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NHL: NY Islanders Moving To Brooklyn  
User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1665 times:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/stor...-islanders-following-nets-brooklyn

"The Islanders announced Wednesday that they've agreed to move from Long Island to Brooklyn's Barclays Center and share the $1 billion arena with the Nets"

As a season ticket holder and life long fan this is very bittersweet. I am happy that the Islanders will stay in NY and I am happy that it will still be somewhat easy for me to get to (Instead of 20 minutes by car it will be 40 but I will now have the option for the train). I am sad that they are leaving Nassau where they do have such a rich history, but I am mostly saddened on how it went down.

Last August a referendum was brought up to the residents of Nassau on a new Arena. That failed horribly ( I was one of the few to vote yes!) and now these morons have nothing. No one is coming to perform at Nassau Coliseum! No concerts, shows, circus...nothing...You will get the home expo and that is it!. You will have an empty parking lot which will become a shanty town all because you morons were afraid of voting yes.

I will be happy to see all these politicians voted out who stood in the Isles way of building a new arena first with private funds and then with public funds.

I will be happy to take my money to Brooklyn.

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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9262 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):

Wow... I can see how that would be bittersweet. I was afraid the same thing was going to happen with the Pittsburgh Penguins with all of the talk about what to do with funding for a new arena. They were very close to becoming the Kansas City Penguins!

But yeah, at least they'll still be in New York. Don't you just LOVE it when the politicians come in and f[deleted] everything up?



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1903 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1647 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):
You will have an empty parking lot

You see an empty parking lot, I see an epic place to play ball hockey.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

This is a good move, the Nassau coliseum is a horrible venue. I attended a Pantera concert there in '94 and my ears were ringing for a month, also a riot broke out and the place was being torn to shreds. They should just bulldoze the entire site and make a nice park, that's what Long Island needs more than a mall (which is what will probably replace the Coliseum).


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):
Last August a referendum was brought up to the residents of Nassau on a new Arena. That failed horribly ( I was one of the few to vote yes!) and now these morons have nothing.

I voted against that referendum - I fully supported Wang's original "Lighthouse" plan, which would have been built with private funds, but Kate Murray and the NIMBYs in the Town of Hempstead killed that. I wasn't about to give Ed Mangano a blank check to build a new arena on my dime.

Quoting jfk69 (Thread starter):
Instead of 20 minutes by car it will be 40 but I will now have the option for the train

Good luck if you are going to a week night game. For kicks, I checked the LIRR schedule between Jamaica (where almost everyone would need to transfer through) and Atlantic Avenue for today. To arrive for a 7pm game, you only have a handful of trains headed that way - it's the middle of rush hour, and everything is headed out to the Island, so it's not like the railroad can add any extra capacity.



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User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

The Islanders are still in the NHL? By now I'd surely expect them to be demoted to the AHL....   

User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Well good for them. The Nassau Coliseum is a dump! I just hope they don't change the name to the Brooklyn Islanders!


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User currently offlineBlueLine From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

As an Islanders fan, I am relieved they won't be going to Kansas City, but a bit disappointed they won't really be playing on Long Island. The writing was on the wall for a move when the replacement for the Nassau Mausoleum was voted down. Based on how they have been playing, maybe they could have just moved across the street to Hofstra's arena.

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets. So you have to figure it to be at least 1,000 less for hockey, probably more. In Winnipeg, the MTS Centre seats 15,004, which translates into an average ticket price of $85. 5th highest in the NHL. The Brooklyn Islanders will have to charge significantly more to have an adequate revenue stream.

They would have been better advised to move to Toronto/Markham, the new building opening spring 2015. Will seat 19,000 for hockey.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

Now if they could just get the Dodgers to move back, that would be something


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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

If the Giants had moved back, you'd have a World Series in Brooklyn!  


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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets.

According to the reports in today's Newsday, it seats 18K for basketball, and about 14,500 for hockey (the Isles and Rangers were supposed to play a pre-season game there, but it was cancelled with the lock out). They are looking at ways to add to the seating capacity for hockey.



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5421 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):

They would have been better advised to move to Toronto/Markham, the new building opening spring 2015. Will seat 19,000 for hockey.

And pay territorial rights fees to Toronto and Buffalo? Not likely.



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

As someone who born, raised, educated and now lives as an employed adult on Long Island, I am really bummed to see this happen. I know, I know, Brooklyn is still technically Long Island, but for some reason NYCers and folks not from NY think there is some canal or river or something running down the border of Nassau and Queens which separates Queens and Kings counties from the rest of LI LOL. But basically this is a black eye for Long Island.

We don't need another park (there are a ton of town, county and state parks on LI), we definitely don't need another mall, Wal*Mart, Outlet Center, or anything like that. I know the venue sucked, but it was one of a few places where big events could be held indoors year-round ON LI instead of hopping on a train to Manhattan to go to the Javitz Center or MSG. Yes, I know, we still have Westbury and Jones Beach for entertainment venues, but Westbury (which I love) is small and Jones Beach is outdoors/exposed to the elements.

