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Israel: Netanyahu Announces Snap Elections  
User currently offlineflightfan4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu has announced that an election will be held "as soon as possible":

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/06558...8d-00144feabdc0.html#axzz28scxwhKt

Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion? I don't think his cartoon drawing of a bomb at the UN did him any favors lol.

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting flightfan4ever (Thread starter):
Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion?

me me me me me me me....

the sooner they get rid of him, the better... he is so mean and arrogant... his policies do no good to his country... the place needs some peace!

i hope he will lose the upcoming election flat out and by a huge margin and Mrs Tzipi Livni will become the new Prims Minsiter of Israel.

        

Netanyahu Vs. GANGNAM STYLE - Noy Alooshe Remix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-1cvOsX70k&feature=youtu.be

  



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2759 times:

I do too, he's evil and supports violent policies. It's time for Israel to try and get some peace.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7934 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2750 times:

Quoting flightfan4ever (Thread starter):
Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion?

Yes, if the Israeli people have any sense of morality or self-preservation they will finally rid themselves of this monster. This madness has gone on long enough.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 2733 times:

Imagine this...

Iranian President Ahamainejad (the nut case) will be done with in about 6 months time. He cannot run for President again.

Netanyahu (the other nut case) loses the next election in Israel by a huge margin and he gets out of the way.

Hawk war monger Mitt Romeny is defeated. Obama keeps the job and he refuses to attack Iran.

The world would certainly be a better and safer place.

           



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Only reason why Israel is so important to its citizens is over 2000 years old book which says that it's their promised land... So many problems would have been solved if the Jews had been given some other area after WW2, but no, of course it had to be their promised land that had already large Muslim population.


"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineavi From Israel, joined Sep 2001, 935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
i hope he will lose the upcoming election flat out and by a huge margin and Mrs Tzipi Livni will become the new Prims Minsiter of Israel.

You do know she lost the primaries in her party early this year and left it. Right?
Doesn't your remark summarize your (lake of) knowledge / understanding about what is going on in Israel (and by "your" I mean many in here).

While many here hope he will loss, can you name a different potential winner (try this time someone who is actually leading a political party)? In Israel no one can do it.



Long live the B747
User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2611 times:

Quoting avi (Reply 14):
Not as much as the left doesn't really exist and what does exist (the center) is split.

Hm... would it really have to be a "left" candidate? I'm under the impression that centrists and moderates aren't typical supporters of Netanyahu.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2038 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Netanyahu is probably not calling for snap elections now because he expects to lose big, quite the opposite.


Tonight we fly
User currently offlinekachum From Belarus, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

I like how you guys hate Netanyahu. To me that means, he does the right thing.

User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2063 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
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Quoting kachum (Reply 33):
I like how you guys hate Netanyahu. To me that means, he does the right thing.

Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlineSFBdude From United States of America, joined Apr 2011, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.

Disagreeing with Netanyahu's views and policies equates to hating Jews?? How did you come up with that one?


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated. Of course, they come across as great proponents of peace and love for all mankind just to hide their true intentions. Oh well, they are entitled to their opinions.

Yes, I'm a secret bigot and I'm opposed to a pre-emptive strike that would prove every piece of propaganda ever issued about Israel completely right and... wait what?


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2063 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2348 times:
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Quoting SFBdude (Reply 41):
there are a few posters

Comprehension skills?

FYI Israel is Jewish. That is why it is referred to as a Jewish State. They cannot be seperated in spite of what certain people say to try to justify their political leanings. Yes, you can criticize BiBi without being an anti-semite, but, the anti-semites enjoy hiding behind the cloak of "just criticizing BiBi, AND if you watch who posts what here, with regularity, it becomes pretty obvious who is whom.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 42):
I'm a secret bigot

O.k. that's your right and your business, however, are you sure it's a secret?



"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough!"
User currently offlinehelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting SFBdude (Reply 41):
Disagreeing with Netanyahu's views and policies equates to hating Jews?? How did you come up with that one?

Well if a liberal did something like that he'd be accused of playing the Race Card.   


User currently offlinekachum From Belarus, joined Jul 2006, 64 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting SFBdude (Reply 41):
Disagreeing with Netanyahu's views and policies equates to hating Jews?? How did you come up with that one?

You can disagree with his views and policies, but many here believe that he is the biggest threat to world peace and things of that nature. This is not rational.
For example, who is worse, Netanyahu or our guy Lukashenko? You might say this is beside this topic, but anyway, anyone care or at least know about Lukashenko and what is going on in Belarus? It is 10 million people, more than Israel and Palestine together, for God's sake.

This is how he came up with that one.

[Edited 2012-10-11 08:31:25]

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

Quoting kachum (Reply 46):
You might say this is beside this topic, but anyway, anyone care or at least know about Lukashenko and what is going on in Belarus?

I care and I have some knowledge. How are the teddy bears doing?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

There are plenty of people who disagree with Israeli policies - that does not make anti-semites.

