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Why So Hard To Run An Election  
User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 998 times:

"Elections officials, overwhelmed with voters, locked the doors to its Doral headquarters and temporarily shut down the operation, angering nearly 200 voters standing in line outside — only to resume the proceedings an hour later.
...
Nearly all the voters stayed in line until a campaign worker reported her car had been towed from a private parking lot across the street. Scores of people ducked out of the line to check on their own cars.

Behind closed doors were back-and-forth phone calls among the department, the county attorney’s office and the mayor, who eventually decided to let the people outside the elections department vote."

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/11/0...e%20turnout&asset_type=html_module

Why are we having so many problems running an election? We have had the ID issues, registration problems with people who should be allowed to vote not being able to and voters who shouldn't doing it anyway, thrown away registrations, multi-hour lines. The article above lists many more problems with how election officials try to circumvent one craziness by doing many other.

Come Tuesday and the following days I'm sure we will be able to add many more cases of the above plust counting problems.

On another thread someone complained about UN sending election monitors and some states are threatening to ban them. Are we so embarrassed about or election process that we are afraid to let people see it?


Will we ever be able to run a smooth election?

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 963 times:

This is why I oppose early voting, because this is what you get. Waiting in line for 4 hours just to vote early is ridiculous.

Absentee Ballots are the way to go, or just go vote on Nov 6. It's not that difficult to do. Doing early voting just complicates things, IMO.

For those who think voting on a Tuesday is so difficult and disrupts lives, then they are delusional. Taking one day to vote is really nothing.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 941 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
This is why I oppose early voting, because this is what you get. Waiting in line for 4 hours just to vote early is ridiculous.

If the organisation can't handle multiple days of early voting already, how would it be able to handle everyone voting on the same day?

This appears to be a combination of issues:

• doing the election on the cheap with far too little resources

• exposing the electoral process to partisan manipulation instead of having a unified, rigid electoral process every state and community was forced to adhere to

• deliberately screwing with the process, making it more fragile and less transparent (voting machines are a pandora's box all by themselves)

Germany has "only" about 80 million people, but elections are a non-issue with automatic voter registration (you automatically get your notification in the mail), no need for early voting, still no or insignificant lines on election day (I've never waited for longer than maybe 5 minutes), no voting machines (regular, standardized paper ballots filled in with ball pens), manual counting, no significant complications and results are still in a few hours after end of voting the same evening.

The US electoral process looks like a giant avoidable mess which sometimes reaches into vote suppression territory (the electoral system as such is another problem in itself). Horrendous.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 933 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
If the organisation can't handle multiple days of early voting already, how would it be able to handle everyone voting on the same day?

It was never an issue in the past here in the U.S before this crap program started. Why its an issue now is because of the fact that the early voting thing was ill planned and not conducted correctly. The organizers did not anticipate nor plan or these crowds, in which is why thy cannot handle what they started.

Voting on Election Day was never a problem. I have never ever seen a crowd waiting to vote.

IMO, early voting has backfired badly. No one should have to wait 4 hours to vote. Pathetic and piss poor planning.

If its worth anything.....I voted with an absentee ballot and mailed it in, checked online if my ballot was accepted.....and it was. No lines, no fuss.....no stress.  



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User currently offlineHOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 932 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
If the organisation can't handle multiple days of early voting already, how would it be able to handle everyone voting on the same day?

  

These problems occur every election cycle. They just are being reported more and more often.

If people didn't vote early, then voting sites would be overwhelmed on election day (many still are, anyway).

I think having everyone vote on one day (and on a Tuesday, no less) is really a dumb idea. Especially in today's society, where people are on the go a lot more and have many things going on.

For example, I'm away from home and won't get back until Tuesday night, and if everything went exactly right, I might get to the polls just a few minutes before they close. But, I knew that ahead of time, so I voted two weeks ago.

The last time I tried voting absentee, my ballot got lost in the mail (I never received it). I reported it to the elections office, and they said they'd send me a replacement. I never received that either.

I'd rather vote in person, and know that my ballot has been cast. But it's just not practical to be available on the day of all the time. Instead of Tuesday being "election day," it really should just be "last day to vote."



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 912 times:

I read somewhere that India has its elections over a couple of weeks or something like that. It makes sense. If you want people to vote, allow them to pick times when they have the chance to do so without missing work/kids/etc. and make the process as smooth as you can. I voted by mail this year though- I checked that box when I first registered and it makes voting like a normal person more complicated so I'm kind of stuck with it at the moment.

