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Want To Serve In The Israeli Army  
User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 16
Posted (12 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 1604 times:

I was just thinking about this here...
If a person who isn't a Jew from any country (but friends with Israel) would apply for an Israeli citizenship would they also expect him/her to serve in the Army there or would they for safety reasons exclude a "new member of the family"?

Does their Army work together a lot with other nations (NATO?) or do they want to keep their Army to themselves (no maneuvers together or so)?

Max

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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

The IDF Air Force and Navy practice a lot with their Turkish equivalents and the US to a more limited extent. Little real contact with other countries, including NATO members.

I believe age is a factor in naturalized Israelis being drafted into the IDF (older immigrants would serve in reserves only, those that are over 30 or so will not be requested to serve at all).

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1551 times:

Israel practices with other militaries, especially Turkey. During the good times, they even conducted maneuvers with the Jordanians, whom while not nearly as good as the Israelis, probably have the best trained Arab army.

I've seen pictures of the IDF with Germany troops.

tnnh


User currently offlineRai From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

I heard that IDF also have training exercises with Taiwan. Is that true?

User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1500 times:

yeah israel used to train with taiwan and south africa as all three were sort of well developed, but pariah states.

israel has let the taiwan relationship slip as interest in selling arms to china has grown, although the us has put a big block on israel's arms sales to the communist nation.

tnnh


User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I heard that IDF also have training exercises with Taiwan. Is that true?

It's true.

And I wouldn't want to join the most biased and stupid military on earth.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

join the most biased and stupid military on earth.

What the hell is that all about??


User currently offlineAerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Well Jiml, I'm surprised. AN ARMY OF A SPECIFIC COUNTRY IS GENERALLY BIASED TOWARD THE COUNTRY IT SERVES. Have I been wrong to assume this?


Get your patchouli stink outta my store!
User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

"And I wouldn't want to join the most biased and stupid military on earth"

Repeatative statements of that sort make only one person (as an organization cannot be) look "biased" and "stupid".  Insane

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

But Israel's move is way out of control. They acts like other communist country.

My comments about Israel from the past, to now, and in the future, are only towards the Israel Government.


User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Jim Learn to speak English!

User currently offlineBoeing in pdx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

Out of control! There has not been one bombing or shooting since the Operation started! It works.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

And I wouldn't want to join the most biased and stupid military on earth"

Whether you want to join or not is, of course, your business, and no one will take issue with that. We respect your feeling. However, some of us DO take issue with your calling the Israeli Army biased and stupid. Who are you to make such a judgment? At most you can say that you do not agree with Israel's actions, and we can respect that, too.

You have lost a lot of credibility among serious members by your simply belittling your opponent or his idea without effectively arguing the issues.

Jim1126, am I getting through to you, and to others like you?

Pete


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Delta,

We are citizens of the world that look at the bias and stupidity of the military of the country you call Israel. Their gross indiference to the lives and liberties of others is well documented, as for the comments about them behaving like communists, well their refusal to allow media to report on their actions are also well documented.

So Delta, we have every right to voice our opinions if we choose to do so .. just as you have a right to disagree. Feel free to counter my argument if you can, they were:

1. The military of Israel is showing depraved indiference to the lives and liberties of others (not just the so called terrorists they are after).

2. They are denying the media the right to accurately report on the goings on within a country other than their own.




VH-ADG


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1451 times:

d I wouldn't want to join the most biased and stupid military on earth.

Yeah, I'd stay from the Iraqi army too.

What a damn-fool statement that was, Jim. Unbelievable.


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1445 times:

The military of Israel is showing depraved indiference to the lives and liberties of others (not just the so called terrorists they are after).

So called terrorists??? Your unreal. Is blowing up a civilian pizza parlor not terror?? Answer me that.





User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1433 times:

TWA,

Your simplistic thinking is what we consider unreal. There are a whole bunch of issues to consider here.

1. Isreal declared war on Palestine, therefore none of these attacks are terrorist attacks any more, they are simply freedom fighters fighting a war the best way they know how.

2. We have been given no proof that these "terrorists" the Israelis are killing are indeed terrorists, we have only the Isrealis word on that and we all know their history of dishonesty. In fact, those 6 year old kids being killed in marketplaces and so forth appear to be terrorists of the worst kind aren't they? Remember, it was Isreal who put a ban on the media, not Palestine.

3. Seems to me that it's OK by you guys to have "collateral damage" when it's in Palestine, but not so when it happens in Israel.

So yeah, I think blowing up civlians in a Pizza Parlour is terror, but then so is killing children who are shopping with their parents in a Palestinian marketplace. You see the first as worse than the second, but only because it was in Israel, I find the second far worse than the first because it is done with government backing by soldiers!. You appear not to care about the dead innocent Palestinians, lumping them into the category of "terrorist".

So yes, I'll stick with the term "so called terrorists".





VH-ADG


User currently offlineTwaneedsnohelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

You see the first as worse than the second

Your damn right I do for 3 reasons, 1) because they were not deliberately targetted 2) because there have been many less of them 3) the people who did the killing (IDF) apologized immediately and pledged to investigate so it would never happen again.

the hamas, al aksa, etc.. never apologize after their terror, they deliberately attack civilian sites to sow terror in the hearts of motehrs and children, and there have been many more israeli casualties of terror than those children killed when israel mistakenly shot at people who were breaking curfew.

tnnh


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

we have every right to voice our opinions if we choose to do so

Indeed, you do, and you have, as you always do.  Smile
I was just trying (in vain, probably) to impress upon the younger generation in this forum that discussion should focus on issues, not calling names. It would not hurt anyone to learn some good debating practises. But of course, everyone is free to say whatever one pleases, and it's always easier to resist than to do something new and different.

