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The Return Of The "American" Station Wagon?  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11084 times:

After the death of the Dodge Magnum in the American market, there has not been a "traditional" station wagon offered by a domestic automaker as numerous cross-over-vehicles (known as CUVs) have flooded the market with vehicles that are smaller than traditional SUVs, taller than the traditional stations, and offering all-wheel drive. Seemingly, the CUV is now suffering from "image problems" similiar to the image held by mini-vans (soccer mom-mobiles, suburban mommie-mobiles, there are numerous unflattering names). Some of these CUVs are huge (the Buick Enclave, Chevy Traverse, GMC Acadia) - as large as a full-sized traditional SUV like the Yukon or Tahoe, but being on a unit body instead of a rugged body-on-frame construction, the CUVs are usually lighter weight than their truck-based counterparts.

2014 Opel Insignia / Buick Regal Wagon


Ford Mondeo/Fusion Wagon


Well, in an effort to capture younger, more "hip", more urban, upwardly mobile buyers that have been buying the VW Sportwagen or the Volvo XC-series tall wagons - GM is going to market a Buick Regal station wagon for the 2014 model year according to the automotive press, and the press has now definitely captured test mules of this new Buick (and definitely NOT a Opel Insignia!!) being hot weather tested in the Mojave Desert. In response, it is now believed that Ford will market the European market Mondeo station wagon (official photos above) as a Fusion in the USA, to battle the upcoming Regal station wagon. Word is that Chevrolet could also "easily" market a station wagon version of its Cruze sedan here - GM had previously said that it has absolutely no plans to sell the European/Asian market Cruze wagon in America, but GM also stated that they had no absolutely no plans to sell the diesel-engined Cruze here, which they have now announced that Chevy will now sell in North America in 2013. These wagon models are all fuel-efficient (helps with the federal government's CAFE standards) and the engineering and tooling is already "baked in" so there are minimal costs for these variants.

I don't know about the rest of the motorheads, but I think the idea of 21st century Buick and Ford station wagons is uber-cool!!

Source and more photos: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-buick-regal-sport-wagon-spy-shots


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User currently onlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11596 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11064 times:

meh...

I am one guy who likes road trips with my partner. I am going for a VW Golf. Good gas mileage and reliability. Around here, I am seeing more and more small cars and not so many road warriors. These ones don't impress me much.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11056 times:

If I ever drove an American Station Wagon it would not doubt be this one:
http://image.automobilemag.com/f/30508682+w750+st0/2011-cadillac-CTS-V-wagon-black-diamond-edition-front-three-quarter.jpg

I do like the style of both of those two also though.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39859 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11052 times:

Any effort to bring back the station wagon is a noble effort I fully support, even if it's these little compacts shown above.
The current Ford Flex is a decent tell station wagon and I the discontinued Chrysler Pacifica was a great wagon alternative.
The best thing about the Ford Flex is that it's boxy and has available woodgrain side panels.  
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
After the death of the Dodge Magnum in the American market, there has not been a "traditional" station wagon offered


Daimler/Chrysler did a terrible job marketing that vehicle. It's first model year, it was shown in the back of the brochure it's debut model year.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 1):
I am seeing more and more small cars and not so many road warriors. These ones don't impress me much.



The above cars are small cars.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4471 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11046 times:

Great idea, the station wagon died a premature death over here with the endless procession of SUV's



Bring them back and I'd like to buy one, especially a RWD or AWD version.



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User currently offlineaf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2675 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11044 times:

I've been hoping station wagons would catch back on in the American market. I wonder if there would be a way to have a third row seating configuration in these wagons? Similar to the third row bench seats in the older Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable wagons.


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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2062 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11036 times:

I actually quite like our local wagon, the Commodore Sportwagon. Packing a 6.0L V8, they look good on the road too. Good alternative to getting a SUV. I think a fair few people 'need' the space but don't really want a massive car, these are a good compromise although they're fairly long for your typical SWPL suburbanites.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39859 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11038 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
If I ever drove an American Station Wagon it would not doubt be this one:

I'm partial to the Mercury Colony Park.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1974MercuryColonyPark.jpg

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 5):
I wonder if there would be a way to have a third row seating configuration in these wagons? Similar to the third row bench seats in the older Ford Taurus/Mercury Sable wagons.