OTOH if you don't want people to vote this is excellent ammunition for anyone who wants to dispute the election outcome (and when I say anyone I mean everyone as Team Obama and Team Romney have both hired dozens and dozens of lawyers already.)


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 903 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
It was never an issue in the past here in the U.S before this crap program started. Why its an issue now is because of the fact that the early voting thing was ill planned and not conducted correctly.

Have the number of polling places been cut at the same time? If not, why can they suddenly not handle the same number of voters stretched out over multiple days they had served in a single day before? Or have many voters just been prevented from casting their ballot?

From reports so far it seems this time many votes will effectively be suppressed by dismal voting infrastructure combined with ballots deliberately being loaded up with extraneous crap.

One could have imagined that the disastrous 2000 election should have woken up a few people. That doesn't seem to have been enough, apparently. This is utterly bizarre, extremely embarrassing for a country that paints itself as the shining example of how democracy is supposed to work, and ultimately it's just sad.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 903 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 5):
If you want people to vote, allow them to pick times when they have the chance to do so without missing work/kids/etc.

Here is a solution to SOME of the problem. You have PLENTY of time to vote on Election Day.....

http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html

I'm tired of some BS excuse that people say they don't simply have the time when they really do. These laws that I provided helps with this issue. It helps to know the voting laws in your State.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...... Lame.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6122 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Here we vote on Sundays, it helps people to have time to vote, and also to volunteer on the spot to help with the process.


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User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1482 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 876 times:

It is voter suppression when you have GOP governors and officials trying to mess with people's right to vote. Was it that hard of Florida's governor to have extended voting for one more day?

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 873 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
I'm tired of some BS excuse that people say they don't simply have the time when they really do. These laws that I provided helps with this issue. It helps to know the voting laws in your State.

People work two jobs. They have to wait in line for hours. Those in more urban communities tend to have to wait longer in line.

Why would you not want 100.0% of Americans to be able to cast a ballot easily and conveniently?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 840 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
It was never an issue in the past here in the U.S before this crap program started. Why its an issue now is because of the fact that the early voting thing was ill planned and not conducted correctly.

I think it depends on what state you live in. It's certainly not the case where I live (Austin, TX). Early voting has only gotten easier and more convenient here.

Our Early voting ran from Oct 22 through November 2. We had 22 early voting sites throughout the county at customer-friendly polling locations in high-traffic retail locations like grocery stores, malls, libraries, The University of Texas, etc. In addition there were mobile early voting sites which operate on certain days/times in municipal buildings, retirement communities, some of the smaller colleges campuses,etc.

In the past, in my particular county, if you waited until election day to vote, you had to go to your individual precinct. Now, even that has changed. Any registered voter in Travis County can vote at any of the 207 polling places on election day.

Of course, there's no reason to make voting hard here. It doesn't really matter how many Democrats turn out to vote. Texas is still a red state (so far).

It seems like the states that have the most problems are the swing states (Like Florida & Ohio)

LoneStarMike


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21126 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
These laws that I provided helps with this issue.

Yeah, those two hours after the polls open are plenty of time when the line is two hours long. Or the hour after when it might take you an hour to get to the polls from where you work. Or you might have to work several jobs. Or you might have a family you need to get home to to take care of. Or you might live in one of those states where there is no law allowing you time off to vote. Or your employer just might threaten to fire you, knowing that you're probably not going to go through the hassle of challenging it legally.

There are plenty of reasons why early voting makes sense. All the states have to do is run it properly. It cannot be that hard.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
Voting on Election Day was never a problem. I have never ever seen a crowd waiting to vote.

The first time I voted (2004), I waited in line for about three hours, on Election Day. I got there about an hour before the polls closed.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
It seems like the states that have the most problems are the swing states (Like Florida & Ohio)

Where the politicians have reason to interfere with the process. Which is all the more reason to get the job of elections out of their hands.

And then you've got all the third-party groups who are trying to disenfranchise people who they think would vote for the other side (under the guise of being "concerned citizens" monitoring the election), you've got electronic voting machines that don't leave a paper trail (we'd better hope there's no recount required in Pennsylvania or Virginia), etc. It's an absolute mess. And the way to fix it would be to impose a national standard for procedure, machines, ID requirements and the like, but that'll probably run into some massive opposition for some reason or other.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you not want 100.0% of Americans to be able to cast a ballot easily and conveniently?

