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BBC: The World Doesn't Like Romney  
User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day, it's interesting to look at how the world views the race. Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney, with a pretty good sample represented here by BBC World:



Only Pakistan registers positive support for Governor Romney in the above.

Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities. But I haven't heard anything remotely positive about Romney here either - basically people can't understand why anybody would trust someone so wealthy to care about anyone or anything. South Korea and Japan in particular have endured an endless stream of financial scandals among their politicians in recent years, so this kind of sentiment runs pretty damn strong.


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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1578 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1198 times:
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Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Only Pakistan registers positive support for Governor Romney in the above.

And thats only because Obama keeps droneing the living shit out of them.

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

It only matters who the American people who vote think in the long run! Vote today!


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities. But I haven't heard anything remotely positive about Romney here either -

Empty suit fits the man's description rather well.
I am a neither-neither Rombama/Obomney.

 Wow!



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User currently onlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8299 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
It only matters who the American people who vote think in the long run!

The choice is theirs, yes, but outside the American life + media fishbowl, there are billions of engaged onlookers. It's really something as an expat to see election issues an entire ocean away take the lead story in the news for days ahead of the election.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

The thing is we're not voting for someone our neighbors like, or for a friend, were voting for someone who can move us foreward in this ever changing world, and who can hopefully get us out of these economic and financial problems.

[Edited 2012-11-06 08:35:52]


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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet, we only see what the media puts in front of us, a visit here and there or a rousing speech after a tragedy or victory. Then when countries such as Spain and France are doing as poorly as they are it's hard to critique him on his economic management, doubt even Obama would pull the nuclear move of a 75% marginal tax rate.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

I think you'll find that even most conservatives/Republicans/independents don't really like Romney. Most people who I know that are voting for Romney are doing it purely because he's not Obama, however most don't really like Romney.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20368 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet,

We've had four years of Obama. What exactly do you think he's holding back on that he hasn't said outright?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):

As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day, it's interesting to look at how the world views the race. Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney, with a pretty good sample represented here by BBC World:

Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Look at Poland for example. Obama royally pissed off the Poles over the whole missile defense thing. Talking to my Polish friends still in Krakow and Warsaw they tell me Obama is not well liked at all and they would much prefer someone like Romney (although they are some of the few that follow US election news, sometimes).

Utterly meaningless poll, and a new low for the BBC.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

That is because Romney will not apologize to them for apparent "Offensive Behavior" by the US.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
however most don't really like Romney.

Says who. I like the guy. He's on target while Obama has proven himself a failure. The fact that anyone would vote for another term with the wrecking ball, blows my mind. During his underwhelming Sandy speech in New Jersey last week he did state that "America leaves no one behind"...Benghazi anyone?!. The guy is a rote liar and will probably be re elected and will at best perform as a lame duck pres. How pathetic!


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

I'm calling BS on these numbers. Obama is popular up here in Canada, but there's no way he's favoured over Romney by 6.5/1. Obama pissed off a mighty lot of Canadians with his handling of the XL Pipeline.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
I am a neither-neither Rombama/Obomney.

   I wouldn't vote for either of them.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet

What do you mean? The guy has been in office for 4 years.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7983 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

A good point is brought up that Romney probably isn't as well known. I actually thought this graph was trolling since they put "Kenya" as the first country  

And again, it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, only voters in a few US states really. Who knows, maybe Romney (if elected) might not be a disaster abroad. He had some gaffes already but they were pretty minor IMO



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
Then when countries such as Spain and France are doing as poorly as they are it's hard to critique him on his economic management, doubt even Obama would pull the nuclear move of a 75% marginal tax rate.

Nuclear for the US (not in the 50's, though). To us, what's nuclear is the prevalence of religion in US politics. At least with Obama this is minimized. But we also feel Romney is a Bush 3, and he isn't trying to convince people he is not. The middle east is much closer to us than it is to the US, so we'd rather avoid new wars that could have real consequences for us.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21881 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
Who knows, maybe Romney (if elected) might not be a disaster abroad. He had some gaffes already but they were pretty minor IMO

When you have to send your son over to Russia to tell them "calm down, my dad doesn't really mean all the things he's saying about you", that's a problem. When you're going to needlessly piss off China on day one of your term, that's a problem. Romney has nothing on foreign policy.

-Mir



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Obama has generally at least tried to be more democratic and gentle with his foreign policies. It's not like we didn't know who Romney is, majority of the world just doesn't want US to be ruled by someone who has big potential of becoming another George W Bush, warmongering evil war criminal.