The older Ford Country Squire and Mercury Colony Park offered that along with all the other full-size GM and Chrysler wagons.


[Edited 2012-09-26 22:50:15]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10975 times:

The Dodge Magnum is supposedly coming back in 2014 so that it can be sold in Europe as a Lancia/Chrysler. They sold the Magnum in Europe (and a few other places) as the Chrysler 300 Touring (Built in Austria by Magna Steyr.) and presumably in the European countries in which the Chrysler brand was retained over Lancia, it would be sold as that. By 2014, there is supposed to be a new Chrysler 300/Lancia Thema that shares a platform with the Alfa Romeo 169 and Maserati Quattroporte.

One of the issues with the Magnum was bad timing. One of the knocks on it was the fuel economy but also it started to lose sales after the first few years and was one of four models discontinued when Chrysler was restructuring. Dodge essentially replaced it (as well as the short wheelbase Caravan) with the Journey.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 4):
Great idea, the station wagon died a premature death over here with the endless procession of SUV's

I think the minivan is what killed the station wagon and the SUV/CUV has killed the minivan.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39859 posts, RR: 74
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10945 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
By 2014, there is supposed to be a new Chrysler 300/Lancia Thema that shares a platform with the Alfa Romeo 169 and Maserati Quattroporte.



Sounds like good news. I hope the American versions will have the Maserati interior or bring back Corinthian leather.
Would be even better if Chrysler makes their version of the Dodge Challenger as a convertible with Maserati interior and call it the Lebaron or TC....



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10946 times:

Greetings, Motorheads : Is the Merc 'R' class considered a station wagon? Anybody ridden in one?

Thanks!



User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7519 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10944 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
After the death of the Dodge Magnum in the American market, there has not been a "traditional" station wagon offered

Daimler/Chrysler did a terrible job marketing that vehicle. It's first model year, it was shown in the back of the brochure it's debut model year.

   Sadly, Ford has been giving its Flex similar attention (or lack there of) even despite the 2013 facelift it received.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 8):
One of the issues with the Magnum was bad timing. One of the knocks on it was the fuel economy but also it started to lose sales after the first few years and was one of four models discontinued when Chrysler was restructuring.

That plus the fact that it was poorly marketed (per Superfly's earlier comment) and poorly conceived spacewise.

Sure it was RWD-based, had an available V8 and sat on a long 120" wheelbase; but it lacked the one thing full-size station wagons were known for... space. Due to the vehicle being too short and too narrow; its cargo capacity wasn't that much more than a compact Focus wagon. Epic Fail/Deal-breaker IMHO.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
The best thing about the Ford Flex is that it's boxy and has available woodgrain side panels.

Available Aftermarket woodgrain side panels. 
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
In response, it is now believed that Ford will market the European market Mondeo station wagon (official photos above) as a Fusion in the USA

I'm surprised that, for starters, that Ford hasn't started offering its new Focus wagon to the U.S. market. IIRC, the Focus wagon is available in the Canadian market.



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User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1821 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10942 times:

I'm currently driving a SW Mondeo.

Still too big for my taste (try parking one on some of the older parkings in some cities) with an awful turning circle but you can't deny it has tons of space to spare while still handling like a proper car and not a van.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4827 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10941 times:

Subaru Legacy has sold more as a station wagon in most markets than as a sedan.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39859 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
Available Aftermarket woodgrain side panels.



True but sanctioned by Ford.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 11):
Due to the vehicle being too short and too narrow; its cargo capacity wasn't that much more than a compact Focus wagon. Epic Fail/Deal-breaker IMHO.


They need to lower the belt-line and raise the roof a bit over the cargo bay. I didn't like the chop-shop roof-line appearance. I wish the Imperial had went in to production because it was the only car in this series that didn't have the low roof-line.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7303 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10918 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
GM is going to market a Buick Regal station wagon for the 2014 model year according to the automotive press, and the press has now definitely captured test mules of this new Buick (and definitely NOT a Opel Insignia!!) being hot weather tested in the Mojave Desert.

How can they say definitely NOT a Opel Insignia, because that's what a Buick Regalm is a badge engineered Insignia.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
I actually quite like our local wagon, the Commodore Sportwagon.

Holden lost a lot of fleet sales with the VE Sportwagon, it's a lot smaller than the VZ Wagon.