There are also, without doubt, some genuine anti-semites here. We all know who they are, despite what they may claim...The more they post, the more apparent it becomes.


Back on topic

Quoting pvjin (Reply 4):
I do too, he's evil and supports violent policies. It's time for Israel to try and get some peace.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 5):
Yes, if the Israeli people have any sense of morality or self-preservation they will finally rid themselves of this monster. This madness has gone on long enough.

I dont like Netanyahu and i wish there was someone else in Israel who can step up to the task... Livni is not the answer.
Saying that, it does not make any difference who is the PM, as far as Iran is concerned. And as far as Palestinians, well, after Rabin we had Peres, Barak, Sharon, Netaniyahu and still no agreement of any kind...Hamas in power, Abbas is irelevant.

You can't make peace without partner....




Camp David 2000...The opportunity lost, probably forever...


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2049 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 43):
FYI Israel is Jewish. That is why it is referred to as a Jewish State. They cannot be seperated in spite of what certain people say to try to justify their political leanings.

That's the most serious error anyone can make when trying to understand Israel and its history.

By the way, do you know about how "Christian" the United States are, at least in legal terms?

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

You can debate how "official" this is, but it was enacted by the Senate of the United States.


David

[Edited 2012-10-11 13:24:33]


Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 40):
Yes, there are a few posters here that hate the Jewish people so bad they would love nothing better than to see Israel obliterated.

I'm calling your bluff. Who are these people? Where is your proof? I don't see anyone here that "hates Jews." Did you know that disagreeing with Israel's policies DOES NOT make you anti-Jew?



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2049 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 52):

He don't think he will accept any proof, or offer any.


In 1968, Uri Avnery wrote the book "Israel Without Zionists: A Plea for Peace in the Middle East", pointing out the fatal flaw inherent in the State of Israel. As long as the survival of the Jewish religion and culture is amalgamated with the existence of a certain state, there won't be a sober meeting between Israeli and Palestinian leaders.

As an antidote, the Arab side will inevitably defend their own ideology and honor their own suffering.


Now, 44 years later...


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2038 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 50):
it really sounds as if you took it to mean the same thing as well.

There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.

Not its followers, but its appeal and future.



Tonight we fly
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 54):


There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.

Not its followers, but its appeal and future.

It may just be pronoun usage but you sure do sound like you're advocating a war of religious hatred and intolerance, or at the very least you wouldn't mind if it happened.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 2678 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting flightfan4ever (Thread starter):
Who else on this forum wishes that this maniac will be voted into oblivion?

I don't think he's a maniac, but I consider him a threat to Mideast stability. The Mideast is just a bomb ready to go off and the spark will be a unilateral attack from Israel. The Iranian government, while brutal, I don't think would ever get a nuclear weapon or even attack Israel. The wrath of world powers upon the country would be too much (and I'd like to think that Russia and China will abstain from aiding Iran due to their first attack). Netanyahu has many qualities of a leader, but not when it can cause instability both in the region and the world economy and the rhetoric to attack Iran isn't helping.

Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7):
If the Arabs lie down their weapons there will be peace in the Middle East.
If Israel lies down her weapons-----there will be no Israel.

So far, the nearest Arab neighbors are:
Egypt, which (reluctantly) continues to abide by the peace treaty
Jordan, which also abides by a peace treaty
Syria, which is dealing with its internal turmoil and has maintained a ceasefire for quite sometime.
Lebanon, which has also maintained a ceasefire.

Let's go further:
Iraq has been tranquil after the US invasion.
Saudi Arabia, while hostile to Israel, was the one who proposed the Arab peace plan (and many of us believe that when it comes to choosing between supporting Iran or Israel, they'll back Israel).
The Gulf monarchies, while hostile too, refrain from rhetoric.

The last war started by an Arab country (not an Arab terrorist group like Hezbollah) was in 1973: the Yom Kippur War. All subsequent wars were Israeli invasions to defeat Hezbollah and other groups.

So who's raising weapons now?

Quoting aloges (Reply 13):
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7):
If the Arabs lie down their weapons there will be peace in the Middle East.
If Israel lies down her weapons-----there will be no Israel.

You forgot one: If Israel stops stealig Arab land, there will be a basis for peace. Even Sharon could see that.

Ehud Olmert also saw that.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2049 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 54):
Not its followers, but its appeal and future.

I don't get it how you want to achieve that.

How is it Islam's fault, anyway?

Saudi Arabia, for example, harbors a Salafist interpretation of the Muslim faith. A liberal Islam is nowhere to be seen there. Many oppressive Islamic regimes have invited religious "scholars" with the intention of teaching the faith in a way that supports the regime itself: Whoever criticises the government does not believe in God the Almighty.

In such an environment, Islam turned into a religion that consists of laws, duties and punishments. Sadly, in many countries Islam is a means to an end, instead of being an end of its own.

