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The NFL Referee Lockout Must End!  
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

If you're a fan of the NFL, even a casual one, you've seen some pretty bizarre calls made by the replacement refs (hereinafter referred to as "fake refs"). We've seen completely bogus pass interference calls made. We've seen pass interference calls made when no contact was made. We've seen teams given extra timeouts. We've seen games stop for minutes so that the fake refs can figure out what is supposed to be going on. Yet despite all of that, you couldn't point to a game that the fake refs legitimately blew.

Well, now you can. The way tonight's Packers/Seahawks game ended is a disgrace to the league, and to the game in general. All you needed to see was two fake refs, standing not five feet from each other, making two different calls on the same play. How one of them could look at Tate and Jennings on the ground, see that Jennings had two hands on the ball and Tate had one, and then say that Tate had possession is beyond me. Especially when the guy standing right next to him was signaling an interception. Never mind that they never called Tate for interference basically pushing a guy out of the end zone.

This needs to end, and it needs to end now. You can't have fake refs blowing games in a league where one game determines who makes the playoffs and who doesn't. The NFL is making money hand over foot, they can afford to pay the proper officials what they deserve for being the best at what they do. You cannot have a game played by professionals officiated by amateurs.

Help us, Ed Hochuli. You're our only hope.   

-Mir


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10334 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4332 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
(hereinafter referred to as "fake refs")

I call them "refs" (with quotes).

I was rooting for the Seahawks, but that is no way to win. Certainly no way to lose for the Packers.

The Packers won the game 3 times:

1.) Terrible roughing the passer call resulting in a Seattle first down.
2.) Terrible defensive interference call resulting in a Seattle first down.
3.) Terrible doesn't even begin to describe the touchdown call. It was so bad, that the only word I can come up with is, quite simply, "wrong". And yeah, one of the most blatant offensive interferences ever. RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE OFFICIAL.

There were a whole bunch of terrible calls in the Pats-Ravens game yesterday, too. And while the "refs" didn't decide that game (the bad calls seemed pretty evenly split), it contributes to the complete chaos of the game.

They may as well call every game a tie, and credit the wins to the "refs".



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

It's an absolute joke, but Steve Young is right. We're all still watching.

Basically anything that the league says or does in regards to player safety from this time forward is a complete farce. Make this rule, fine that guy, but allow referees who are completely overmatched and do nothing to control the game.

But, based on what the Packers players are saying on Twitter, the NFL might make the money to pay the actual referees by the end of the week.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
I was rooting for the Seahawks

So was I, but even I can't defend that.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
1.) Terrible roughing the passer call resulting in a Seattle first down.

Very questionable, but not egregious. We've seen those calls before from the proper refs.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
2.) Terrible defensive interference call resulting in a Seattle first down.

Pretty egregious. Should have been offensive interference - the guy turned the defender's head around.

And then, of course, there's the final play disaster/debacle.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
They may as well call every game a tie, and credit the wins to the "refs".

If I were Mike McCarthy, I would not have sent my players back out for the extra point. Let them kick it with no defense as a show of protest of how the game ended. Let them declare a forfeit if they want to.

But I guess he's a bigger man than I.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

By the way, the Lingerie Football League has finally come out and said that some of the replacement NFL referees were fired by their league, as has been rumored for some time.

http://deadspin.com/5946112/the-ling...in-the-nfl-because-of-incompetence



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Its gotten pretty unbelievable the situation, sinking to using refs from the Lingerie Football League. I watched Pats Ravens, a few dodgy looking things but throwing and picking up flags seems ridiculous, then they need to confer and decide they messed up. I'm always impressed with the phenomenal calls that NFL refs usually get correct when commentators say no but the replay shows what happened.

This has to take the cake though.


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User currently offlineIllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4307 times:

Been a loyal Bears fan for years, but the Packers got screwed. This embarrassing display from the replacement refs is hurting the entire NFL and all of it's teams. I want to beat the Packers legitimately, not based off of completely garbage calls.

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11796 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4298 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 5):
This has to take the cake though.

I do not care for football at all.

I do, but...

well...

this is a family board.

Point is: that screen shot looks like the Packers were clearly in control of the ball. In respose to a meme on FB, I simply posted "Aw, c'mon, ref!! His foot was clearly over the blue line! Home run for the Lakers!!"



