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Julian Assange - 'Movement At The Station'?  
User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

Assange has now spent 100 days in Ecuador's London Embassy. He's worse off even than someone in prison, really - not only is his 'cell' smaller, with the British police guarding both the front and back entrances of the embassy, he doesn't even get any 'exercise time' in the open air.....

It now looks as if either Assange or the Ecuadorians (or both) are 'cracking':-

"ECUADOR has asked Britain whether Julian Assange could be permitted to leave his London hideout for medical treatment.

"The query comes as the two countries met to seek to end a deadlock over the activist's fate.

"Assange has sheltered inside Ecuador's embassy in London, beyond the reach of British police, since June 19 - a total of 100 days.

"He is seeking to avoid extradition to Sweden for questioning over sex crimes allegations.

"Though Ecuador has granted Assange asylum, if he steps outside the building he will be arrested to be flown to Sweden."


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/ecu...eting/story-fnbzs1v0-1226483303150

Quite obvious what the British should (and almost certainly will) say (and, if necessary, do). Just repeat that, the moment Assange leaves the embassy, he will be arrested. But add that he will then be afforded any medical care that he needs; though guarded by policemen while he receives it. And that, provided he is fit enough, he will then be extradited to Sweden forthwith........

I don't personally have any time for Assange. Anyone who is accused of a crime should face up to things and submit to legal proceedings, while energetically defending themselves. The last thing they should do, in my opinion, is what Assange has done; just 'lie low' and severely inconvenience other people (not least the well-meaning Ecuadorians).

So I think this business has gone on long enough, and hope very much that Assange will indeed leave the embassy (effectively, 'give himself up') and submit to the required questioning in Sweden. But I'm sure that not everyone will agree with me. What does everyone else think?


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5546 times:

Ecuador have committed themselves to protecting Assange, so they should provide medical care themselves, within the embassy.

This isn't a "crossed fingers" situation - if he leaves the embassy, he should be arrested.


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5511 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 1):
Ecuador have committed themselves to protecting Assange, so they should provide medical care themselves

See what you mean, moo. But I suspect that, after 100 days spent entirely indoors, Assange is suffering from something that can't be treated just by a GP visiting and dishing out some pills.........



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Diddums.

His confinement is voluntary, not imposed.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4032 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

I also hear that Sweden has an excellent healthcare system...

User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5482 times:

Perhaps he wants to attach a pair of testicles to gain the courage he needs to face his accusers.

User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2990 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5373 times:

This whole spectacle has done only one thing in my eyes -- prove that Assange is guilty of whatever it is Swedish Police want to talk to him about...

He can't stay in that embassy forever, and neither the British nor the Swedish are going to back down. One way or another, he's got to face the music eventually.

That said, I don't understand why he can't be questioned over crimes committed in Sweden while remaining in London (or Ecuador I guess).

Quoting NAV20 (Thread starter):
he doesn't even get any 'exercise time' in the open air.....

Perhaps he should have chosen an embassy with nice big grounds, like say the US Embassy, for example?  


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5364 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
That said, I don't understand why he can't be questioned over crimes committed in Sweden while remaining in London (or Ecuador I guess).

If I got the information right from a previous thread, it has something to do with Sweden actually needing Assange (the suspect) physically in Sweden before he can be questioned/charged/accused (not sure which.) But yes, it seems a little fishy since Swedish prisons don't sound that bad, they don't extradite people when they can face the death penalty (so not gonna be killed by the US) and just the US's legal grounds for prosecuting him are very shaky at best.

Plus, I think if the US assassinated him or something that would do a lot more damage than just leaving him be. Wikileaks did its damage but no one really talks about it too much, it's old news. Killing Assange would just bring more attention and bad press to America. That's assuming this administration would even sign off on shady assassinations...



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5354 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 5):
Perhaps he wants to attach a pair of testicles

Actually I think it was the ones he as that got him into trouble in the first place.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
He can't stay in that embassy forever

Why not? 10 to 20 years could replace the jail time he'd probably get in Sweden.

I do look to Ecuador's decision being reviewed at the highest levels. Maybe if they just start lowering the quality of the food he gets, sending him a bill for the room & board, etc.

Of course, as soon as he has a real medical emergency the Brits will have him tagged at the hospital.  


