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18 To Play Lottery, But 21 To Play Slots?  
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6339 times:

DISCLAIMER:
Before you all go running to my profile to figure out how old I am, I will tell you right now that I am 17. The world would be an amazing place if everyone could respect other people's opinions, regardless of age. Some other things:

Do NOT try to tell me that I'm "just too young to get it," or that "you'll understand when you're older."
Do NOT try to convince me how bad you think gambling is, or how dangerous it can be.
Do NOT ask me something like "why do you even care?" If I asked the question, then yes, I do care.
If you can't post here without taking off your "he's just a dumb teenager" goggles, then don't do it.

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Now that we've covered that, we'll get to the actual topic of the thread:

Why do you have to be 18 to play state lottery, but 21 to play slots or table games?

   Huh? Aren't they both gambling? How is guessing numbers or scratching numbers off a card any different from pulling a handle on a machine?

I'll be turning 18 in about 6 months so obviously I'll be looking forward to being able to do "a lot of things" after that date. But that's no solution to all of the dumb "21 and over" laws.

For establishments that serve alcohol (i.e, casinos) the best explanation that I could come up with is so the waiters/bartenders don't have to "card" for each drink.

So what's the reason?

Before you respond, I'll repeat my disclaimer one last time:

Do NOT try to tell me that I'm "just too young to get it," or that "you'll understand when you're older."
Do NOT try to convince me how bad you think gambling is, or how dangerous it can be.
Do NOT ask me something like "why do you even care?" If I asked the question, then yes, I do care.
If you can't post here without taking off your "he's just a dumb teenager" goggles, then don't do it.

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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11796 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6337 times:

I don't understand, either. I am 41 and have wondered, since I was 17, why the drinking age is 21 but the age to buy a gun, serve in the military, and vote is 18, but the age to drink is 21. I think Canada has the right idea and have everything be 19. Gambling, drinking, driving, military service, voting.... everything should be 19. Just my opinion.


Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlinePacNWJet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6329 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Why do you have to be 18 to play state lottery, but 21 to play slots or table games?

Most casinos also have a liquor license and therefore serve alcohol on the premises. Virtually all states in the United States limit entry to venues with a liquor license to patrons 21 years of age and older (different rules apply to restaurants that also happen to serve alcohol). On the other hand, lottery tickets are often sold at retail establishments and therefore are not age-restricted to the drinking age of 21. People who have reached the majority age of 18 can purchase a lottery ticket at a retail establishment but are not permitted to enter casinos that serve alcohol and therefore can only admit people over 21.


User currently offlinePacNWJet From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 980 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
I don't understand, either. I am 41 and have wondered, since I was 17, why the drinking age is 21 but the age to buy a gun, serve in the military, and vote is 18, but the age to drink is 21

It's a safety issue. The bottom line is that lawmakers want to minimize dangers such as drunk driving by maintaining the drinking age at 21. Why 21? Quite frankly, lawmakers would make the age limit even higher if they could get away with it but have settled on 21 because that is what the age of majority used to be in the United States before it was lowered to 18 by the 26th Amendment to the United States Constitution which was ratified in 1971.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11796 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6326 times:

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 3):
lawmakers want to minimize dangers such as drunk driving by maintaining the drinking age at 21.

Plenty of alcoholics are under 21.

If everything were 19, it would be much easier. Gambling, alcohol, tobacco, pot, voting, driving....



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently onlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5732 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):
Why do you have to be 18 to play state lottery, but 21 to play slots or table games?

For the record, that's not true in all states. Arizona being one of them where you have to be 21 to play the lottery.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineAlnessW From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6314 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
I don't understand, either. I am 41 and have wondered, since I was 17, why the drinking age is 21 but the age to buy a gun, serve in the military, and vote is 18, but the age to drink is 21. I think Canada has the right idea and have everything be 19. Gambling, drinking, driving, military service, voting.... everything should be 19. Just my opinion.
Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):
If everything were 19, it would be much easier. Gambling, alcohol, tobacco, pot, voting, driving....

   seb146, I could not agree with you more. It doesn't make any sense!

