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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

In http://news.yahoo.com/romney-camp-do...-012331687--abc-news-politics.html Romney senior aid Beth Myers says something that many of us have been saying for a while:

Quote:

In a memo sent to surrogates today, Romney senior adviser Beth Myers sets the expectations for Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney low - very low - compared to the "ample rhetorical gifts" of his opponent. The memo says President Obama has a "significant advantage" heading into the first debate.

"President Obama is a uniquely gifted speaker, and is widely regarded as one of the most talented political communicators in modern history," Myers writes, calling Obama a "universally acclaimed public speaker."

Myers' memo is the latest in pre-debate jockeying by both campaigns to set their candidate's expectations low, while raising expectations for their opponent.

Beyond his "natural gifts" for oratory, Meyers argues that Obama has "substantial debate experience under his belt."

"This will be the eighth one-on-one presidential debate of his political career. For Mitt Romney, it will be his first," she says. Obama, in her words, has had "extensive seasoning under the bright lights of the debate stage."

Way to pump up the troops, Beth!

She's setting very low expectations, and there's ample evidence as to why. Romney comes off as a stiff, and his attempts to improvise have been very cringe worthy. Despite the bluster of the Romney supporters, debates just aren't a thing that one can expect Romney to excel at.

So where does this gloom and doom memo leave the already perturbed Romney campaign?

If the debates can't give them a bump, what can?

Meanwhile we read: Ohio Slipping Out Of Reach For Romney

Quote:

On the same day that the Republican presidential candidate will take part in his most intense 10-hour period of campaigning in the Buckeye State in months, a fresh New York Times-CBS News-Quinnipiac poll out this morning found President Obama's edge there growing.

In Ohio, Obama leads Romney, 53 percent to 43 percent - that's up from the president's 50 percent to 44 percent lead in a previous poll on August 23. The findings also track with other public polling available in the state that shows Obama out in front.

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This morning ABC News moved the state of Ohio and its 18 electoral votes from "Toss Up" territory to "Lean Obama." This puts the ABC Electoral College estimate at 255 for Obama to 206 for Romney. Without a drastic change in Ohio that means there are only seven battlegrounds left for Romney to capture in his quest for the presidency, including the state of Florida with its 29 electoral votes.

But today's New York Times-CBS News-Quinnipiac poll also forecasted a gloomy picture for Romney in the Sunshine State. There Obama leads Romney by a 9 point margin, 53 percent to 44 percent. That's also an improvement on the president's 49 percent to 46 percent margin over Romney in the same poll in late August.

"The polls, along with interviews with supporters and advisers in the nation's two largest battleground states, lay bare an increasingly urgent challenge facing Mr. Romney as he prepares for his next chance to move the race in his favor, at the first debate with Mr. Obama next week," The New York Times' Jeff Zeleny and Jim Rutenberg note. "Mr. Romney's burden is no longer to win over undecided voters, but also to woo back the voters who seem to be growing a little comfortable with the idea of a second term for Mr. Obama."

Is the gig up?

No Ohio, no Florida, no Mitt presidency...

Will history record the day of the release of the infamous 47% comments as the day that Romney lost the election?

What has the Romney campaign done either tactically or strategically to get their man elected?

I can't for the life of me see what strategy they ever have had to get the required 271 electoral votes. The main strategy was to hammer Obama's economic record, which they've been doing, but then the next question becomes what Romney would do differently, and they have absolutely no clear cohesive message about that. Every time someone asks for clarity, Romney says vague things about "principals" whereas many are scared sh*tless about exactly what he'll do if he ever became President, for good reason. In essence Romney is saying I'm going to gore lots of oxen, but I won't tell you if your ox will be gored. Even bringing Ryan on board, with his pinhead spreadsheets hasn't added any clarity about what Romney would do. All we've heard Mitt say was that Ryan's plans weren't necessarily his plans, zilch about what he'd do differently than what Ryan's published plans say.

And tactically, after the now infamous 47% comments, the reaction was what, exactly? That he meant what he said, but that he didn't say it elegantly. Ok, fine, then come out and say it elegantly! You said it, you own it, double down or go home. He just hasn't, which leaves everyone with the impression that he has one message for the 1%ers and another for the rest of us. He actually spoke with great clarity and emotion to that gathering, unlike the stiff way he usually speaks. Is it any wonder that people feel that a Romney presidency would only benefit the rich?


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1347 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

Will history record the day of the release of the infamous 47% comments as the day that Romney lost the election?

I think that though there are a multitude of factors, including a general fatigue from modern right - wing politics, this will likely be what popular history will hang his loss on.

The question is will the GOP do some much needed reinvention, or will they double-down with more of the likes of Perry & Bachman, and more pandering to Nordquist, etc.

Like his own campaign advisor, I also don't expect him to do well in this debate. We'll see...



