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F1 2012: Singapore Grand Prix  
User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12388 posts, RR: 47
Posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3520 times:
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Qualifying just finished for Singapore. Hamilton blasts to pole with Vettel (P3) and Alonso (P5) comfortably slower.

DEFCON 3 alert for Hamilton and McLaren - Maldonardo starts from P2!   

Final times:
1 4 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:48.285 1:46.665 1:46.362 14
2 18 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:49.494 1:47.602 1:46.804 17
3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:48.240 1:46.791 1:46.905 14
4 3 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:49.381 1:47.661 1:46.939 15
5 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:49.391 1:47.567 1:47.216 14
6 11 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:48.028 1:47.667 1:47.241 18
7 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:48.717 1:47.513 1:47.475 17
8 10 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:47.688 1:47.529 1:47.788 16
9 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1:49.546 1:47.823 14
10 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:49.463 1:47.943 13
11 12 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:49.547 1:47.975 12
12 9 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:48.169 1:48.261 14
13 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:49.767 1:48.344 12
14 15 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.055 1:48.505 14
15 16 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:49.023 1:48.774 13
16 17 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:49.564 1:48.849 14
17 19 Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1:49.809 10
18 14 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:49.933 8
19 21 Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1:50.846 6
20 20 Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1:51.137 6
21 24 Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1:51.370 8
22 25 Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1:51.762 8
23 23 Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1:52.372 7
24 22 Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1:53.355 7


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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2596 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3504 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Thread starter):
DEFCON 3 alert for Hamilton and McLaren - Maldonardo starts from P2!

  

It was a seriously good lap from Maldonado. I just hope he can convert that into decent points and maybe a podium for Williams instead of binning it as he has done lately.

I'm somewhat surprised that Vettel only managed to qualify third given that his practice times have been stunning all weekend. 3rd's not too bad, though. He, too, will have to watch out for Maldonado at the start ...



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

I hope nothing will happen during the start. For the rest of the GP, there is no hope, we will see a couple of crashes for sure.


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User currently offlinelarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

Congrats to Vettel. And a dane on the podium for the first time in F1 history 

/Lars



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2596 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3380 times:
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Well, that was an eventful race! Unfortunately for Williams, neither car managed to finish. Right now, though, I'm just happy that Vettel won for the first time in a long time, closing the gap to Alonso. This will be an exciting finish to the championship, I'm sure  
Quoting larshjort (Reply 3):
And a dane on the podium for the first time in F1 history

 

I wonder if Red Bull takes it in turns to decide who gets to go on the podium, or if it's just randomly selected from one of Vettel's mechanics.



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User currently offlinelarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Schumacher got a 10 grid penalty for the next race because he crashed into Vergne.

Link in danish
http://sporten.tv2.dk/2012-09-23-mic...chumacher-straffet-sammenst%C3%B8d

/Lars



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3344 times:

Engines have been frozen for years, but somehow there is far less reliability this season !


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

I wonder if the gearbox failure at this critical juncture is going to cause Hamilton to go somewhere else. I wonder if he's going to take a one year extension and go to Ferrari or Redbull...hmm.

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Okay, this is the first race I've watched in a long time (the entire summer) why is it that this one was timed? Did I miss a rule change or was it a thing that they just do at Singapore?


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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2806 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
Did I miss a rule change or was it a thing that they just do at Singapore?

A Formula 1 race is usually 310-315 km and a maximum of 2 hours. If you cannot complete the amount of laps, the GP will end after 2 hours. This is not a new rule. It's been there for quite a while  



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3315 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
This is not a new rule. It's been there for quite a while

I clearly have just not been paying attention for a while then... But on the actual Singapore race, I always love watching them race under the lights. I don't however like how Hamilton had such a good qualifying only to have it thrown away by a gearbox issue.. Congrats to Vettel, hopefully he can take down Alonso.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 7):
I wonder if the gearbox failure at this critical juncture is going to cause Hamilton to go somewhere else. I wonder if he's going to take a one year extension and go to Ferrari or Redbull...hmm.

Gearbox my bad. Not a big difference it makes.

Ferrari : as long as Alonso is there, never gonna happen. Red Bull, I don't know, but I don't really see it. Clearly those (with McLaren) are the only three teams that are competitive year after year.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3260 times:
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I am shocked at what went on during the Singapore Grand Prix and in the stewards room afterwards.

Why was that evil young Frenchman Jean-Eric Vergne not disqualified and stripped of his F1 Super license.

The malice he showed reversing into that nice German boy is shameful and has no place in F1.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3252 times:

I found it refreshing overall that despite countless inquiries only a couple of deserved sanctions were applied, but this blatant inconsistency is really problematic. I mean Grosjean was penalized for an honest mistake in Spa, and here at the start several drivers just bump into him and cut the chicane to pass him, and nothing happens.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6529 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

I just saw that Webber had been sanctioned for another time he overtook outside of the track so there is that.


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3232 times:
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Due to a long work shift.. I dozed off during the race, missed some of the interesting bits, appears it is OK for some to flout the safety car rules, not OK for others to put wheels off track..
Gonna watch the race again before I comment further!!



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3229 times:

What safety car rules were flouted?

User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3225 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 16):
What safety car rules were flouted?
Quoting Autosport.com:
Vettel was summoned to see the stewards over alleged erratic driving when Jenson Button nearly made contact with him as the Red Bull driver swerved and braked to prepare for the restart.
Quoting Autosport.com:
McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh said the duo had been lucky not to crash during the incident.
"They were lucky not to have gifted Fernando Alonso a first place," he said. "I think when you weave around, then you go, and then you brake in the corner, it was very, very close and we were very lucky not to have a big accident."