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User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2465 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4299 times:

"This is comical to me...Two of the worst calls I've ever seen at the end of the game" - ESPN Analyst John Gruden



It makes me even more upset that Pete Carroll, Golden Tate, and the The Seattle Times newspaper are completely oblivious to the fact of how badly the Packers got hosed by the refs. They actually think it was a legit win that they deserved?! I have never seen a quarter of football dominated by refs with so many blown calls. I guess Russell Wilson is the first QB in NFL history to throw a interception and win the game!



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 5):
This has to take the cake though.


I'll say this much: at least one of them got it right. But whoever is wearing #26 needs to take a long, hard look at themselves and think about whether it might be better to consider a different line of work. One in which accurate vision isn't essential.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 8):
"This is comical to me...Two of the worst calls I've ever seen at the end of the game" - ESPN Analyst John Gruden

And when Jon Gruden stops heaping praise on people, you know it's bad.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
I do not care for football at all.
I do, but...
well...
this is a family board.

At least the NFL players having padding and faceguards, the poor blokes in rugby have to go home and explain the mrs what happened on the field.

Quoting Mir (Reply 9):
But whoever is wearing #26 needs to take a long, hard look at themselves

Perhaps he's a Seahawk fan getting hi fived by his buddies, just has his Facebook on private unlike the guy who was disqualified from the Saints game after they saw his Facebook.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 963 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4276 times:

That one call was a sad, sad night for football indeed.


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10334 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 8):
It makes me even more upset that Pete Carroll, Golden Tate, and the The Seattle Times newspaper are completely oblivious to the fact of how badly the Packers got hosed by the refs. They actually think it was a legit win that they deserved?!

Dude, they're not oblivious. They know. But they're not dumb enough to come out and say, "yeah, we lost that game, but got really lucky because of terrible refs", and possibly give the NFL (more of) a reason to review that game end.

They'll just say "yay, we won" and move on to next week.

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If I were Mike McCarthy, I would not have sent my players back out for the extra point. Let them kick it with no defense as a show of protest of how the game ended. Let them declare a forfeit if they want to.

I actually stopped watching a minute after the interception, so I didn't know they actually kicked the extra point until I saw the final score online. I figured they would refuse to come back on the field. And I would have supported that.

And I hate the Packers.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
Help us, Ed Hochuli. You're our only hope.   

Ed is the man! I also like that one tough-looking black ref, though I don't know his name yet.

In a way I feel bad for the replacement refs...they probably figured they were doing a good deed by keeping football going this season but now they probably can't even show their faces in public.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21864 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 13):
Dude, they're not oblivious. They know. But they're not dumb enough to come out and say, "yeah, we lost that game, but got really lucky because of terrible refs", and possibly give the NFL (more of) a reason to review that game end.

They'll just say "yay, we won" and move on to next week.

I don't know the circumstances in which he said it, but Pete Carroll did say that it's time for the regular refs to come back. So I'll give him credit for that much.

-Mir



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4188 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
This needs to end, and it needs to end now. You can't have fake refs blowing games in a league where one game determines who makes the playoffs and who doesn't. The NFL is making money hand over foot, they can afford to pay the proper officials what they deserve for being the best at what they do. You cannot have a game played by professionals officiated by amateurs.

If NFL fans for a few weeks don't watch or buy tickets then it will end in a heartbeat. Whether or not the league can afford to meet the proposal for the refs which they can is not relevant.

We need to boycott the NFL, however I want to watch games more to see how the mess up  .

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
It's an absolute joke, but Steve Young is right. We're all still watching.

  



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12947 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
Never mind that they never called Tate for interference basically pushing a guy out of the end zone.

And didn't have the testicular fortitude to reverse themselves after watching the replays. It doubles their shame.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
There were a whole bunch of terrible calls in the Pats-Ravens game yesterday, too. And while the "refs" didn't decide that game (the bad calls seemed pretty evenly split), it contributes to the complete chaos of the game.

The game was memorable for the most full-throated chorus of "bullsh*t" ever heard on US television. Micheals and Collingsworth sat silently for most of it, to make sure the message got through.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Basically anything that the league says or does in regards to player safety from this time forward is a complete farce. Make this rule, fine that guy, but allow referees who are completely overmatched and do nothing to control the game.

Uhm, no, the NFL's greed in nickel and diming the refs, which is asinine, does not render farcical all the things it's done to promote player safety.