Beyond concerts and sports though, there were a lot of great things that would take place in Nassau Coliseum during the year. The circus was always great to bring the kids to, along with Disney on Ice. Got a kid in High School? Large College Nights were also held there over the years and car shows and all types of great things that I remember from growing up. Now? I have a feeling there will be nothing except another "thing we already have enough of" on this island. Think of the boost it would have brought to employ a bunch of people to build a new venue and tear down the old one! Ugh, yet another reason I want to get off this island, it keeps on changing for the worse  (...and that's coming from someone who is 32-years old and my first job here on LI at the age of 16 was working on a FARM which is now condos).



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 10):

If the Giants had moved back, you'd have a World Series in Brooklyn!

The New York Giants baseball team didn't play in Brooklyn, they played in Manhattan.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 6):
The Nassau Coliseum is a dump!

I agree with you! It looks like an old gas farm   

Any updates on when the NHL and NHLPA are going to get their heads out of their arses and get some hockey done?   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12840 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
The New York Giants baseball team didn't play in Brooklyn, they played in Manhattan.

Oops you are right, I got the Giants and the Dodgers mixed up!   



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User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...r-commitment-to-brooklyn-1.4147203

http://newyorkislandersadrift.blogsp...ate-murray-town-of-hempsteads.html

I think Kate Murray's going to become the most hated person in long island. Wang was genuinely interested in redeveloping the coliseum and surrounding area. This woman wanted her town to a quiet peaceful place free of heavy traffic and hordes of people well now she's got her wish. With the team gone and many surrounding businesses that depended on them gone as well the area will become real peaceful and quiet.   



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I am from Suffolk county and traveled to the coliseum to see the team play. Now that they are going to Brooklyn it is not likely I will be going to see them play anymore.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 19):
This woman wanted her town to a quiet peaceful place free of heavy traffic and hordes of people

If she wants that then she should move to eastern Suffolk county.



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User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 19):
I think Kate Murray's going to become the most hated person in long island.

I was at the game right after she shot the the LIghthouse project:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lighthouse_Project

and they put a message from her on the screen.....not too often you hear the "C" word at a sporting event being yelled by 10k fans. The lady is a cancer who has ZERO foresight for any growth on our little island.

And to the rest of the idiot politicians who think that they will fill the coliseum with other events??? WAKE UP. You have MSG, The Barclays and Prudential center all within 30 miles....NO BIG ACTS WILL WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE!
For the month of October, the coliseum had 2 events....thats right....2

can't wait to see my tax bill.


User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1430 times:

I'm not a hockey fan, but man, it would have been nice to finally have a permanent sports team at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. I think this may have been the last chance. It's a great facility that seems doomed to never have a permanent tenant.

[Edited 2012-10-25 06:33:53]

[Edited 2012-10-25 06:34:14]

User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting moose135 (Reply 11):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
I believe the Barclay Centre will seat about 14,000 for the Nets.

According to the reports in today's Newsday, it seats 18K for basketball, and about 14,500 for hockey (the Isles and Rangers were supposed to play a pre-season game there, but it was cancelled with the lock out). They are looking at ways to add to the seating capacity for hockey.

Everything I'd read previously indicated 14,000 for basketball, but clearly I was wrong. If they can do 14,500 for hockey, they should be able to make a go of it. One thing the Jets have in their favour in a small market is that the team owner (True North S&E) also own the building, so all revenues go into one pot. I don't see that's the case with the Islanders.

Our local football team, Blue Bombers, move into a new facility next year (Investors Group Field, seats 34,000, http://www.bluebombers.com/page/stadium-2012) and as part of financing and lease arrangements, the BB get all the ticket revenue, concessions inc beer, parking, everything. So their bottom line will be much better than now. Controlling the building revenue is a big key to a successful operation. I don't see that (not obviously, anyway) with the Islanders moving.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 14):
And pay territorial rights fees to Toronto and Buffalo? Not likely.

Bettman had previously indicated that possibly moving the Islanders to Markham, the Leafs would get no compensation. They don't need the money, they need a team. I think Buffalo is far enough away to be out of the picture. Buffalo only ever came up when Hamilton looked like a possibility.



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User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Everything I'd read previously indicated 14,000 for basketball, but clearly I was wrong. If they can do 14,500 for hockey, they should be able to make a go of it.

I think its been confirmed that there will be fewer seats for hockey games than basketball. Which is a major issue because that means that ticket prices will be obscenely expensive. Its obvious that their long term plan is to attract new fans from Brooklyn and other parts of the city. Many fans from Long Island will probably not be able to afford to see the team on a regular basis. Not to mention traveling on the LIRR during rush hour is pure hell.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

I question the long-term viability of the Isles playing in Brooklyn. I would venture to guess that the bulk of hockey fans in Brooklyn (and Queens) are Rangers fans and would rather continue to chant "Potvin Sucks" than to support the Isles. Weeknight attendance will likely be abysmal since many fans will be less likely to make the commute from Nassau and Suffolk counties to Brooklyn since they would likely not get home from games until close to midnight. There was an article in Newsday I was reading in which some season ticket holders said that they would not renew once the team moved to Brooklyn and would likely attend a handful of games.