Here in Norway wagon sales would be 50/50 with sedans for most models and in some cases like the A4, 3 Series wagons might even make the majority of sales, Volvo V70's massivley outnumber sales of the S80 sedan, as do V60 to the S60. The same would also be try in Sweden and Denmark from my observations.


User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 543 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10916 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Ford Country Squire

I wonder if that would pass the pedestrian crash test.

I guess it depends on if your driving or not...if you are then just wash the blood off so yes a pass.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

We passed a old Buick station wagon the other day - my 10 year old grandson said "That looks like a cool kind of car to have"

I told him that his mother's mini-van was just a grown up version of a station wagon.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10893 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
Holden lost a lot of fleet sales with the VE Sportwagon,

Not sure though where they lost them to.. there is precious little else in the Aus/NZ domestic wagon market, although it seems there are more RAV4/Xtrail/CRV type vehicles in company fleets,especcially with companys that use the branding of fleet vehicles as a marketing exercise.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7151 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10876 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 10):
Greetings, Motorheads : Is the Merc 'R' class considered a station wagon? Anybody ridden in one?


My family had one when it first came out got a crazy good lease deal because they wanted them on the road. Its a big car and not the best looking thing in the road but it was extremely comfortable and drove fairly well for such a large odd shaped thing.
Check out its handling in this high speed chase from Miami: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_gnlotGYvI&feature=related

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I'm partial to the Mercury Colony Park.


Well I do remember being driven to school in my friend's father wagon: One of these. And it was probably around 8-10 years old even then.
http://img1.classistatic.com/cps/kj/110828/787r1/06046kd_20.jpeg



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10869 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):

Holy moly, those things are big enough to live in.

Anyway it's interesting. It seems that wagons are slowly clawing their way back, but not the way they used to be, as square-rigged but extremely functional and capacious sedan derivatives, but as style statements of their own, as the car-based utility now does a lot of the former job. Just look at the Cadillac CTS wagon- it's rockin' for sure, but the trunk looks only marginally bigger than that of the sedan because of the rakish sweep of the rear glass.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2970 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10855 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 18):
Not sure though where they lost them to..

SUV's -- specifically the Ford Territory...


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3621 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10824 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
The above cars are small cars.

The Fusion is a in the Midsize class.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 10821 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 19):
Check out its handling in this high speed chase from Miam

Amazing! thanks for posting. Now the R class now has Gansta cred...I want me one!


User currently onlineKaphias From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 10799 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 13):
Subaru Legacy has sold more as a station wagon in most markets than as a sedan.

One of the best wagons ever made, I believe... proud to own one. AWD, supreme reliability, and you can sleep comfortably in the back. Couldn't ask for much more, except for power. One day I'd like to take a 1997/2005 version and put a WRX STI engine in.
I'm also a fan of the Magnum, I know they did an SRT-8 model but I'd like to see if one could cram a Viper engine in. Would be a good competitor to that sweet Hennessy machine!