Did you not see the link I provided?

Quoting Mir,reply=12Yeah, those two hours after the polls open are plenty of time when the line is two hours long. Or the hour after when it might take you an hour to get to the polls from where you work. Or you might have to work several jobs. Or you might have a family you need to get home to to take care of. Or you might live in one of those states where there is no law allowing you time off to vote. Or your employer just might threaten to fire you, knowing that you're probably not going to go through the hassle of challenging it legally.][/quote]

Again: excuses, excuses, excuses. Get an absentee ballot. It's not that difficult to request one and mail it in.

[quote=Mir
(Reply 12):
I got there about an hour before the polls closed.

Sounds like lack of planning to me. That's your own fault.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
if you waited until election day to vote, you had to go to your individual precinct.

And there is a reason for that. It cuts down on crowds, especially if you're assigned to a precinct. If you can't vote in Election Day, get a mail in ballot.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1062 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 827 times:

I would be very, very angry if the local voting station's inefficiency caused long queues and thus polls to close before my vote had been counted. I remember it happening in the UK during the last election. Totally unacceptable.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/election_2010/8666338.stm

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):

Here we vote on Sundays, it helps people to have time to vote, and also to volunteer on the spot to help with the process.

Holding general elections in the weekend seems pretty logical. Here they are held on a Saturday (so the majority of the population won't be at work), but people can vote up to two weeks early. The system is very efficient; in the 2011 election 89% of voters didn't have to queue.
http://www.elections.org.nz/study/re...oter-satisfaction-survey-2011.html

In Australia it is compulsory for everyone of voting age to return a ballot, yet their elections are still run efficiently.

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
you've got electronic voting machines that don't leave a paper trail

Absolute craziness.    I often think that having Election Ink where a ballot has the voter's fingerprint on it, has many merits.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Sounds like lack of planning to me. That's your own fault.

Unfortunately the nature of life is that there are plenty of situations out of one's control which could cause one's trip to the voting station to be delayed.

Just my 2c.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21126 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Sounds like lack of planning to me.

A presence of classes, actually.

-Mir



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 827 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
This is why I oppose early voting, because this is what you get. Waiting in line for 4 hours just to vote early is ridiculous

I waited 10 minutes.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
For those who think voting on a Tuesday is so difficult and disrupts lives, then they are delusional. Taking one day to vote is really nothing.

Why would one day be better than multiple days?
The issues will happen regardless of site.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3335 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
This is why I oppose early voting, because this is what you get. Waiting in line for 4 hours just to vote early is ridiculous.

That isn't a reason to oppose early voting, make the process more efficient than it is.

What I would oppose is a federally imposed GAG order to not allow the media to poll on early voters and say that a majority of either party is voting more than the other because it will turn off others to vote on election day.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 2):
exposing the electoral process to partisan manipulation instead of having a unified, rigid electoral process every state and community was forced to adhere to

  

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
I'm tired of some BS excuse that people say they don't simply have the time when they really do. These laws that I provided helps with this issue. It helps to know the voting laws in your State.

I was going to ask about that and skimming through the article it is good that most states give time off to vote which is how things work north of the border.

The best solution to this is to put election day on a Saturday or make it a holiday which is what some countries do and they have much higher turnouts than the US does.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 8):
Here we vote on Sundays, it helps people to have time to vote, and also to volunteer on the spot to help with the process.

The issue I would have with Sunday is that its football day in the US so that might backfire  



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21126 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
What I would oppose is a federally imposed GAG order to not allow the media to poll on early voters and say that a majority of either party is voting more than the other because it will turn off others to vote on election day.

And I do think that would hold up constitution-wise, since knowing the results of early voting can influence the election. Poll results should only be discussed once the polls in that state have closed.

-Mir



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1169 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Did you not see the link I provided?
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
I was going to ask about that and skimming through the article it is good that most states give time off to vote which is how things work north of the border.

Seems to me what that article shows is that less than half the states offer paid time off. Time off isn't worth much if you're having to pay for the privilege.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 10):
Why would you not want 100.0% of Americans to be able to cast a ballot easily and conveniently?

