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BBC: The World Doesn't Like Romney  
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day, it's interesting to look at how the world views the race. Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney, with a pretty good sample represented here by BBC World:



Only Pakistan registers positive support for Governor Romney in the above.

Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities. But I haven't heard anything remotely positive about Romney here either - basically people can't understand why anybody would trust someone so wealthy to care about anyone or anything. South Korea and Japan in particular have endured an endless stream of financial scandals among their politicians in recent years, so this kind of sentiment runs pretty damn strong.


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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
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Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Only Pakistan registers positive support for Governor Romney in the above.

And thats only because Obama keeps droneing the living shit out of them.

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

It only matters who the American people who vote think in the long run! Vote today!


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities. But I haven't heard anything remotely positive about Romney here either -

Empty suit fits the man's description rather well.
I am a neither-neither Rombama/Obomney.

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
It only matters who the American people who vote think in the long run!

The choice is theirs, yes, but outside the American life + media fishbowl, there are billions of engaged onlookers. It's really something as an expat to see election issues an entire ocean away take the lead story in the news for days ahead of the election.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

The thing is we're not voting for someone our neighbors like, or for a friend, were voting for someone who can move us foreward in this ever changing world, and who can hopefully get us out of these economic and financial problems.

[Edited 2012-11-06 08:35:52]


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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet, we only see what the media puts in front of us, a visit here and there or a rousing speech after a tragedy or victory. Then when countries such as Spain and France are doing as poorly as they are it's hard to critique him on his economic management, doubt even Obama would pull the nuclear move of a 75% marginal tax rate.

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

I think you'll find that even most conservatives/Republicans/independents don't really like Romney. Most people who I know that are voting for Romney are doing it purely because he's not Obama, however most don't really like Romney.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet,

We've had four years of Obama. What exactly do you think he's holding back on that he hasn't said outright?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8841 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):

As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day, it's interesting to look at how the world views the race. Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney, with a pretty good sample represented here by BBC World:

Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Look at Poland for example. Obama royally pissed off the Poles over the whole missile defense thing. Talking to my Polish friends still in Krakow and Warsaw they tell me Obama is not well liked at all and they would much prefer someone like Romney (although they are some of the few that follow US election news, sometimes).

Utterly meaningless poll, and a new low for the BBC.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

That is because Romney will not apologize to them for apparent "Offensive Behavior" by the US.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 7):
however most don't really like Romney.

Says who. I like the guy. He's on target while Obama has proven himself a failure. The fact that anyone would vote for another term with the wrecking ball, blows my mind. During his underwhelming Sandy speech in New Jersey last week he did state that "America leaves no one behind"...Benghazi anyone?!. The guy is a rote liar and will probably be re elected and will at best perform as a lame duck pres. How pathetic!


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

I'm calling BS on these numbers. Obama is popular up here in Canada, but there's no way he's favoured over Romney by 6.5/1. Obama pissed off a mighty lot of Canadians with his handling of the XL Pipeline.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
I am a neither-neither Rombama/Obomney.

   I wouldn't vote for either of them.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet

What do you mean? The guy has been in office for 4 years.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7908 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

A good point is brought up that Romney probably isn't as well known. I actually thought this graph was trolling since they put "Kenya" as the first country  

And again, it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, only voters in a few US states really. Who knows, maybe Romney (if elected) might not be a disaster abroad. He had some gaffes already but they were pretty minor IMO



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):
Then when countries such as Spain and France are doing as poorly as they are it's hard to critique him on his economic management, doubt even Obama would pull the nuclear move of a 75% marginal tax rate.

Nuclear for the US (not in the 50's, though). To us, what's nuclear is the prevalence of religion in US politics. At least with Obama this is minimized. But we also feel Romney is a Bush 3, and he isn't trying to convince people he is not. The middle east is much closer to us than it is to the US, so we'd rather avoid new wars that could have real consequences for us.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
Who knows, maybe Romney (if elected) might not be a disaster abroad. He had some gaffes already but they were pretty minor IMO

When you have to send your son over to Russia to tell them "calm down, my dad doesn't really mean all the things he's saying about you", that's a problem. When you're going to needlessly piss off China on day one of your term, that's a problem. Romney has nothing on foreign policy.