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25 Revelation : IMHO totally predictable cycle. Minivans are dull people haulers with unibodies. Pre-00s vintage SUVs are body-on-frame trucks with truck features su
26 Flighty : Excellent pedestrian viscosity on those old behemoths! I favor wagons over SUVs any day. Give me the lowest fuel burn and the best vehicle. Something
27 srbmod : The third row seating left a lot to be desired if you were over 5'9". I remember a coworker at my last job rented one when they first came out and I
28 Newark727 : There used to be some Japan-only super-Legacies with weird appellations on their names that did indeed throw in much more sporty engines than the one
29 Aesma : Here any car will have a wagon version and sell, even small hatchbacks like the Peugeot 207 and Renault Clio. It's a CUV rather.
30 B777LRF : I've been driving a BMW 530d Touring for a couple of years now. Wife wanted for an X5 or ML, I put foot down. She whinged, she pleaded, she damn near
31 zippyjet : I can't believe I'm saying this but that Ford Mondeo wagon isn't half bad looking. Now, if they could put wood or imitation wood panneling on it's sid
32 Flighty : It all depends on duty cycle. SUV and pickup trucks make sense for those very, very few people who (as you say) do heavy off-roading and towing of es
33 Aesma : Can someone explain the attraction of imitation wood panels to me ?
34 DocLightning : We had something like that. Two of them, in fact. Oldsmobiles, IIRC. We had a brown one that was gasoline-powered and one that took diesel. Made that
35 BMI727 : It makes sense. The increase of "world car" type designs makes it easier to simply import wagons from other markets that can survive with fewer sales
36 Newark727 : I will say though that when my family regularly visited rural Maine and we had an '03 Jeep Liberty to navigate around the dirt roads and unmaintained
37 KiwiRob : Which is a load of garbage, it's really just a nice way of saying we are going to sell the better cars built by our overseas subisiaries rather than
38 Flighty : Rented one of those. Didn't like it compared to a ZJ Grand Cherokee, but it worked okay. The Chrysler Pacifica from the same time period I liked a lo
39 BMI727 : American car manufacturers have been really slow with the whole "world car" idea even though it seems like common sense because of how they were set
40 DocLightning : You know what model it was? I was little (grade school). I remember feeling different because most of the other kids' parents drove sedans. Why was i
41 Newark727 : I believe the diesel engine in particular had a very poor reputation for blowing itself up, like the cylinder liners were really weak or something. A
42 Post contains links BMI727 : It was the engine more than the car. (Although giant land yachts of that period were no bargain no matter what powered them) Oldsmobile developed thr
43 Post contains images DocLightning : That sounds right! It looks exactly like this except one was chocolate brown and one was black (both with faux wood; Sfly would be proud). I don't re
44 zckls04 : I LOVE STATION WAGONS! My wife and I just bought a VW Passat Wagon and it is fantastic! So much room, so easy to drive, much cooler than some crappy S
45 Post contains images Superfly : How is one more "grown up" than the other when they suit the same purpose and cater to the same target buyer? Just have to remind the young kids arou
46 SmithAir747 : I would be so happy to see the American station wagons return! I grew up with station wagons: 1) A green 1978 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country (M-b
47 Zkpilot : They do make a GT version (2.5l 265hp 0-60mph 5.4s) that not enough for a wagon? For sure an STi version would be great... I would expect an STi vers
48 comorin : Please view all of the video that Mr. Flymia has kindly provided for us:
49 Post contains links and images flymia : Don't forget the G-Wagon also. As to the R-Class, it can be used as a pretty good get away car with room for the kids too! http://www.youtube.com/wat
50 mham001 : The Mercedes R class was discontinued.
51 comorin : Thanks! but the link is for the R class that you posted before.
52 Superfly : Not seeing the gangster connection. Lucky you. My family never had a station wagon. It was always a treat riding in back of our family friend's stati
53 Post contains images DocLightning : "Worst car of all time..." who had great taste in vehicles now? My dad had a 1984 Porsche 944 that he claimed he would let me inherit. And then he so
54 BMI727 : The early ones weren't as good as later variants with airbags. I almost ended up buying an 87 944 Turbo this summer until I decided I should get a jo
55 DocLightning : Yah... good plan. But I will tell you, when you hit the accelerator in that car (5-speed manual trans, of course), that thing moved.
56 BMI727 : There's 1980s fast and then there's 2012 fast. Even a Nissan Maxima can make a 0-60 time under six seconds, which could blow away all but the highest
57 Post contains images Superfly : Your folks had great taste in cars. That little 944 could fit in the cargo bay of that Custom Cruiser.