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5352 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
That said, I don't understand why he can't be questioned over crimes committed in Sweden while remaining in London

It would be pointless, I guess. They already have evidence from the two girls. Assange, when and if he's ever 'questioned,' will deny it, of course, but that's a matter of 'Well, he would, wouldn't he?' No use questioning him in a place where they have no powers of arrest.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 7):
If I got the information right from a previous thread, it has something to do with Sweden actually needing Assange (the suspect) physically in Sweden before he can be questioned/charged/accused (not sure which.)

Quite so; but my guess is that the operative word is 'charged.'   As it should be, IMO........

A few more 'straws in the wind' in this press story:-

"As the WikiLeaks founder spent his 100th day in the Ecuadorean embassy, where he has sought refuge from extradition to Sweden to face allegations of sexual crimes, the country's foreign minister met his British counterpart, William Hague, to ask about contingency plans should Assange fall ill.

"Hague told Ricardo Patino that he would consult officials and lawyers and respond within a few days, but a British official commented: "Maybe the Ecuadoreans should have thought of that before they granted him asylum." The official added that British police were under obligation to arrest Assange as soon as he stepped out of the embassy.

"One thing we have proposed is to have an ambulance parked outside," Patino told the Guardian in an interview in New York. "What we have said, if such a case should happen, we should be ready to install an operating theatre inside the premises, unless Mr Hague responds, as he promised in the next few days, that he [Assange] would be able to go to a hospital."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...ge-embassy-wikileaks?newsfeed=true

Ambulances? An operating theatre? Strongly suggests that 'something's up,' Assange is ill........



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6496 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5271 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 6):
I don't understand why he can't be questioned over crimes committed in Sweden while remaining in London (or Ecuador I guess).

Any trial in Sweden is almost sure to involve some DNA tests.

That said, the Swedes are more than happy with the present situation. For several reasons:

1. As long as he is fed at the Ecuador Embassy in London the Swedes won't have to feed him.
2. Any trial in Stockholm could easily become a magnet to rioters from all over the world.
3. As long as he is not in Sweden, the Swedes won't need to deal with any request from the USA.

How will it end? Well, if he doesn't choose to go to Sweden, then there are two possibilities.

1. He stays in the Ecuador Embassy forever.
2. The London police at some time relaxes a little, and he is sneaked by night to Ecuador (which I expect is very likely).

And whatever happens, he will be a lifetime "prisoner" within the borders of Ecuador plus other countries which hate Sweden and the USA. And so what? The main message has been delivered long time ago: Whoever wants to succeed Assange, stay within the laws of the countries you deal with, or expect to live a lifestyle which is vastly inferior to what other people are used to.



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Why all the negativity toward Julian Assange? This man is a brave hero who many governments and organizations want neutralized
I mean really this man put on the spotlight some huge war crimes and injustices going on in the world

As for Sweden, I am truly disappointed in them



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 11):

I'm too buzzed to really understand the sarcasm but I must admit, he is really playing the whole "the US is going to execute me" card way too much. The crimes he has to answer for have nothing to do with Wikileaks. Methinks there might be something more going on...

Off topic, but to our fellow Swedes, what kind of punishment (if guilty) is he looking at?



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6749 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 10):
Any trial in Sweden is almost sure to involve some DNA tests.

I don't see why, he freely admits to having sex with the women.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
The crimes he has to answer for have nothing to do with Wikileaks.

Well, if you think the US wants to take him out without making it about treason or such (which wouldn't hold anyway) then it makes sense to frame him for something else. Of course, spotty allegations of "rape by not wearing a condom" don't seem that effective a way to deal with him.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Well, if you think the US wants to take him out without making it about treason or such (which wouldn't hold anyway) then it makes sense to frame him for something else. Of course, spotty allegations of "rape by not wearing a condom" don't seem that effective a way to deal with him.

Well that assumes that Sweden, as a sovereign nation, made that decision. I doubt that Sweden would bend to political will just because this guy offended the US. In fact, I believe that making a big deal out of Assange (at this point) would only bring more attention to him (IMO.)

I say let Sweden deal with him. I feel that they are honorable enough to make a decision that is free of bias from the US  Smile

[Edited 2012-09-29 21:49:58]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25459 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5204 times:
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Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 11):

Why all the negativity toward Julian Assange? This man is a brave hero who many governments and organizations want neutralized

If you think the releases are heroic, then surely the hero would be Bradley Manning. Assange was just the (attention-seeking) publisher.

And from my point of view, he is a remarkably naive man. He published state secrets. He may have put lives at risk.

What did he think was going to happen?