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 2):

Interesting to know.

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 3):
It's a safety issue. The bottom line is that lawmakers want to minimize dangers such as drunk driving by maintaining the drinking age at 21. Why 21? Quite frankly, lawmakers would make the age limit even higher if they could get away with it

Surely the dingbats over at MADD have got something to do with it, too...

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
For the record, that's not true in all states. Arizona being one of them where you have to be 21 to play the lottery.

I appreciate your clarification. Do you happen to know how many others there are?


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):

You're just too young. You'll understand when you get older  

No but seriously, I think it has to do with the laws coming into affect at different times. They came up with law X and set the age as 21, then law Y came along and they set it at 18, law Z for 18, etc. I think it just boils down to bureaucracy and never will make sense



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

I happen to think it's stupid. At 18, you're old enough to give life and limb for your country (I'm assuming like me, you're American going by the flag next to your username), but not to have a beer or sit down at the slots/tables in a casino, or rent a car, or in some cases...get a hotel room.

Marc


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6261 times:

Nope. Makes no sense. Nor do a lot of US laws governing personal behavior.

User currently offlineA320ajm From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6240 times:

In the UK, you can play the lottery aged 16 but have to be 18 to gamble in a casino or play on slots etc. So the age discrepancy isn't just limited to the US. It is very odd. Only thing I can think of is it something to do with listening laws on alcohol (18 in the UK, 21 in the US is it?) and most casinos here have a bar.

A320ajm



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

There are 30,40,50,60,70 year old gamblers and alcoholics too, when you're an adult you're an adult and whether or not you are responsible with it is none of my concern. That's the whole thing which pertain to personal responsibility, it is an individual choice to do with it what you will, but if you fuck it up that's not my issue. This applies to drinking,smoking,gambling and any other vice you care to name....

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6173 times:

Some states do allow those 18-21 to play in casinos, in card rooms, play Bingo as well as bet on horse and dog racing. You will find that the tribal casinos are the ones more likely to allow 18-21 patrons since many of them do not serve alcohol or do not comp them like at other casinos. While they can do this because of tribal sovereignty, some do have theirs set at 21 as part of the compact with the state the casino is in.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 5):
For the record, that's not true in all states. Arizona being one of them where you have to be 21 to play the lottery.

Louisiana (21)
Iowa (21)
Nebraska (19)


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

There is ample evidence, overwhelming actually, that lowering the drinking age to 19 raises drunk driving deaths exponentially. It is irrefutable. If 19 year olds were sitting at home getting drunk, nobody would care. They don't. They kill innocent people, and lots of them.

If a 17 year old cannot grasp that, then it is just a matter of time until maturity gives him the understanding of how that affects society at large.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6150 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 13):

There is ample evidence, overwhelming actually, that lowering the drinking age to 19 raises drunk driving deaths exponentially.

That evidence does exist in the U.S. Yet in most other countries, the drinking age is 18 or 19 (including canada) and this has not occurred. My guess is that if were lowered and it stayed lowered, there would be a bump and then it would settle down.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
That evidence does exist in the U.S. Yet in most other countries, the drinking age is 18 or 19 (including canada) and this has not occurred.

Not quite so. In Canada.....

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/roadsafety/tp-tp2436-rs200809-menu-397.htm

For 16- to 19-year-old drivers, the average annual number who drank alcohol and then were involved in a fatal crash decreased by almost 15% between 1996-2001 and 2003-2005. This improvement may in part have been the result of the zero blood alcohol concentration restrictions inherent to graduated driver licencing programs for novice drivers. In spite of this restriction, the crash involvement of this age group was still out of proportion to the number of licensed drivers.

....

