MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4041 times:
A monster storm is about to hit the Eastern Region of the United States. As with every major storm worldwide I am trying to keep myself updated with maps and news of how/where the storm is moving.
tz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2836 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4036 times:
Well, currently I'm waiting it out at my apartment at school here in Wilmington, DE, so I'm smack dab in the middle of the projected path. I am under a mandatory evacuation so I could go home, but my home is under one as well and near the Atlantic so I'm probably safer here. I endured Irene last year and hurricanes and tropical storms for the last 23 so I'll know when it's time to pack up and head for higher ground. So far its looking mainly like a wind event. I'll provide updates and pictures if possible.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 2, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4021 times:
Thank you for your imput.
This advisory just came in my mailbox:
Singapore Airlines
New York flights cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy
Hurricane Sandy is expected make landfall along the east coast of the United States on Monday, 29 October 2012 (local time).
The tropical storm is expected to bring about significant impact, including flooding, power outages and major transportation disruptions, to major cities such as New York.
As a result, Singapore Airlines has cancelled the following services:
- SQ26 on 28Oct* (Frankfurt to John F Kennedy International, New York)
- SQ22/21 on 29Oct (Singapore to Newark International, New York)
*Singapore to Frankfurt service on SQ26/28 Oct will operate as scheduled.
BlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3984 times:
I'm here in the Virginia suburbs of the D.C. area, near IAD. We're expecting a good bit of rain and some strong winds, but should be okay, maybe some power outages but should be okay I think.
nickh From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 98 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3974 times:
A site that you all might find interesting--I have occasionally looked at the Havaria RSOE/EDIS (Emergency Disaster Information Service), based out of Hungary - when some natural disaster occurs around the world. If you drill down, it will give you a lot of information - I used it when Hurricane Katrina and Ian hit my home area of the Texas Gulf Coast.
foppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3857 times:
I'm in Chelsea, Manhattan. Classes are cancelled and schools are closed for tomorrow. I have a midterm exam on Tuesday so I'm waiting for the decision whether Tuesday's classes are cancelled, too. Storm prep is done.
That being said, it doesn't feel like a storm is coming...at least in my area, it doesn't feel like it.
dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3920 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3842 times:
Im on Long Island (Suffolk County) and right now it's just a bit breezy (wind NE at 23mph gusting to 38mph). I live about 6 miles from the water so I am not worried about flooding here (it has never flooded here in 30 years), I am more concerned about the strong winds. During Hurricane Irene last year we had lots of tree branches down and lost power for 3 days. I am expecting the same thing to happen with this storm, with maybe more tree damage.
planeguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1067 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
I'm in upper manhattan and other than neighbors being idiots and not bringing stuff indoors it's just some wind so far.
I flew into JFK today and there were some bumps, but definitely not the worst I've experienced. I got smart a few days ago and changed my flight to an earlier time. Otherwise I would have been stuck elsewhere.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3781 times:
We were expecting a lot more rain in South Florida Thursday night through Friday but the west side of the storm get killed by dry air. It was fairly windy here Thursday-Saturday and we still have some large waves and lots of beach erosion but no damage or anything like that.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3688 times:
finally a voice of reason :
WHY is everyone in SUCH a panic about hurricane (i'm calling it Sally)..? Stop projecting negativity! Think positive and pray for peace.
— Lindsay Lohan (@lindsaylohan)
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
Thousands of people were stranded Sunday as U.S. airlines canceled nearly 8,000 flights through Tuesday ahead of the two storm systems converging on the East Coast.
With Hurricane Sandy looming, airlines suspended operations at airports from Washington up to Boston. Carriers canceled 1,270 flights scheduled for Sunday, according to FlightAware.com, a flight-tracking website. As of Sunday night, airlines also canceled 5,900 flights scheduled for Monday and almost 800 flights Tuesday. FlightAware said it expects airlines to cancel more flights scheduled for Tuesday and Wednesday. Many travelers will have to wait until Wednesday to fly.
