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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7269 posts, RR: 5
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3953 times:

So which countries have armed police and which don't?

NZ - general duties police don't although they have access to weapons if necessary, the Armed Offenders Squad are armed as are the Special Tactics Group who are our counter terrorist police and the Diplomatic Protection Squad also carry.

Norway - General duties police don't carry weapons on them, they do have access to a weapons locker in ther car but need authourisation from the distruct commissioner to draw them. The Emergency Response Unit are armed.

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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13996 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Germany: All police officers and field customs officers (as the police force of the department of finances) carry a sidearm, together with a pepper spray.
Additionally they often have e.g. a HK MP5 submachine gun in the car (depending on the state). Special units, e.g. the SEKs or the GSG9 have heavier weapons at their disposal.
Use of the firearm will trigger an investigation, since the use is only permitted either for selfdefence or to defend others from lethal danger. The police officer´s first duty is to carry out an arrest. He is not to be judge and executioner in one person.

Jan


User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9318 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

City police usually not, although in some exceptions they may. Their main task is traffic and parking violations anyhow.

State Police is armed

Federal and Military Police as well

Customs is armed on special tasks when self defense might be necessary.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1817 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

In Spain all police are armed, be it local, regional or national..

Lately several local police forces have moved to include some gun-less officers with limited duties (parking, traffic, beaches, etc.) and with lesser pay and training.


User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1609 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3927 times:

In the Netherlands all police carry a gun. They very rarely use it though, it's headline news when shots are fired.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6601 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

In France :

Municipal police : a police employed by the town (only sizable ones), no meaningful training, no meaningful powers. About half of them wear guns after a specific 6 weeks training and only if the mayor approves of it.
National police : the police you call when in trouble, real police with guns, arrest powers etc.
Gendarmerie : the police you call when in trouble and in the countryside, same as national police except they're a military corps. A small difference is that when they do fire and hurt/kill someone, it is presumed by the justice system that they did legitimately until proven otherwise. National police doesn't have that protection (and have been on strike a few months ago about this after an incident).
Custom officers that will search trucks and cars on the road are also armed.
Private security can be armed after training, for example bodyguards for celebrities will do this.



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

UK:

Generally not armed although we do have Police who carry tasers if they are trained with them. Pepper spray is also carried as well.

The Police guarding airports are armed (Heckler & Koch MP5 I believe) as well as the Police protecting Downing Street/Buckingham Palace.

There was an incident last week in Manchester where a guy reported a break in and 2 female Officers went to the house, where they were shot and had a grenade thrown at them by the guy who had reported it. He was also on bail for another shooting in which somebody else died (Yeah, they bailed a potential murderer, work that one out....) They died unfortunately, and now there's a lot of questioning about whether ALL Police should be armed.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3843 times:

US:

Everybody has a gun.



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User currently onlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9318 posts, RR: 29
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3834 times:

Addition to Germany,

some forces carry pepper spray.

taser not allowed at all.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 5):
In France :

This, but I will add the following details:

In some sensitive areas, special national police units (such as BAC, "Anti-criminality brigade") ride around in undercover cars with helmets, knee/elbow/etc. pads. They have their service weapon, they are allowed one additional personal handgun, plus one taser gun and/or one flashball (that shoots big rubber rounds), and/or one pepper spray bottle.

Municipal police as indicated by Aesma usually don't carry guns (they VERY rarely do). However, they do usually carry handcuffs and a small bottle of pepper spray (the kind that fits into a purse... yeah..), as well as a stick (the big black one).

CRS, which is an anti-riot corps, will usually never carry lethal weapons, nor do they carry taser guns. They usually have pepper spray, a shield, elbow/knee etc. protection pads, sticks, plastic cuffs. They also very often use paintball guns to mark the individuals in the riot who are the most violent and who are to be arrested later on.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13996 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3806 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 9):
CRS, which is an anti-riot corps, will usually never carry lethal weapons, nor do they carry taser guns. They usually have pepper spray, a shield, elbow/knee etc. protection pads, sticks, plastic cuffs. They also very often use paintball guns to mark the individuals in the riot who are the most violent and who are to be arrested later on.