-Mir



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1261 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Obama has generally at least tried to be more democratic and gentle with his foreign policies. It's not like we didn't know who Romney is, majority of the world just doesn't want US to be ruled by someone who has big potential of becoming another George W Bush, warmongering evil war criminal.

[Edited 2012-11-06 09:17:19]


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Surveys by various global media seem to show overwhelming disapproval for Romney,

As much as I prefer Obama, I regard Romney as a competent man who has shown his qualities both as businessman and as Governor of Massachusetts. And so, I am perfectly ready to accept him if he gets elected. As much as I would and hopefully will prefer a victory of Obama.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1108 times:

The Daily Mail came up with a good title.

But who'll be crying tomorrow?:
Obama WEEPS as Ann breaks down at Romney rally.... now America must choose between them

Both candidates appear overwhelmed and emotional in final campaign stops
Grappling for final votes comes as national polls place Romney just one point ahead of Obama
Romney up one point in Ohio and race tied in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, according to campaign's internal polling
But Romney trailing in Nevada, according to campaign pollster Neil Newhouse
If the internal polls - which the Obama campaign scoffs at - are correct, Romney will almost certainly win election

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ey-Obama-scramble-votes-hours.html

   

I can't even say "may the best one win" as I don't feel that neither one or the other are the best one.



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User currently offlineFerminios From Canada, joined Apr 2011, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1109 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

The Netherlands is not included in the poll, but I can only conclude that what I see above is completely in line what I hear around me.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19708 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1111 times:

I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.

Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

The US may be the single largest economic superpower, but the rest of the world can also live without us. We, on the other hand, cannot live without the rest of the world.

If you're not willing to put that kind of skin in the game, then sit back and watch.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 18):
Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

Exactly. Here the election has been covered extensively throughout the year, even though we had our own elections going on. Since a few weeks all major channels have something to say about the election every day, and since last week many documentaries about the US (about Chicago, the auto industry, the poor, the men who made the US, etc.) air on prime time.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8276 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit, an ideas man with little in the way of leadership qualities.

Some areas of leadership, like health care reform came from far more than an empty suit. As did the courage to give the green light to get OBL and other senior terrorists.

The man came into office with some good ideas. He took on a heavy load with The Great Recession and also The Party of No.

Biggest difference between him and Tea Party? Romney will spend his time taking care of the very wealthy, ripping the legs off of programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - all with a result of moving trillions over to the financial sector.

I can find nothing in the Romney/Ryan Administration to give me any assurance for the security of my children and grandchildren. Romney is there for the wealthy - not for the three generation in my family.

Nor do I see Romney doing anything to help the Middle Class, which I believe is the foundation of this country.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 6):

The world hasn't yet had to deal with Obama's crap yet,

As opposed to W's crap? A totally unnecessary 10 year war draining trillions from our long term financial position, 40+ thousand Purple Hearts for the unnecessary KIAs and the unnecessary WIA?

What about the Great Recession W & Dicky left us with?

I had a niece (and her family) visit us from Australia. Both her and her husband are well educated and are very aware internationally. (Aussies tend to be more informed of world news that Yanks, but that is another thread.)

The world is just as knowledgable on Obama as they were on W. And Obama commands far more respect than W.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1261 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

Most of the politicians care only about money and power, thus they are not willing to cancel diplomatic relations with any government that has both of those, and US sure has. Opinions of ordinary people have little to no effect on most of so called democracies.

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 18):
Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

True, US elections have been widely covered in here Finland too.

[Edited 2012-11-06 09:42:35]


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

Diplomatic relations are something you cancel only when it's almost war. We have diplomatic relations with countries we have no other kind of relations with.

Now, I believe in what my country did against Bush at the UN and hope we would do it again, no matter the US pressure. I also believe De Gaulle closing US bases in France was the right call, but clearly many countries are happy with foreign bases on their soil (including French bases).

Did you know that France has currently the best military satellite fleet after the US ? That was directly caused by the US misleading the French military during the first gulf war. That's how we knew that the US was bullshitting the world to go back there.



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
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I would go as far to say that people from other modern democracies probably know more about our candidates and issues than the average American. With our media and the politicial spin that EVERYTHING we see is filtered through, an outside observer might just have a better understanding of the issues.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10897 posts, RR: 37
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day,

What I find really odd in all this... suppose Mitt Romney wins there will be no champagne for him and his family as they don't drink any alcoholic beverages.


