If apple had sourced from one of the local street directories with 60+ years of experience many of the local errors would be fixed. It takes many years to build a reliable mapping product and they have forced this on us before it was ready.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 47, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 45):
In your opinion, how does the Apple Map App on your iPhone 4 compare to what you had before: the Google Map App on your iPhone 4?

Comparing Apple Map to Google Map, I give a VERY slight edge to Google. VERY. I might even call it a draw. But comparing both to TELNAV which is a very cheap app they BOTH SUCK. TELNAV, again, is as good or better than the GOOGLE MAPS NAVIGATION on any Android Phone. So let's not give any excuse to Apple. Their Maps SUCK. I guess you missed my point. If TELNAV can have a state of the art mapping and navigation with VOICE NAVIGATION app on the, as you say, "1-2 year old iPhone4," why can't Apple simply include turn by turn on the upgrade? Please explain that. You speak as if the iPhone 4 uses windows 3.1 to run. No, other companies make it work. Apple forces you to upgrade. THATS THE DIFFERENCE.

Please explain to me how my pathetically old iPhone4 can't even count down the distance I am from one point to another. I'm guessing you have the 5 or 4s. Take a ride with someone who has the 4 and please try to explain how the phone is so old it can't even ding when I arrive at the destination. Really? How old is the phrase "You have reached your destination." Apparently you and Apple think that my not even 2 year old phone can't even do that.

[Edited 2012-09-21 16:06:01]


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Reply 48, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
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Upgraded my iPad 3 yesterday and checked out the new map.

I was shocked at how inaccurate and minimal the map was for the city of Seoul, Korea, which happens to be one of the world's largest cities and also a big market for Apple even despite the fact that Samsung is headquartered there.

I mean, they even left out the Han River, which is over a kilometer wide and which is perhaps the most important feature of the city's geography and defines the cityscape. It's akin to leaving out the Seine river on a map of Paris or the Thames in a map of London.

Incheon Airport is just a purple blob, and subway lines and stations that were built 18 years ago don't even show on the map.

Perhaps Apple wanted to portray Seoul in a hypothetical post-nuclear apocalyptic scenario. If not, hopefully this gets addressed soon otherwise the map will remain to be a useless waste of bandwidth. I would never be able to find my way around the city with that map.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 49, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3948 times:

I found this entertaining and informative:
http://counternotions.com/2012/09/21/applemaps/

Warning! Contains irony, common sense and actual facts!   


One of the possibilities why the iPhone 4 and 3GS are excluded from turn-by-turn navigation is that TomTom who license their mapping data to Apple almost certainly have demanded (and might have achieved) to extract some payment from Apple for each individual device using this feature.

It would not be surprising if Apple might have coughed up money to cover all iPhone 4S but might not have been motivated enough to retroactively pay for covering the iPhone 4 and 3GS as well.

Things like these may even cause trouble on the financial level for a public company effectively throwing fresh money belonging to their shareholders after already completed sales without any provisions having been made for these beforehand.

Just one of various possibilities.

"Planned obsolescence" is a bit too flat to sound all that plausible in total context with all the other features which they actually deliver anyway, particularly since none of the older devices are becoming "obsolete" in any way by actually receiving a life-extending OS upgrade.

[Edited 2012-09-21 16:33:46]

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Reply 50, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 3888 times:

All in all, I like it. Panorama pictures are fantastic, the text back instead of pick up is great, and all in all it runs better and has some nice improvements. The maps... the app itself, if it worked properly, would be miles ahead of what there was before. Turn-by-turn is a big plus. However, the content is a disaster. It thinks we've got a Mandarin Oriental in Los Angeles along with an array of other weird things.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 51, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 47):
I'm guessing you have the 5 or 4s.

Actually, I have a 4. When you assume...

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 47):
Please explain to me how my pathetically old iPhone4 can't even count down the distance I am from one point to another.

I do not know... but I do know that your iPhone 4 did not do that before the Apple Maps app. So, I'm really struggling to understand why the Apple Maps app is "pathetic" when it didn't subtract a feature. As far as I can tell, the only feature that Google Maps had that Apple Maps does not is Street View. Maybe there's something about the 4 that even the mighty Google could not make your phone ding when you approached your waypoint. Is Google pathetic too?



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (1 year 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 3830 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Reply 48):
I was shocked at how inaccurate and minimal the map was for the city of Seoul, Korea, which happens to be one of the world's largest cities and also a big market for Apple even despite the fact that Samsung is headquartered there.

As of late, I had been surprised and pleased at the sheer amount of detail and information contained in Google Maps, particularly for cities like Hong Kong, Tokyo or the likes. For subway/rail stations, you even have a detailed map of each exit location, you have custom icons for certain convenience stores and restaurants, it makes navigation within a city much easier. I don't really want my maps to be "pretty", I want them to have accurate information that I can rely on.

Apple's new map app seems to be like a very early beta, the amount of data "lost" vs google maps is huge. Maybe it works for San Francisco or New York, but what they have for other big cities like Tokyo is quite frankly useless right now, I could understand if the info for small towns or the likes takes a while to trickle in, but Seoul and Tokyo ?? come on...

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2...iphone-maps/tab/slideshow/#slide/1

Nuff said ; )

[Edited 2012-09-21 21:55:52]

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 41):
Really? I've used my phone on bar code readers fairly frequently with no problem.

Well, as I understand it, there are two bar code reading technologies, laser scanners and optical scanners. Optical ones have no problems. Only some laser scanners read traditional bar codes well.

For instance, my local grocery stores scanners will not read my rewards card bar code when it is displayed on my phone.

As for passbook, I was disappointed not to get it on my iPad. But, it already works on my Android phone! Passwallet is a free app that can display the passbook content. Already tested it, and so far it works, but will not make a final judgement until more official content is released.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 3808 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 49):

I found this entertaining and informative:
http://counternotions.com/2012/09/21/applemaps/

Warning! Contains irony, common sense and actual facts!

the example they use is Valencia to Alicante walking.

Firstly, google gives results on quickest route, and when you are walking, taking the ferry is the quickest. If you don't want to take the ferry, google gives you the option of routes that don't contain ferries.