This is the only question anybody should be asking. More specifically, do you want voting to be as easy for one person as it is for another? Or do you want to make certain sections of the population more likely than others to be able to vote?

Imagine a hypothetical situation that is not based on one person's perceptions of what certain sections of society "should" and "shouldn't" be able to do. Let's just say we use a system where all voters who voted for the Democrats in the last election have to pay $1 to vote in this election, while Republican voters can vote for free. After all, everybody can afford $1 to vote, right? And if they aren't willing to pay that $1, they couldn't have wanted to vote that badly. So what difference does it make?

Is that a fair system? One we should aspire to? What if you replace "Democrats" with "men" and "Republicans" with "women" in that example? Or with blacks and whites; old and young?

Rich and poor?



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
This is why I oppose early voting, because this is what you get. Waiting in line for 4 hours just to vote early is ridiculous.

Sounds like the wrong solution to me. The goal should be to get as many as possible to care enough to vote but reality is that even if we made the voting day a public holiday there are many essentials jobs that can't stop, e.g. hospitals, and the solution is to make it possible for them to work at times off. Thus the solution should be to provide enough capacity for the demand that so clearly is there.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
It seems like the states that have the most problems are the swing states (Like Florida & Ohio)

Makes you think that there is something other than practical reasons behind it.

Quoting Mir (Reply 12):
Yeah, those two hours after the polls open are plenty of time when the line is two hours long. Or the hour after when it might take you an hour to get to the polls from where you work. Or you might have to work several jobs. Or you might have a family you need to get home to to take care of. Or you might live in one of those states where there is no law allowing you time off to vote. Or your employer just might threaten to fire you, knowing that you're probably not going to go through the hassle of challenging it legally.

Reality.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Did you not see the link I provided?

I saw it. 40% of states provide nothing.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Sounds like lack of planning to me. That's your own fault.

Sound like reality to me.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
I often think that having Election Ink where a ballot has the voter's fingerprint on it, has many merits.

I don't like this one bit. I do not like the idea that you can identify who cast a certain vote. A separate sheet identifying who has cast votes I'd support.


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):
Here is a solution to SOME of the problem. You have PLENTY of time to vote on Election Day.....

http://www.findlaw.com/voting-rights-law.html

I'm tired of some BS excuse that people say they don't simply have the time when they really do. These laws that I provided helps with this issue. It helps to know the voting laws in your State.

I took the time to look at that link (thanks for providing it) and I noticed that 17 states and the District of Columbia don't have any specific laws requiring employers to give employees time off to vote. (And Florida is one of those states.)

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 11):
if you waited until election day to vote, you had to go to your individual precinct.

And there is a reason for that. It cuts down on crowds, especially if you're assigned to a precinct. If you can't vote in Election Day, get a mail in ballot.

Sorry, but I disagree. I remember here in Texas before we had early voting. It didn't take 4 hours to vote, but it often took at least an hour. And that was back when you had to vote at the polling place for your precinct. Back in 1990 my county only had 576,000 residents, and we have over 1,000,000 today. If we were only allowed to vote on election day, I suspect the lines for voting would be much longer for those who don't choose to use mail-in ballots. And not everyone likes using the mail-in ballots. How do you know it won't get lost in the mail? Or how do you know whether or not your election official will decide that your signature on the ballot doesn't match what's on file and throw out your ballot? Voting in person helps avoid these situations.

Using that link you provided, Texas law requires

Quote:
Employees must be given time to vote without any penalty if polls are not open for 2 consecutive hours outside the employee's work day.

Here - on election day - the polls are open from 7:00 am to 7:00 pm. If you live in the suburbs but work downtown, and your workday is 8:00 am to 5:00 pm, there's probably not enough time for you to vote on election day and still get to work on time. If you get off at 5:00 pm, then technically the polls will still be open 2 hours outside your working day, so the employer doesn't have to give you any time off. But it can take you an hour or more in traffic to get home (where your polling place would be.) and perhaps longer if you had to pick up your kids on the way.

Allowing people to vote at any polling place on election day means people can vote at a place near where they work on their lunch hour, or near where they have to pick up their kids, or at a mega voting site with more machines and personnel where the lines move more quickly. (I think it's ridiculous that some states like Ohio sometimes have more voting machines at precincts out in the suburbs, and fewer voting machines at polling places in the more heavily populated inner cities)

I thought having more choices for people was a good thing. That's why airlines offer First Class, Business Class, Economy Plus, Coach, etc. But when it comes to voting you are suggesting that people have one of two choices. Deal with long lines on early voting days/election day, or use a mail-in ballot.