       



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 10):
Says who. I like the guy. He's on target while Obama has proven himself a failure. The fact that anyone would vote for another term with the wrecking ball, blows my mind. During his underwhelming Sandy speech in New Jersey last week he did state that "America leaves no one behind"...Benghazi anyone?!. The guy is a rote liar and will probably be re elected and will at best perform as a lame duck pres. How pathetic!

Hate, the one sure thing that drives the Mitt Romney campaign. It seems that the only thing the Stupid Party cares about is blocking votes,attack voters, and go back it time when things where better for white men. Conservatives like any other ideology do not own the presidency do not own faith or morality or this country.

[Edited 2012-11-06 12:06:35]


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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1262 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

There is basically wall to wall coverage of the ellection here in Norway from all angles.


On a side note, for those of you watching CNN, Fox Channel and CBS I can tell you that it is a Norwegian company called Vizrt ( Visualization in Real Time ), based in Bergen, Norway that provides the advanced grapics. Some never seen on television before. The same company also did the "hologram" of reporter Jessica Yellini from her location in Chicago to the CNN studio in New York during the last ellection. So might be some interesting visuals to look forward to during the coverage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vizrt

A cuple of pictures here:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...ha-grafikk-fra-Bergen-7037646.html

[Edited 2012-11-06 12:10:44]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12472 posts, RR: 37
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1258 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 16):
As much as I prefer Obama, I regard Romney as a competent man who has shown his qualities both as businessman and as Governor of Massachusetts

Yes, a businessman ... but he's not running a business; he's running a society. Now, the thing that gets me is that the first thing he wants to do (this man with personal worth of $250m) is to remove healthcare from tens (hundreds?) of thousands who can't currently afford it. Yet, of course, as a Republican, he's willing to pour billions more into defence.

This to me shows the character and humanity of the man and the administration he will lead.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
Biggest difference between him and Tea Party? Romney will spend his time taking care of the very wealthy, ripping the legs off of programs like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid - all with a result of moving trillions over to the financial sector.

I agree totally. I'm currently reading "The Price of Inequality" by Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel prize winning economist and there are some frightening figures; I think that it's naive to expect Romney to do anything other than accentuate and worsen this divide in American society.

And as for foreign policy, it just doesn't bear thinking about.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
Most Japanese I know tend to view Obama (rightly, in my opinion) as something of an empty suit
Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
Here the election has been covered extensively throughout the year, even though we had our own elections going on. Since a few weeks all major channels have something to say about the election every day, and since last week many documentaries about the US (about Chicago, the auto industry, the poor, the men who made the US, etc.) air on prime time.

What I find so interesting is how a nation of 300m people go through this tortured process to find one candidate to become leader, and how flawed the eventual candidates are. Romney is indeed a empty suit, wooden and devoid of character and the transparent candidate of the 1%ers. Obama showed time and time how he can be sandbagged by things like the debt limit debate and nearly dug his own grave by not showing up for the first debate. Al Gore had no charisma, which in turn means no way to rally the troops, and John Kerry wasn't much better.

Chances are good that the GOP will be waking up tomorrow and saying to themselves "how could we have possibly lost this election given the terrible economy?" and the real answer will be to look in the mirror. They put forth the empty suit candidate that only the 1%ers and 1%er-wannabees wanted to have.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 25):
What I find really odd in all this... suppose Mitt Romney wins there will be no champagne for him and his family as they don't drink any alcoholic beverages.

If things go to form, it'll be a Bud Light and a Marlboro for Mr. Obama!  



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

What is crazy is the amount of money that has been put into the ellection campaigns for these two to move just a small amount of voters to one side or the other. I beleave I heard the number to be 15 billion NOK !!!

[Edited 2012-11-06 12:23:33]

User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2072 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1251 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
We've had four years of Obama. What exactly do you think he's holding back on that he hasn't said outright?

Most people outside the very rich haven't had any effects from healthcare, from massive deficits, summary executions with drones, increasing bifurcation of American society, failure to get a budget passed, bloating of the government ; why should we take into account what his actual policies are if they don't affect us, when he is so charismatic and for all intents and purposes has been quite a reasonable statesmen for the US along with Clinton.

We can't blame Obama for low growth when most of the world's economy isn't performing particularly well.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 21):
As opposed to W's crap? A totally unnecessary 10 year war draining trillions from our long term financial position, 40+ thousand Purple Hearts for the unnecessary KIAs and the unnecessary WIA?

