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Who Is Watching "Flight"?  
User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

I am really excited about watching the upcoming movie "Flight", especially since it stars one of my favourite actor Denzel Washington. Washington in a flight based movie means heaven on Earth for me! Looks like one those twisted movies. I find the aircraft used in the movie rather interesting! An MD-80 with winglets!!

The reviews are looking good so far. I will get back to you guys tomorrow after I have seen it to let know what I thought.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFMZ5D8FNc

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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

I don't know... I saw the trailer where the plane was crashing and the altimeter (that displays MSL mind you) wound down to... 0 MSL... I raged (and doubt they were at sea level.)

Probably still will go see it, but I'll have my guard up and will find every flaw in the movie  



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
Probably still will go see it, but I'll have my guard up and will find every flaw in the movie  

Then you're going to have a terrible time... No realism in this movie I'm afraid. I mean, c'mon, rolling a wingleted MD-80 inverted to land it? Hum.

THAT BEING SAID the plot looks interesting and if we manage to disconnect ourselves from the blatant unrealism of the aviation parts of the movie, it should be pretty good.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2179 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 2):
Then you're going to have a terrible time... No realism in this movie I'm afraid. I mean, c'mon, rolling a wingleted MD-80 inverted to land it? Hum.

Actually I'm often surprised at what these big birds can do. They've barrel rolled a 707 before, a Fedex DC-10 or MD-11 (forgot) almost got hijacked and flew at like 140 degrees inverted, a P-3 (Navy's version of the L-188) had some kind of problem and they pulled a whopping NINE Gs and saved the aircraft... but yeah this is still probably BS  

I'm gonna point out everything wrong mostly to annoy my roommate who already said he doesn't want to see it with me (LOL) but I have low standards for movies and I'll probably enjoy it, despite that altimeter hitting 0 part kgshgjshgkjdh



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 2):
Then you're going to have a terrible time... No realism in this movie I'm afraid. I mean, c'mon, rolling a wingleted MD-80 inverted to land it? Hum.

I am confident any airline can do a roll.

I will see. Was planning on seeing it tomorrow night, its first night out but I just realized there are two heat games this weekend one I want to watch and one I want to go to. Not sure if I will just DVR the game tomorrow night. I already warned my girlfriend that after the movie I will find all the mistakes and complain about them but overall it should be a fun movie to watch. Honestly sometimes the mistakes make aviation movies and news articles etc.. more fun. If it was perfect realism well then there is nothing for us to do but watch like everyone else. Where is the fun in that? 

I am already impressed in that they have an MD-80 (yes with winglets) but from the trailer it is a correct MD-80 cockpit. At least what I have seen so far. I wont be surprised to see shots of 737 Engine Instruments and A320 overheads though. The legal aspects will be interesting to me also.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2146 times:
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My buddies and I were planning on seeing it tomorrow night. 3 pilots in an airplane movie is not gonna be good for the people around us. Though I suppose I am going more for the plot than anything. Should be interesting!
Blue



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 5):

My buddies and I were planning on seeing it tomorrow night. 3 pilots in an airplane movie is not gonna be good for the people around us.

I'm gonna see it in Milton or Pensacola, FL... you wanna see a movie theater with a bunch of pilot (wannabes in training) come here, it should be interesting lol



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 2):
Then you're going to have a terrible time... No realism in this movie I'm afraid. I mean, c'mon, rolling a wingleted MD-80 inverted to land it? Hum.

The ill fated Alaska Airlines Flight 261, an MD-82, flew inverted before crashing. So it's not completely out of the realm of logic, but movies do have to take some liberties of course.

It looks good, I do plan on seeing it. Boy, Denzel sure does love his transportation related roles, doesn't he? He has been, a submarine commander, subway dispatcher, police officer, train engineer, and now airline pilot.

[Edited 2012-11-01 12:57:33]

User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
I'm gonna see it in Milton or Pensacola, FL... you wanna see a movie theater with a bunch of pilot (wannabes in training) come here, it should be interesting lol

Haha my sister's boyfriend is in Naval Officer training down there. He just got back to Pensicola from Corpus. He's a rotar head though so I'm sure he'll find it entertaining. Me, as a fixed-wing, was cringing throughout the entire trailer. Denzel, stick to high school football, please.