I´ve seen some them armed with MAS49 submachine guns, but this was some 20+ years ago.
Since they are riot police and have often to mix physically with their "clients", it makes sense to have those actually getting into the scrap not to wear a gun, since during a scuffle it can easily be stolen. But I´ll bet that there are others, armed, who will cover for them.

Jan


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
I´ve seen some them armed with MAS49 submachine guns, but this was some 20+ years ago.
Since they are riot police and have often to mix physically with their "clients", it makes sense to have those actually getting into the scrap not to wear a gun, since during a scuffle it can easily be stolen. But I´ll bet that there are others, armed, who will cover for them.

Indeed, I forgot that our anti-riot Gendarmes (not CRS, but military police equipped for riots) do carry sub-machine guns.

And BAC, which I mentioned earlier, can also carry sub-machine guns and shotguns.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13996 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 11):
Indeed, I forgot that our anti-riot Gendarmes (not CRS, but military police equipped for riots) do carry sub-machine guns.

They wear the same blue overalls and garrison cap (kepi de police), but only the badge is different, correct?
I once saw a bunch of them kicking out obnoxious bums from the Gare du Nord in Paris.

Jan


User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
Use of the firearm will trigger an investigation, since the use is only permitted either for selfdefence or to defend others from lethal danger.

Same here from a legal/policy standpoint. Since policing is largely a state/local function, application of standards varies.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
The police officer´s first duty is to carry out an arrest. He is not to be judge and executioner in one person.

Is there any place where police actually have this level of legal authority?

Edit:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 9):
Municipal police as indicated by Aesma usually don't carry guns (they VERY rarely do). However, they do usually carry handcuffs and a small bottle of pepper spray (the kind that fits into a purse... yeah..), as well as a stick (the big black one).

It would be awesome if police in the US didn't carry lethal weapons - in a lot of ways I could see it defusing the average domestic disturbance that goes bad, but unfortunately it's completely unrealistic due to the nature of the biz over here. They'd get eaten alive and their bones picked clean by douchebag criminals that would shoot you in the face right after you give them your wallet or the cash out of the register.

[Edited 2012-09-24 07:18:08]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7884 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 13):
It would be awesome if police in the US didn't carry lethal weapons - in a lot of ways I could see it defusing the average domestic disturbance that goes bad, but unfortunately it's completely unrealistic due to the nature of the biz over here.

Yeah you'd have a lot of dead cops.

Yeah, the great majority of our cops are armed. It's all department dependent, but most I've seen will have a shotgun per vehicle and/or an M-16 or M-4. A lot of times the M-16s/M-4s would be distributed so there is one per shift or the SWAT/SRT/CRT (or whatever the department calls them) has one.

Despite our local cops having such armament ^^ I've only seen cops with handguns. In Europe surprisingly I see way more cops with sub machine guns (being carried) than America. Come to think of it, I think I saw guys with rifles outside Congress but that's about it



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13996 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 13):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
The police officer´s first duty is to carry out an arrest. He is not to be judge and executioner in one person.

Is there any place where police actually have this level of legal authority?

Fortunately not in democratic countries, but I can imagine a few police states / dictatorships.

Jan


User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
Fortunately not in democratic countries, but I can imagine a few police states / dictatorships.

Jan

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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3615 times:
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Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 1):
Germany: All police officers and field customs officers (as the police force of the department of finances) carry a sidearm, together with a pepper spray.
Additionally they often have e.g. a HK MP5 sub-machine gun in the car

I just spoke with a friend of mine, who lives in Halle, Germany and is a police detective. I knew he carried a gun, but wasn't sure what kind, so I asked him. My friend carries a Walther P-6 and he said their police cars do indeed carry two sub-machine guns.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
In Europe surprisingly I see way more cops with sub machine guns (being carried) than America

I agree. I don't recall ever seeing a regular police officer with a machine gun that wasn't about to be involved in a situation where it was about to be needed. I have seen customs officers with them though.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 13):
It would be awesome if police in the US didn't carry lethal weapons

It would be nice if they didn't have to, but that won't ever happen. Law enforcement officers almost always carried guns in the US. I say almost always because I bet there are some that may not have at one time or another.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
A lot of times the M-16s/M-4s would be distributed so there is one per shift

A lot of times the sargeant would have one.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 12):
I once saw a bunch of them kicking out obnoxious bums from the Gare du Nord in Paris.

