Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion? I don't think his cartoon drawing of a bomb at the UN did him any favors lol.
cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7713 posts, RR: 55 Reply 3, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2416 times:
Quoting flightfan4ever (Thread starter): Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion?
Yes, if the Israeli people have any sense of morality or self-preservation they will finally rid themselves of this monster. This madness has gone on long enough.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
pvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 549 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Only reason why Israel is so important to its citizens is over 2000 years old book which says that it's their promised land... So many problems would have been solved if the Jews had been given some other area after WW2, but no, of course it had to be their promised land that had already large Muslim population.
avi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 922 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (7 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2314 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3): i hope he will lose the upcoming election flat out and by a huge margin and Mrs Tzipi Livni will become the new Prims Minsiter of Israel.
You do know she lost the primaries in her party early this year and left it. Right?
Doesn't your remark summarize your (lake of) knowledge / understanding about what is going on in Israel (and by "your" I mean many in here).
While many here hope he will loss, can you name a different potential winner (try this time someone who is actually leading a political party)? In Israel no one can do it.
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1231 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2025 times:
Quoting kachum (Reply 33): I like how you guys hate Netanyahu. To me that means, he does the right thing.
Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
SFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 52 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40): Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.
Disagreeing with Netanyahu's views and policies equates to hating Jews?? How did you come up with that one?
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40): Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.
Yes, I'm a secret bigot and I'm opposed to a pre-emptive strike that would prove every piece of propaganda ever issued about Israel completely right and... wait what?
ImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1231 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2014 times:
FYI Israel is Jewish. That is why it is referred to as a Jewish State. They cannot be seperated in spite of what certain people say to try to justify their political leanings. Yes, you can criticize BiBi without being an anti-semite, but, the anti-semites enjoy hiding behind the cloak of "just criticizing BiBi, AND if you watch who posts what here, with regularity, it becomes pretty obvious who is whom.
kachum From Belarus, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1996 times:
Quoting SFBdude (Reply 41): Disagreeing with Netanyahu's views and policies equates to hating Jews?? How did you come up with that one?
You can disagree with his views and policies, but many here believe that he is the biggest threat to world peace and things of that nature. This is not rational.
For example, who is worse, Netanyahu or our guy Lukashenko? You might say this is beside this topic, but anyway, anyone care or at least know about Lukashenko and what is going on in Belarus? It is 10 million people, more than Israel and Palestine together, for God's sake.
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8358 posts, RR: 47 Reply 16, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1978 times:
Quoting kachum (Reply 46): You might say this is beside this topic, but anyway, anyone care or at least know about Lukashenko and what is going on in Belarus?
I care and I have some knowledge. How are the teddy bears doing?
Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
EDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 293 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
There are plenty of people who disagree with Israeli policies - that does not make anti-semites.
There are also, without doubt, some genuine anti-semites here. We all know who they are, despite what they may claim...The more they post, the more apparent it becomes.
Back on topic
Quoting pvjin (Reply 4): I do too, he's evil and supports violent policies. It's time for Israel to try and get some peace.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5): Yes, if the Israeli people have any sense of morality or self-preservation they will finally rid themselves of this monster. This madness has gone on long enough.
I dont like Netanyahu and i wish there was someone else in Israel who can step up to the task... Livni is not the answer.
Saying that, it does not make any difference who is the PM, as far as Iran is concerned. And as far as Palestinians, well, after Rabin we had Peres, Barak, Sharon, Netaniyahu and still no agreement of any kind...Hamas in power, Abbas is irelevant.
You can't make peace without partner....
Camp David 2000...The opportunity lost, probably forever...
flyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 1294 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 43): FYI Israel is Jewish. That is why it is referred to as a Jewish State. They cannot be seperated in spite of what certain people say to try to justify their political leanings.
That's the most serious error anyone can make when trying to understand Israel and its history.
By the way, do you know about how "Christian" the United States are, at least in legal terms?
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
You can debate how "official" this is, but it was enacted by the Senate of the United States.
David
[Edited 2012-10-11 13:24:33]
Even a letdown, if it is thoroughly and final, is a step forward.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5318 posts, RR: 47 Reply 19, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1853 times:
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40): Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated.
I'm calling your bluff. Who are these people? Where is your proof? I don't see anyone here that "hates Jews." Did you know that disagreeing with Israel's policies DOES NOT make you anti-Jew?
He don't think he will accept any proof, or offer any.