Apple maps on the other hand don't give walking directions.....

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 55, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

I can't believe how crappy the Apple maps actually are. I doubt Steve Jobs would have approved such a beta product. Is Apple going down hill now?

User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 49):

Thanks for that! Made me smile  
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 54):

Excuse me? I just chose two random points (Heathrow and Regent Street) and it had no problem finding me walking directions.




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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 55):

Do you know how boring these posts are?

Considering Apple at their last results sold more iPads and macs than ever before and now they have just beat previous pre-order numbers for iPhones (2 million in 24 hours for iPhone 5) and that fact that their stock price is continuing to rise.

No, they aren't going downhill.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 58, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 57):

Good for them, but what does that have to do with the maps app? The Apple brand stands for something that just works. The maps don't just work.


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Reply 59, posted (1 year 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 55):

Agreed. Total shit.

Google maps is where it's at. Don't care what the Apple fanpeople have to say about it.

Funny that today, looking up a brand new place on Google Maps that I had to be at, the computer gave me the proper location. When I got in my car and looked up the same place on the brand new iOS6, it was over a 1/2 mile away in the wrong direction. Good thing I stuck to my guns and stayed with the original computer given location....because that was the right one in the end.



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 58):

You didn't say that. You asked if Apple are going downhill. I pointed out that they are not.

So far, Apple Maps have 'just worked' for me. Yes there are some flaws, some major ones in fact, but I haven't actually encountered any myself.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26978 posts, RR: 57
Reply 61, posted (1 year 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

I love Apple products and have lots of them but Maps is dissapointing . Hopefully its something that will be sorted sooner rather than later. Its my only issue with the new IOS6 . Is there an App to get Google Maps back?

Just downloaded the Youtube one as its nice to have even though I dont use it that much .


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 3725 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 56):
Excuse me? I just chose two random points (Heathrow and Regent Street) and it had no problem finding me walking directions.

Sorry, my mistake. But try searching valencia to alicante, as the example had. Wouldn't exactly call that a good result....

-CXfirst



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User currently onlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 52
Reply 63, posted (1 year 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 3695 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 60):
So far, Apple Maps have 'just worked' for me. Yes there are some flaws, some major ones in fact, but I haven't actually encountered any myself.

Good for you, but to overlook the world's largest AND the world's second largest city on the maps application suggests either two things: Sloppiness on their part, or Anglo/americentrism. I can see how it takes a long time to develop maps from scratch, but we are talking about the world's largest cities (yes, superlative). I would have expected Apple to release a relatively finished product at least for those two cities. It's not just minor details that they left out--the cities are barely recognizable. Just imagine a map of London that doesn't show the Thames or Oxford Circus. I wouldn't have minded if it even had half of the detail that the Google one has, but the cities right now look like they have been wiped out by some WMD.

As a 4-year iPhone user, I've had higher expectations for Apple. The map of Seoul now looks less accurate and more outdated than the Google one back in 2008. Don't even get me started on the Tokyo one. And yes, that city has a HUGE Apple customer base.

Quoting SR117 (Reply 52):
Maybe it works for San Francisco or New York, but what they have for other big cities like Tokyo is quite frankly useless right now, I could understand if the info for small towns or the likes takes a while to trickle in, but Seoul and Tokyo ?? come on...

Totally agreed, and thanks for sharing that link.

For those of you who have an iOS device and plan to visit those cities, may I suggest bringing a separate map with you.

[Edited 2012-09-22 05:45:53]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6654 posts, RR: 11
Reply 64, posted (1 year 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting grozzy (Reply 46):
I don't fully know how apple and google have sourced the data, but google is superior. If apple had sourced from one of the local street directories with 60+ years of experience many of the local errors would be fixed. It takes many years to build a reliable mapping product and they have forced this on us before it was ready.

I'm guessing (and only guessing) that user input plays an important role in the building of a map. Google has one big advantage, people use maps on their computers, a quite better medium to actually enter data. I don't see anybody using Apple maps on their computer (is there even a website ?) so they had to release it on the phones/pads to get user input.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (1 year 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
It's off by default – you need to enable it in Settings > General > Siri.

Addendum: Siri is available for the 5th gen iPod Touch only – it requires at least an A5 CPU. So on an 4th gen iPod Touch with its A4 it won't be available.

I was under the impression that I have a 5th Generation (purchased 11/2011), but Siri isn't listed anywhere under settings > general.

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 66, posted (1 year 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 60):
You didn't say that. You asked if Apple are going downhill. I pointed out that they are not.

I disagree. I think they are. Not economically (just yet), but by their creativity or lack thereof and their attention to detail.


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Reply 67, posted (1 year 12 months 9 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 65):
I was under the impression that I have a 5th Generation (purchased 11/2011), but Siri isn't listed anywhere under settings > general.

5th gen is the one that just got announced. So, Siri will not be available for your iPod touch.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 12 months 7 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 56):
Excuse me? I just chose two random points (Heathrow and Regent Street) and it had no problem finding me walking directions.

I tried it in London and it worked, it even works for me in Mexico, bur for some reason though, it does not work in Japan at all.

We're all reasonable people and can understand that this is just the first version, hey, Google had their own hiccups too, and I can understand the whole business case of why they wanted their own app. But really, couldn't they wait until they had something that was remotely comparable in the rest of the world? It's not as if having Google Maps was pushing them to the red anyways... last I heard their stock was doing pretty well.

Let me illustrate my point a bit better with a couple of additional images of Shibuya Station, one of the biggest transportation hubs in Tokyo, and home to the famous statue of Hachiko the dog ; ) Having a good map here is invaluable as you can sort through the maze effectively and choose what exit is best for your destination, that's what maps are for right?

Here's Shibuya according to Google:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news/imgs/d/0/d098c6f1.jpg

Here's Shibuya Station according to Apple Maps:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news/imgs/e/2/e26f1938.jpg

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[Edited 2012-09-22 12:07:09]

User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 66):

I agree the whole maps things should have been released at a later date, but Apple are no longer focusing on attention to detail? In iOS 6, they refined the whole OS to make it faster and more appealing to users. It's small things (for example, in the music app, as you move the phone, the reflection on the volume slider changes) that shows Apple is still as crazy about attention to detail as before.

