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NYC Marathon 2012 Is Cancelled//  
User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/blank-headline-received-211243501--sector.html

Well, I guess That's what they had to do this year, after Sandy. First things first.

[Edited 2012-11-02 14:33:05]

[Edited 2012-11-02 14:38:56]

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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Finally some one came to their senses.


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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Given the damage to the city's infrastructure, many still without electricity, people can't get gas for their vehicles, etc.; this event cancellation shouldn't be a surprise.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

It's really too bad. The Marathon would have brought an estimated $350 Million to the city when it certainly needs it most.
Runners numbering over 40,000 and their supporters are arriving from all over the country and the world, many backed by charity pledges. Will these pledges still be honored with no marathon?

I recognize that NYC is hurting. I canceled my trip there today because of the storm. But if I were NYC, I would have said "look yous, this is New York - the City That Never Sleeps. New York doesn't stop for anything. It doesn't stop for plane crashes, it doesn't stop for terrorists, and it's not going to stop for the weather." Then show the resilience of New York by holding the race.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
if I were NYC, I would have said "look yous, this is New York - the City That Never Sleeps. New York doesn't stop for anything. It doesn't stop for plane crashes, it doesn't stop for terrorists, and it's not going to stop for the weather." Then show the resilience of New York by holding the race.

Apples & oranges comparison. A terrorist attack physically (from an infrastructure standpoint) impacts one surrounding area whereas a post-hurricane impact on a city's infrastructure are much more wide-spread.

A week following the 9/11 attacks, outside of Ground Zero; the masses of NYC had electricity working in their homes & businesses, they could heat or cool their homes & businesses, nobody had trouble buying gasoline for their vehicles, the majority of the tunnels and subway system were fully open and operational. One can not necessarily say that a week following Sandy. Much of the logistics (preparation/set-up, etc.) behind a road race (especially a marathon) relies on the site's infrastructure being fully functional and operational.

As far as the Marathon pledges are concerned; maybe the option to donate those to a legitimate diaster relief fund or charity (example: the Red Cross) should be offered to those runners. Maybe the runners (again at their option/decision) if they've already arrived can donate their time & help those in need.

[Edited 2012-11-02 15:02:45]


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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

I bet policians on Staten Island and other areas devestated in NYC pretty much told Mayor Bloomberg to cancel or they would screw him politically for the rest of his term. I wonder too if sponsors like ING put pressure they were getting to the Mayor so wouldn't look bad. Most importantly, this means no diversion of costs of the marathon to the city, money and supplies that need to go to Staten Island, lower Manhattan and other major affected areas.

User currently offlinezbbylw From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1993 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1370 times:

That's too bad... I had my money on Michael Phelps this year!


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5658 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
But if I were NYC, I would have said "look yous, this is New York - the City That Never Sleeps. New York doesn't stop for anything. It doesn't stop for plane crashes, it doesn't stop for terrorists, and it's not going to stop for the weather." Then show the resilience of New York by holding the race.

Really? I just spoke to my sister who had 6 feet of seawater in her basement. She had someone else's windows in her back yard. She just found her car in a front yard 2 blocks away. She probably won't have electricity for a week. Her kids' school is shutdown and the BofE can't tell her where to put her kids come Monday.

And considering she's on Far Rockaway, she's one of the lucky ones.

I'm sorry, as much as I'm a "pull it up by your bootstraps and get on with you life kind of guy" and a runner, I can't see how running the marathon would have done anything but drop the morale of those that are without heat and water and are having a hard time meeting their basic needs.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 3):
It's really too bad. The Marathon would have brought an estimated $350 Million to the city when it certainly needs it most.

And it would have brought that money if they had postponed it a week or two. There is no way that the race should have been run this Sunday.

Shame it's cancelled though, I had the "over" on Paul Ryan's time being two and a half hours.   

-Mir



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User currently onlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1321 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 1):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 2):



It's a lose lose situation all around. They did the right thing by cancelling but, it would have been prudent to bite the bullet and cancel earlier in the week. Many runners and other people connected with this event have arrived in NYC. I do hope they have the marathon in the near future. This would show the can do spirit of New York while bringing in the revenue. Maybe sometime after the holidays or better yet maybe President's Day Weekend. I know you are getting close to the Boston Marathon.

After 911, the NFL postponed all their games that week!