Many longtime Islanders fans upset

With the team moving to Brooklyn, will the hipsters start wearing Isles jerseys of obscure Isles players..... Perhaps they'll revive the "Fisherman" logo in have him wearing a plaid shirt and holding a PBR.....   

Quoting sw733 (Reply 22):
I'm not a hockey fan, but man, it would have been nice to finally have a permanent sports team at the Sprint Center in Kansas City. I think this may have been the last chance. It's a great facility that seems doomed to never have a permanent tenant.

There were rumblings of the Hornets, Grizzlies or possibly the Kings moving to K.C. (Although the Kings were likely headed to Anaheim had the arena matter in Sacramento not been settled.), but that never came to fruition. If the NBA were to add two more teams, they would likely go to K.C. and Seattle.

I don't see K.C. getting an NHL team in the future either. There are cities that the NHL would consider before K.C., including Oklahoma City, which tried to get one of the expansion teams in the 1998/1999/2000 NHL expansion but Columbus beat them for it. Besides Canadian markets like Quebec City and the GTA/York/Golden Horseshoe area, Houston has been eyed as a possible future market (Largest US TV market without an NHL team.) as has Seattle (Seattle was looking at the Isles as a possible tenant for their new arena.).


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1332 times:

Quoting jfk69 (Reply 19):
And to the rest of the idiot politicians who think that they will fill the coliseum with other events??? WAKE UP. You have MSG, The Barclays and Prudential center all within 30 miles....NO BIG ACTS WILL WANT TO COME HERE ANYMORE!

There's also the Izod, former Continental Airlines, arena. Way too many venues chasing fewer and fewer acts. The Izod center and the Nassau coliseum need to be torn down.



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25 ltbewr : The Nassau Coluseim is functionally obsolete, the taxpayers and politcans sure don't want to subdise any replacement, so the Islanders moving to The B
26 connies4ever : I agree. In fact, today's Globe and Mail had a very interesting piece by Eric Duhatschek on "what would a 12 (or 24) team NHL look like ?". It's rela
27 Post contains links alberchico : http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...au-s-26-million-mta-debt-1.4154523 So now on top of the Islanders debacle Nassau county gets stuck paying a 26
28 bjorn14 : My question is why does NY/NJ need THREE hockey teams? Just askin'.
29 Post contains images moose135 : Because we are the center of the known universe.
30 sw733 : With a metro area of approximately 22 million, that still means one NHL team per 7.33 million people. Phoenix has one for 4 million people (metro are
31 Post contains images PHX787 : LOL Especially when they're the WORST fans ever I saw something recently that said when the lockout ends, the guy who bought the yotes will finally t
32 jfk69 : Yes but there are also many fans who were unable to buy season tixx due to the fact that they worked in the city and the 7pm start time with zero pub
33 Post contains images sw733 : I think Philly sports fans are way worse!
34 steeler83 : MMMmm... My vote for that goes to Boston... But yeah, some Philly fans can be downright obnoxious... Particularly those of the Birds and Flyers...
35 srbmod : Greed by the NHL and some of the owners...... When the Colorado Rockies were sold and relocated to New Jersey, they had to compensate the Rangers, th
36 steeler83 : Wow... after reading that, I am greatful a philanthropist like Mario Lemieux owns the Penguins and that he was able to keep them in the Burgh...
37 dragon-wings : I saw in Newsday that Wang signing a 25 year iron clad contract that he couldn't get out of, so if this does not work out they are stuck there for 25
38 moose135 : I haven't heard any details of the lease arrangement, but Wang's a pretty sharp guy, so I imagine he's comfortable with the deal. Remember, he retire
39 connies4ever : Interesting to note that with only 750,000 people, Winnipeg has sold out every game for 5 years in an arena that seats 15,000. 15,000 / 750,000 = 0.0
40 srbmod : Lemiuex ended up with the team as when the team was bankrupt, he was the biggest creditor (as he deferred salary to help keep the team afloat) and sw
41 Post contains images moose135 : But seriously, it's not like there's anything else to do in Winnipeg...
42 Post contains images srbmod : Well there's Blue Bombers games during the early part of the season....... Even with the MTS Centre sold out for every game, the attendance numbers a
43 Post contains images connies4ever : You have to be related to Dieter Brock. But seriously, life isn't entirely a red meat diet. There is a huge amount of cultural activity in Winnipeg.
44 steeler83 : srbmod, you made me laugh with that last statement. They tanked on purpose, and then the Hockey gods spoke. Good stuff! I forgot about how Mario resu
45 apodino : I have been saying for the past couple of years that this needed to happen. It makes so much sense. Wang doesn't have to get taxpayer money because th
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