I would love to see that.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 17):
I agree. I don't recall ever seeing a regular police officer with a machine gun that wasn't about to be involved in a situation where it was about to be needed. I have seen customs officers with them though.

It hasn't always been this way in the US as I'm sure you know. At least in LA the watershed event was the 1997 North Hollywood Shootout, where two bank robbers with fully automatic weapons got in a shootout with the LAPD. At the time the majority of the local PD officers were armed with revolvers or personal 9mm semi-automatic pistols.

As far as I know that was the last time a crime was committed in the US with a fully automatic weapon. However, since then more and more local police units will give select officers AR-15s to carry in their patrol vehicle so they are never outgunned. In fact, months after that incident the Department of Defense gave several hundred surplus M-16s to the LAPD which were issued to Sargents.

Out of curiosity I looked up if law enforcement officers in Japan could carry firearms, since firearms are used in so few crimes there. Many officers can. I don't live there, so I won't draw too much from finding that information out other than being surprised that they do.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 7):
US:

Everybody has a gun.

Darn, beat me to it  
Quoting JJJ (Reply 3):
Lately several local police forces have moved to include some gun-less officers with limited duties (parking, traffic, beaches, etc.) and with lesser pay and training.

That's actually been the case for a while in the US. While "meter maids" still exist in some cities, most have merged them into a so-called "police assistant" job, unarmed, non-sworn personnel that have limited powers to write parking tickets and help with crowd control.

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 18):
As far as I know that was the last time a crime was committed in the US with a fully automatic weapon

Hardly. It may have been the last time bank robbers used fully-automatic weapons on police in an incident of attempted mass-murder, but I can assure you they're used all the time in gang-related shootings.



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6088 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3495 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 19):
but I can assure you they're used all the time in gang-related shootings.

Illegaly imported full auto weapons are fairly common in the gang/drug related crime in Detroit.



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User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3480 times:

All armed in Canada.


Cut from my post in the other threat but relevant here as why all cops should be armed.
I can speak of this as i am a cop and i carry a gun.

Now this is canada so here is a few call i dealt with were I was first on scene.

Call comes in for a domestic assault. Speaking with the victim in the parking lot someone yells he is out side. I start heading towards the house and he runs back inside. Now his kids are inside as well.

1 guys ends up barricaded in the house. Screams out the window at me. "I am going to shoot you in the fucking head you fucking cunt". Ducks down behind the window sill and comes up in a shooting stance. Guy is lucky in that he is also drunk and stumbles so I can see that he has no gun or I would have shot him.

Truck driver gets mad at this dispatch and says he is going to to his truck to get a gun and come back in and kill him. I am right there literally. I come around the corner and guy is walking from truck carrying a gun. He saw cruiser and dropped it immediately. Again I was ready to shoot even though there was a lot of people around.

Then last year we had a guy shooting up a business early. Now I thought that this business might be open and people in side being killed so I arrive on scene ready to go. As I get on scene guy walks out of building. I draw down and guy squares off with me and drops the gun. There were none in the building but we have no way of knowing that until it is over. I was so focused and scared, and stressed at the thought of getting into a shoot out i did not even notice that other officers had arrived. In that situation under that much stress do you really think that I would be able to shoot the arm or the leg? Contrary to what most think we react pretty much like any other human when faced with a stressful situation. First to go is fine motor skills. You cannot train for that as you cannot shoot real guns at each other.