Drinking drivers aged 20-24 years contribute significantly to the impaired driving problem. During 2003-2005, this age group accounted for more than 20% of drinking drivers who got into a fatal crash, yet they made up only 8% of licensed drivers.


in a nutshell,

16-19 year olds account for 4.8% of drivers and 10.7% of drinking driver fatalities.
20-24 year olds account for 8.1% of drivers and 21.6% of drinking driver fatalities.

The numbers even out from there and quickly trend the opposite with age.


User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting AlnessW (Thread starter):

Why do you have to be 18 to play state lottery, but 21 to play slots or table games?

Go figure that one out...
16 to get a drivers license...
18 to purchase a gun...
21 to drink...


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

Come to Alberta once you hit 18. You will be legal to drink and gamble all you want.
We are a little different to the rest of the country here are some of the differences
Drink AB & QC- 18, rest of Canada- 19
Drive AB- 14 (learners), rest of Canada- 16
Gamble AB & QC- 18, rest of Canada- 19
Smoke AB- 18, varies in the rest of Canada 18/19
Vote in all of Canada is 18
Join the military at 17 with parental consent

WrenchBender



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6095 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 15):
16-19 year olds account for 4.8% of drivers and 10.7% of drinking driver fatalities.
20-24 year olds account for 8.1% of drivers and 21.6% of drinking driver fatalities.

Except that sober young drivers also crash and die much more often than the average.

About the OP question, I think the main reason is alcohol laws in the US, but I could also see how the lottery is in fact not the same kind of gambling as a slot machine. Now if we talk about scratching cards it's more comparable and some people do spend all their money buying those. Also I don't know if you have this but here there is a game called Rapido, basically a lottery every 2 minutes, very addictive since you often win (but not much) and often lose for only one wrong number, making you think you almost won. Very lucrative for the government.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3722 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 18):
Except that sober young drivers also crash and die much more often than the average.

True, there has even been talk of restricting driving age limits even more, but how is that an argument for letting them drink younger?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

I am aware of the evidence that 18yo's are not as responsible as, say, 30yo's.

That said, if at age 18, you are allowed to enter into legal contracts, smoke tobacco, marry, have sex, watch an adult movie, drive a car, and vote, then it makes no sense why there should be a restriction on drinking.

These are adults. All adults should get the same legal treatment under the law. We have the 2nd amendment in spite of ample and irrefutable evidence that gun-related crime is lower when guns are illegal. Similarly, there are some "bad ideas" that might just have to be accepted.

Yes, young people do silly things. I know that. Heck, most of them know that! But from a logic and civil liberties perspective, I don't see how we can justify the discrepancy.


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 721 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6056 times:

Move to Minnesota and you won't need to worry about it. 18 to play slots and table games, as well as things like horse racing.


So we beat on against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
User currently onlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1933 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
I think Canada has the right idea and have everything be 19.

Depends on the province.

Quoting PacNWJet (Reply 2):
Most casinos also have a liquor license and therefore serve alcohol on the premises. Virtually all states in the United States limit entry to venues with a liquor license to patrons 21 years of age and older

That's what immediately jumped to my mind when I read the OP.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 15):

None of this suggests in exponential increase in fatal accidents given a decrease in the legal drinking age.  
Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
there has even been talk of restricting driving age limits even more, but how is that an argument for letting them drink younger?


It's not an argument for letting them drink younger, but rather that the point regarding driving isn't a good argument against lowering the age. Of course that will always be based on opinion more than anything.



Flying refined.
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6025 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 19):
True, there has even been talk of restricting driving age limits even more, but how is that an argument for letting them drink younger?

I just refuted your argument, didn't make one.

My argument would be to lower the drinking age limit below that of the driving limit, that way teens do know their own limits before being allowed to drive.

Aside from that enforcement of drinking and driving laws is the key, alongside good prevention.