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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Well, if you think the US wants to take him out without making it about treason or such (which wouldn't hold anyway) then it makes sense to frame him for something else.

Aesma, I doubt that you've ever been to Sweden? Because, if you had, you'd know that they are almost 'aggressively' independent, they invariably go their own way; and they have a long and proud tradition of neutrality......... There is no possibility whatever that they are conspiring in some way with the United States.

Come to that, the USA and Britain still have a thing called the 'special relationship' - born in the days when they worked together to save Europe from the German Nazis, and much of the rest of the world from the 'Empire of Japan.' If the USA had ever wanted to lay their hands on Assange, they could have sought his extradition from the UK at any time, on grounds of espionage; with the virtual certainty of success. I agree with you that they might not be able to make such charges stick - but there's no reasonable doubt that they could have got their hands on him, and put him on trial, any time they liked, years ago.

As things are - because neither he nor the Ecuadorians thought through the limitations of 'asylum' - he's 'going nowhere.' Had they realised those limitations, smuggled him out of Britain, and quietly got him on a aeroplane to Ecuador, things would be different. But as things are, he's facing 'life imprisonment' in the embassy.

Except that I suspect that, first of all, he's not at all well; and, secondly, that the Ecuadorians are getting more and more fed up with his presence disrupting the smooth functioning of their embassy.

Case of 'watch this space,' I reckon......... looks as if 'something will happen' quite soon.

[Edited 2012-09-29 23:57:20]


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

And so saying, here's the next 'development':-

"I miss many things: going to the shops or out to eat with friends. I miss an open horizon, putting my toes in the sea, going fishing, climbing a mountain," Mr Assange told the newspaper.

While he tries to maintain a healthy diet and exercises daily under the direction of a personal trainer, Mr Assange admits his detention is taking a toll.

"My health is slowly deteriorating," he said.

"I hope it's just physical. I am taking steps to try to stop it, but I have a problem with a lung which is causing a racking cough."


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/bre...afety/story-e6frf7k6-1226484932971

No doctor nowadays is going even to try to treat those symptoms without a full checkup, including X-rays, blood tests, heart tests etc. And he may already have been told that he very probably needs an operation.

What a self-centred bugger he is. Whose fault is it that he can't see his kids, go to the beach, climb mountains etc.?

Anyway - now that he's worried about his own precious skin, I reckon he'll give himself up within a week or so.

[Edited 2012-09-30 06:39:58]


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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5122 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):
What a self-centred bugger he is. Whose fault is it that he can't see his kids, go to the beach, climb mountains etc.?

Does he have kids? He sure is self centered - he has brought all this upon himself. As has been said before, he's gonna have to face extradition at some point, all he's doing now is prolonging it. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Man up Assange, get deported then you'll free up our newspapers for something important to write about.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5107 times:
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Get over it Julian,

You are an egotistical publicity hound that adds little value to society.

The USA can't try you as a traitor, the rabidly independant Swedes are unlikely to extradite you to a 3rd party( if the Brits with the above mentioned special relationship with the US haven't then the Swedes are hardly likely too!)

You have chosen to take asylum with that paragon of freedom and free speech, Ecuador, How funny is that?

Imagine your self as an Ecuadorian journalist that discovered something questionable about government, human rights or corruption in your country and see how well the "freedoms" you espouse and expect as a "right" are respected in your "adopted" haven!

Don't get me wrong, I think there is a huge opportunity for our governments(all of them) to be more transparent in many of their(our) foreign policy engagements. I am just not convinced that Messers Assange and Manning are best positioned(or qualified) to make that call.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

He made his bed, he can damn well lie in it.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5079 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 11):
Why all the negativity toward Julian Assange? This man is a brave hero who many governments and organizations want neutralized.

 

Then again, some people believe Hitler was a hero too.



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
Of course, spotty allegations of "rape by not wearing a condom" don't seem that effective a way to deal with him.

It's amazing that US intelligence was able to sway not one, but 2! Assange groupies to publicly come forward with these fake allegations. They must have incredible powers.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 22):
It's amazing that US intelligence was able to sway not one, but 2! Assange groupies to publicly come forward with these fake allegations. They must have incredible powers.

And really, what would be the point of the US doing this? The damage has been done, Assange is not a threat, putting him on trial or killing him would just make us look bad and bring even more attention to Wikileaks.

Measures have been put into place to ensure this won't happen again. The military hates flash drives now... on our base if you even plug your iPhone into a computer to charge it some system very far away will read it as an unauthorized device and suspend your account. Notice that having Assange dead, alive, or in custody doesn't affect this process at all.