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3554 times:
There could be very serious damage to the USA's economy and in millions of people's lives, many billions in damage, 1000's of lost homes, major infrastructural damage in low-lying including buildings, subways in NYC, tunnels, airports, seaports and so on. Many coastal areas, especially barrier islands could quite literally be wiped out and many structures washed away, no longer habitable. Millions will not be able to go to work, so they will use lose income. Massive power outages could mean many areas badly affected for weeks with their own problems. The economic damage could badly hurt Christmas shopping. 1000's of excessive deaths could occur due to storm related stresse, inabiltiy for emergency services to get to ill people, injures from storm wind damage, some hospitals damaged from the storms.
Another potential problem could be the Presidential election next week as million of voters could see serious impediments in the ability to get to polls or polling places unable to be operated as their facilities damaged or power still out. That could have serious and unknown affects on the national elections
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 14, posted (6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
I am looking at the storm chasers live feeds. There isn't much at this time but the one live feed from the NYC area looks pretty bad with fierce powerful winds and a lot of noise. http://www.chasertv.com/
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3484 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14): I would not be surprised if the election was put off and set to a later date.
Not sure if that is possible. The election is in 8 days. The two problems with that could be some polling places without power and some areas still being flooded. It will be interesting to see if the storm surge is as high as they say it will be. I am most worried for the NYC metro area since many of those areas do not have beaches protecting property and homes. Also the subway lines could have a flooding problem. It is a little worrisome that there already needs to be rescues in Delaware. It is odd associating hurricanes with floods for someone from Miami who deals with hurricanes more often than anyone else but flooding is almost never a problem down here.
This storm is massive though. The wind field is like nothing I ever seen before and it got a little bit stronger over the night. Thankfully the winds are still not very strong so wind damage is not something we will have to worry about too much. Water is usually the biggest problem with hurricanes anyway though. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/grap...+shtml/092341.shtml?radii#contents
Also I know that the national hurricane center (NHC) is suppose to let local weather offices take care of these types of storms as it is no longer a "tropical hurricane" something like that but I think this was the wrong time to follow the "rules". The NHC is the best in the world at predictings these storms and setting up warnings etc.. They are still following it but not like they usually do and they are not setting up the normal warnings.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
us330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3746 posts, RR: 14 Reply 16, posted (6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3440 times:
In downtown Washington near Union Station. Getting some heavy rain and wind right now, but nothing too extreme yet. Public transit is shut down for the day, and my school has cancelled all events and classes--only people who are supposed to be at school are emergency personnel. Even our library is closed--which for grad school is a big thing!
According to the Washington Post's website, things aren't supposed to get really bad until later this afternoon and this evening.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18902 posts, RR: 64 Reply 17, posted (6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3434 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14): I would not be surprised if the election was put off and set to a later date.
Based upon what? People outside of the U.S. forget sometimes that we don't have "national" elections, per se. When I cast my vote for President, I'm actually voting for a local person to represent me in the Electoral College, who isn't even bound by law to cast their vote for the person they're nominated to vote for. Some local jurisdictions may extend voting, candidates may round up busses to bring voters to the polls, but the vote will happen on the first Tuesday in November as scheduled.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 18, posted (6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
I can hear sirens along with fierce winds noise on the storm chasers live feed.
From the news feeds it looks really bad while the core of the storm hasn't really hit yet.
Looking at the satellite picture this is truly a monster storm.
Damage from Hurricane Sandy could be catastrophic
TOTAL econ damage could be 100-BILLION dollars
About 60 million people are in the path of Sandy, AccuWeather meteorologist Alex Sosnowski says, and billions of dollars of damage are expected as the storm roars through. http://www.usatoday.com/story/weathe.../hurricane-sandy-forecast/1663863/
This is really serious.
All A.netters on the hurricane path please keep safe. Please don't take unnecessary risks.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 20, posted (6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3363 times:
This hurricane is not the Apocalypse but it looks pretty bad.
U.S. President Obama plans to make statement at 12:45 pm after his Situation Room briefing on Hurricane Sandy.
:
What To Do If Sandy Knocks Your Power Out
Pennsylvania will likely be hit hard by Hurricane Sandy. The Monday morning projection shows the storm will make its way across southeast Pennsylvania, before turning north over Huntingdon County. Governor Corbett has urged people to prepare to go several days without power.