BTW, if you don't mind me asking,

1. Do you live in what's considered a swing state? and

2. Does your state offer early voting, and if so, are the early voting lines very long?

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 14):
Unfortunately the nature of life is that there are plenty of situations out of one's control which could cause one's trip to the voting station to be delayed.

I disagree. Plan ahead. If you're too busy to vote, again....get an absentee ballot and mail it in.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
What I would oppose is a federally imposed GAG order to not allow the media to poll on early voters and say that a majority of either party is voting more than the other because it will turn off others to vote on election day.

  . Agreed. Releasing preliminary numbers just influences the voting outcome for both, the good and the bad. The numbers should be held secretly until 7 pm on Election Day. I really get annoyed when the media releases the days numbers every morning.

Quoting cmf (Reply 20):
Sounds like the wrong solution to me.

Huh?! The only solution that I have offered for those "oh, so busy and way too important to vote" folks is to get an absentee ballot. Trust me, they're not THAT busy. It's sheer laziness.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
How do you know it won't get lost in the mail?

Boulder County, Colorado offers confirmation on the Internet that shows if your ballot was accepted or not...

https://www.bouldercounty.org/elections/register/pages/voterinfolookup.aspx

I used this to see if they accepted by ballot or not. And they did.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
Voting in person helps avoid these situations.

No, it doesn't. A provisional ballot has zero guarantee that it will be counted.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
1. Do you live in what's considered a swing state?

I live in Colorado, a battleground state.

Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 21):
2. Does your state offer early voting, and if so, are the early voting lines very long?

Yes it does. And 9News has reported very long lines at some early voting polling places last week.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18709 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Did you not see the link I provided?

Yes I did. In many states, employers are required to make absolutely no accommodation for voting. In many, they are required to grant two hours. That's pretty useless with an eight-hour line.

Again, what are you afraid of? Why is it so intolerable to you that 100% of Americans should be able to easily and quickly cast their ballot? Why should exercising a fundamental right take a bunch of planning and scheduling?

The only possible reason you (and the Conservatives in general) would oppose it is because you might not like the result. And that is beyond cynical. It's anti-American.

There, I said it. Now PROVE you have another motivation. PROVE that there is another valid reason why 100.0% of Americans should not be able to vote quickly and conveniently either at home or at a poll without waiting in line for even one hour.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (1 year 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 826 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Again, what are you afraid of?

Who said I was afraid of anything?   

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Why is it so intolerable to you that 100% of Americans should be able to easily and quickly cast their ballot?

I never said that. What I said was if one cannot cast their ballot on Election Day, then cast it on an absentee ballot and send it in the mail. No lines to fuss over and it's pretty, pretty simple.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Why should exercising a fundamental right take a bunch of planning and scheduling?

You're gonna have to ask Congress that. I don't make the rules. They do.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
The only possible reason you (and the Conservatives in general) would oppose it is because you might not like the result.

Are you friggin serious?! Seriously?! Are you THAT naive to think that?! The only thing I do NOT like is how the media gets the numbers for the days voting. That should be illegal like someone suggested earlier in reply 17.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
It's anti-American.

   unreal coming from you calling me anti-American.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
Now PROVE you have another motivation.

You need to read. I just did.......many, many times on this thread.