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User currently offlineAcey From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

The whole "we are in a dive" quote, especially the way he said it, seems like it came right off the AS 261 cockpit recording.

Love Denzel, will definitely try to check this out over the weekend.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25392 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

ALPA is not a fan of the movie --


ALPA Statement on the New Drama Film “Flight”

The Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), issued the following statement regarding the release of the drama film called “Flight.”

“Hollywood dramas can make riveting entertainment and a compelling character study may sell tickets, but fiction on a movie screen doesn’t represent a profession in the real world.

“The more than fifty thousand ALPA pilots in the United States and Canada embody the highest possible standards of training and professionalism.

“These standards are borne out every day, as we safely transport hundreds of thousands of passengers and tens of thousands of tons of cargo across the country and around the world.

“We all enjoy being entertained, but a thrilling tale should not be mistaken for the true story of extraordinary safety and professionalism among airline pilots.”

Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world’s largest pilot union, representing nearly 51,000 professional pilots at 35 airlines in the United States and Canada.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

After reading a few reviews if your going to see this as an aviation thriller you will be sadly mistaken. The movie is about a drug and alcohol addict and the hidden second life he leads. It sounds like very little is about the accident and more about the demons of addiction


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6211 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
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Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
The movie is about a drug and alcohol addict and the hidden second life he leads.

So, a "The Pilot" remake? At least that movie had some spectaluar scenes.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1924 times:
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Going to it tonight. Told the wife if she wants me to go to "Lincoln" and "Twilight" with her, she's going to "Flight" with me  


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
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Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 13):
Told the wife if she wants me to go to "Lincoln" and "Twilight" with her, she's going to "Flight" with me  

Twilight! You poor bugger! My mother dragged my stepfather to it telling him it was a vampire movie. He was thinking it was going to be awesome. He was sound asleep by minute 15!

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 11):
After reading a few reviews if your going to see this as an aviation thriller you will be sadly mistaken. The movie is about a drug and alcohol addict and the hidden second life he leads. It sounds like very little is about the accident and more about the demons of addiction

That's kind of a bummer! Hopefully the story behind it is still good though. I think I may still check it out tonight.
Blue



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19712 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting AviRaider (Reply 7):

The ill fated Alaska Airlines Flight 261, an MD-82, flew inverted before crashing. So it's not completely out of the realm of logic, but movies do have to take some liberties of course.

Yes, but then it crashed. Few airliners have ever inverted and survived. Remember, surviving is the important part.

TW800 flew in two or three pieces before it crashed and even gained altitude; that doesn't mean an aircraft can survive loss of the fuselage forward of the wings.


User currently offlinePWMRamper From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 622 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1831 times:

Just got back from the film. I really, really enjoyed it.

In theory, is something like that remotely possible? Inverting an aircraft to stop a dive?

The dive reminded me a little of AS261.

Also, in an NTSB investigation, wouldn't they sequester the flight crew until all interviews/depositions had been done?


User currently offlineKDTWflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 828 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Just got back from seeing the movie as well and I thought it was pretty good; some of the aviation parts of it seemed pretty accurate. The cause of the accident immediately reminded me of the AS accident back in 2000. Overall I'd recommend it.


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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
I'm gonna point out everything wrong mostly to annoy my roommate who already said he doesn't want to see it with me

None of my friends from college would see a movie with me that had anything to do with the military or aviation because I had (and still do have) a bad habit of doing just that.

All I can say is I hope DL isn't too current with their IFE offerings on long range flights...that would not be a good movie to show on a flight based on what I've seen from the previews.

Marc


User currently offlineImpacto From Canada, joined Mar 2007, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Saw the movie last night and I must say it was well worthwhile just as I expected it to be. Denzel was outstanding as usual (Very convincing pilot!), good storyline and plot, had some funny and intense moments especially during the plane crash and the ending of the movie. Yes its true that the movie was more about a character study than the plane crash itself, but I found myself still enjoying how things played out the for the character. The plane crash scene in particular was very well done.

Overall a good movie with a bit of a surprise ending for me, but still highly recommended   

I will say B+

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 13):
Going to it tonight. Told the wife if she wants me to go to "Lincoln" and "Twilight" with her, she's going to "Flight" with me

Yikes! There is only one favour my GF can do for me to make me go watch Twilight with her!!