So what, exactly, should you do if the lights out? A press release from the Public Utility Commission lists suggestions:
Hurricane Sandy viewed from the International Space Station with feed from the astronauts
Hurricane Sandy -- Pass 1, Oct. 29, 2012
Hurricane Sandy was viewed Monday morning from the International Space Station as it orbited 260 miles above the Atlantic Ocean. Sandy had sustained winds of 90 miles an hour as the station passed above the hurricane.
foppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
Can we all just agree that nobody wishes anybody harm? Though the hype may be questionable and the fact that we can't predict whether this will be another Irene, we all just want everybody to be safe?
In other news, I just went downstairs to sneak in a smoke and a gust of wind literally blew me away...off balance and almost fell. If Midtown Manhattan is getting this, I can't imagine what the coast is getting now.
Truly inspiring...but I did a little fact check. Again, truly inspiring...doesn't matter when this picture was taken, hats off to the guys.
Quote: Only one problem, however: That photo wasn’t from Sandy at all, according to the Old Guard infantry unit tasked with keeping watch over the famous memorial.
fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4265 posts, RR: 12 Reply 31, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2818 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 14): I would not be surprised if the election was put off and set to a later date.
Someone in Congress would need to introduce a bill, it would need to pass both houses and then President Obama would need to sign it. All in the dwindling amount of time left before the election. Then, the entire country, except those state legislatures that immediately change their respective election days, would have to have 2 elections. One for the president and US representatives and another for senator (if applicable) and any local offices.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17): but the vote will happen on the first Tuesday in November as scheduled.
The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November.
My brother in NJ (Clifton) is without power. My sister is in the mandatory evacuation zone (Rockaway) but won't leave. Called them both a little ago, but no answers. Wait and see.
My prayers go out to everyone affected by this storm.
Now, as for the severity of the storm: I'm no meteorologist, but I see a weak hurricane dancing up the Eastern Seaboard, with a weak Nor'Easter hanging around the north, effectively stalling Sandy over the Tri-State (and expanded) area. Factor in a cold front that pushed through our area yesterday that landed on the East Coast about the same time Sandy's outer bands landed and you have the makings of a nasty storm that's going to drop buckets of water.
Batten down the hatches, hunker down and, most important of all, stay safe.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 32, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2766 times:
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 31): Then, the entire country, except those state legislatures that immediately change their respective election days, would have to have 2 elections. One for the president and US representatives and another for senator (if applicable) and any local offices
. And to add, moving an election would cost more money than need to be. New ballots would need to be printed, mailed, etc etc. that costs another million dollars to do. Elections are very expensive already, no joke.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3538 posts, RR: 28 Reply 34, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2741 times:
In NYC, in Midtown West, a few blocks away from the Hudson River. Stepped outside a couple of hours ago (mid-afternoon on Monday) just to check out the weather and it was getting pretty gnarly, but still bearable. Post Office was not delivering ("come rain or shine" my ass), but Chinese delivery guys of course still were. Didn't go into the office (in downtown Manhattan) today, although the official policy was unclear, but for tomorrow we have been told not to go unless we are in the "critical" list (we would be warned explicitly if we were).
Eqecat (one of the top catastrophe modeling firms) is predicting $5 to $10 billion of insurable damage (about twice that for the economic impact) but could go as high as $30 billion if it veers a few miles northwards to New York Harbor.
Now, time to hit the gym (got one in my building), No excuses not to today, unfortunately.
Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 35, posted (6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2739 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32): And to add, moving an election would cost more money than need to be. New ballots would need to be printed, mailed, etc etc. that costs another million dollars to do. Elections are very expensive already, no joke.
Thank you all for explaining. I was just wondering.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19722 posts, RR: 56 Reply 36, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2653 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 26): Reflect on this for a second:
Not that it really matters, since the meaning of the photo is the same, but the photo (and I posted it in another thread before I found out) is not from today. It's from some time last year.
-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19722 posts, RR: 56 Reply 37, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2596 times:
The Lower East Side in NYC. Power has had to be shut off to Lower Manhattan. Zone A south of Canal Street is reported as flooded. Also reports of heavy smoke in a subway station.