You tell me any other manufacturer who has been creative lately? And Nokia and these Android phones with wireless charging etc don't count. They are just adding these as extra things 'to tick off their list' that don't really benefit users, especially at this early stage I.e. very inefficient wireless charging. Nokia is adding these features in desperation of not completely losing the race.

With the iPhone 5, Apple have made some major refinements that make one of the already leading smartphones, even better. It's got one of, if not the best camera on any smartphone. One of the best screens, probably the easiest and most usable OS. Why does everyone assume Apple are going to go downhill because they aren't adding some sort of teleportation feature to the next iPhone?

Look at the iPad, introduced 2 and a bit years ago. There may have been tablets already, but they all failed and I bet most people didn't even know what they were. Apple changed the entire market with this. Not just the consumer market, but the business and education markets as well.

The same with the touchscreen smartphone. Apple changed the way that everyone thinks about a phone. If it weren't for them, I doubt all these Samsung and competing smartphones would even exist.

And then there is Siri, introduced just 11 months ago. Yeah sure there was basic level voice recognition. But nothing as advanced as Siri is. And due to Siri, Samsung have released S-Voice and Google have released Google Now/Voice (forget what it's called).

So I wouldn't say Apple aren't being creative. They are in the refinement stages for the moment before adding revolutionary new features again in the future when they feel they are ready and when they will truly benefit users.

[Edited 2012-09-22 14:14:05]

[Edited 2012-09-22 14:14:45]


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 70, posted (1 year 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 69):
You tell me any other manufacturer who has been creative lately? And Nokia and these Android phones with wireless charging etc don't count. They are just adding these as extra things 'to tick off their list' that don't really benefit users, especially at this early stage I.e. very inefficient wireless charging. Nokia is adding these features in desperation of not completely losing the race.

Don't you find it a bit odd to consider things such as wireless charging just "extra things 'to tick off their list' that don't really benefit users" but then tout Siri? Wireless charging, when perfected, will be something that everyone is going to want and use.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2407 posts, RR: 24
Reply 71, posted (1 year 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 3500 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 69):
You tell me any other manufacturer who has been creative lately? And Nokia and these Android phones with wireless charging etc don't count. They are just adding these as extra things 'to tick off their list' that don't really benefit users, especially at this early stage I.e. very inefficient wireless charging. Nokia is adding these features in desperation of not completely losing the race.

But still, they dare a lot more because they are challenging the iPhone. It is like Apple is so afraid to screw up its cash cow, especially when SJ is no longer around, that they are scared to innovate and instead are only updating their product lines from now on. If I had an iPhone 4, I wouldn't really see any compelling reason to upgrade to iPhone 5 now. Seems like they are selling the iPhone 5 very well though, but this is also just my opinion. I can't help but feel that iOS seems dated somehow. It's like it could have a lot more to offer if it got a major overhaul.

I think wireless charging and the puremotion HD plus with pixels moving ten times faster is very innovative. I am really looking forward to comparing the displays of the new flagships from the manufacturers. But not only that. WP8 seems like a mature OS with a new approach to UI.

I agree with you that many Android phones are not innovative.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 70):

No I don't. My point is, it isn't perfected so why bring it out when it's not really going to benefit anyone? Siri actually benefits many people. It's much quicker to send a text, ask for the weather, set a reminder or an alarm etc using your voice than it is to manually do it. It is also extremely accurate. So from that, Siri isn't a feature Apple are ticking off of their list, it actually benefits users unlike wireless charging does at the moment.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 71):

Steve Jobs had a rough plan for the next few years at Apple. Even if he was still here, the iPhone 4S and 5 would have still been exactly like they are now, as would have iOS 6.

I respect your opinion, although mine differs from yours.

And there are quite a few major reasons to upgrade from and iPhone 4 to an iPhone 5:

- A larger screen to fit more content on
- A much improved camera from 5MP to 8MP with brand new optics
- 1080p video recording with video stabilisation compared to 720p
- HD FaceTime camera
- Improved audio
- Siri
- Turn by turn navigation
- Flyover
- 4G LTE

And the list goes on. These are all significant improvements over the iPhone 4.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 73, posted (1 year 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 72):
So from that, Siri isn't a feature Apple are ticking off of their list, it actually benefits users unlike wireless charging does at the moment.

Of course wireless charging will benefit users. Why do you think we have wireless headsets, mouses, keyboards, video games controllers and so on and so forth? People don't like fumbling around with wires for their electronics. The only wires they want to deal with are the ones they plug in when they first get the product and then never touch again unless they move. (And from playing around with iPhones, I wouldn't say Siri is extremely accurate by a long shot)


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 73):

You didn't read my post. Yes wireless charging will be great WHEN it is ready. At the moment, it's extremely slow and inefficient. It's probably still a few years away until it can replace traditional wired charging.

And my usage fom my iPhone & iPad, my friends iPhones and lots of videos on YouTube say otherwise about Siri. Generally it is very accurate.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 75, posted (1 year 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 74):
You didn't read my post. Yes wireless charging will be great WHEN it is ready. At the moment, it's extremely slow and inefficient. It's probably still a few years away until it can replace traditional wired charging.

It just means that the technology is not fully matured (...hey, just like Apple's Maps!). That hardly means that releasing the wireless charging is just out of desperation and not going to benefit anyone.


User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Upgraded to 6 on my iPad 3

I like Siri but the maps just suck, and YouTube ha gone...

To me it feels like 5.2.1 not 6

After 12 hours I had 34 updates lol



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User currently offlineFlyKev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 3428 times:
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I find the update itself is fine - my phone does seem to run faster, the app store does look a lot better and I do find the panorama feature in the camera quite neat.

Maps on the other hand is quite disappointing.
Good example; I have an interview next week with a medium sized business.
Typing their name into Apple maps yields no results. In-fact, it takes 4 lines of their address to show the position. Google Maps on the other hand shows the correct location instantly just by typing the business name.