Thanks again for the trip to The Outer Limits.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4135 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 8):
It makes me even more upset that Pete Carroll, Golden Tate, and the The Seattle Times newspaper are completely oblivious to the fact of how badly the Packers got hosed by the refs. They actually think it was a legit win that they deserved?!

You have to understand though: people in Seattle believe they are owed bad calls to them based on what happened to them in Superbowl XL.

YES!! They are still complaining about that.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Yes, and i am one of them. Seattle lost that superbowl because of the refs being in pittsburg pocket.

I was actually shocked that seattle just had a bad call go for them. Still
I would have prefered a cleaner win to show the dominance of the resurgent Seahawks.

But at the end pf the season a W is going to count as a W no matter who was refereeing the game



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12947 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 18):
You have to understand though: people in Seattle believe they are owed bad calls to them based on what happened to them in Superbowl XL.

YES!! They are still complaining about that.

The right thing to do, immediately, is to award Green Bay the game, because it's 100% clear how the game really ended.

Can you imagine the uproar in Seattle if that happened?

Apparently there is some sort of written statement to be issued by the NFL shortly.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4079 times:

Thet arent going to change the outcome of the game. It would create a big problem with every other team that thinks they go hosed by the scabs tring to get their games changes Bill complaining about the Ravens win the night before being one that could get interesting.

The league will say the score stands snd hope it dies diwn by next weekend



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
Thet arent going to change the outcome of the game. It would create a big problem with every other team that thinks they go hosed by the scabs tring to get their games changes

I can only imagine the impact of a reversal on the betting world...


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Yup.

Still it is nice for Seattle to be on the right side of a questionable call for once. Apparently the scabs didnt get the memo about holding them back.

It is also fun watching all the Velveeta heads complaing and melting down. A Green Bay fondue.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11569 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
Seattle lost that superbowl because of the refs being in pittsburg pocket.

 

Case in point.

Seattle lost because they were outplayed. But let's get back to NFL 2012.


Actually, real question: will Madden 2012 have random referee calls go against what actually happened? That would be awesome.  