-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 39, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2543 times:
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14358 posts, RR: 26 Reply 40, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2541 times:
All of the Gawker Media sites are offline and returning a "connect to upstream server timedout" error. If I can't read Deadspin, I'm going to have to upgrade this storm to official pain in the ass.
Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 41, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2537 times:
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 39): I'm in Chelsea, Manhattan and we just lost power.
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 43, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2511 times:
Not 42nd. Maybe around the riverfronts. I'm at 7th Ave and 25th still not under water but I'm without power. Thank goodness for iPhone battery cases. Yes...I have two.
I have a friend who lives down by wall street but went up town he said he has seen cars float down the road.
This is somewhat like watching those discovery channel shows about the day a big hurricane hits NYC. Not as big as the discovery channel said it would be but pretty intense storm.
[Edited 2012-10-29 19:21:47]
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 47, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
More bad news keeps rolling in....
''Transit update from from Pete Donohue: Subways could be out for days All under-water tubes linking Manhattan and Brooklyn are flooded - raising the possibility that subway service could be out at least in part for days. The 4, 5, 2, 3, A , C, F and R trains use the five tunnels under the East River. There also is flooding on the No. 1 line in lower Manhattan.''
No, it's getting better. The water is receding (that which hasn't found its way underground, of course) as we head toward low tide. High tide will come again in the morning and there might be some flooding then, but at least there won't be the storm surge to go with it.
-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 50, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 49): Oh no! I need the 1 train to go to school! I'm out of power so getting news by all the different sites. Is it getting worse out there?
The high tide surge waters will be receding soon but the MTA won't be able to do a full assessment on any potential damage to transit infrastructure until tomorrow. Most colleges and schools will be closed tomorrow anyway.
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 51, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
Quoting foppishbum (Reply 49): Oh no! I need the 1 train to go to school! I'm out of power so getting news by all the different sites. Is it getting worse out there?
Seems like it is getting better. Not sure how long rain and heavy wind will last. It will be rainy most of tomorrow too I am sure just do not know how much wind there will be. But tides are coming in. The next high tide wont have as much surge but as others are saying there will be no school tomorrow and probably the next day if not the rest of the week. It might take days to fix the transit and power systems. The storm is moving rather fast around 18mph.
Good to know its easing up a bit now. I wonder if officials will close school for the rest of the week. I'm not sure how a lot of students at my school would be able to get to school without MTA if they can't get the services up and running. I'm also catching a Thursday flight going back to BUR; hope there won't be a problem getting to JFK without MTA and LIRR.
I hope people in the coastal areas are relatively ok.
alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 56, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2071 times:
New Jersey, New York City, part of Long Island and lower NY State, SE Connecticut, South Eastern Pennsylvania, Delaware all have been affected by what may be the worst storm since a Hurricane in 1903.
All bridges are still closed connecting NYC and Long Island, Staten Island and Brooklyn and NJ. The only tunnel that is open is the Lincoln - all other tunnels are closed due to flooding.
Mass transit is still shut down in the NYC region. There was major flooding of NYC's transit system, especially in tunnels and the subway system with no idea when it will be working.
All airports in the NYC Metro area are still closed with no real timetable for reopening.
Major flooding in parts of NY City, most critically in coastal areas, areas of Manhattan below 40th Street.
Major flooding in the low lying/riverfront areas of Hoboken, Jersey City. A levee broke on the Hackensack River in NJ, causing major flooding in Moonache, Little Ferry, part of Carlstdat, NJ.
A major hospital in NYC - NYU Medical Center had flooding and all backup generators fail.
Hospitals in Weehawken and Jersey City close to the Hudson River are shut down due to flooding.
Power is out for about 40% NJ Residents, especially in central and southern NJ.
There was massive damage to the NJ Shore area, probably the worst since 1962.
1000's of trees are down, one of my brothers had a tree fall on the roof of his house located in Sussex Co, NJ, the other's brother in law had a tree down on his house in West Milford, NJ., both with major roof partial structural damage.