Assange just needs to man up and face the charges



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8345 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 9):
Assange is ill........

Probably more mentally than anything.

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 11):
As for Sweden, I am truly disappointed in them

Why? They are following their legal protocols. What people tend to forget is that Assange really isn't anyone special in his legal circumstances. There is absolutely no need for special treatment.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 13):
I don't see why, he freely admits to having sex with the women.

As I understand it, the only consensual sex he had was based on his using a condom. When he reportedly had sex and didn't use a condom that, under local laws, was rape - the woman did not consent to that form of sex.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):
exercises daily under the direction of a personal trainer,

He has a personal trainer who works with him on a daily basis? WTF! Nice that he has the money for that and appears to me that he cannot be that sick if he is working with a PT on a daily basis.

Maybe all this talk about some mythical illness is simply an effort for sympathy and a way for him to leave.

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 17):
No doctor nowadays is going even to try to treat those symptoms without a full checkup, including X-rays, blood tests, heart tests etc. And he may already have been told that he very probably needs an operation.

A doctor can generally determine if antibiotics are needed for a chest infection. A portable x-ray can be taken if desired and the guy can spit in a cup for lab work No special needs at all.


25 pvjin : Assange is great man, there is absolutely nothing wrong with exposing war crimes and other dark stuff committed by US government and army. World needs
26 DeltaMD90 : ...who has unprotected sex with women against their will. Should we just ignore that just because he exposed some secrets? Doing something 'good' doe
27 pvjin : This whole rape story probably is total rubbish and pathetic try to make Assange look bad. I wonder how much those women got paid by US government /
28 Ken777 : I'm at the point where I doubt if the US really wants to give him the publicity of a trial. Simply keep him in some embassy room for a few years then
29 CompensateMe : Assange is a great man? Did he have a whistleblower agenda for WikiLeaks, or was its agenda to "give people around the world an unprecedented insight
30 pvjin : US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq have nothing to do with US national security, both of those wars were mainly because of political and economical r
31 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : And what if it's not? Do you have confidence in the Swedish judicial system? Why? To give this guy more publicity? Will planting fake charges on him
32 CompensateMe : Afghanistan... seriously? I guess you think 9/11 was a conspiracy created by the USA government - fabricated like the Holocaust.
33 pvjin : Nope, 9/11 was result from centuries of aggressive and ignorant foreign policy committed by US government. It's not like those terrorist attacked US
34 pvjin : Hard to say, even the best judicial systems do have corruption. Maybe US government wanted to make Assange look like a bad guy and turn sympathies ag
35 CompensateMe : Centuries? The USA is only 236-years-old, and wasn't involved much in global foreign policy until circa WWI. Attacking Afghanistan no doubt weakened
36 pvjin : Oh my English failed again, I meant decade... For some reason I always mix century and decade...
37 pu : Sweden regrets your disappointment, or I do anyway. Aren't his accomplishments blown out of proprtion? Mainly by Assange himself? ...a lot of it was
38 DeltaMD90 : Well what do the Swedes have to gain from all this? That doesn't make any sense. Plus why Assange some magic man? These "sources" could easily go to
39 Post contains links NAV20 : Fair enough, Ken777, I admit that I'm only piecing together and interpreting a few 'key words' culled from the various news reports. You could well b
40 thegreatRDU : I agree Bradley Manning is a hero too Oh my god. This man exposed war crimes and grave injustices committed by governments and corporations. He was a
41 PanHAM : simply because democracy and the division of powers works in Sweden. The judiciary system makes a decision on that, based on the laws, not the govern
42 AR385 : I do not know of any ethical surgeon that will concede to operate in a "surgical theatre" prepared inside a building that is just an office. The only
43 PanHAM : The alternative is not prison, house arrest at worst, usually pre-trial persons are not in prison unless they are dangerous. Until he is convicted he
44 Post contains links Quokkas : Not completely true. Under Swedish law the Supreme Court may rule on whether there is an obstacle to extradition and it may make a decision that allo
45 PanHAM : I think what I said was, that the Swedish Government cannot rule the xtradition (to thew USA=) agaoinst bthe Swedish supreme court the question was: a