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25 L-188 : Thats your opinion DLX, doest mesn the words , "Rothesberger Sacked" will ever stop being funny
26 Mir : Which is ridiculous. Nothing in that Super Bowl compares to how egregiously bad this call was. You want to say that the pass interference call on tha
27 L-188 : I think the cheese heads need to consider that if Green Bay's offensive line had shown up for the game it might not have come down to the last call
28 WestJet747 : You could say the exact same thing about the Seattle-Pittsburgh game you were whining about. What happened before the horrible call(s) doesn't matter
29 L-188 : You realize that if the call went the other way we would be talking about hiw poirly the packers play. Rodgers goibg to thr turf eight times in the fi
30 WestJet747 : I do, which is something that was entirely within the control of the Packers. The reffing is completely out of the control of both teams, which is wh
31 BMI727 : Yes it does. The players are taking advantage of the substitute teachers to engage in illegal hits and extracurricular activities. You see dangerous
32 ER757 : Right with you here - I always hope for GB to go 0-16 every year, but this was just silly. The entire NFL week 3 was an officiating disaster, this wa
33 bhill : "The Seahawks were outplayed???!!!" Right....9 sacks!!! This would not be an issue if the score was was not 7-6 at the half or the game decided in THE
34 Ken777 : This problem could be solved in a matter of hours IF the owners pushed for a settlement. My bet is that they will not be willing to spend the money to
35 vikkyvik : What's your point? The Seahawks didn't outplay the Packers either. Seahawks had a good 1st half, GB had a good 2nd half. So basically, you're saying
36 AM744 : That would be hilarious. LOL.
37 Silver1SWA : As bad as the Packers played in the first half, Seattle still went to halftime with only 7 points. You can make many arguments about how either team s
38 bhill : GB had a good 2nd half? Really? It was SOOOOO good the game had to be decided in the last 8 seconds...Seems to me if the Packers are so great and migh
39 Post contains images WestJet747 : Yeah, cause it's not like the NFL is going to try to cover their asses or anything... I like how the NFL leaves out the part in between the shove and
40 Post contains links and images srbmod : Three weeks of regular season play and these replacement refs are still causing a lot of controversy. If not for their questionable/bad calls, it's fo
41 Post contains images casinterest : I like this solution. Would be fun to see. Checking, 2 minute penalties. Icing on deep passes. Could be fun.
42 BMI727 : The NFL publicly condemns betting, but privately they love it. They know it drives a ton of interest and viewership for their leagues and tacitly ena
43 ER757 : Yep - if they'd have been able to get a first down on their final possession, they would have run out the clock. Did the get hosed on that last call?
44 vikkyvik : Ha, when did I say the Packers were great and mighty? Clearly you don't read, or you'd know I was rooting for the Seahawks. I hate the Packers. Anywa
45 L-188 : There is an article on Durge that estimates that $150 to 300m in bets where dependent on the outcome. One estimate had it as high as a billion. You ca
46 srbmod : There weren't any NFL games during the 1982 strike. The replacement players were during the 1987 strike. It should be interesting to see what the ult
47 ltbewr : I 'bet' there will be huge pressure by the sports books in Vegas on the NFL to get the regular refs back. Setting lines has become very difficult, too
48 Revelation : Ok, so how does this situation render farcical the rules put in place, let's say, for defenseless receivers in order to reduce the chance of concussi
49 BMI727 : The rules aren't being enforced. Illegal hits are going unnoticed and guys are practically throwing punches after plays and the substitute teachers w
50 corocks : While it is clear that the replacement refs are well over their heads, I still support the owners to some extent on this one. Some of the refs demands
51 BMI727 : Except that it isn't. The fine/suspension mechanisms are unaffected by the referee lockout, and yet games are descending into virtual anarchy on a re
52 Post contains images StarAC17 : They get paid way too much for the NFL's taste . All fair points if true, I haven't heard anything regarding a pay raise of 50% butI have read the bi
53 3DoorsDown : I disagree. It was a win no matter how. I am sure if the tables were turned and the receiver was a Packer and the defender a Seahawk, the Packers wou
54 Pyrex : Not sure I understand what is going on, and what people are going on about... isn't the whole purpose of the NFL to punish success and reward mediocri
55 Post contains links mke717spotter : Aaron Rodgers pretty much tore apart the NFL's response to how the end of the game was handeled: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/171216511.html A
56 ltbewr : Several coaches have been fined for their anger toward the sub officials this week and last. Some like the Patriot's Belichick should be suspended for
57 WestJet747 : The highest paid ref in the NFL makes $150k...the lowest makes $25k. During a broadcast on the weekend, they said that the average NFL ref makes the
58 vikkyvik : Well then we might as well get rid of refs altogether. What's the point, if there's no affect on player safety? I'm aware, and didn't say otherwise.
59 Post contains links and images bohica :
60 Asturias : I want the actual referees back, yesterday. This is amateur hour. I can't be bothered with watching more games with these sorry excuses for referees,
61 Post contains images bohica : I proudly present next weeks referees: It can't be any worse.
62 BMI727 : That's one point I've heard raised this morning that I hadn't considered: how lucky is the NFL that this happened to the Packers? What would it have
63 AirframeAS : As a Seahawks fan, I have to say that's very well said! With that in mind, everyone needs to stop bashing the Seahawks and the Packers. They didn't a
64 StarAC17 : Socialism works in sports. It turns off the casual fan if the same team few teams win again and again because they have money, also without revenue s
65 Revelation : How does that make the rules themselves, and the process that has improved player safety via improved rules, farcical? What principal is that, the ri
66 Post contains links and images helvknight : Better than this weeks
