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Man Seriously Ill In London With Unknown Virus  
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 596 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2854 times:

Evening,

I just saw this surfing the web and also just now on SKY news.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/ne...ews.yahoo.com&.intl=US&.lang=en-US




Is this common? Does it happen often but just not make the news, or does it
Usually mean there may be something more to it?

It's too early to speculate it may spread but the airline industry certainly doesn't need another SARS nor
Do any humans for that matter

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

They have identified it as a coronavirus, which is the same family of virus that SARS belongs to. Coronaviridae typically cause mild upper respiratory infections.

User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):

They have identified it as a coronavirus, which is the same family of virus that SARS belongs to. Coronaviridae typically cause mild upper respiratory infections.

Thanks Doc, I thought the zombie apocalypse was about to start.........

WrenchBender



Silly Pilot, Tricks are for kids.......
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quote:

The United Nations health body said it is urgently seeking more information about the new virus, which comes from the same family as the SARS virus that emerged in 2002 and killed 800 people.

And also the same family as the common cold, which is pretty much incapable of killing an otherwise healthy person.

Gotta love the sensationalistic press.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
Thanks Doc, I thought the zombie apocalypse was about to start.........

No, that already happened:
http://asiagoans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/people-using-their-smartphones.jpg


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 3):
And also the same family as the common cold, which is pretty much incapable of killing an otherwise healthy person.

Not so fast. SARS was from the same family and definitely killed otherwise healthy people.


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
They have identified it as a coronavirus...

Is this the same cornoavirus that is passed among cats?


User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Please let this be the start of the zombie apocalypse..In the movies it always starts in london.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting greasespot (Reply 7):

Please let this be the start of the zombie apocalypse..In the movies it always starts in london.

See Reply 4. As I said, it already happened. All over the world. You might be one. I think I might be one...

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 6):
s this the same cornoavirus that is passed among cats?

Possibly. The coronaviridae are a large family of RNA viruses that infect mammals and birds. In humans, coronavirus tends to cause upper respiratory infections (colds). Coronaviridae cause hepatitis in mice, so obviously they have some breadth of niche.

http://viralzone.expasy.org/all_by_species/30.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronaviridae

There are other large virus families with which you might be familiar. Herpesviridae is a large family that contains, of course, the notorious herpes simplex virus (HSV) 1 and 2. But did you know that Varicella-Zoster virus (VZV), which causes chicken pox, is also a herpesvirus? Or Epstein-Barr virus (EBV) and cytomegalovirus (CMV), which cause mono?

While all of these viruses have morphologic and genetic similarities and are very clearly related, they all cause very different diseases. And with all herpesviruses, once you are infected, you stay infected.

[Edited 2012-09-24 21:07:58]

User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5648 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 2646 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

Not so fast. SARS was from the same family and definitely killed otherwise healthy people.

My point was that the coronavirus family is incredibly varied in the effects each one has on a person, and that the report chose one of the worse (but far rarer) ones to compare it to for the sake of sensationalizing the story.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 9):
My point was that the coronavirus family is incredibly varied in the effects each one has on a person, and that the report chose one of the worse (but far rarer) ones to compare it to for the sake of sensationalizing the story.

If someone is this sick with coronavirus, it suggests that it may well be a particularly virulent form.


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting greasespot (Reply 7):
Please let this be the start of the zombie apocalypse..In the movies it always starts in london.

That would be so awesome. I'm prepared and I have the zombieland rulebook handy.



Cheers
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 4):
Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 2):
Thanks Doc, I thought the zombie apocalypse was about to start.........

No, that already happened:

BEST POST.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12567 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 10 hours ago) and read 2493 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
If someone is this sick with coronavirus, it suggests that it may well be a particularly virulent form.

But we can't know this with any certainty without knowing the victim's medical history, no? 'Flu can kill a weak person and just make someone else feel crappy for a few days.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
But we can't know this with any certainty without knowing the victim's medical history, no?

That's why I said "suggests." One learns very quickly in my line of work to make definite statements very rarely and only when extraordinary evidence is available.  
Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
'Flu can kill a weak person and just make someone else feel crappy for a few days.

H1N1 was notorious for killing healthy young people, which is part of what made it so scary.

Quoting comorin (Reply 12):
BEST POST.

Thanks!   At least someone appreciated it!


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12567 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 4 hours ago) and read 2402 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
H1N1 was notorious for killing healthy young people, which is part of what made it so scary.

In total, I believe around 17,000 deaths were attributed to it. Other 'flu strains have killed many more.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 15):
In total, I believe around 17,000 deaths were attributed to it. Other 'flu strains have killed many more.

Yes, but this one was pretty bad. Remember that the death rate is modified by 1) the rapid availability of an effective vaccine and 2) the availability of ICU's. In 1918, for example, neither of those things were true.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1263 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Thanks for a warning. I think I will now go and buy food supplies for some years to come and build a small hut in middle of vast Finnish forests.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months ago) and read 2338 times:

well hopefully it won't turn out like SARS. Does anyone know why he was flown by
Air Ambulance from Qatar to London? More specialist care or perhaps he was living here?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19717 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2202 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 18):
well hopefully it won't turn out like SARS. Does anyone know why he was flown by
Air Ambulance from Qatar to London? More specialist care or perhaps he was living here?

My guess is that Qatar does not have the advanced facilities available in London, from negative-pressure isolation rooms to the laboratory facilities that can identify the pathogen. It's possible they have the isolation room, but the advanced laboratories required to identify a novel pathogen are pretty rare and are usually found only in major centers.


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