How anyone could consider this a step forward I do not know as I find the application change has now made finding things a lot more awkward and maps even seems to think I live on top of a supermarket.

I'm not arguing that Apple should get it right straight away with maps and I agree it will take time for them to look and function like Google's, I just do not feel that we should be subjected to a glorified beta test.

I also wonder how many smaller businesses may lose out through this map change - Google Maps is quite good at listing a lot of businesses. I can think of a lot that do not appear on Apple's maps what-so-ever, thus reducing their exposure.

I eagerly await Google's now submitted and pending review Maps iOS app.

Kev.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 78, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3429 times:



Quoting SR117 (Reply 68):
Here's Shibuya according to Google:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news/imgs/d/0/d098c6f1.jpg

Here's Shibuya Station according to Apple Maps:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news/imgs/e/2/e26f1938.jpg

That's not a new car with some quirks, that's a new car with an engine that doesn't start.

Not really. The topological road information appears to be identical (which is what turn-by-turn navigation needs). What's still missing is the geometrical information about buildings and other structures which are not relevant to road traffic.

Since hybrid view with satellite images is already available and appears to be working properly, the missing building outlines in pure map view are not my prime concern (I'm generally using hybrid view anyway, so I hadn't really noticed the change there).

Quoting Polot (Reply 70):
Don't you find it a bit odd to consider things such as wireless charging just "extra things 'to tick off their list' that don't really benefit users" but then tout Siri? Wireless charging, when perfected, will be something that everyone is going to want and use.

How so? It's been around for a while, and it has failed to show any tangible benefits for phones.

Quoting Polot (Reply 73):
Of course wireless charging will benefit users. Why do you think we have wireless headsets, mouses, keyboards, video games controllers and so on and so forth?

Because those can all be moved around freely relative to the base station (the computer or device).

Not so with inductive charging. It has all the disadvantages of wired charging plus a few more.

For illustration:

• I simply put my iPhone into its dock for charging.

• The dock is connected to the charger or to the computer through a cable.

• The connector engages automatically when I do that, without me having to do anything special about it.

• It charges at its full speed and automatically syncs with the Mac at the same time.

• The iPhone stands upright in the dock, which takes up very little space on my desk and keeps its display in perfect view at the same time.

Compare this with inductive charging:

• You still need to place the phone directly on the inductive dock.

• The inductive dock is still connected to the charger or to the computer through a cable.

• Inductive charging still engages only when the phone is directly on the dock; you cannot move it around freely (which is the whole point of all the other wireless technologies!).

• It usually charges only at a fraction of its full speed.

• It generates substantial electromagnetic noise around it with the risk of other equipment malfunctioning or suffering interference and magnetic strips on cards and other recordings being damaged if being close (such as your wallet accidentally being close to it).

• Your phone lies flat on its back on the inductive dock, which takes up a lot more space on your desk and keeps its display pointing upwards, so most of the time you can't actually see what's on it.

• The phone itself also gets bigger and heavier due to the relatively large charging coil. (Or it is at the expense of battery capacity.)

• The ordinary plug is still there, so it's just a duplication of an already existing mechanism.

In other words: Inductive charging is a harebrained idea for a smartphone with no real-life benefit and a bunch of drawbacks. It solves no actual problem, provides no actually unique advantages and generates a bunch of new problems you wouldn't normally have without it.

Or, in short: It's only a gimmick with no actual point in real life.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 71):
I think wireless charging and the puremotion HD plus with pixels moving ten times faster is very innovative.

Inductive charging is a pretty old idea. And for electric toothbrushes, for instance, it actually makes sense (eliminating risks of corrosion and bacteria contamination).

The Palm Pre had already had it as well. It just provided no actual advantage there.

As for graphics power, at this point the Apple devices are the reference on that. Maximum UI speed at the display's native frame rate? Standard since the first iPhone in 2007.

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 76):
I like Siri but the maps just suck, and YouTube ha gone...

No, it's now just a separate download from the App Store. Google Maps likely won't be far behind.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 77):
How anyone could consider this a step forward I do not know

It's a big strategic jump forwards for Apple, with lots of potential for future usage improvements, particularly over Google Maps as well.

As strategic gains go, they often come with short-term tactical pains, as does this one.

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 77):
I'm not arguing that Apple should get it right straight away with maps and I agree it will take time for them to look and function like Google's, I just do not feel that we should be subjected to a glorified beta test.

There's not really an elegant way around it, since many of the necessary improvements will be derived from it being used (including the users' error notifications directly from the Maps app).

[Edited 2012-09-22 17:47:32]

User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 79, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3410 times:

Oh Klaus. Funny tha yo note that

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):

The Palm Pre had already had it as well. It just provided no actual advantage there.

but then note that

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):

• Your phone lies flat on its back on the inductive dock, which takes up a lot more space on your desk and keeps its display pointing upwards, so most of the time you can't actually see what's on it.

• The phone itself also gets bigger and heavier due to the relatively large charging coil. (Or it is at the expense of battery capacity.)

Both of which were patently untrue with the Pre and its Touchstone charger. The Pre sat on its Touchstone at an angle which I found put it at a perfect viewing angle for where my nightstand was. At 4.8 oz, the Pre was hardly a porker and was, in fact, the same weight as the contemporary iPhone 3GS.

Additionaly:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):

• It generates substantial electromagnetic noise around it with the risk of other equipment malfunctioning or suffering interference and magnetic strips on cards and other recordings being damaged if being close (such as your wallet accidentally being close to it).

While I don't have any hard data on EMI emanating from my Touchstone, I kept my wallet in close proximity to it every night and found none of my cards to have been damaged.

You do, however, correctly note, that inductive charging took longer than wired charging. Additionally there's still a cable involved - from the wall to the base of the Touchstone. I don't really see much difference there between that and, say, the charging/data cable that I plug directly into my present EVO. It did, however, help correct the (to me) one major design flaw the Pre had - you couldn't slide open the keyboard while charging with the charging port. On a phone that didn't have a native virtual keyboard, that was a pretty major blunder on Palm's part.