CplKlinger From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
I know this is not of major concern, with all of the damage out east, but I have been noticing issues with various internet services even here in central Indiana today. Youtube has off and on been throwing a 500 internal server error or a 404 service not available error. Internet traffic report shows that many routers are OOS and you can almost see the point where a lot went down as traffic decreased and packet loss jumped. Going to be a mess to clean up on many, many fronts.
CplKlinger From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 60, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1824 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 63):
Space Shuttle Enterprise atop the Intrepid aircraft carrier - Intrepid Museum
CplKlinger From United States of America, joined Oct 2010, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 61, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1823 times:
Just got an email from my blog host (Squarespace.com) that the basement of the building their data center is in has flooded and their generators will soon loose fuel and thus they will be offline. They've been without power since late last evening.
MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10243 posts, RR: 40 Reply 62, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1806 times:
Quoting CplKlinger (Reply 64): Ok, that image alone is all I need to see to get behind getting Enterprise moved somewhere else. That is completely ridiculous.
I agree. The tip of the tail fin looks damaged with a dent in it.
I am thinking of Concorde G-BOAB sitting on the pier right down below the carrier. She must be in bad shape. The poor thing has no shelter. Her 'legs' and 'feet' are probably damaged by water. I hope she did not get water inside her.
I cannot find any pictures. The museum live cam has been down for hours. All they are showing is an out dated recorded picture of the carrier with the Enterprise "Dome" (which is in fact a tent) up and in place.
Why they placed such aviation/space icons in that place is beyond my understanding.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
mirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7421 posts, RR: 65 Reply 63, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
Last night was fun, played Scrabble by candelight and drank good beer.
Thankfully we are without power (thus hot water and heat)
but also without water in the house,
without broken trees on the house or yard
and without injury.
Houses south of us on the water were cleared OFF their foundations.
Houses north of us have massive treefall that blocks the roadways.
We're fortunate and at my parents who are one of hte 90% on the island WITH power. Otherwise the kids would have gone stircrazy inside all day!
Be well all! THe pics for NYC are astounding. LGA underwater....
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flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1055 posts, RR: 1 Reply 64, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 66): I am thinking of Concorde G-BOAB sitting on the pier right down below the carrier. She must be in bad shape. The poor thing has no shelter. Her 'legs' and 'feet' are probably damaged by water. I hope she did not get water inside her.
The only pic I've seen of her so far (some of her, anyway): http://d.pr/i/xgb8
Hopefully there's no further damage to Enterprise below the collapsed dome.
Thank you so much for this. This is the very first picture of AD I have seen after the hurricane struck NYC.
The poor thing. She is really in the wrong place. She already had her original nose chopped off when they had her moved to Floyd Bennett field I hope she was not hit by any flying objects or debris.
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6298 posts, RR: 6 Reply 66, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1605 times:
The Death Toll and damage is pretty bad for the a storm of Sandy's power. It is always odd to see a not particularly strong storm kill some many and cause so much damamge.
The stock market opens today. No idea when NYC transit will be fully online.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
foppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 737 posts, RR: 0 Reply 67, posted (6 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1512 times:
I finally escaped Chelsea (Lower Manhattan) and now have power and running water in Harlem. It took me a while to get from 23rd Street up to 130th Street. It took me about 4 hours via bus and walking. Two M11 busses drove right past me because they were full. Finally got on the M11 bus but got off after a while because a handicapped person needed to ride the bus (with his motor wheelchair) and several passengers volunteered to walk for a few more blocks. Then, got on a second M11 bus after walking a few blocks and finally got to 130th Street. It was quite an adventure!
My JetBlue flight to BUR tomorrow was cancelled but I was lucky enough to be rebooked to the earlier flight to LAX. I hope to do a post-Sandy trip report of JFK - LAX on B6. Also, wish me luck! It'll be an adventure getting to JFK from Harlem with limited mass transit!
dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3920 posts, RR: 0 Reply 70, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
After 12 days of no power the power finally came back on this afternoon! The Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) should be disbanded! monkeys can get the power on quicker than these guys! In my neighborhood 4 streets got power back on last week, while my street and 4 other streets had to wait until today to get the power back.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16273 posts, RR: 52 Reply 71, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1329 times:
The Government and the State of New Jersey have been doing a good job imo, there are out of State utility crews everywhere (saw Crews from Montana the other day). I've seen US Forest Service Workers, Federal Agents, Coast Guard etc.. I'm also directly under the flight path between Joint Base MDL and Northern NJ and NYC, everyday dozens of Blackhawks and other Military helicopters are going back and forth. I'm also seeing lots of State Police from States like Maryland.