58 stasisLAX : Ah, the damn Cadillac CTS wagon - how could I forget the CTS wagon! It is indeed made domestically, although in very small numbers. And the V-series
59 Post contains links and images TheRedBaron : In Mexico, fewer that 300 Golf wagons are sold each year, VW sells like 2500 tiguans, and the Golf has more equipment, more space, better interiors an
60 Newark727 : My grandfather had a 944 from around that time. He flipped it. Sure was a good thing he was wearing his seat belt that day.
61 DL_Mech : And while 1960s-70s musclecars are fast, their lack of sound insulation and relative crudeness make them feel much faster than todays' performance ca
62 BMI727 : Lack of handling, braking, and safety features made using what speed they did have more scary. Not really. With all of the modern safety and performa
63 Post contains images stasisLAX : A 1972 Olds Custom Cruiser was my childhood station wagon, It belonged to an outside sales manager at the company that my Mother worked for. The sales
64 TSS : Perhaps saying "A minivan is just a station wagon with a serious thyroid condition" would have been closer to the truth. The Oldsmobile diesel engine
65 Post contains images Superfly : Fewer young people are driving today. The cost of cars have gone up, high unemployment in this group, higher driving ages in some states and indoctri
66 Newark727 : You had me until the last one; not a single high school teacher of mine mentioned anything remotely environmental in the context of a new generation
67 Superfly : Good for you. It doesn't mean that it's not happening. That's nothing new. There have always been smaller efficient cars for people on a budget which
68 Post contains images Revelation : Some start young, I guess! As a subset of the above, tires in particular have come a long way since then. Scary to think of some of the sh*t bias-ply
69 TheRedBaron : The Minivan failed because they made it SO BIG, a original circa 1988 Pentastar Minivan is the size of a Current Mazda 5. 1996-2000 large minivans wer
70 Post contains images Superfly : That's all part of the fun. That made them look a little bit better. Some even had turbo. Those minivan were total junk. The minivan was very success
71 KiwiRob : You're kidding right the minivan is massively popular in Europe.
72 TheRedBaron : The minivan failed after 2000. I would dare to say that maybe the last good Minivan was the 2001 Odyssey. I still have my 2000 Grand voyager it has th
73 af773atmsp : I don't think the minivan is dead. My family's 1999 Dodge Grand Caravan has served us well, and its been through plenty of abuse; including getting hi
74 nws2002 : While this may be true where you live, it is certainly not true in the U.S. Where I live, almost every teenager gets their license at age 16. A car d
75 TheRedBaron : I like my wife´s Mazda 5 as a hauler but ergonomically its a nightmare. I think Chrysler had the perfect minivan in their 1996-2000 minivans, afterwa
76 Post contains links Superfly : I am talking about the U.S. and what I said is a fact. There was a lively thread about this topic several months ago in this forum. Here is a few lin
77 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : That's more of a CUV and it's worth noting that it's no longer being offered in the U.S. market for 2013. Wow , I didn't think that the Dodge Magnum
78 Flighty : There's nothing wrong with a 70s or 80s full size GM car that can't be fixed by about $100,000 in custom work. Little known fact - early Caravans cou
79 tristarenvy : I might have missed it somewhere in the thread, but GM was to have given us a Pontiac G8 wagon, along with the G8 sport-truck... But...we all know how
80 Post contains images Superfly : I had mentioned the turbocharged 4-cylinder but for racing? That may be true of the Dodge Daytona, Chrysler Laser and smaller P-body Omni/Horizon but
81 Post contains links TSS : The Magnums did not have third row seating. http://autos.yahoo.com/dodge/magnum/2008/rt/specifications.html I can only guess that Srbmod was thinking
82 Post contains images Revelation : Well, that's one way a father can make sure that men stay away from his daughter!
83 PHLBOS : That would be my guess as well. Hopefully, he will respond to confirm. Yes & no. While there were/are 2 separate figures for cars and trucks; CAF
84 mirrodie : Larry, I always love your station pics. Good memories. While I still loved the utility of those things, they are history unfortunately. The new car nu
85 Post contains links and images zippyjet : Before you buy check out Consumer Reports Auto Issues. They show the crash test results. Believe it or not, some pickups and SUV's, the occupants act
86 BMI727 : Up until very recently, trucks and SUVs were more dangerous than cars. Yes there is some safety in sheer heft, but that same heft makes avoiding acci
87 Post contains links and images Superfly : My pleasure. I hope she didn't get hurt. Must be those "price idicators"....... You may want to find a new-old-stock or pre-owned Mercury Grand Marqu
88 BMI727 : The government should stop helping us before they screw up any more. The rollover thing, sure. But not unlike the big SUVs, those large cars have ste
89 Post contains images Superfly : Well said! You're talking about the ones from the 1960 & 1970s. The most recent Grand Marquis and Town Cars are very nimble with tight turning ra