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3409 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):
Not really. The topological road information appears to be identical (which is what turn-by-turn navigation needs). What's still missing is the geometrical information about buildings and other structures which are not relevant to road traffic.

Since hybrid view with satellite images is already available and appears to be working properly, the missing building outlines in pure map view are not my prime concern (I'm generally using hybrid view anyway, so I hadn't really noticed the change there).

Maybe it is not your concern but for me and for many people moving in Tokyo it is, road directions are irrelevant for me and taxis usually have GPS navigation systems anyways. I'm sure it's different in other parts of the world, but not here. Detailed pedestrian maps containing public transport and building information are essential, and they are items already fully available in existing map software (well, not available under ios6).

I like Apple stuff, I've got a MacBook, a new ipad, an ipod, I like their stuff cause it works and it always has worked, I'm no hater. I can only speak for myself but I'm upset because they've taken something that works and replaced it with something that clearly does not. Then they have the chutzpah to say "We're working to make the experience even better", well the current experience is a no go, the only way to go is up...


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 81, posted (1 year 12 months 1 hour ago) and read 3412 times:

Quoting FlyKev (Reply 77):
How anyone could consider this a step forward I do not know
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 79):
Both of which were patently untrue with the Pre and its Touchstone charger. The Pre sat on its Touchstone at an angle which I found put it at a perfect viewing angle for where my nightstand was.

That's of course possible to do, but that's not what's about to be offered by Nokia, which is what I was talking about.

An angled inductive charger effectively provides no operative difference to the physical plugin dock as the one for the iPhone, except being more complex, slower and being a bullet point in the feature list.

The whole point of the "wireless" concept is allowing free movement – and wireless chargers just don't, so why?

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 79):
At 4.8 oz, the Pre was hardly a porker and was, in fact, the same weight as the contemporary iPhone 3GS.

Note the second part of my point above:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):
(Or it is at the expense of battery capacity.)

The charging coil is never for free – you pay extra to have it, either by making the device bigger and heavier, or cutting the needed bulk and weight away from other components.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 82, posted (1 year 12 months ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 80):
Maybe it is not your concern but for me and for many people moving in Tokyo it is, road directions are irrelevant for me and taxis usually have GPS navigation systems anyways.

I don't say that nobody had any valid complaints, just that I see that they've set priorities. And the new turn-by-turn feature clearly was one.

Having satellite images as complete as possible was clearly the second (with the remaining clouds, missing patches, limited resolution in many places and other glitches).

All the remaining geometrical and organisational information was apparently not a launch priority at this point, but it is of course much of the point why they even want to have a mapping service of their own: To provide useful information and to present practical added value to their platform, ideally unique added value.

My guess is that they spent by far the most effort on turn-by-turn navigation working as well as possible and only after that on filling in imaging and aligning their different data sources (which apparently created quite a few discrepancies).

Quoting SR117 (Reply 80):
I like Apple stuff, I've got a MacBook, a new ipad, an ipod, I like their stuff cause it works and it always has worked, I'm no hater.

Not my point at all. There's no doubt that there is some inconvenience and valid irritation for many. It's just likely temporary, and Apple hasn't taken this step lightly in any case – they just decided that they could not wait even longer, and I can understand why.

They took a huge leap there, cutting off almost all their dependencies on their primary competitor (what except optional Google search in Safari is still there?), knowing that the mapping infrastructure transition would involve a huge amount of pain and irritation for them and for many of their customers.

They likely even accept that a likely coming Google Maps app on iOS may look pretty good to many people by comparison, at least for some time.

But being dependent on and actually boosting their most dangerous competitor with whom they're fighting in various courts (by proxy for the most part so far, but that is changing with the Motorola acquisition – now it's on directly) would be way, way worse down the road.

Yes, the users are getting some of the crossfire here, but of all the bad options Apple had, this was actually the least painful in the longer run.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5395 posts, RR: 52
Reply 83, posted (1 year 12 months ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 81):

Note the second part of my point above:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):
(Or it is at the expense of battery capacity.)

The charging coil is never for free – you pay extra to have it, either by making the device bigger and heavier, or cutting the needed bulk and weight away from other components.



I may be wrong here (and about to go offline for a bit so I don't have the ability to check right away - if you do, go for it and feel free to provide correct numbers) but I believe the rated talk times for both the 3GS and the Pre were both around 5 hours. I believe the trade-off the Pre made was in thickness. IIRC it was somewhere in the neighborhood of two-thirds of an inch thick while the 3GS was a slimmer phone (a little under half an inch, maybe?)



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User currently offlineplanewasted From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3297 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 81):
The charging coil is never for free – you pay extra to have it, either by making the device bigger and heavier, or cutting the needed bulk and weight away from other components.

I would guess that the coil can be the same as the one used for NFC. I have worked with electronic hardware design and can easily think out a possible way to do it. Not sure though.  


User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2725 posts, RR: 8
Reply 85, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Agree there . Some things I like and some not bothered about but in general quite happy with it . I see LH and UA were first to embrace PB. Got my Apps updated .

Still trying to figure this out...

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
It doesn't take an iPhone owner to know that the maps are a step in the wrong direction for Apple

The maps are a huge step forward. Much better that the Google maps...



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Quoting windy95 (Reply 85):
The maps are a huge step forward. Much better that the Google maps...

I think you are in a very small minority with that opinion. While some people might think that the whole maps thing is being overblown, most agree that it isn't yet up to par with Google Maps.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 87, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Quoting planewasted (Reply 84):
I would guess that the coil can be the same as the one used for NFC.

As far as I'm aware that's indeed being tried, but it doesn't solve the problem.

That it also forces the use of a plastic case is another drawback.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

Here was me thinking this thread was about iOS 6!!