This is exactly what I mean, Dubya brought his incompetence and shone it down upon the rest of the world and was readily despised. We, at least in Australia -can't talk about Pakistan, only see the good things Obama has done.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 30):
to move just a small amount of voters to one side or the other.

Campaign finances are used not only to influence independent and undecided voters, but also to shore up support and turnout at the election for each party's core groups. If you look at the election results over a period of decades, core support does shift around the country.

http://www.100bestwebsites.org/alt/evmaps/electoral-maps.htm

It took nearly 100 years for the South to move from predominantly a Democratic block to Republican. But even as it became a Republican stronghold, the South pretty much voted en masse for Jimmy Carter in '76. Look at how even Texas has moved over time!



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User currently offlineVenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 23):

Being deployed many times along side French troops there is a reason we don't share information with you. One incident was during Southern Watch we did the mass brief and as soon as it was over the information went straight to Baghdad and we traced it to the French Air Force at the same base as us.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

A dash on the extreme side, but great reasoning there, Doc  

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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2873 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1226 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Don't know who he is.... Give me a break

With ALL the endless media coverage of the US elections, we see Romney on our TV screens more, than are own politicians !!

And I bet my last dollar, it would be the same in ALL the countries mentioned.

Quoting Ferminios (Reply 18):
Then you highly underestimate how extensively the US elections are covered outside of your country. Seriously, if you just follow the news a little bit you know who Romney is. Your argument therefore does not make sense.

My sentiments exactly  Wow!  Wow!  Wow!
Quoting Mortyman (Reply 27):
There is basically wall to wall coverage of the ellection here in Norway from all angles.

And here in OZ too, nauseating so.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26994 posts, RR: 57
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

There is an alternative  

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A MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN

To the citizens of the United States of America from Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

In light of your failure in recent years to nominate competent candidates for President of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your independence, effective immediately. (You should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)

Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical duties over all states, commonwealths, and territories (except North Dakota, which she does not fancy).

Your new Prime Minister, David Cameron, will appoint a Governor for America without the need for further elections.

Congress and the Senate will be disbanded. A questionnaire may be circulated next year to determine whether any of you noticed.

To aid in the transition to a British Crown dependency, the following rules are introduced with immediate effect:

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1. The letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,' 'favour,' 'labour' and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell 'doughnut' without skipping half the letters, and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced by the suffix '-ise.' Generally, you will be expected to raise your vocabulary to acceptable levels. (look up 'vocabulary').

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2. Using the same twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises such as ''like' and 'you know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of communication. There is no such thing as U.S. English. We will let Microsoft know on your behalf. The Microsoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into account the reinstated letter 'u'' and the elimination of '-ize.'

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3. July 4th will no longer be celebrated as a holiday.

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4. You will learn to resolve personal issues without using guns, lawyers, or therapists. The fact that you need so many lawyers and therapists shows that you're not quite ready to be independent. Guns should only be used for shooting grouse. If you can't sort things out without suing someone or speaking to a therapist, then you're not ready to shoot grouse.

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5. Therefore, you will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything more dangerous than a vegetable peeler. Although a permit will be required if you wish to carry a vegetable peeler in public.

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6. All intersections will be replaced with roundabouts, and you will start driving on the left side with immediate effect. At the same time, you will go metric with immediate effect and without the benefit of conversion tables. Both roundabouts and metrication will help you understand the British sense of humour.

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7. The former USA will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have been calling gasoline) of roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.

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8. You will learn to make real chips. Those things you call French fries are not real chips, and those things you insist on calling potato chips are properly called crisps. Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal fat, and dressed not with catsup but with vinegar.

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9. The cold, tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not actually beer at all. Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to as beer, and European brews of known and accepted provenance will be referred to as Lager. South African beer is also acceptable, as they are pound for pound the greatest sporting nation on earth and it can only be due to the beer. They are also part of the British Commonwealth - see what it did for them. American brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine, so that all can be sold without risk of further confusion.

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10. Hollywood will be required occasionally to cast English actors as good guys. Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to play English characters. Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English dialect in Four Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears removed with a cheese grater.

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11. You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play rugby (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies).

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12. Further, you will stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to host an event called the World Series for a game which is not played outside of America. Since only 2.1% of you are aware there is a world beyond your borders, your error is understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will let you face the South Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.