I'm wondering how the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade situation will be handled. Believe it or not (Murphy's Law) Thanksgiving is early on the 22nd. now less than three weeks away. There is such damage, devastation and tragedy that even the big turkey may have to have it's feathers plucked and either cancelled or at least postponed. If postponed maybe it could be held between Christmas and New Years. A lot of people of course excluding us in the airline industry, police, fire, and military to name a few basically are off during that week or making the motions when going to their jobs.

May the suffering and misery in New York, NJ and the Caribbean locales hit by Hurricane Sandy abate as quick as possible. My heart goes out to all those affected and their families.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
I'm wondering how the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade situation will be handled. Believe it or not (Murphy's Law) Thanksgiving is early on the 22nd. now less than three weeks away. There is such damage, devastation and tragedy that even the big turkey may have to have it's feathers plucked and either cancelled or at least postponed.

I'd bet that by that time things will have returned to normal enough to have the parade as scheduled. Hell, I'm convinced that the marathon could have gone off just fine if it were pushed back a week. Instead, they decided to can it altogether, which is a shame.

-Mir



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User currently onlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1294 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
I'd bet that by that time things will have returned to normal enough to have the parade as scheduled. Hell, I'm convinced that the marathon could have gone off just fine if it were pushed back a week. Instead, they decided to can it altogether, which is a shame.

-Mir

The nail in the coffin for NYC Marathon 2012 was the fact that it would start in Staten Island which was hit hard. People are in the dark and the cold. And the marathon would have had generators for the race itself. I agree, they should have put it off for maybe a couple weeks. But from what's been shown, things are pretty bad/devistated. If New Orleans was any barometer, things could be a cluster-f*ck well into the holiday season. The destruction is on such a large overwhelming scale. Chances are, Macy's parade will go off no matter what. When you start adversly affecting the conspicuous consumption and buy buy spend spend spirit of the way too long holiday season you are really raining on many folk's parade. I wouldn't be surprised if they get the armed forces in there to get things closer to normal in the area of the parade. Many feel a Thanksgiving without that parade including all those dancers and prancers from Middle America doing it to all those syruppy Broadway show tunes would be worse than going to the biffy and bypassing the sink on your way out (not washing your hands)! Maybe I can come up with a better analogy. And, sadly you'll get many who would blame a cancelled Macy's parade on the suffering citizens comparing them to Scrooge. People get way to overdramatic when it deals with Christmas. (I know stuff for a stand alone thread).



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

I am quite sure the Marathon in NYC will be held next year. This was a much different situation vs. after 9/11 as to the closeness of if to the date of the storm, the scale of devastation, the optics to the public and the need to have all resources that would have been used for it to be put into damaged areas. Beyond the Marathon cancellation, we could see some changes for the late year holiday season. Some subway tunnels and facilities may not be operational below Canal Street for many weeks or some months. Many buildings below Canal Street close to the Hudson and East Rivers and close to the Battery have flooded basements and ground floors that still need to be pumped out, then inspection and as necessary repairs to electrical and mechanical systems before they can be reopened.

The Macy's Thanksgiving parade will most likely be cut down in size with fewer balloons, run shorter, fewer out of town bands and performers. Many employers may cut out holiday parties due to the costs or loss of facilities. 100,000 or more just in NYC have lost a week or more of pay, 1000's may have lost their jobs or incomes for the fores sable future, many 1000's may not be able to get to work for weeks due to damaged personal property, no cars and damaged train and public transit systems.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1195 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
And it would have brought that money if they had postponed it a week or two.

It's pretty damn hard to postpone an event where 40,000+ people are coming from all over the world. The options were 1) hold the race or 2) cancel the race entirely.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 7):
Really? I just spoke to my sister who had 6 feet of seawater in her basement. She had someone else's windows in her back yard. She just found her car in a front yard 2 blocks away. She probably won't have electricity for a week. Her kids' school is shutdown and the BofE can't tell her where to put her kids come Monday.

And considering she's on Far Rockaway, she's one of the lucky ones.

First off, I feel for your sister's loss. But let's also be clear: she is not one of the lucky ones. Most of New York north of 34th Street, and almost all of Brooklyn and the non-shoreline areas of Queens are fine. And as of this morning, most of NYC outside of Staten Island has power.

You (rightly) do not hear people complaining that others in the New York area got off easy.