A few rapid fire comments of mine

-Siri seems just as useless as before
-I like that now if you tap when in Facetime it shows the top bar, handy so I don't run out of battery.
-Probably won't use it over 3G though at rough calculations of 6MB a minute, still haven't upgraded my plan from the 4 with a measly 1GB of usage.
-Nice how they now tell you how much a Facetime call uses!
-Don't really like the blue bar at the top of the screen
-New keypad, AppStore and Music all look much better
-Autobrightness seems noticeably more intelligent than it used to.
-Safari could have REALLY done with an update, compared to Chrome for iOS it is very far behind, wish I could set Chrome as default browser...
-Panorama is a nice feature, think I've seen it before in a third party app though
-The changes from a long list of bars to icons to share photos and things is much better
-Battery life seems unaffected by the update
-Passbook seems useless for mine at the moment and flawed for mine at the moment
-Maps has been discussed to death...


Think I'm going to hold out for the Lumia 920 though. If the iPhone 5 had NFC I'd already have one in my hands, the thought of being stuck behind the 8 ball for the next 2 years as a large number of merchants roll out NFC terminals frightens me a great deal.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 89, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
-Siri seems just as useless as before

It's gotten a lot more useful here in Germany – especially the local services integration is a big step forwards. App launching is also nice.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
-Safari could have REALLY done with an update, compared to Chrome for iOS it is very far behind, wish I could set Chrome as default browser...

I recommend iCab mobile; No spying, tons of useful functionalities, such as full screen and ad filters.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
-Battery life seems unaffected by the update

Same here so far.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
-Passbook seems useless for mine at the moment and flawed for mine at the moment

Beg your pardon?

I'll have to see whether I'll come across services using it, but it's at least potentially intriguing and useful.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
Think I'm going to hold out for the Lumia 920 though. If the iPhone 5 had NFC I'd already have one in my hands, the thought of being stuck behind the 8 ball for the next 2 years as a large number of merchants roll out NFC terminals frightens me a great deal.

You're frightened of not having yet another, nonessential, redundant payment method with potentially severe security implications? Come on: Relax!
 

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
-Maps has been discussed to death...

Just for everyone's entertainment:

http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1745.html
(Don't miss the JoyPoll!)


User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3252 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 68):
Let me illustrate my point a bit better with a couple of additional images of Shibuya Station, one of the biggest transportation hubs in Tokyo, and home to the famous statue of Hachiko the dog ; ) Having a good map here is invaluable as you can sort through the maze effectively and choose what exit is best for your destination, that's what maps are for right?

Here's Shibuya according to Google:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news/imgs/d/0/d098c6f1.jpg

Here's Shibuya Station according to Apple Maps:

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/nana_news...8.jpg

Except that is Shinjuku.... It's clearly written on both maps.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 78):
Not really. The topological road information appears to be identical (which is what turn-by-turn navigation needs). What's still missing is the geometrical information about buildings and other structures which are not relevant to road traffic.

Since hybrid view with satellite images is already available and appears to be working properly, the missing building outlines in pure map view are not my prime concern (I'm generally using hybrid view anyway, so I hadn't really noticed the change there).

And in a large metropolitan city, that information is useless. For Tokyo in particular, the orientation of buildings and subways stations IS important for daily navigation. Without information on subway exits, you could be wasting a huge amount of time when attempt to arrive at a new location.

I think the problem is that you just look at it if were a toy, not a tool.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 91, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 69):
And then there is Siri, introduced just 11 months ago. Yeah sure there was basic level voice recognition. But nothing as advanced as Siri is. And due to Siri, Samsung have released S-Voice and Google have released Google Now/Voice (forget what it's called).

You do know that Apple didn't create Siri, right? Siri was a third party app that Apple purchased and integrated into iOS. I don't consider that to be very innovative on their part.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 92, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 89):
Just for everyone's entertainment:

  

Very well-done!


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Reply 93, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3157 times:
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Try the NAVIGON (Garmin) app for the iPhone/IOS -- then you can forget about the quibbling about which built-in Map App is better.

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($99 at the app store).



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3143 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 89):
You're frightened of not having yet another, nonessential, redundant payment method with potentially severe security implications? Come on: Relax!

C'mon you can't talk non-essential but say Passbook is good! Sure it isn't essential to my existence as a human being, but then neither is an iPhone, even if you may disagree.   It isn't redundant at all, it makes carrying credit cards around with me redundant, I can also easily see integration with any loyalty cards or what have you, similar to Passbook. In fact I think Passbook would work quite well integrated with NFC.
As for security, my bank presently encourages people to buy iCarte cases for their iPhones and provides a full guarantee on any authorised transactions provided you protect your password. Not my job to worry about the security when the only downside is inconvenience, only to consider the upsides!


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 95, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 90):
And in a large metropolitan city, that information is useless. For Tokyo in particular, the orientation of buildings and subways stations IS important for daily navigation. Without information on subway exits, you could be wasting a huge amount of time when attempt to arrive at a new location.

I think the problem is that you just look at it if were a toy, not a tool.

You missed my point.

In most cases the routing to a specific exit of a train station is not the crucial issue. So >95% of all navigation cases are already covered decently, even in cites.

I've nowhere said that the current state was complete and perfect for absolutely every case, just that I see them setting reasonable priorities.

That is a completely different kind of view.

I don't get all the end-of-the-world handwringing about this. Yes, it's a step down in several respects, but also yes, it is practically certain that it's a temporary one, also one which will likely be open to personal choice as soon as the separate Google Maps app will be online.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 94):
C'mon you can't talk non-essential but say Passbook is good!

I see the potential, but above all I'm very, very far from being "frightened" about not having it or any other feature.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 94):
It isn't redundant at all, it makes carrying credit cards around with me redundant, I can also easily see integration with any loyalty cards or what have you, similar to Passbook.

I don't see any future in which it would be likely that I could ever leave my wallet at home due to NFC. And if that's not the case, it's effectively redundant.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 94):
As for security, my bank presently encourages people to buy iCarte cases for their iPhones and provides a full guarantee on any authorised transactions provided you protect your password. Not my job to worry about the security when the only downside is inconvenience, only to consider the upsides!

I was not talking about the transactions per se (although I do in fact not relish the thought of Google aggregating my personal shopping history, down to every product I happen to be purchasing, for sale to their highest bidders).

I'm talking about NFC being a vehicle of cracking the actual phone!
This is already possible with several Android phones, including a full takeover and private data extraction.