67 AirframeAS : It's about damn time! This Seahawks play will now go down into the books that woke up Goodell and set him straight.
68 Revelation : FWIW: NFL Rule Book: "It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."
69 Ken777 : So let the guys in Vegas put pressure on the owners. All of them? Of course it does. Works in all sports - the more profitable the sport the bigger t
70 Post contains images BMI727 : The rules aren't being enforced. But more than that, the decision to go ahead and use replacement refs means that anytime the NFL says that player sa
71 Revelation : Ok, not their top priority, but also not the same as no priority at all, doesn't mean situation is "farcical". If it was the "top" priority, by your
72 Ken777 : And replace them with who? The guys working the games now? Actually, yesterday's meeting was set before the game. Might have impacted some of the own
73 AirframeAS : You may be correct but the play alone impacted the whole lock out greatly. We should be thanking the Seahawks and the Packers for this, IMO.
74 ER757 : Mr. Rodgers (and you) conveniently neglect to mention the bad calls that went against Seattle in the game. For an example, there was a phantom PI cal
75 Post contains links Ken777 : And a unique bit of news: "Las Vegas casino offers refund to Packers-Seahawks bettors" http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...awks-game-20120926,0,173
76 corocks : Matter of perception - can't say I have seen any virtual anarchy. Been plenty of illegal hits before the replacement refs. Maybe the players should b
77 AirframeAS : The next level down, you realize, would be the high school refs, right? The current replacement refs are from NCAA D3. None if the D2 or D1 refs woul
78 BMI727 : Have you been paying attention? More games than not are getting a bit chippy on play after play and it's going unpunished by the refs. What do you th
79 Mir : It should be blatantly obvious how difficult the job of an NFL referee is. We may not have known it before, but we sure as hell know it now. And when
80 Post contains links QFA380 : All over thank the Lord! http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...es-agreement-officials-end-lockout
81 Pyrex : Correction - every sports league in the U.S. The rest of the world seems to get along just fine without rewarding mediocrity, including the most popu
82 Post contains links bhill : New photo angle....look at the feet.... http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawk...og/2019265422_presented_witho.html Right....
83 L-188 : It wont shut the cheeseheads up but that confirms Tate had possession
84 Post contains images WestJet747 : And here I was thinking you gain possession by catching the ball with your hands and not your feet. Silly me... We get it, you don't like football. Y
85 Silver1SWA : Uh, go back an reread that conversation. He's saying the NCAA D1 and D2 refs aren't interested in being scabs during this lockout but they'd be avail
86 bhill : Westjet....that's the other football....where they actually work the whole game.....not take a break every commercial....
87 Mir : Bull. Jennings has possession first. He goes to the ground, maintains possession throughout, and thus intercepts the pass. Whatever Tate does is inco
88 Post contains images Revelation : The normal sequence is to get guys from the top ranks of college football, train them up, and then work them into the crews starting with the less cr
89 Post contains links bhill : Mir, the picture clearly shows that the person with BOTH feet on the ground FIRST had possession...a reception does not occur until: Rule 8, Section 1
90 bhill : Yeah?...never observed a soccer player putting his open hands in another guy's crotch tho ...or slappin' each other on the ass....
91 AirframeAS : Uhhh, ESPN said on tv after the SEA game Monday night and also the very next morning that they came from D3. That's the only source I got.
92 Revelation : D3, meaning Division 3, two big stops down from the top, three huge steps down from the NFL. For baseball fans, that would be as if Single A umps too
93 Mir : It really doesn't. You can barely see the ball in that picture. Even if Tate did manage to get both hands on the ball and both feet down, he still ha
94 Silver1SWA : You need to go back and read the conversation in this thread... They aren't talking about the current replacements and where they came from! A hypoth
95 Asturias : So. There is no single image, sound or tangible proof that Tate ever had posession. For that one needs to actually hold and maintain the ball. Nobody
96 Post contains images bohica :
97 Post contains images Asturias : Mir is quite correct. That photo shows nothing, it doesn't even show Tate's right hand, but either way it's irrelevant because if (and that's not the
98 D L X : This is the quote of the year. Absolutely true, and boils the whole damn thing down to one easily swallowed idea. Without this play, the old refs do
99 AirframeAS : Yeah, Community College Refs. Silver, friggin relax, ok?! All I'm saying is what ESPN said. That not my quote. That came FROM ESPN, not me. Relax!
100 Silver1SWA : I just don't know what relevance that has to the quote you replied to, that's all.
101 Mir : Would still be, but probably only for a couple more weeks. This sort of thing was inevitable - that a deal got done so soon is testament to the fact
102 Maverick623 : LOL. I love the people whining that the regular refs make $100K+/yr, claiming it's "unfair". Guess what: supply and demand. As we have seen (and as th
103 AirframeAS : Oh, for me, I don't care how much they make. They know how to control the game much better than the replacement guys. This isn't a knock against the
104 mke717spotter : So the regular refs were back this week, but you wouldn't have known it by watching the Packers-Saints!!! Three more BAD blown calls going against Gre
105 AirframeAS : I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Green Bay did get the win. That's all that matters.
106 Revelation : I started Sun by watching NE-BUF and got a sense there that it was very good to have the real refs back in place. The fake refs were all over the plac
107 L-188 : The packers only won that game because of the holding call against tge saints during the last field goal kick. There was no hold in any of the replays
108 Asturias : Yeah, I'm going to chalk this one up to first-game pressure for the refs. Normally I find no particular fault with Triplette and his crew, I was surp
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