[Edited 2012-11-06 09:17:19]


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney,

As much as I prefer Obama, I regard Romney as a competent man who has shown his qualities both as businessman and as Governor of Massachusetts. And so, I am perfectly ready to accept him if he gets elected. As much as I would and hopefully will prefer a victory of Obama.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10937 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

The Daily Mail came up with a good title.

But who'll be crying tomorrow?:
Obama WEEPS as Ann breaks down at Romney rally.... now America must choose between them

Both candidates appear overwhelmed and emotional in final campaign stops
Grappling for final votes comes as national polls place Romney just one point ahead of Obama
Romney up one point in Ohio and race tied in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to campaign's internal polling
But Romney trailing in Nevada, according to campaign pollster Neil Newhouse
If the internal polls - which the Obama campaign scoffs at - are correct, Romney will almost certainly win election

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ey-Obama-scramble-votes-hours.html

   

I can't even say "may the best one win" as I don't feel that neither one or the other are the best one.



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User currently onlineFerminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

The Netherlands is not included in the poll, but I can only conclude that what I see above is completely in line what I hear around me.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20368 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.

Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

The US may be the single largest economic superpower, but the rest of the world can also live without us. We, on the other hand, cannot live without the rest of the world.

If you're not willing to put that kind of skin in the game, then sit back and watch.


User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 18):
Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

Exactly. Here the election has been covered extensively throughout the year, even though we had our own elections going on. Since a few weeks all major channels have something to say about the election every day, and since last week many documentaries about the US (about Chicago, the auto industry, the poor, the men who made the US, etc.) air on prime time.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities.

Some areas of leadership, like health care reform came from far more than an empty suit. As did the courage to give the green light to get OBL and other senior terrorists.

The man came into office with some good ideas. He took on a heavy load with The Great Recession and also The Party of No.

Biggest difference between him and Tea Party? Romney will spend his time taking care of the very wealthy, ripping the legs off of programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - all with a result of moving trillions over to the financial sector.

I can find nothing in the Romney/Ryan Administration to give me any assurance for the security of my children and grandchildren. Romney is there for the wealthy - not for the three generation in my family.

Nor do I see Romney doing anything to help the Middle Class, which I believe is the foundation of this country.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):

The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet,

As opposed to W's crap? A totally unnecessary 10 year war draining trillions from our long term financial position, 40+ thousand Purple Hearts for the unnecessary KIAs and the unnecessary WIA?

What about the Great Recession W & Dicky left us with?

I had a niece (and her family) visit us from Australia. Both her and her husband are well educated and are very aware internationally. (Aussies tend to be more informed of world news that Yanks, but that is another thread.)

The world is just as knowledgable on Obama as they were on W. And Obama commands far more respect than W.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

Most of the politicians care only about money and power, thus they are not willing to cancel diplomatic relations with any government that has both of those, and US sure has. Opinions of ordinary people have little to no effect on most of so called democracies.

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 18):
Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

True, US elections have been widely covered in here Finland too.

[Edited 2012-11-06 09:42:35]


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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6963 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1200 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

Diplomatic relations are something you cancel only when it's almost war. We have diplomatic relations with countries we have no other kind of relations with.

Now, I believe in what my country did against Bush at the UN and hope we would do it again, no matter the US pressure. I also believe De Gaulle closing US bases in France was the right call, but clearly many countries are happy with foreign bases on their soil (including French bases).

Did you know that France has currently the best military satellite fleet after the US ? That was directly caused by the US misleading the French military during the first gulf war. That's how we knew that the US was bullshitting the world to go back there.



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1198 times:
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I would go as far to say that people from other modern democracies probably know more about our candidates and issues than the average American. With our media and the politicial spin that EVERYTHING we see is filtered through, an outside observer might just have a better understanding of the issues.