46 stealthz : In a word ..Yes This is also how I feel.. One of the conditions of his asylum in the Ecuadorian Embassy, a condition imposed by the Govt of Equador a
47 Ken777 : I personally believe that his protectors are over-tating rings. Probably looking for a way to get rid of him. I sure don't. Maning raised his hand an
48 Post contains images NAV20 : Agree completely, AR385. I'm no 'medical man,' but my father was. Any medico who sanctioned major abdominal surgery in less than 100% sterile conditi
49 moo : No he isn't, and no he didn't - what warcrimes and grave injustices did he expose? He released tens of thousands of documents en mass without a thoug
50 pvjin : Whole Afghan war and US foreign policy is full of injustice.
51 moo : And Assanges actions have brought that to the fore ... how, exactly? People have had issues with the various wars and US policies well before WikiLea
52 Post contains images thegreatRDU : Ever heard of Wikileaks? US attack helicopters gunning down innocent women and children covering it up and reporting it as a strike on "insurgents",
53 moo : It's all I need - his actions and methods show no responsibility at all, so at best he's no better than the people you seem to think he is implicit in
54 DeltaMD90 : I can really see where you're coming from, but he could have accomplished what he wanted to do without releasing specific names (which serves no purp
55 Post contains images thegreatRDU : well that was moo was saying that...lives were possibly in harm's way because of the release of these cables....and of course it's a moo argument wow
56 Post contains images moo : And it would seem that you completely misunderstood the argument. Regardless of whether people actually died, the *manner* in which the documents wer
57 stealthz : My point exactly RDU, Assange is after getting attention for himself regardless of who gets hurt. I will say it again, there is a good case for great
58 SmittyOne : If he wants to paint himself (or any of you want to paint him) as a courageous whistle blower for releasing the documents, but not face the wrath of t
59 MD11Engineer : Actually, from what I read, he is accused of having held forcibly down and entered one woman without the condom they previously agreed for him to use
60 pvjin : This is perfect definition for US government too. But I find it hard to believe that someone with as much publicity as he has would just go and rape
61 MD11Engineer : Two nice definitions: "Having a penis is like living your life being handcuffed to the village idiot" "A man has a brain and a penis, but only enough
62 Post contains links and images NAV20 : So far only one thing is certain about this business. That this low-budget TV movie, made right here in Melbourne (long before the latest Assange cris
63 cmf : It was far from random women.
64 DeltaMD90 : 1: why is it "hard to believe," 2: there's a good chance that the women wouldn't say anything (after all, they 'agreed' to consensual sex, going from
65 pvjin : As long as Assange has not been proven guilty whole argument should be just ignored instead of blaming Assange for raping these women, he's innocent
66 DeltaMD90 : And no one is saying he's guilty (well maybe there are, but not Sweden and not me.) Sweden isn't taking him to throw him in jail, they're trying to q
67 mariner : Well, strictly speaking "possible" war crimes, at least in the first batch, but okay, certainly "state secrets" - and there is a price for that. He w
68 Post contains images qf002 : Yet, your view of the nation that is trying to expose his alleged crimes is: I would assume you'd have the same attitude towards the two women who ha
69 pu : A bit of conjecture based on everything I've read is that there IS evidence of condomless intercourse and that Assange is certain his tadpoles will b
70 CPH-R : Well, if you go back and look at the 'Collateral Murder' thread, you'll find that the US did in fact come clean back when it happened. All WikiLeaks
71 Post contains links NAV20 : Reading between the lines, it looks as if the 'possible future illness' may now have been promoted to an actual 'unknown illness.' WikiLeaks founder J
72 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Gotta be Mossad/the CIA But for real, hope he gets the treatment he needs.
73 qf002 : As am I -- you don't go to this much trouble to avoid questioning if you've not done anything wrong.
74 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Good one, DeltaMD90. I try to keep my posts as accurate as possible. A 'correction' to the previously-quoted story - the 'no immediate concern' comme
75 mariner : He may be quite seriously ill. But also, he wouldn't be the first to play the medical card. We just don't know - or I don't. I believe him to be psyc
76 moo : Then he can come out and get medical care at the expense of the British Government - and no, crossed fingers doesn't count. The only thing preventing
77 Ken777 : Maybe his problem is that his host is not providing ladies to keep him sated. And even Rosey Palm isn't helping. But I'm sure he understands that pri
78 pu : I've read with great interest your posts about life during the war as WW2 is kind of my hobby! Anybody ever worked in an office right under an air ve