I think they've improved dramatically since Katrina.
cmf From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 2485 posts, RR: 35 Reply 72, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 70): After 12 days of no power the power finally came back on this afternoon! The Long Island Power Authority (LIPA) should be disbanded! monkeys can get the power on quicker than these guys!
I know it is frustrating but do you know why it took them 12 days to get power back to you? Without that knowledge you're at best venting.
Don’t repeat earlier generations mistakes. Learn history for a better future.
dragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3920 posts, RR: 0 Reply 73, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1327 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 71): I'm also directly under the flight path between Joint Base MDL and Northern NJ and NYC, everyday dozens of Blackhawks and other Military helicopters are going back and forth.
Same here. I live very close to Islip (KISP) and drive past the airport a lot. After Sandy came through in addition the the various helicopters I saw a C-17 from Charleston AFB unloading humvees and those large army trucks. I also saw 2 USCG Ocean Sentry planes at the airport.
Quoting cmf (Reply 72): I know it is frustrating but do you know why it took them 12 days to get power back to you? Without that knowledge you're at best venting.
No I don't know what took them that long so yes I am venting.
Gatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 696 posts, RR: 0 Reply 74, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1324 times:
Quoting cmf (Reply 72): I know it is frustrating but do you know why it took them 12 days to get power back to you? Without that knowledge you're at best venting.
Really? Of course he is venting. He hasn't had power for almost two weeks and had to live through a Nor'easter with no heat! Considering LIPA (among other power companies) are being investigated by a commission established by the NY governor, Dragon's vent was well warranted.
cmf From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 2485 posts, RR: 35 Reply 75, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1325 times:
Quoting Gatorman96 (Reply 74): Really? Of course he is venting. He hasn't had power for almost two weeks and had to live through a Nor'easter with no heat! Considering LIPA (among other power companies) are being investigated by a commission established by the NY governor, Dragon's vent was well warranted.
What good does it do? Do you think LIPA placed the storm there? Do you think they want all those repairs? You make it sound as they are not trying their damnedest to bring back electricity as soon as they can.
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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10494 posts, RR: 20 Reply 76, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1323 times:
Quoting cmf (Reply 75): Do you think LIPA placed the storm there?
No, but it seems they did very little planning for a major outage (be it a hurricane or an ice storm or whatever) and in particular aren't good at explaining the whys and the hows of their approach to crisis management and the restoration of power.
One of my LI friends points out that the "99%" back online figure is a falsehood. The real stat is "99% of those homes able to accept power,” and there are entire TOWNS deemed unable to accept power, never mind homes.
So, it seems someone is putting the best possible PR spin on things.
I just found a press release from LIPA:
Quote:
As of 10:00 a.m. November 13, 2012:
99 percent of customers who are able to safely receive power are fully restored
Over 1.1 million outages restored to date
10,136 outages remain in Nassau (6,545) and Suffolk County (3,591)
Although LIPA power is available, up to 8,000 customers in Nassau and Suffolk and 27,000 in the Rockaways are unable to safely receive power without customer repairs
If I'm right:
- They say they've restored 1,100k customers above
- The total of unrestored is the 10k they say can accept power
plus the 8k+27k they say cannot accept power
- Thus they've restored 96% instead of the 99% they claim
The real issue is those "unable to accept power" will probably be in that condition for quite a while, thus cutting them out of the numbers means they can declare victory much sooner when the get those 10k online as opposed to the 45k that really aren't going to be online soon. Or in other terms the 99% will go to 100% shortly, versus stubbornly staying at 96% for a much longer time.
Now I know LIPA will work to get them all on-line, but again I'm just pointing out the PR spin.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 19722 posts, RR: 56 Reply 77, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1330 times:
Quoting cmf (Reply 75): You make it sound as they are not trying their damnedest to bring back electricity as soon as they can.