25 Post contains images MadameConcorde : What I find really odd in all this... suppose Mitt Romney wins there will be no champagne for him and his family as they don't drink any alcoholic be
26 2707200X : Hate, the one sure thing that drives the Mitt Romney campaign. It seems that the only thing the Stupid Party cares about is blocking votes,attack vot
27 Post contains links Mortyman : There is basically wall to wall coverage of the ellection here in Norway from all angles. On a side note, for those of you watching CNN, Fox Channel
28 kaitak : Yes, a businessman ... but he's not running a business; he's running a society. Now, the thing that gets me is that the first thing he wants to do (t
29 Post contains images Revelation : What I find so interesting is how a nation of 300m people go through this tortured process to find one candidate to become leader, and how flawed the
30 Mortyman : What is crazy is the amount of money that has been put into the ellection campaigns for these two to move just a small amount of voters to one side or
31 QFA380 : Most people outside the very rich haven't had any effects from healthcare, from massive deficits, summary executions with drones, increasing bifurcat
32 Post contains links AeroWesty : Campaign finances are used not only to influence independent and undecided voters, but also to shore up support and turnout at the election for each
33 Venus6971 : Being deployed many times along side French troops there is a reason we don't share information with you. One incident was during Southern Watch we d
34 Post contains images Speedbird741 : A dash on the extreme side, but great reasoning there, Doc Speedbird741
35 TheCommodore : Don't know who he is.... Give me a break With ALL the endless media coverage of the US elections, we see Romney on our TV screens more, than are own
36 Post contains images OA260 : There is an alternative --- A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II In
37 Post contains images allrite : At least in Australia I suspect that the sentiment against Romney would be less but for the company he keeps. Even our more right wing media reports o
38 Rara : Ach, nonsense. Everybody here knows Mitt Romney. Nobody here likes Mitt Romney. That's just the way it is. We'll survive if he is elected. We survive
39 Post contains images aloges : Who said that we feel "strongly about it"? I don't like my own government, but I don't really feel strongly about that one, either. I'll vote against
40 Aesma : Oh I'm sure there we good reasons on both sides. But for a country 6 times poorer than the US and that spends less relatively in arms, there was a go
41 Pyrex : Why is it interesting? To see just how ignorant people outside the U.S. are about the U.S.? And you would be woefully, woefully wrong. As a European
42 Post contains images aloges : How interesting, I shall have to discuss this with an acquaintance of mine who has just started work as one such US editor of a European newspaper. H
43 Revelation : That strategy is supposed to convey certitude, but in reality it just conveys close-mindedness.
44 Post contains images OA260 : You only just noticed Many of us have known for a long time now lol..
45 Post contains images aloges : not really Anyway, I'm glad that Romney didn't win - it would have been much easier to portray him as an adversary (or demon, or whatever an anti-Ame
46 Pyrex : If I scroll down to the U.S. section of the website of a "reputable" Portuguese newspaper I can guarantee you that at least 50% of the time it will b
47 aloges : Which one would that be? It seems as though you need to find a different newspaper... in any case, online content often differs from print content. A
48 OA260 : I'm glad too . Obama has been a good leader in difficult times and I hope he can work over the next 4 years to improve things for the people who real
49 Post contains images Quokkas : Of course it is. First law of conducting a poll: frame the question to get the result you want. Maybe, but after wall-to-wall of never-ending US elec
50 Post contains images scbriml : You're kidding right? Do you know how much coverage of the election there has been here? Mitt's visit to the UK before the Olympics was enough to con
51 pvjin : Most Europeans seem to have a lot more clear view about US actions in the world than average American has through all the propaganda your media is fu
52 Post contains links aloges : Holy cow... why the generalisation? There are enormous amounts of nationalism and religious propaganda in Europe! Take a look at Poland (a more Catho
53 na : Its not about saying something, its about the ability to Do something. Obama´s first 4 years were just sweeping up the mess inherited by a Republica
54 pvjin : True Finns are mostly speaking the truth other than few of them that are too right wing for my taste, but majority of them seem to be talking way les
55 HELyes : "Mass immigration of refugees" in Finland? Are you kidding? Glad to see Obama is back. I think in the rather homogeneous Finland and in Europe genera
56 na : Very nice!
57 Pyrex : Either Diario de Noticias or Publico, which are actually not generally totally horrible newspapers, at least compared to the crap that passes off as
58 Post contains images aloges : When did "BILD" ever, and I mean ever during its entire existence, pass off as news?! It is known as the worst of the German tabloids by everyone wit
59 Post contains images Quokkas : Gosh, what a stunning revelation! I wondered why the President hadn't phoned me recently. The world is made up of how many countries? What most Ameri
60 Pyrex : I was referring to another famous (historic) European party of fascist tendencies that had the words "National" and "Socialist" in it. The economic p
61 OzGlobal : First, most non-Americans would probably much prefer to live in a world where the US administration did not impact our lives. Unfortunately, that is
62 pvjin : Yeah sure, but that's just natural. The US has been formed through immigration from many countries so it's just natural that in liberal areas such as
63 offloaded : Ever considered considered starting the Partido Pyrex?? I think your country needs you! Back to topic, this really is the most pointless poll I have
64 Pyrex : Actually, by experience most areas outside NYC are a lot more welcoming than is NYC - that place is full of close-minded bigots. Nah... my view on po
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