Pete  Smile


User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1409 times:

Please let me just voice my opinion and say that I think it´s a really immature and superstupid thing you´re thinking about.
To join an army is bad enough, but joining one whose leaders are sooo bloodthirsty and stupid and criminal and...

Show you are a good human being and don´t spin that thought further!

Stratofish



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User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Your damn right I do for 3 reasons,

Actually, you have only one reason. You are far to close to the issue to look at it in a non-biased way.

1) because they were not deliberately targetted

Rubbish. An Australian woman tells us how the tank pointed the weapons at her and the rest of the peaceful protesters and opened fire. That's deliberate as is shooting randomly into a crowded marketplace or targetting people with snipers.

2) because there have been many less of them

Kill ration is 1 Israeli to every 4 Palestinians ...

3) the people who did the killing (IDF) apologized immediately and pledged to investigate so it would never happen again.

They say the words and then they do it again. Lip service to their cash cow and nothing more. We're used to Israeli dishonesty now.

the hamas, al aksa, etc.. never apologize after their terror,

and neither to the Israelis unless they are caught out which is proving more and more difficult as they remove the independant media from the area (that's when they're not shooting them).

they deliberately attack civilian sites to sow terror in the hearts of motehrs and children,

I'm aware of the way terrorists work, but I suspect the sight of an Israeli soldier/tank now sews terror into the hears of mothers and children in Palestine. Where's the difference?

and there have been many more israeli casualties of terror than those children killed when israel mistakenly shot at people who were breaking curfew.

Actually, I think you will find there have been far more INNOCENT Palestinian deaths than Israeli deaths, stop plying your propoganda. Israel attacked the Church of the Nativity, nothing is sacred in Israels quest for genocide.

Terrorists are the scum of the earth, whether they are muslim or jew.





VH-ADG


User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1388 times:

To join an army is bad enough, but joining one whose leaders are sooo bloodthirsty and stupid and criminal and...

Show you are a good human being and don´t spin that thought further!


What's bad about joining an army, Stratofish? For a lot of people, it's a great place for a career. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it "bad" for someone else. And bloodthirsty, stupid and criminal? I think you talk about Iraq there, not Israel. If you think they're bloodthirsty, I ask you to consider what that military could do if Israel so wanted them to do it-there wouldn't be a palestinian left alive now if they were bloodthirsty. As for the rest, just a fools ramblings, I imagine.


User currently offlinePanynj From Bahamas, joined Sep 2001, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

kill ration 1 to 4?? yeah well subtract from that all the terrorists attacking israelis and youll be quite surpirsed.

User currently offlineJiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1371 times:

Out of control! There has not been one bombing or shooting since the Operation started! It works.

There are alternative ways to get out of control. Let's say, kill 400 poor Palestanians, then hide their bodies before the International investigation team arrives, and later refuse them to get in and see what really happens?
(This happened months ago)

So called terrorists??? Your unreal. Is blowing up a civilian pizza parlor not terror?? Answer me that.

Yes. So-called terrorists. Israel has no rights to call the Palestanian terrorists, because the Israel is currently led by a terrorist. (Who did several massacres in the past)

What a damn-fool statement that was, Jim. Unbelievable.

If you think it's unbelievale, fine. But you're not in the position to tell me my statement was a damn-fool.


User currently offlineADG From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Panynj,

Actually, the number of suicide bombers is quite low in the huge death count. Many dead Palestinians include women who died at the border unable to get to a hospital for assistance during childbirth and children shopping with their parents in a marketplace.

Propoganda isn't what is being discussed here, the truth is.





VH-ADG


25 Panynj : Actually, the number of suicide bombers is quite low in the huge death count. source? Many dead Palestinians include women who died at the border unab
26 Boeing in pdx : The vast majority of Palestinian casualties are militia men
27 ADG : Go read yourself ... http://www.dci-pal.org/english/dcipress/releases/2001/0010.html http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/index.asp http://web.am
28 Jiml1126 : The vast majority of Palestinian casualties are militia men Do you really believe everything that Israel Government tells you?
29 Boeing in pdx : Do you really belive everything the PA tells you?
30 Panynj : from your posting adg... "Among the [arab] victims were 79 children"... YET..... "Palestinian armed groups killed 187 Israelis, including 154 civilian
31 ADG : Panynj, I confirmed nothing with regards to your point. The figures you grabbed are meaningless in the context in which you posted them. VH-ADG
32 Post contains images Panynj : hardly. you posted some figures of people who were killed. 79 palestinian children and 154 Israeli civilians. this comes right from your posting! line
33 Mish1234 : Im still on the decision to move back to Israel to go serve. Im at the age right now (18), ive already got my relase from the army. but I will most li
34 David_itl : Panynj, instead of quoting the bit you say "proves" your point, why not quote the ENTIRE beginning of the paragraph? It is: "More than 460 Palestinian
35 ADG : Thanks David, What he also left out was the time period. Guess he was to busy trying to slap in there a childish and derogatory "woman" comment to act
36 Panynj : I'll tell you why I have a problem with the 460 number... It's simply too vague. Who were these 460, well we know 79 children, well they are never sup
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