The only thing that stopped me from shooting in all circumstances was something that I saw and perceived. Another cop could have come on scene and saw it differently and shot and would have been justified.

a guy I work with had a car driven at him when he was in front of a wall. Cop shots at car and it misses the driver it forces the driver to re-think what he was about to do( that can happen in the UK and tasers do not work on cars)

In there instances I did not have a time or place to call for a armed response unit. If I did not have my gun or baddie did not know I was armed he would have killed many in the few minutes waiting.


We actually had a work place shooting in where the police were trained to contain the shooter. This resulted in many more dead. same thing happened in Columbine. Here we are trained now to attack the shooter directly and shift his focus from one of killing innocent people to either trying to kill us or survival.

One thing in policing there is no absolutes. No one can say this would have happened or would not have happened.

On my last use of force training we did a training about action vs reaction. We had the bad guy sitting at a table with a gun laying on it. the cop had his gun in his hand but at his side. We had to wait for the bad guys action and then to react to it. In every single take the bad guy was able to reach the gun and shoot the copper before they could react.


gs

[Edited 2012-09-24 18:55:57]


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting greasespot (Reply 21):
In that situation under that much stress do you really think that I would be able to shoot the arm or the leg?

According to some posters here, if you can't, you shouldn't be a cop.


Thanks for your stories.



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User currently offlinedetroitflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

living in the US, its pretty much a given that every cop will carry a gun. So much so, that I was shocked to find out that they did not carry them in the UK. Ive been there many times, but just always assumed that cops carry guns on them, never really noticed that they did not.
After the two officers were shot and killed, Im suprised that they still do not want to carry guns. To me it seems almost brainless for an officer not to carry a gun; but i guess it is the state of crime here vs over there.



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User currently onlinebongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3566 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3386 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 23):
After the two officers were shot and killed, Im suprised that they still do not want to carry guns. To me it seems almost brainless for an officer not to carry a gun; but i guess it is the state of crime here vs over there.

The general consensus is that carrying a gun would have been of little use in this incident. They were lured to the property by a report of a burglary. Unless the UK is happy to routinely open their front door to police officers with their weapons drawn, a gun wouldn't have saved them. One of the officers was carrying a taser, but couldn't deploy it in time.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13996 posts, RR: 62
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

Quoting bongodog1964 (Reply 24):
Unless the UK is happy to routinely open their front door to police officers with their weapons drawn, a gun wouldn't have saved them.

Again, it is the tactical approach. Not both officers going to the front door at the same time. One standing back and watching, ready to interfere. This is how I see police operating over here. Not entering with drawn guns unless there is a strong indication of them being needed. Actually,while I have seen police officers having the hand on the holstered gun while securing in Germany, I have never seen a police officer actually drawing his sidearm.
In the Philippines and in Spain, in areas, where there was a lot of armed guerilla or terrorist activity I have been searched at roadblocks with one police officer aiming his rifle at me. But IMO they were justified because there they have terrorists, who open fire without warning. I´m sure the same applied to checkpoints in Northern Ireland during the troubles and I´ve heard that the same applied in Germany during the terrorist scare of the 1970s (I was to young to notice).
Just to say that a gun wouldn´t have saved them so no guns for everybody is ridiculous.
I´m also sure that Cregan deliberately made the call to the police for a burglary with no burglars present to be sure to have only unarmed police officers sent to him. If he would have called "burglary in progress" or "I heard gunshots in the house" the police would have sent an armed response unit there and he would have risked having some bullets fly into HIS direction. He obviously didn´t want to commit suicide by cop, so he gave himself up to a police station (by that time he was wanted for murderm, and given his record for violence and using guns, the police officers would have been justified to open fire at the slightest hint of a threat)..
I doubt that he would have carried out the attack if there had been a remote chance that he could have been shot at.

Jan


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13190 posts, RR: 77
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting detroitflyer (Reply 23):
After the two officers were shot and killed, Im suprised that they still do not want to carry guns. To me it seems almost brainless for an officer not to carry a gun; but i guess it is the state of crime here vs over there.

But the reason this story is so big in the UK, is that it is, thankfully, so very rare.
As stated, the officers were lured to a fake, routine sounding, potential burglary.
Even if armed, the nature of an ambush like this, does not mean they'd have stood that much more of a chance, after all, they were responding, they thought, to what is about the most commonly routine call they have in the police.