New Technology is the name we give to stuff that doesn't work yet. Douglas Adams
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):
My argument would be to lower the drinking age limit below that of the driving limit, that way teens do know their own limits before being allowed to drive.

I've only been to cities in Europe and not the countryside, so correct me if I'm wrong. Even in most cities in America, it is very hard to get around without cars. Outside of the cities, it's almost impossible. Not trying to start a mass-transit argument, but being able to stumble out of a bar, onto a subway or bus, and then back home is a definite plus.

Also, I'm not sure why and it might be just a flawed perspective, it seems American teens are just dumber with alcohol or European teens are more responsible. I could be wrong...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
25 Aesma : In the countryside the youth drive mopeds with a 50Km/h limiter. Also alcohol will be consumed even before reaching the drinking age limit, at the fam
26 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I'm pretty sure (at least in Georgia, US) that minors may drink in the presence of their guardians. Wine isn't as popular over here though and I thin
27 Post contains images AlnessW : You must've missed my disclaimer! I couldn't agree more. That's right. You are correct there, as well. God to know. I have heard of this before. That
28 DeltaMD90 : Something to throw out there, drinking age is actually a state issue. It just so happens that all states have it at 21. The reason why, I am not 100%
29 DocLightning : Highway funds. Any state is quite free to reduce the drinking age to 18. Or 6, for that matter. But they lose their highway funds.
30 MD11Engineer : I think as for the lottery the fact that the lottery is state controlled, it is quite unlikely that there is cheating involved (even though in all gam
31 DocLightning : Never appealed to me, either. Tried it a few times, lost a bunch of money very quickly, failed to see the appeal to losing a bunch of money very quic
32 MD11Engineer : Yes, with the state lottery (at least how it works here) it is almost impossible to spend all your money on lottery tickets and to lose you home, espe
33 WestJet747 : Well I'm sure you'll notice that there is only one state that allows that...but keep in mind there are some very reasonable economic reasons for it.
34 DocLightning : Oh, it's very common and applies to a lot of things that have nothing to do with driving. Addiction is a property inherent to an individual. I'm pret
35 Maverick623 : Other way around: states have an inherent right (barring a constitutional amendment) to legislate their own drinking ages. They do not have a right t
36 Aesma : The GOP should get crazy over such abuse of power, but of course since it's to curb a sin it's OK.
37 aa757first : Of course, all of this evidence is at least fifteen years old. Age 21 laws also coincided with much more aggressive enforcement of DUI laws and, I gu
38 Post contains images AlnessW : DocLightning has it correct. Interesting to know. Perhaps, but gambling is gambling. And who says that all 21 year olds have better judgement than 18
39 WestJet747 : I can get one made for only CAD$50 up here. But when I was a teen I always went for the latter. If more than one state allowed it, it would take away
40 ha763 : It is illegal to pump in extra oxygen. What the Vegas casinos (and I would think most other ones as well) do is have higher airflow and air exchange.
41 AM744 : Sounds perverse. Is that legal?
42 planejamie : In the UK the age to drink/smoke/everything else is 18, drive 17 yet lottery & sex is 16 (regardless of sexuality/gender). So my guess is because
43 Cadet985 : For the record, I am 27, and if the question of 18 being the drinking/gambling/etc. age ever came up on a ballot, my vote would be YES for the reason
44 Post contains images AlnessW : Interesting to know. Not sure. That system makes more sense to me. The idea that all 21 year-olds are responsible and all 18-20 year olds are not is
45 Post contains images srbmod : Which why for so many years the interstates in Louisiana were the worst in the nation. I view gambling as a form of entertainment, like going to the
46 falstaff : In Illinois you can be 17 and gamble at a horse track, but have to be 21 to go to a casino. The Casino law was passed in the early 1990s, but the hor
47 Post contains images fbgdavidson : My favourite is that in the UK the age of consent is 16 but to purchase pornography you need to be 18! You can do it yourself but need to wait 2yrs b
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