79 Post contains images NAV20 : Sure - but he, of all people, ought to be savvy enough to realise that the medical card won't work; unless and until he gives himself up. Especially
80 mariner : I don't think he is necessarily thinking rationally about this. For all his brilliance (which I'm not questioning) he doesn't seem to have a lot of s
81 Post contains images NAV20 : Pretty well total agreement, mariner. I'm quite certain that they didn't; that they (from the president down) thought that, once they'd granted him '
82 Post contains links moo : http://uk.news.yahoo.com/guarantors-...assange-bail-payout-190958355.html He jumped bail, these people should lose their money - political asylum shou
83 Post contains images NAV20 : moo, the people who put up bail have already lost their money; because Assange definitely 'jumped bail' by not reporting to police at the appropriate
84 Post contains links mariner : He's trying to grab the limelight again: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/pol...-set-to-sue-pm-20121007-277h3.html "Assange set to sue PM JULIAN Assa
85 Quokkas : I wonder how much their decision was influenced by the friendly advice the British offered. You recall the bit about using a piece of British legisla
86 Post contains links NAV20 : Absolutely, mariner. And as to the 'expensive lawyers,' I wonder how the people who put up bail and sureties for Assange feel about that? There's no
87 Post contains links Quokkas : Indeed, but before a decision was made. Either way, it is clear that the ramifications were not thought through. The UK does have options regarding t
88 CPH-R : Given that Assange isn't in danger of actually going anywhere, I can easily imagine that the UK (and by extension Sweden) are only happy to let him s
89 Post contains links and images moo : Assanges backers have lost most of their money http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-19868355
90 Post contains links NAV20 : I've been assuming that all these surety people were financially 'comfortable' - but it turns out that many of them are not. Turns out that the judge
91 L-188 : I am not sure i have a lot of sympathy for those posted Assanges bail. I put in in the same file as Vegas, never bet more than you can afford to loose
92 dl021 : So this Smith guy says it would be a "betrayal" to criticize Assange for skipping bail? Then he ought to pay up the entire amount. If you put up bail
93 Post contains links Ken777 : If he's really ill then they can call a doctor in to see him. If that doesn't work then call an ambulance. Actually, IMO, it's just himself. So he op
94 Post contains images NAV20 : Many years since I was involved in the British property market, Ken777 (they've literally added about three noughts to all the values since then ). B
95 Ken777 : But you're still understanding the situation. Thanks for the information. That might be an approach for the Embassy as it gets rid of their headache.
96 MD11Engineer : Isn´t most land in the City of London owned by some old, aristocrat families, who have owned it since the middle ages and just lease it out? Jan
97 Post contains images CPH-R : Well, there is the old joke about the time the US wanted to buy Grosvenor Square in order to expand their embassy, and when they approached the Duke
98 NAV20 : Yeah - if I was them I'd be quietly 'discussing' the issues with the building owners. Although, on reflection, that might not be 'advisable' in their
99 Post contains links NAV20 : Looks like Assange is indeed seriously ill:- "ECUADOR is 'very concerned' about the health of Julian Assange after the WikiLeaks founder lost a lot of
100 Ken777 : They are looking for a way to get rid of the guy - and I can't blame them. The obvious part is that they don't appear to have called a Doctor in to s
101 NAV20 : Hi, Ken777, hope you're well? Agree entirely - except that they have to pander to their dictatorial boss back in Ecuador....... who will lose a lot o
102 Post contains images Ken777 : Maybe they can put something in the food they serve. A chocolate cake with icing made from Ex-Lax?
103 moo : I think it goes without saying that I agree with this completely - the current situation is 100% of Assanges own doing, and he's a wanted fugitive in
104 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Huh - thanks to the wonders of google, I'm able to 'diagnose' Assange's problems. "QUITO: Ecuador has requested a meeting with Britain to discuss the
105 pvjin : Can you really get enough sunshine in the UK at this time of the year? I thought it was raining or very cloudy most of the time like in here Finland.
106 Post contains images moo : I'm currently sat outside on the decking in tshirt and jeans, in south east England and its nicely sunny right now Oh, and I have a beer
107 NAV20 : pvjin, if you have 'daylight,' it's always 'sunlight' - since there is no other source of light. Even though you may not be able to see the sun, beca
108 pvjin : Ah ok, just wasn't sure if you still get enough light through clouds. Myself I take some additional vitamin D pills as during winter time even if the
109 Ken777 : The guy has a window in his little room. Open it, stick your head out for a bit. Maybe take of your t-shirt and sit by the open window. BFD. He can a
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