That's why we should have a strict separation of church and state, in Israel, in Saudi-Arabia, in the U.S. and anywhere else. No government should ever care about religions.


To practise a belief can be so rewarding... but sadly, many people don't get it right.  


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8617 posts, RR: 43
Reply 25, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 54):
There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without.

You seem to forget about the difference between defending a religion and defending the freedom of (and from) religion. That freedom can only exist if people defend it with no preference for any particular religion.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 67):
I don't think that these governments really used Buddhism as an excuse for violent actions like many did during Middle Ages in Europe, Buddhism in its true form simply can't be used to justify any kind of violence like Christianity and Islam can be.

True enough, but it still kind of serves my point. If entire violent, xenophobic, totalitarian governments can arise without any religious justification, pinning every violent act on Islam in countries that practice it, and saying that this has been the case for over a millennium, as Asturias currently seems to be doing, is a bit questionable.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 6944 posts, RR: 18
Reply 27, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 23):
Saudi Arabia, while hostile to Israel, was the one who proposed the Arab peace plan (and many of us believe that when it comes to choosing between supporting Iran or Israel, they'll back Israel).

   Throughout this whole Arab Spring we have seen Saudi Arabia as the mediator throughout the middle east. They are the ones who wish for peace. I've seen absolutely nothing that suggests that they would do anything against Israel, or any other nation in the middle east- at least at this time.

Saudi Arabia was the primary Arab nation sponsoring the NTC in Libya,
Saudi Arabia is sponsoring the rebels in Syria right now
And Saudi Arabia was also helping the overthrow of Egypt's dictator.

Of course numerous other nations were involved but you see my point,

I agree 100% that Saudi Arabia will probably back Israel when it comes to Iran, because Iran is the nation that is making these 'wipe off the face of the planet' threats. My Saudi Arabian friends at ASU will agree with me here.



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3241 posts, RR: 17
Reply 28, posted (1 year 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
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Quoting Asturias (Reply 21):
There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.

Not its followers, but its appeal and future.

Unless it is a war that ends with the destruction of all human live there is nothing that can kill Islam as a religion nor its appeal nor its future, period.



I am against any terrorist acts committed under the name of Islam
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 29, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 725 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 1):
the sooner they get rid of him, the better... he is so mean and arrogant... his policies do no good to his country... the place needs some peace!

Perfectly correct. HOWEVER, all signs rather show that he will WIN in a fairly big way. The mess in Syria of course helps him, as does the weakness of the Israeli opposition


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10735 posts, RR: 38
Reply 30, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 725 times:

There he goes again taking advantage of the US election spouting aggressive threats.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-g1c4xDLENF...OJBMRFnAI/s1600/netanyahu+meme.jpg

Netanyahu's Election Day Message--I'm Ready to Order a Strike on Iran

The Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has said he is ready to order a strike on Iran if international sanctions do not stop its nuclear programme.
"I am, of course, ready to press the button if necessary," he said.
Speaking on Israeli television, Mr Netanyahu also indicated Israel was prepared to act unilaterally.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20220566

How many times have we heard him saying he is ready to attack Iran?
Talk talk Netanyahu... talk talk...

 



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 31, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 723 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 30):
Talk talk Netanyahu... talk talk...

Let him talk... better than him acting!



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 719 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 31):
Let him talk... better than him acting!

Agreed.

For all the talk of surgical and precision strikes the effect of such attacks would be more than just a sub-terranean building blowing up. For one thing, there is more than one location to attack and, if the quantity and quality of the material is such as being claimed, then the potential deaths that would occur is quite high. I know it is fashionable on A.net to dismiss civilian deaths as collateral damage, pretending that they aren't actually people, but given that the locations of some sites are close to major centres of population the deaths could run into tens of thousands, if the strikes are actually effective.

But aside from the human fall-out, the political consequences are intriguing. Iran is quite different to Syria, where the attack did not require flying through a third country to reach the target. The assailants would not only have to reach their targets but also to return safely. Such attacks would have to be co-ordinated with Israel's neighbours, even if it simply means their looking the other way and pretending not to notice foreign aircraft in their airspace. This means that Israel would not be acting alone, even if publicly the US hasn't given the nod. In practice this means de facto recognition of Israel by the Arab States despite their notional de jure rejection of it. But we already know that: there is the Iraq precedent.

The question is, what capability to strike back does Iran have? If they can rain down terror on Israel, can Israel rely on the US to automatically attack Iran. If, as some people believe that the rulers of Iran believe that by defending the land of Islam they are going directly to heaven, will the US want a costly and protracted war? These questions lead me to ask, is Netanyahu's threatening just bluff and spruiking to win an election?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 33, posted (1 year 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 714 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 21):

There are a lot of defenders of islam, both within and without. In my opinion a war on the scale of a world war based on religious hatred and intolorance of islamic fundamentalists would indeed kill that religion forever.

Not its followers, but its appeal and future.

Not at all, go study Islam if you want to know about its future.


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