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

The idea is to downplay things so that in practice anything would be seen as a victory, but I think it's failing.


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 1):
I think that though there are a multitude of factors, including a general fatigue from modern right - wing politics, this will likely be what popular history will hang his loss on.

I think it's the candidate himself. He has little charisma and little appeal to the electorate. It was clear all primary season that he came out on top because his money gave him the aura of electability, and beyond that there wasn't much to recommend him.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
The idea is to downplay things so that in practice anything would be seen as a victory, but I think it's failing.

Indeed, but IMHO there's the reality that the debate just isn't a place where Romney can be expected to shine.

He's wonderful talking to 1%ers in Boca Raton mansions - he's in his element there. A debate against Obama, not so much...

He really hasn't laid any groundwork for a debate, no real taking points except Obama's had a rough time with the economy, which we all know.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11534 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 1):
will they double-down with more of the likes of Perry & Bachman, and more pandering to Nordquist, etc.

I would say they are going to double down. The right-wing understands sensationalist media and want to use that to their advantage. When some extremist like Michelle Bachman or John Kyl say something way out there, the right-wing media pounces on it and makes a huge deal about it as if that is the stance of the entire party. They do this through media. I think they think it is their only way to keep them relevant.

Let's also not forget who signed the pledge of allegence to Grover Nordquist. Go look it up. I'll wait.....



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Will history record the day of the release of the infamous 47% comments as the day that Romney lost the election?

Actually if history is any indicator, I think we won't really remember Romney! Perhaps I'm too young but I don't really remember the losers that well!

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 1):
including a general fatigue from modern right - wing politics

Maybe, but I'd be cautious on this front. I remember hearing something like this, only about the left, after President Bush (2) was reelected. The right can (IMO) easily get back on their feet while the left may stumble a bit. May or may not happen, but the moral of the story is to never let down your guard and don't get too bureaucratic and sucky when you win   

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 1):
or will they double-down with more of the likes of Perry & Bachman

That is down right scary... even worse, imagine Santorum-Bachman! D:



I'm not a political scholar, but this isn't good news for Mr Romney... weren't some people saying that the debates were his chance to turn things around? If I were him, I'd just drop out and throw all my weight behind Gary Johnson  



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1347 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):

I think it's the candidate himself. He has little charisma and little appeal to the electorate. It was clear all primary season that he came out on top because his money gave him the aura of electability, and beyond that there wasn't much to recommend him.

Without a doubt. Newt was closest other candidate they had in this regard, even that would likely have been the same here.

But I do really believe that that whole party is in the process of an eventual schism anyway. There are a lot who really don't want to be associated with the religious or libertarian fringes anymore, and I think that's part of what will keep folks at home this November.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):

I would say they are going to double down. The right-wing understands sensationalist media and want to use that to their advantage.

Frightening, but distinctly possible, yes. I would say that this past term has gone more than a little overboard being reactionary to our current Administration as well. The problem with this is that the GOP is actually more pleased with that than they would be helping to shape the country's future. I think that being so apparent is why they lost the presidency again this year, and will probably lose a lot of seats in the house and senate.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 4):

Let's also not forget who signed the pledge of allegence to Grover Nordquist.

Also one of many reasons not to vote for the guy, yes. The one thing I'll say there is that there has been enough backlash to that (and with comments about dragging our gov't into a bathtub and beating it to death, on can hardly question why...) as it becomes apparent what his fronts are actually all about.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
The right can (IMO) easily get back on their feet while the left may stumble a bit. May or may not happen,

I wouldn't say easily. Let's not forget there's going to be a huge amount of denial about this year's results for one thing. But moreover, it's a bit different to 2004. For one thing, it wasn't idealogical dysfunction or a disconnect with the American people that put the left in a hard place then. It was the fact that they simply had no credible, inspirational leadership. I'm still not sure I could vote for Kerry, even now.

The GOP not only has that problem, but a pretty severe identity crisis as well to contend with. They've spent so much effort pandering to base and fringe elements that they've effectively lost sight of battleground demographics. Can they really reconcile these issues enough to win elections in the future? Doesn't look good. In fact, they'd need Obama to be worse than the last dozen presidencies to effect that.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):

That is down right scary... even worse, imagine Santorum-Bachman! D:

Imagine the Secret Service demanding raises for the huge workload that would cause...   

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):

I'm not a political scholar, but this isn't good news for Mr Romney... weren't some people saying that the debates were his chance to turn things around? If I were him, I'd just drop out and throw all my weight behind Gary Johnson  

I know you're tongue in cheek, but I still think it's actually more profitable to take the loss at the finish line.



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User currently offlinepu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

I think Romney thought "It's the economy' stupid!" (which I think Bill Clinton/James Carville? popularised) would carry him to the White House by itself. I bet in years past, it would. But something's changed and voters aren't letting this issue alone decide the election. My perception!