Now I do note that the stewards state..

Quoting Autosport.com:
"An examination of the telemetry overlay for throttle, steering and brake traces of both cars did not indicate any erratic driving behaviour on the part of the race leader," said a stewards' statement.

"It is noted that Article 40.13 provides that the first car may dictate the pace."



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3220 times:

So nothing was flouted then.

It was very similar to an incident Button himself almost caused by driving extremely slowly while being the race leader behind the safety car a couple years ago... And the point was made there that the race leader dictated the pace.

Yup, just checked and I remembered correctly - Button caused much the same incident in China 2010, causing several incidents behind him in the pack as he suddenly slowed down at a corner, including contact between Hamilton and Webber, and several cars had to run side by side to avoid contact.

The stewards noted the same ting then - the race leader dictates the pace.

[Edited 2012-09-24 06:19:30]

User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2717 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 6):
Engines have been frozen for years, but somehow there is far less reliability this season !

Because it's really not the engine(s) that are failing. As they are frozen, and even the engine maps are now controlled, what the engineers seem to be doing is trying to get every single bit of parasitic loss out of the package. Things like the gearbox that do consume power, Vettel's alternator issues, etc. It's actually been quite some time since we've seen an engine hand-grenade and blow it's insides out thru a hole in the engine block.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 19):
It's actually been quite some time since we've seen an engine hand-grenade and blow it's insides out thru a hole in the engine block.

Bring back the goold old blowups with lots of smoke covering the whole track. Those were the days it seems like. 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10884 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

You can read my friend Rita Xiumè Singapore F1 GP race report here on the Mercedes fan blog website:
http://mercamgf1-fans.com/fans-blog/

You will also find her 2012 Monza F1 GP report on the same page following the Singapore race report and also Silverstone F1 GP further down (all 2012) with many of her nice pictures. Rita is an avid F1 race goer with much experience and unalloyed fan of Michael Schumacher.

http://mercamgf1-fans.com/fans-blog/

     



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2898 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
Rita is an avid F1 race goer with much experience

Sounds like the ideal woman!!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 21):
and unalloyed fan of Michael Schumacher

But then I guess nobody is perfect!    



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10884 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

More Singapore F1 Grand Prix pictures from friend Rita Xiumè
There are full pages of them. A really great album!

http://s1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj583/ritaxium/Singapore%202012/

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Sauber wants to sign Schumi!

           

Berlin: Sauber chief executive Monisha Kaltenborn said on Monday that the Swiss outfit were interested in signing German Michael Schumacher when his contract with Mercedes expires in 2013.
...
"Of course it's nice to think of such a possibility, that we can ask ourselves if we can get a seven-time world champion when he is on the market,"

http://sports.ndtv.com/formula-1/new...sted-in-signing-michael-schumacher

He will bring truckloads of fans and big $$$$$ sponsors to the team. Sauber has everything to gain from signing him in! Could allow a much much better car is they get those bug $$$$ sponsors!

              

[Edited 2012-10-01 10:58:46]


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3868 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2861 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 23):
He will bring truckloads of fans and big $$$$$ sponsors to the team. Sauber has everything to gain from signing him in! Could allow a much much better car is they get those bug $$$$ sponsors!

Yup, that certainly helped Mercedes, didn't it...

Magic Schumacher and his boatloads of money, going to develop an amazing car somehow...


25 ajd1992 : I think Schumacher should just retire on his $660m and be happy with what he had. Joining Sauber at his stage of his career would be embarrassing. Not
26 Post contains images GrahamHill : Schumi already drove for Sauber, when he was part of the Mercedes Junior Team back in 1991. Peter Sauber was in charge of running the Mercs at Le Mans
27 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Not at all. Schumi could very well walk in, talk to them, make an offer and buy them off. He would then become the team owner.
28 Post contains links scbriml : No he wont, he's just announced his retirement. Not too soon, IMHO. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19826983 Some would certainly dispute his f
29 Post contains images MadameConcorde : It will be a long time until we see another 7 Times F1 World Champion. You should show a bit more respect, please. He is the greatest F1 driver in Hi
30 ajd1992 : I highly doubt he would do that. Peter Sauber bought it back from BMW, he wouldn't sell it to anybody. You seem to think the ground he walks on is ha
31 moo : Not so sure he has to - respect is earned. Hardly - his titles were largely a product of being with a team that could spend an essentially unlimited
32 Post contains images MadameConcorde : We are all entitled to having different opinions. Schumi is so much more than a "good" driver. All F1 drivers are good drivers or they would not be t
33 CXB77L : Why? While I don't disagree he has achieved a lot in the sport, there is a big, big difference between respecting one's talents and achievements and
34 ajd1992 : Indeed, I am not denying your opinion, just as I have mine, however, I don't rate him as that good a driver. He's the best, on paper, sure, but theor
35 Bill142 : I've got a list of people you can tell that to. Probably the silliest thing he could do. I don't fancy Schumacher as a team principal. It would be in
36 scbriml : That "fact" is open to debate. There are several drivers from the early years of F1 that I personally would rate higher than Schumacher. That cannot
37 Post contains images stealthz : Even in his comeback.... and the rookie mistake in Singapore!!!
38 sudden : I would for sure not say he is THE greatest driver in history. Should we even start looking at his faul plays? He has nothing to say when it comes to
39 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Again, we are all entitled to having different opinions about Schumi the driver and Schumi the man. Whatever he gets into in his after-driving life I
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