It is a permanently open interface with deep system integration and vulnerability against unnoticed exploitation. Not the kind of thing I want on any of my systems without a really compelling reason.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 95):
I don't see any future in which it would be likely that I could ever leave my wallet at home due to NFC. And if that's not the case, it's effectively redundant.

That is a shame you don't see the potential. If I look in my wallet, I have a total of 10 cards in there, 4 already have NFC chips in them, 4 have barcodes or simple numbers on them, 1 credit card with magnetic strip only and my drivers license. If I only need at absolute most 1 or 2 cards on me then it is much easier to not carry a wallet at all.
I also don't mean just NFC, rather an integrated NFC with a passbook type app.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 95):
I'm talking about NFC being a vehicle of cracking the actual phone!
This is already possible with several Android phones, including a full takeover and private data extraction.

It is perfectly natural for brand new technology to have a hurdles, many of the issues that I read in this article seem software specific rather than inherent flaws in the technology. Just different methods of attack that the manufacturers haven't yet considered in their still maturing technology. Charlie Miller has also managed to hack into iPhones too however you wouldn't advocate me not purchasing an iPhone just because of that would you? He even managed to get a malicious app past the guardians of the app store. No system is perfectly secure, not NFC and not even your shiny iPhone 4S.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 95):
I'm very, very far from being "frightened" about not having it or any other feature.

By no means am I frightened however I do not wish to intentionally place myself behind the technological curve by purchasing a product that doesn't have a feature I believe to be useful and that will become even more useful over the life of said product.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3107 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 91):

Yes, I do realise this. However, it wasn't particularly a major, well known app. Apple purchased Siri and completely integrated it into the entire OS and are continuing to add great features to it.

That was clearly innovative enough that when Siri was just an app, nobody really cared, but once Apple integrated it as a personal assistant into iOS for particular devices, Google and Samsung just had to bring out their own version.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 98, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 96):
That is a shame you don't see the potential. If I look in my wallet, I have a total of 10 cards in there, 4 already have NFC chips in them, 4 have barcodes or simple numbers on them, 1 credit card with magnetic strip only and my drivers license. If I only need at absolute most 1 or 2 cards on me then it is much easier to not carry a wallet at all.
I also don't mean just NFC, rather an integrated NFC with a passbook type app.

The problem with NFC is that it is leaking your identity all over the place by its inherent nature without you having any means of taking control yourself.

Unless you're carrying a wallet with an NFC shield (which would be impractical for those frequences), you're effectively traceable as you walk past anyone interested to know.

This technology is in my view a typical example of an ill-considered, shortsighted and premature deployment of an immature technology before really considering the implications. And I've held that view long before the question of the iPhone ever having it even came up, just in case you're wondering.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 96):
It is perfectly natural for brand new technology to have a hurdles, many of the issues that I read in this article seem software specific rather than inherent flaws in the technology. Just different methods of attack that the manufacturers haven't yet considered in their still maturing technology.

Buffer overflows are standard vulnerabilities. Not properly checking for those in a new, unprotected "always on" interface is extremely negligent.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 96):
Charlie Miller has also managed to hack into iPhones too however you wouldn't advocate me not purchasing an iPhone just because of that would you? He even managed to get a malicious app past the guardians of the app store. No system is perfectly secure, not NFC and not even your shiny iPhone 4S.

I am very judicious about what I'm exposing where.

And iOS is actually one of the most secure mobile platforms at this time if used properly and with care.

One of my reasons for not skipping the iPhone 4S was that the boot ROM exploit from the older models (which could bypass some of the hardware encryption in the older devices) had been fixed in it, making it – at the current state of information – effectively impossible for a thief to get at its content (the same fix was implemented from the iPad 2 onwards, but also only with the new iPod Touch 5th gen.).

I keep Bluetooth disabled on my iPhone unless directly needed (and in a reasonably safe environment). I use restrictive WiFi settings (no public access points are automatically joined). I use a browser with additional safety features and cookies suppressed. My privacy settings allow access to sensitive information only for explicitly specified apps. I apply system updates immediately on their availability. And so forth.

My iMac main drive and my backups are encrypted. No cookies in the main browser either, also no JavaScript except for a restrictive whitelist of sites.

I pay cash when shopping in most cases.

I take security and privacy relatively serious without having any illusions, still knowing that no practical protection is absolute.

But I will with absolute certainty not willingly scatter my identity about to all observers via NFC if I can avoid it (which is unfortunately getting harder). That technology is a monumentally harebrained idea in my view, at the very least as it is being deployed at this point.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 96):
By no means am I frightened

That sounds a lot better than:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 88):
the thought of being stuck behind the 8 ball for the next 2 years as a large number of merchants roll out NFC terminals frightens me a great deal

So I'm relieved again.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 99, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3060 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 12):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19659736

It doesn't take an iPhone owner to know that the maps are a step in the wrong direction for Apple - In fact this guy compares both..

First, there were PLENTY of errors in the Google Maps. When you came across them, they were pretty obvious. I can't tell you how many times I cursed at my phone when I typed in something that I knew existed, and Google Maps told me that it didn't. And I live (as you know) in a major metropolitan area, not some little cow town.

Second, I absolutely reject your premise that you don't have to use the Apple Maps to know it's a step in the wrong direction. If you are an actual apple user, you can tell someone based on your actual experiences how often the map app gives you good information or bad. I've been using it for a few days now, and not once have I gotten bad information. But I will say, the addition of turn by turn directions is very nice.

Third, good to see you posting again.  



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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 95):
You missed my point.

In most cases the routing to a specific exit of a train station is not the crucial issue. So >95% of all navigation cases are already covered decently, even in cites.

I've nowhere said that the current state was complete and perfect for absolutely every case, just that I see them setting reasonable priorities.

That is a completely different kind of view.

I don't get all the end-of-the-world handwringing about this. Yes, it's a step down in several respects, but also yes, it is practically certain that it's a temporary one, also one which will likely be open to personal choice as soon as the separate Google Maps app will be online.

Sorry, but how in the world does turn by turn navigation between two random points that don't resemble the users' origin and destination count as ">95% of all navigation cases are already covered decently, even in cites."??