The Marathon, had it occurred, would have had almost zero impact on the people who are suffering, except that the money brought in could be used to help them. Cancelling the marathon is much less about the logistics of running a marathon in this situation, but rather more about political pressure and the general nature of 21st Century New York where if people are suffering, no one is allowed to have fun because it would appear rude and crass to the people that are suffering.



But look at what happens to people who would have participated in the race. First, there's the 40,000 runners. How many of them came from out of town? That's a lot of airfare that just got wasted. A lot of runners are going to lose a lot of money without having run a marathon to show for it.

Then there are the charity sponsors, which could be too many to count. Are the charities still going to be supported without the marathon having been run? I'm sure that some of the pledges will still be good, but how many? Some charities are certainly going to come up short now.

I absolutely feel for the people that are suffering in NY. Here in the DC area, we got off pretty easy! And we all know that could have happened here had Sandy landed just 50 miles south of where it did. So don't take what I say as a lack of compassion or sympathy. Instead, take it as seeing more than just the suffering. I feel that 2 weeks from now, when life is back to normal for the vast majority of people who it is not normal for today, people will be pretty sad that they didn't run the marathon.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
It's pretty damn hard to postpone an event where 40,000+ people are coming from all over the world.

If it has to be, it has to be. There are plenty of people in NYC who would have showed up to run it, and I'm sure at least some of those who came from out of town could change their schdules around so they could be there. It wouldn't have been the same, of course, but that was going to be the case regardless.

I really do believe that they could have run the race next week and it would have gone off pretty damn well. But I guess we'll never know.

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
The Marathon, had it occurred, would have had almost zero impact on the people who are suffering

Not so. You'd have medical staff along the route who could be used dealing with disaster-affected areas. You'd have police along the route who could be used in disaster-affected areas as well. You'd have generators powering media tents that could power whole blocks that are still dark. And most importantly, you'd have closed off Staten Island's only road connection to the rest of the city for most of the day - people and goods need to be able to get there.

-Mir



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11580 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
Not so. You'd have medical staff along the route who could be used dealing with disaster-affected areas.

But aren't we talking about margins here?

New York is a gigantic city, with a whole lot of medical and police staff. What percentage of that staff would be occupied by the marathon in the normal situation? I'd be shocked if it were 1%.

I read yesterday a woman on Staten Island who said that if they pulled just one cop from Staten Island to support the marathon, she'd chew Bloomberg's head off. Why? If one cop was not available, out of the tens of thousands that were, there is no way she could possibly know the difference. Why? Because it is in the margins.

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
ou'd have generators powering media tents that could power whole blocks that are still dark.

The power is back on, per my friends in the area.

Quoting Mir (Reply 14):
And most importantly, you'd have closed off Staten Island's only road connection to the rest of the city for most of the day - people and goods need to be able to get there.

This is not true. The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is multispan, and the marathon would not use all of it. Furthermore, Staten Island is not a third world country -- the small resources needed are already there, and the big resources wouldn't be trucked over a bridge. They'd be ferried there.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Good thing the city cancelled the Marathon. There was no way they could keep it.
Just think about this:

Shocking images show desperate New Yorkers digging through dumpsters for food as downtown Manhattan embarks on fourth night without power

Families, elderly people and young residents were seen sifting through garbage outside a Key Food supermarket in the East Village yesterday
Store had discarded piles of food that had gone bad after Hurricane Sandy
Both Lower East Side and East Village neighborhoods have been in dark since Monday and power isn't expected to be restored before tomorrow
Death toll passes 90 and continues to rise

pictures:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dumpsters-food.html#ixzz2B5Fq1VfG

 



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21876 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
But aren't we talking about margins here?

We're in a situation where the margins matter.

Quoting D L X (Reply 15):
The Verrazano Narrows Bridge is multispan, and the marathon would not use all of it.

The marathon closes the bridge in its entirety. The lower level isn't closed for as long as the upper level, but both are closed for large portions of the day.

-Mir



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5658 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
I feel for your sister's loss.

Thank you.

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
But let's also be clear: she is not one of the lucky ones.

No, she is lucky. No one was hurt and other than the basement and the debris, her house is fine. She tells me the intial estimate is that over 1200 houses need to be torn down on Far Rockaway. That number will go up.