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25 Ken777 : If you are white, or live in a more accommodating location it' fine to vote on Tuesday. I won't have a problem (I fit both requirements) and will eve
26 zckls04 : The problem is that mail-in ballots are the most easy method to exploit for fraudulent purposes. In fact the vast majority of election fraud is assoc
27 Post contains images AirframeAS : It does. Waiting in line to vote for 1-4 hours, for starters. You should not be waiting in line to vote, period. To be honest, I have never seen it.
28 DocLightning : No. You did not. Even once. You just said that people need to suck it up and stop making excuses. You did not say why voting should not be effortless
29 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Thanks for the info. Obviously, different states have different rules and procedures. In Texas, we can go on the internet to see if we are registered
30 DocLightning : Yup. Exactly. So those "lazy" people who work 14-hour days and can't wait 8 hours to vote at their precinct don't get to vote. Oddly, those "lazy" pe
31 Post contains images AirframeAS : Yes I did..... See here: I have to read FOR you. Uh, ok. You should be able to go home, sit down, read the facts, decide for yourself, take your time
32 Newark727 : Not like I have any first hand experience, but I think the rules for felons voting vary from state to state.
33 Post contains links LoneStarMike : I also wanted to address an earlier point made by AirframeAS with a link to support an earlier claim I made about long lines in Texas on election day
34 DocLightning : And yet you conveniently ignore the bit about Texas refusing absentee ballots for people who have to work all day and can't physically make it to the
35 LoneStarMike : You're correct, but not everyone in jail is there on a felony charge, and even then, I "think" you can still vote while in jail if you haven't yet be
36 Post contains images Jetsgo : Funny how it's always you who brings up race. Wait a minute, no, it's not funny, it's just plain sad.
37 AirframeAS : oh, not a problem. You did not have to do that, but I respect you for it. Thanks. I wonder how this works, given that one is in jail, how would he or
38 us330 : And sometimes the ballot won't be counted, even if it was not a product of fraud. I voted absentee in Texas one year for the gubernatorial election,
39 Newark727 : You get baked a cake with a ballot inside.
40 DocLightning : Wait, are you saying everyone should be able to have an absentee ballot? In that case, then I agree and I have no dispute with you. But that's not wh
41 AirframeAS : LOL! I would LOVE to see that happen. I guess then it would need to be sneaked out, too? LOL!
42 AeroWesty : Didn't you get a sample ballot to do that in the mail? Sample ballots are also downloadable. People voting in person who'd requested absentee ballots
43 Post contains images LoneStarMike : Well fortunately, I have no experience in that matter (knock on wood) but I'm assuming that inmates can send and receive mail. I did find this on one
44 Post contains images AirframeAS : I would reckon if a person requests an absentee ballot, they would be on the absentee "precinct" and then taken off the voter rolls at their normal p
45 DocLightning : Because the ballot is HUGE. I can't (or at least don't want to) memorize my answers to every ballot issue and candidate. Don't understand how it's an
46 AeroWesty : That doesn't answer my question. I get a Voter's Pamphlet in the mail, and used to get a sample ballot to fill out too to take with me to my precinct
47 Post contains images cmf : Hold your huh, oh and way too important and look back at your own reply and you'll see that your suggestion wasn't just to get an absentee ballot but
48 DocLightning : No. You are holding a valid ballot with a serial number on it. I'll spell it out. There are two ways to get a ballot: 1) Vote absentee and it arrives
49 Post contains images Mir : He's saying that, but he's also saying that absentee should be the only way to vote other than showing up at the polls on election day. No early voti
50 jetblueguy22 : As a conservative I'd have to disagree with your statement. I know I don't speak for everyone, but I want a fair election. I may not agree with the P
51 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Thanks for the response. My own experience involved early voting at a supermarket about a 15-minute walk from where I live. (I think there were 12 vo
52 cws818 : Indeed. Unfortunately, not all states make them easy to obtain. Absolutely - however, it really should not take an entire day to vote! Fortunately, n
53 Pyrex : The thing you have to realize about elections in a state like Florida is that you have millions of residents, many of which need to vote 3 or 4 times
54 cmf : Meaning we should be extremely experienced and know exactly what it takes to make it work. I.e. a problem with maintaining and enforcing who who has
55 Post contains links cmf : Is this video real? 2012 Voting Machines Altering Votes
56 Post contains images Mir : Looks like it. Talk about a waste of money. -Mir
57 flyingturtle : U.S. elections? Always a complete fustercluck. In Switzerland, we use ballots exclusively, and we publish a definitive vote count in a mere 6 hours.
58 cmf : Very similar to what I grew up with. It is a simple and straight solution. Get the ballots. Lock the doors. Don't unlock them until everyone agree on
59 HOMsAR : You obviously know very little about US history. Google "poll tax" and see what comes up. While illegal today, poll taxes were one of the ways employ
60 Mortyman : Here we go again ... 70000 irregularities has been called in so far ... Voting machines not working Voters told via phone that voting office is open f
61 Post contains images AirframeAS : Excuse me?! Just because I got one thing wrong does not mean I know "little" about U.S. history. WTH?!
62 flyingturtle : Everybody is getting something wrong from time to time, but I think is a pretty bold statement when the topic is "USA" and "elections". Some years ago
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