In 1968, Uri Avnery wrote the book "Israel Without Zionists: A Plea for Peace in the Middle East", pointing out the fatal flaw inherent in the State of Israel. As long as the survival of the Jewish religion and culture is amalgamated with the existence of a certain state, there won't be a sober meeting between Israeli and Palestinian leaders.
As an antidote, the Arab side will inevitably defend their own ideology and honor their own suffering.
Now, 44 years later...
David
Even a letdown, if it is thoroughly and final, is a step forward.
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1934 posts, RR: 17 Reply 21, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 50): it really sounds as if you took it to mean the same thing as well.
There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1835 times:
There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.
Not its followers, but its appeal and future.
It may just be pronoun usage but you sure do sound like you're advocating a war of religious hatred and intolerance, or at the very least you wouldn't mind if it happened.
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2047 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Quoting flightfan4ever (Thread starter): Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion?
I don't think he's a maniac, but I consider him a threat to Mideast stability. The Mideast is just a bomb ready to go off and the spark will be a unilateral attack from Israel. The Iranian government, while brutal, I don't think would ever get a nuclear weapon or even attack Israel. The wrath of world powers upon the country would be too much (and I'd like to think that Russia and China will abstain from aiding Iran due to their first attack). Netanyahu has many qualities of a leader, but not when it can cause instability both in the region and the world economy and the rhetoric to attack Iran isn't helping.
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7): If the Arabs lie down their weapons there will be peace in the Middle East.
If Israel lies down her weapons-----there will be no Israel.
So far, the nearest Arab neighbors are:
Egypt, which (reluctantly) continues to abide by the peace treaty
Jordan, which also abides by a peace treaty
Syria, which is dealing with its internal turmoil and has maintained a ceasefire for quite sometime.
Lebanon, which has also maintained a ceasefire.
Let's go further:
Iraq has been tranquil after the US invasion.
Saudi Arabia, while hostile to Israel, was the one who proposed the Arab peace plan (and many of us believe that when it comes to choosing between supporting Iran or Israel, they'll back Israel).
The Gulf monarchies, while hostile too, refrain from rhetoric.
The last war started by an Arab country (not an Arab terrorist group like Hezbollah) was in 1973: the Yom Kippur War. All subsequent wars were Israeli invasions to defeat Hezbollah and other groups.
So who's raising weapons now?
Quoting aloges (Reply 13): Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7):
If the Arabs lie down their weapons there will be peace in the Middle East.
If Israel lies down her weapons-----there will be no Israel.
You forgot one: If Israel stops stealig Arab land, there will be a basis for peace. Even Sharon could see that.
Ehud Olmert also saw that.
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
flyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 1294 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1818 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 54): Not its followers, but its appeal and future.
I don't get it how you want to achieve that.
How is it Islam's fault, anyway?
Saudi Arabia, for example, harbors a Salafist interpretation of the Muslim faith. A liberal Islam is nowhere to be seen there. Many oppressive Islamic regimes have invited religious "scholars" with the intention of teaching the faith in a way that supports the regime itself: Whoever criticises the government does not believe in God the Almighty.
In such an environment, Islam turned into a religion that consists of laws, duties and punishments. Sadly, in many countries Islam is a means to an end, instead of being an end of its own.
That's why we should have a strict separation of church and state, in Israel, in Saudi-Arabia, in the U.S. and anywhere else. No government should ever care about religions.
To practise a belief can be so rewarding... but sadly, many people don't get it right.
David
Even a letdown, if it is thoroughly and final, is a step forward.
25 aloges: You seem to forget about the difference between defending a religion and defending the freedom of (and from) religion. That freedom can only exist if
26 Newark727: True enough, but it still kind of serves my point. If entire violent, xenophobic, totalitarian governments can arise without any religious justificat
27 PHX787: Throughout this whole Arab Spring we have seen Saudi Arabia as the mediator throughout the middle east. They are the ones who wish for peace. I've se
28 SOBHI51: Unless it is a war that ends with the destruction of all human live there is nothing that can kill Islam as a religion nor its appeal nor its future,
29 ME AVN FAN: Perfectly correct. HOWEVER, all signs rather show that he will WIN in a fairly big way. The mess in Syria of course helps him, as does the weakness o
30 MadameConcorde: There he goes again taking advantage of the US election spouting aggressive threats. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g1c4xDLENF...OJBMRFnAI/s1600/netanyahu+
31 DeltaMD90: Let him talk... better than him acting!
32 Quokkas: Agreed. For all the talk of surgical and precision strikes the effect of such attacks would be more than just a sub-terranean building blowing up. Fo
33 777way: Not at all, go study Islam if you want to know about its future.
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