The last female police officer to die through gunfire, was in 2005.
After that, the police were polled on being armed, 82% did not want to be.
They know their areas, their job, the dangers, they are the best people to judge about being routinely armed.

Gun related crime is still comparatively rare in the UK.
The nature of it has changed, 30 years ago it was mainly armed robberies, of banks, cash vehicles and similar.
Now, when few are paid in cash, much reducing the amount of cash transported around, it's more drug/gang related.

Guns are however rare here, in more domestic incidents, low level crime, so most police officers do not encounter them.

Armed police are noticeable, around places like LHR, Central London.
I line next to LHR, not unusual for cops to come into a local shop with Glocks on their belts.

I noticed passing through London's Victoria station during the Olympics, that extra security involved had brought more armed officers out, the ones I saw how had Assault style rifles.
The attackers at Mumbai in 2008 had apart from AK's and grenades, body armour.
Hence the police have, for high security operations, upped from 9mm MP-5's to higher velocity weapons.

The historical and cultural reasons for having a generally unarmed police are well outlined here;
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398

[Edited 2012-09-25 11:02:47]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7884 posts, RR: 52
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting greasespot (Reply 21):

You were very fortunate in your situations. Hopefully many on here can take a lot from your post. Cops, despite their training, aren't supermen and have to make literal life and death situations in the blink of the eye then face a lawyer who has weeks to pick apart those few seconds. And unfortunately, juries are often too ignorant to know what a cop has to go through...



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3317 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
General duties police don't carry weapons on them, they do have access to a weapons locker in ther car but need authourisation from the distruct commissioner to draw them.

That used to be the case, but they can now arm themselves if they believe the situation warrants it. If they choose to do so, however, there will be paperwork required afterwards... Source: The patrol unit with whom I rode along for a patrol shift in Norway



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User currently onlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Many years ago in the UK, Armed police would generally be based at HQ's only. But at regional level there would be police officers who had "Pink Tickets", I.E. they were fire arms licensed.

Here is where it gets crazy.

If there was a need for a fire arms officer, that officer would have to go to the police station, sign out a revolver with 6 rounds of ammunition, and then attend the incident... hoping that the fire arms unit are being dispatched from the HQ which could up to 40/50 miles away, depending what end of the county you are etc.

A guy I know was a pink ticketed officer, and he once was called to a jewelers which was being held up by armed criminals, he was on his own for 2hrs armed with a revolver and 6 rounds, while the criminals inside are tooled up with shotguns and a Sten gun.

Eventually the armed unit turned up, and all ended peacefully.

Today its slightly different, Armed response units usually patrol around in high powered cars.

Weapons range carried (Varies from force to force)

LMT-Defender Semi-automatic carbine (AR-15)
Glock 17
Sig Sauer P226
Heckler & Koch MP5SF
Remington 870 shotgun
Heckler & Koch G3 rifle (Sniper)
Heckler & Koch G36 Semi Automatic



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 28):
If they choose to do so, however, there will be paperwork required afterwards

To be fair, if a cop points a gun at someone, there's probably already paperwork involved. Even in the US, firing but a single shot means a cop gets to sit at home, with pay (not even allowed desk duty) for at least 3 days, and then undergo a psych eval, filling out a ton of paperwork and having IA and a use-of-force board do their investigations before hitting the streets again.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3095 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 30):
To be fair, if a cop points a gun at someone, there's probably already paperwork involved. Even in the US, firing but a single shot means a cop gets to sit at home, with pay (not even allowed desk duty) for at least 3 days, and then undergo a psych eval, filling out a ton of paperwork and having IA and a use-of-force board do their investigations before hitting the streets again.

True. Gotta love use of force forms  



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3878 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
The Emergency Response Unit are armed.

For those who are interested, you can read more about the Norwegian Emergency Response Unit ( Beredskapstroppen / Delta Team ) here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beredskapstroppen


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