90 BMI727 : My mom's Caprice was the exact same way. Made a minivan feel downright sporty by comparison. Granted, the Caprice, Crown Vic and their badge engineer
91 Post contains images Superfly : You're funny. The last generation of Grand Marquis an Town Cars has nothing to do with the ones from the 60s & 70s. Although the Panther frame ma
92 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Not to nitpick Zip, but the last pic you posted is actually a 1970 model. The '69s, while similar, had a different grille assembly than their '70 suc
93 Post contains images Aesma : Since we're into fond memories, my family also had a wagon when I was a kid, albeit a French one. It replaced a crappy Ford Orion whose engine gave up
94 mham001 : And then last week I read a report that in real world crashes, there is still no substitute for weight. Ever seen the picture of the Smart car smashe
95 Superfly : ] You grew up in a wagon family. Did any of your have the factory checker board game? Does it sizzle in a frying pan?
96 PHLBOS : Sorry, no checker board. The only wagon of the '69-'78 era in my family that had featured the dual seats was my father's '69 Colony Park. Of all the
97 Rabenschlag : In Germany, the sedan is what the wagon is in the US: an old person's car. As a consequence, we have a relatively small number of sedans on the street
98 Post contains images Superfly : Perhaps now is the time to pick one up.
99 PHLBOS : In the northeast, where many of these beauts fell prey to body rot; they're few and far between.
100 Post contains links Superfly : Don't buy one in the northeast. Look on ebay and find one in the desert southwest. Here is one on ebay in mint condition and it isn't that far from y
101 PHLBOS : Already saw that one after I made my previous post. Nice find but I don't have any place to store it.
102 Aesma : If you have a modern light car to cushion you, sure. If you crash against a wall or a tree, weight is your enemy.
103 Post contains images Ken777 : The older I get the less I need a wagon, but I am somewhat impressed with the Pacifica. The Flex basically starts at $31K, making it uninteresting for
104 Post contains images zippyjet : I learned to drive a stick on a cousin's early 70's Volvo boxy two door. That car was tight and built like a tank. Sadly it caught on fire. This was
105 Post contains images Superfly : I like the Chrysler Pacifica as well. I also like the Ford Flex but the price is very high for what it is. Nice! Sweet! The British have always made
106 KiwiRob : That was also one of the reasons from dropping them they weren't safe enough and would have struggled to get a decent safety rating, big does not mea
107 Superfly : Now you're making stuff up. Those cars always rated high in safety test.
108 Post contains links KiwiRob : Righto, the Crown Vic was good when tested in 2003, things have moved on a lot since then, I wouldn't want to be in one when crashing. http://www.iih
109 PHLBOS : As much as I like the Flex, I have to agree. The majority of Flex's competitors start off with a lower sticker price (the Chevy Traverse starts at $2
110 BMI727 : I was going to say that I doubt so many police departments would take a car that is poorly rated in safety.
111 KiwiRob : why not if it's cheap enough, the other advantage was it's cheap to repair. Remember it was reasonably safe in 2003 but that was then, safety has mad
112 mirrodie : Oh, believe me, we do. That said, its early in our search as we've got bigger fish to fry, ie. bigger home. But just looking into options now. Having
113 sccutler : I have a 1991 Olds Custom Cruiser which, at around 140,000 miles may be a the best car I have ever owned. It waits, patiently, at a rural airport for
114 Newark727 : A couple of weeks back I saw a Mercedes E63 AMG wagon pass me in the evening. Even in a part of the world where three-pointed-star badges practically
115 KiwiRob : They nearly all do, Audi makes one the S6 Avant, in the near future you'll be able to buy an RS6 Avant, BMW did make an E61 M5 touring but dropped fo
116 Newark727 : I know, it's just that almost none are sold in the United States. I guess I should have worded my post slightly differently.
117 JJJ : And heavier, taller cars are more prone to lose control and swerve off road.
118 Zkpilot : Don't you find that the petrol goes off after a few months?[Edited 2012-10-08 09:36:36]
119 AvObserver : These were special rides. My family had a '69 model from 1969 to early 1981. What a grand car, so sad when it was finally junked.
120 Post contains images superfly : Sounds like your family had great taste in cars so you just had to be the quirky one and buy the Gremlin, Pacer and Azect.
121 Newark727 : My dad's family had an Olds Vista Cruiser for a while too. My aunt totaled it forty years ago and she's never heard the end of that.
122 Post contains images superfly : ...and she shouldn't hear the end of it! Those were beautiful wagons.
123 sccutler : Well, it has not done yet, but it is a worry; especially so since the gas here is generally contaminated already, with ethanol.
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