One has to look at results. This is two weeks past the storm now, and there are still plenty of people who don't have power. If LIPA really is trying their damndest, then there are severe doubts as to their competence as a utility provider. We hear reports of crews roaming around with no assignments, technicians all ready to hook the power up but who can't get the final approval to do so from their managers, etc. Either way, they have problems that will definitely need to be addressed in the very near future.
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cmf From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 2485 posts, RR: 35 Reply 78, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1328 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 77): One has to look at results.
And the damage.
Quoting Mir (Reply 77): We hear reports of crews roaming around with no assignments, technicians all ready to hook the power up but who can't get the final approval to do so from their managers, etc.
Those are real problems and if that is the case then they deserve criticism. But basing it on needing several weeks isn't enough.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 79, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting CplKlinger (Reply 60): Ok, that image alone is all I need to see to get behind getting Enterprise moved somewhere else. That is completely ridiculous.
Agreed. I think Houston needs to take that back. This is ridiculous on how the Shuttle was taken care of. Putting the Shuttle outdoors is not a good idea. I don't think the Shuttle was intended to be stored outside.
The Intrepid Museum needs to man up and give up the Shuttle. Piss poor planning on their part.
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gatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 696 posts, RR: 0 Reply 80, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1322 times:
Quoting cmf (Reply 75): What good does it do? Do you think LIPA placed the storm there? Do you think they want all those repairs? You make it sound as they are not trying their damnedest to bring back electricity as soon as they can.
These are pretty silly questions so I won't even entertain them. Who are you to tell someone if they can/can't vent? You have no idea what Dragon's situation is. I have a friend here in VA who welcomed their baby daughter six days before Sandy. They had a newborn at home without power for seven days after the storm. Dominion power gave him the usual run around and he was extremely frustrated. I guess he should have kept his mouth shut as well.
Absolutely LIPA is busting their butts trying to restore power, but what did they do to prep for the storm? I'm glad you know more than the NY Gov's office. If everything is all good, why is there an investigation and why did LIPA's COO resign?
casinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3288 posts, RR: 1 Reply 81, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
I grew up in Florida with Hurricanes, went through a bad snowstorm and ice storm in North Carolina. 3-4 weeks is entirely reasonable time to wait for damage to the power system to be repaired. Most will have it sooner , but outlying areas, or severely damaged neighborhoods just will not get power back that soon. There is a lot of work and limited crews to do the work.
I just think it is funny how people complain after 2 weeks of a major storm that took out massive amounts of infrastructure, that somehow the crews who are working overtime are not doing their parts. . I understand they are upset, but it still takes time to repair badly damaged infrastructure.
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cmf From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 2485 posts, RR: 35 Reply 82, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 80): Who are you to tell someone if they can/can't vent?
I am someone who at several times have been involved in repairs. I am tired of people with no knowledge complaining. How easy do you think it is to repair a damaged transformer station? It doesn't take much for two weeks to be an almost impossible feat.
I'm not saying LIPA did everything right, I don't know. I'm saying you should make sure to know before you make accusations. Certainly not call them monkeys.
I'm all for investigation what went wrong and what went right. It is also important to understand why those things that went wrong did so. Often it is because it is completely uneconomical, as in unacceptable costs by the customers, to have the needed redundancy to cover these situations.
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 80): I have a friend here in VA who welcomed their baby daughter six days before Sandy. They had a newborn at home without power for seven days after the storm. Dominion power gave him the usual run around and he was extremely frustrated. I guess he should have kept his mouth shut as well.
Can't believe you actually think this way. Not only should he have kept his mouth shut, he should have taken his newborn and driven to a safe location. Probably before the storm.
You think that you can do large scale repair based on individuals needs? It is hard enough to prioritize essential services, e.g. hospitals.
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 80): I'm glad you know more than the NY Gov's office.
Why confine yourself with facts?
Quoting casinterest (Reply 81):
I grew up in Florida with Hurricanes, went through a bad snowstorm and ice storm in North Carolina. 3-4 weeks is entirely reasonable time to wait for damage to the power system to be repaired.
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