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1716 times:

UNINTENTIONAL SPOILER ALERT:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 2):
I mean, c'mon, rolling a wingleted MD-80 inverted to land it? Hum.

That's not what happens.  

(Not going to spoil the rest.)

I saw it last night. It was a very good movie that will leave true aviation fans hungry, if that's why you go to see it. It is a very compelling story, and aviation fans will have to suspend some disbelief, but not the disbelief that you might be thinking of right now. You'll be surprised at the accuracy of some things.


As for a wingletted MD-80, I imagine that if they used a real plane, certain manufacturers would have a real problem with this movie.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
ALPA is not a fan of the movie --

Oh, I bet! Having seen the movie, you can absolutely state that Pilots unions around the world will hate hate hate the plot of this movie. But not for the aviation.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 15):
Few airliners have ever inverted and survived.
ANA Plane Flew Almost Belly-up After Copilot Error (by jasonmiller Sep 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)#menu37

Quoting PWMRamper (Reply 16):
The dive reminded me a little of AS261.

The movie's production has stated 261 was an influence. I think it's AS261 + Atlantic Southeast 529.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2984 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

It was a good film, although there were several aviation-related oddeties.

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
I think it's AS261 + Atlantic Southeast 529.

   Exactly my thoughts.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19712 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 18):
All I can say is I hope DL isn't too current with their IFE offerings on long range flights...that would not be a good movie to show on a flight based on what I've seen from the previews.

Yeah, I'm guessing the movie's producers figured that they weren't selling it to any airlines.  
Quoting D L X (Reply 20):

I said "few," not "none."   I believe the overall number (at least for jet transports) is less than 5. Certainly less than 10.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11354 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Yeah, I'm guessing the movie's producers figured that they weren't selling it to any airlines.

No.   Definitely not. The crash scene is VERY well done. Both my fiance and I thought that our blood pressures were raised just watching it.



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):
Yeah, I'm guessing the movie's producers figured that they weren't selling it to any airlines.  

I got a laugh out of a f/a once...I was watching Airplane! on my iPod. The funny thing was I was also on flight 209 at the time lol.

Marc


User currently offlinepropilot83 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

Yup Alaska 261, I remembered as soon as I found out about what caused the plane crash in the movie "flight." It rings a bell pretty swift.

User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
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I thought the movie was excellent. Not so much an aviation movie though. I think the story was good and Denzel was excellent.
Blue



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User currently offlineAviRaider From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
The movie's production has stated 261 was an influence. I think it's AS261 + Atlantic Southeast 529.

It also felt like SAS 751 crash, which involved an MD80. In that incident the plane lost both engines to ice ingestions and landed in a field breaking apart. In that incident a large credit was put on the pilot for trying to identify the problem and swiftly putting it down on an open field amongst a forested area, thus saving lives. This incident was not without some controversy though, I believe it was concluded that inproper wrangling of the surging engines by the pilot exacerbated the problem causing them to shut down.

I was impressed with the movie. It really did try to get the aviation aspects correct to a wide degree. As other have stated though, it's really about the character and him battling his demons, so to speak. What really struck me and I thought was cool, was when the plane lost both engines and was gliding, the movie accurately portrayed the sounds of silence and the pilot's initial reaction to that. I remeber watching so many of those air crash investigations shows, and the pilots and passengers always are struck by how quite it gets with no engines, it leaves a lasting impression on them.


User currently offlinemirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1488 times:
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I didnt care to debate the accuracies of the aviation stuff.

But what an incredible movie! Great dramatic roles, with well placed humor and the soundtrack, WOW!

I love music but didnt realize how MUCH GREAT music speaks to drubs and addiction.


hopefully an Oscar nod. WEll Done!



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7909 posts, RR: 51
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

I saw it yesterday... I was very skeptical but I think they did an extremely good job. I'm impressed. I'm not a real pilot yet, and only have ~50 hours, but everything seemed to really line up.

Something I did find kind of weird was the part about them going full nose down only created a sinkrate of 4800fpm... it would be a LOT more than that! Maybe I heard incorrectly



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlinebraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5729 posts, RR: 31
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

I don't think SAS will be too pleased about this film . . .

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