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Way to pump up the troops, Beth!
POSSIBLY she is setting expectations low so that a perceived tie in debate performance can be called a victory. Her memo is such a glowing endorsement of Obama's verbal powers that anyone who debates the president and doesn't just fall down crying in a sniveling mess should be a winner in her terms.
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Personally, I say Romney should come out firing with the big guns and take some risks. That may backfire. Or it could win him the election.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
The right can (IMO) easily get back on their feet while the left may stumble a bit. May or may not happen

Its best to have (at least) two healthy parties presenting alternative scenarios and clear choices from strong candidates.
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But, IMO, the demographics of America are moving away from the Republicans and they need to find a way to appeal to people beyond their devoted base of older, non-urban males. The Republicans these days lose every major city, including major cities like Atlanta and Houston in solid red states like Texas and Georgia.
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The Republicans have won the popular vote exactly once in the last 20 years - 2004, and that was a very close election. This is a changing America, but the Republicans aren't changing as well. I say lose the obsession with God, guns, gays and abortion and they outpoll the Democrats regularly.

Pu

[Edited 2012-09-28 18:02:43]

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8061 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
this isn't good news for Mr Romney... weren't some people saying that the debates were his chance to turn things around?

We keep hearing this - a daring veep pick will turn it around, the convention will turn it around. I would say, in their execution, these two things ended up hurting the (already very slim) chances of the Republicans getting one of their guys (or robots) into the White House. VEEP: the natural Republican base (old) may pretend to hate government (cranky) but Medicare is keeping them alive so they don't want someone who looks like their shifty grandson (Ryan) tinkering with it / taking it away (vouchers). CONVENTION: they gave us old (Clint) and cranky (Eastwood) but it was the glaring omission of the Republican two-term president who just left office three and a half years ago who wasn't even mentioned (and then, to make the point even clearer, the Democratic convention then wheeled out their last two-term president and everyone swooned which just showed again how bad everything became under the Republicans' dream boy W).

So.
Veep pick. Strike ONE.
Convention. Ster-rike TWO.
Debates...



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 6):
But I do really believe that that whole party is in the process of an eventual schism anyway. There are a lot who really don't want to be associated with the religious or libertarian fringes anymore, and I think that's part of what will keep folks at home this November.

This is a big reason of why it's so hard for them to come up with a winning candidate. One camp wants "conservative values", another camp wants the government to not become the religious police, and neither is happy with a compromise candidate.

To be honest, I just think the GOP doesn't compromise well. They get a lot of energy from lots of hard-line polarizing blather on talk radio and the internet, so when the inevitable comes and they need to rally around one candidate, they won't compromise.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11534 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
No Ohio, no Florida, no Mitt presidency

But the Lt. Gov. of Pennsylvania told the American people that Mitt will be president! And he said it knowing cameras were rolling!

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
Will history record the day of the release of the infamous 47% comments as the day that Romney lost the election?

No. That was just one of the points of the loss. There will be something even greater, I feel. The problem I think people have with Romney is he is just so out there. I was thinking about voting McCain. But, then, someone decided Palin would be a good candidate. That is what really turned me off of McCain. I don't like Ryan. At all. I REALLY don't like Romney. If they picked a candidate that would appeal to moderates, they would have gotten a closer race. I think the GOP is waiting for 2016. Even then, the far right ring wing will still be screaming and insist on, and end up nominating, someone as radical as Santorum. Not someone even a little moderate like Cristy. Hence, 2016 will be the year of Hillary.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 10):
I think the GOP is waiting for 2016.

I doubt that. They thought they had an iron-clad winning issue for 2012 in the economy. Unfortunately for them, (a) they couldn't make the point that the bad economy is Obama's fault, and (b) the electorate doesn't trust Romney to fix the economy in a way that doesn't favor his peers, the ultra wealthy.

Add to that the fact that many in his own party see him as too moderate or of the wrong religious affiliation, plus his wooden personality and his Etcha-Sketch approach to policy, and you end up with someone who just isn't the right candidate.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Just to add the Obama Camp is doing the exact same thing. This is not a Romeny thing, this is not a Republican thing and this is not a Obama is so good that we need to downplay expectations thing. This is a every four years both sides do this thing!

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2012/10/01/obama-im-just-ok-at-debating/

Quote:
Keeping with his campaign’s efforts to lower expectations, Obama told the crowd that while he was “just OK” at debating, his opponent was “a good debater.”

Obama camp has also said many times how Romney has had so much practice with the primaries while Obama has not debated since 2008.

Glad to see everyone is looking at both sides as usual.   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 12):
Glad to see everyone is looking at both sides as usual.

If I were a gambling man, I'd bet ten thousand, ten thousand dollars that Romney's adviser's concerns are justified! 



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