Quoting D L X (Reply 13):
no one is allowed to have fun

Let me tell you something about New Yorkers, since I still claim to be one, even though I've been gone 20+ years: they tend to stick together. Sports team aside, they tend to stick together when a tragedy strikes. To run this marathon would have been a slap in the face to those who weren't affected as much as those who were affected.

Do you know what city assets are deployed for the marathon. I used to live on the route along 4th Ave. in Brooklyn. Fire, police, EMS, public works, sanitation, utilities, are all deployed along the route in order to ensure the thing goes off efficiently and safely. And, all those resources are sorely needed in the areas hardest hit by the storm.



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User currently offlinejfk69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1420 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1100 times:

I am on day 6 without power and all I want to do is clean the debris from the 3 feet of water in my basement. Do you want to know why I am lucky ? Because I didn't lose my life or my cars like most my neighbors did. My family has split our time between our freezing house and friends. We have no family to go to because Lawrence, Oceanside and Rockaway have no power.....

With that being said do you think we give a damn about the marathon? There are 4 hour gas lines and looting, there is sparse public transporatation and barely a cop in sight......Sorry these runners spent All that money and time on this race but way too soon folks......too damn soon.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1031 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
They did the right thing by cancelling but, it would have been prudent to bite the bullet and cancel earlier in the week. Many runners and other people connected with this event have arrived in NYC. I do hope they have the marathon in the near future. This would show the can do spirit of New York while bringing in the revenue.

   I agree that the race should've been cancelled earlier than it was... prior to many of runners heading in. Something tells me the real reason why Mayor Bloomberg reversed his earlier decision regarding the NYC Marathon was that, for whatever reason(s), sponsors were pulling out left & right.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
I am quite sure the Marathon in NYC will be held next year.

   I agree. The cancellation was for this year's race only. Registration for next year's NYC Marathon might have already started (regardless of Sandy's aftermath).

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
Hell, I'm convinced that the marathon could have gone off just fine if it were pushed back a week. Instead, they decided to can it altogether, which is a shame.

The NYC Marathon isn't the only marathon that's scheduled nation or worldwide. Many runners (especially the more elite ones) participate in other marathons throughout the year; note: the Philadelphia Marathon is right around the corner (Nov. 18).

Many of these marathons (including NYC) require participants to register (some Marathons (like Boston) require a pre-qualification marathon time prior to entering) a year in advance of the race date. On-line registrations for these races close out in a matter of minutes not hours or days. That said, rescheduling NYC's Marathon could have the potential of creating a scheduling conflict with another marathon taking place elsewhere; not to mention conflict w/a runners' training schedules (often mapped out months in advance of an upcoming race).

Speaking of the Philadelphia & the Marathon; Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter supposedly attempted to get the NYC Marathon relocated to Philadelphia this year; see below-link.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/po...athon_to_move_to_Philadelphia.html

Key excerpts:

With the New York City Marathon canceled less than 24 hours before its scheduled start Sunday, Mayor Nutter reportedly had stepped in with an offer: All 40,000-plus runners could come to Philadelphia.

George Hirsch, head of the New York Road Runners, which sponsors the event, said Nutter told him Philadelphia was ready to host the marathon Sunday if participants could get to the city, Runner's World reported Saturday.

Hirsch told Nutter there wasn't enough time to do that. He described Nutter as having "sounded very sincere."
...
The offer came just two weeks before Philadelphia's own 26.2-miler on Nov. 18.


Due to the likelihood of registration already being closed; I don't know whether those registered for this year's NYC Marathon can necessarily enter for this year's Philadelphia Marathon at the last minute.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1028 times:

Update: the Philadelphia Marathon is having a lottery for up 3000 NYC Marathon runners that were registered to run in this year's cancelled race to participate in Philly's upcoming marathon.

http://www.philadelphiamarathon.com/nyc-marathon-lottery-info

Openeing excerpt:

The Philadelphia Marathon has opened its race to an additional 3,000 registered NYC marathoners. In order to qualify for this lottery, you will need to provide your NYC Marathon registration confirmation number that you received in your race confirmation from the NYRR organizers.

ONLY those who registered for the 2012 NYC Marathon are eligible for this special lottery.

The lottery process begins Wednesday, November 7th at 9 a.m. EST. It closes Thursday, November, 8th at 5 p.m. EST. Upon the start of the lottery, you can click on the Register for the Lottery button toward the bottom of this page to enter into the lottery.



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