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 101, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2916 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 100):
Sorry, but how in the world does turn by turn navigation between two random points that don't resemble the users' origin and destination count as ">95% of all navigation cases are already covered decently, even in cites."??

What are you talking about?

All the routes I have checked out here in Germany were exactly correct, including their proposed alternates. And that seems to be the prevailing experience other users have.

Of course the exceptions are much more heavily publicized, but the boring fact appears to be that in by far most cases the new mapping system actually works properly.

Also being able to navigate to specific exits of a particular train station would certainly be nice for extreme cases like yours, but even different exits are anything but "random points that don't resemble the users' origin and destination". That's ludicrous hyperbole.


User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2927 times:

maps = killer app for taxi drivers*

* 4x4 taxi only


the app has me driving through fields and taking a tour around the zoo just to get home.


User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 103, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 102):
maps = killer app for taxi drivers*

* 4x4 taxi only


the app has me driving through fields and taking a tour around the zoo just to get home.

But it just works!(tm)


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11348 posts, RR: 52
Reply 104, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 102):

the app has me driving through fields and taking a tour around the zoo just to get home.

It's hard to verify that without posting your home address on the internet (which I beg you not to do).

But can you give us an example of such a route, not to your house?



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User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2215 posts, RR: 8
Reply 105, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2858 times:

Maps in my humble is the beta, Apple will take like 2 years to get on par with Google maps.

We have other options if the flawed version we have now is not as good as google's.

I guess Apple rushed maps because its going on an all out war against google ..hence android. in the meantime some of us will suffer for it.
I don't care since my car has Nav built in and I never use the phone for such things. So for ME its irrelevant but a lot of users find it important.

my .02 cents



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 106, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Interesting perspective on Maps by Daniel Eran Dilger:
Inside iOS 6: What's wrong with Apple's new Maps


User currently offlineN776AU From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 762 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

I'd like to upgrade on my ipod touch, but I don't want to deal with a tethered jailbreak. 'Til an untethered one comes out I shall wait patiently  


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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 104):
But can you give us an example of such a route

have a look
iend


the upper is google and correct. the lower is iphone maps.

the start is even better because the iphone doesn't bother using roads!


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 109, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 108):
the lower is iphone maps.

It looks like it is routing you to a bus stop or train station using public transportation, which happens to be a bus that uses the route shown on your screenshot.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 561 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 109):
routing you to a bus stop or train station

both are dictions for a car.

Google takes you to the metro (as requested)
iphone takes you to a bus stop marked as a train!

istart


this is the start. The maps don't show the fence or guardrail you need to cross.

I could understand if this was in some remote village but Madrid..


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 111, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Tim Cook has published an open letter regarding Apple Maps.

Regardless of the actual extent of any troubles, it's the proper response to the public attention they've received.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 112, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2457 times:

I lost the YouTube app on my iPad2 in the latest update. WTF?!

And the app is no longer to be found in the Apple Store. You gotta be kidding me!



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2455 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 112):
lost the YouTube app on my iPad2 in the latest update. WTF?!

And the app is no longer to be found in the Apple Store. You gotta be kidding me!
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/0...-youtube-app-from-iphone-and-ipad/


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 114, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 112):
And the app is no longer to be found in the Apple Store. You gotta be kidding me!

No, it's still there: http://itunes.apple.com/app/youtube/id544007664

Google just hasn't made an iPad version yet and it's not universal, so you won't see it if you're looking just for iPad apps. I came across that as well.

[Edited 2012-09-28 20:16:12]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 115, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 114):
[No, it's still there [/quote]

I had the app before the update, now it's gone. I looked for it in the App Store, not there either.

[quote=Klaus,reply=114]Google just hasn't made an iPad version yet

Again, I had the app. It was already on my iPad2 when I bought it. There was an app made. See reply 113.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 116, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 115):
Again, I had the app. It was already on my iPad2 when I bought it. There was an app made.

The ad-free YouTube app Apple had made had been part of the standard iOS set. It is no more.

Now you either have to use the browser or use Google's ad-laced app from the App Store.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 117, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2424 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 115):
Again, I had the app.

We all had the app. We all lost it with the update because Apple has cut ties with Google, just like with the maps.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 118, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 117):

Understood, but Klaus says its still there......   



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2115 posts, RR: 3
Reply 119, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

So far, I've only updated my iPad 3 (the "new iPad") to iOS6. I actually kind of like it. I don't mind the maps--yes, there are a few errors here and there that I've seen--but the turn by turn is pretty nice. I used it yesterday and it got me right to my lunch meeting in Sacramento. I don't really care about 3D satellite maps.

My only complaint is a lack of traffic info in a quick, readable glance. On my iPhone, I open maps and I can instantly see appx traffic speeds on freeways. In LA, I know at a glance whether the 105 is a quick route away from LAX or if the 405 is a parking lot through Long Beach. That's why I'm hesitant to upgrade my iPhone to the new OS.

I do like that reminders FINALLY shows a badge with how many unfinished reminders there are.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4811 posts, RR: 25
Reply 120, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2408 times:
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Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 118):
Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 117):

Understood, but Klaus says its still there......


You sure?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 116):
The ad-free YouTube app Apple had made had been part of the standard iOS set. It is no more.

Now you either have to use the browser or use Google's ad-laced app from the App Store.




But as Klaus also mentioned, It's not available for the iPad yet.




[Edited 2012-09-28 22:21:17]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 121, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 120):
But as Klaus also mentioned, It's not available for the iPad yet.

You can still use the iPhone version on the iPad as well; It just won't exploit the higher resolution or the added space as long as Google doesn't make it universal or until they make a separate iPad version.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 122, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 120):
You sure?

See.......

Quoting Klaus (Reply 114):
No, it's still there: http://itunes.apple.com/app/youtube/...07664

  

I clicked on the link, he's right though.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6293 posts, RR: 33
Reply 123, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 4):
Go onto Settings and the menu has a blue tinge to it.

Mine is still gray.



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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 123):

If you're using an iPad then it it still black. If you're using an iPhone then it's a shade of blue.



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