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13.. You must tell us who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.

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14. An internal revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her Majesty's Government will be with you shortly to ensure the acquisition of all monies due (backdated to 1776).

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15. Daily Tea Time begins promptly at 4 p.m. with proper cups, with saucers, and never mugs, with high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus strawberries (with cream) when in season.

God Save the Queen!


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2081 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1230 times:

At least in Australia I suspect that the sentiment against Romney would be less but for the company he keeps. Even our more right wing media reports on Republican candidates with (to the majority of us I'm think I'm safe in saying) wacko ideas about rape. Emboldened by US tea party politics (and encouraged by Murdoch owned/influenced press), the Australia far right is becoming noisier, but from what I read many of our conservative party politicians (the "Liberals"  ) would be considered a bit lefty for the US. And I don't think George W Bush did much good for the image of US politics abroad.

The US people will elect whoever the US people elect, that is their right and duty. I just hope that whoever is re-elected will respect the rights of other people across the world to disagree with their policies (in a peaceful way, of course).



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2089 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

Ach, nonsense. Everybody here knows Mitt Romney. Nobody here likes Mitt Romney. That's just the way it is. We'll survive if he is elected. We survived Bush as well. Doesn't mean we have to like him.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.

Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

Okay, so how does that work in practice? The BBC polls us, shall we say "sorry, you'll get no opinion from me because we have to put up or shut up"? Shall some of us claim to prefer Romney over Obama just to keep the balance straight? What is your practical suggestion?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
If you feel that strongly about it,

Who said that we feel "strongly about it"? I don't like my own government, but I don't really feel strongly about that one, either. I'll vote against them next year and do a bit here and there to counter their policies and ideals, but that's it.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

My, my... so we can be either with you or against you?   



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6658 posts, RR: 11
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1219 times:

Quoting Venus6971 (Reply 33):
Being deployed many times along side French troops there is a reason we don't share information with you.

Oh I'm sure there we good reasons on both sides. But for a country 6 times poorer than the US and that spends less relatively in arms, there was a good reason for us to spend billions on satellites (well, part of it might be that we have a launching pad and make rockets and sats).



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1205 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Thread starter):
As the world watches the results come in on America's Election Day, it's interesting to look at how the world views the race

Why is it interesting? To see just how ignorant people outside the U.S. are about the U.S.?

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 24):
I would go as far to say that people from other modern democracies probably know more about our candidates and issues than the average American.

And you would be woefully, woefully wrong. As a European living in the U.S., I can tell you people from outside the U.S. know about the U.S. what they see on their media, and being the U.S. editor of a European newspaper is the easiest job in the world - all you have to do is seat in front of a computer the whole day, read the Associated Press and the Huffington Post (i.e., "news" already with a massive dose of liberal filter), hand-pick the ones you can spin to make all Americans look like ignorant hicks (not a difficult job, given the sources) and take it from there. I have stopped reading the on-line versions of Portuguese newspapers because their U.S. coverage made me want to barf.

Plus, people in most other democracies have no understanding whatsoever of what individual responsibility or limited government is - to be frank, they are mostly still a couple of generations removed from being dragged out from their villages because some king wanted a new hunting ground, or something of the sort, so they feel grateful just when that doesn't happen, no matter how otherwise over-bearing the government is. Europeans don't understand that the U.S. is composed of people who left Europe precisely because they did not want that to happen to them, so they cannot possibly understand why roughly half of the people in the U.S. would choose another way.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
being the U.S. editor of a European newspaper is the easiest job in the world - all you have to do is seat in front of a computer the whole day, read the Associated Press and the Huffington Post (i.e., "news" already with a massive dose of liberal filter), hand-pick the ones you can spin to make all Americans look like ignorant hicks (not a difficult job, given the sources) and take it from there.

How interesting, I shall have to discuss this with an acquaintance of mine who has just started work as one such US editor of a European newspaper. Her world view is, however, a little bit broader than yours and her thinking is not limited to "My side good, other side baaad!" so I'll have to tread carefully unless I want to offend her... should be interesting.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
Plus, people in most other democracies have no understanding whatsoever of what individual responsibility or limited government is

Always one for the sweeping generalisations, aren't you?   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 42):
Always one for the sweeping generalisations, aren't you?

That strategy is supposed to convey certitude, but in reality it just conveys close-mindedness.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26994 posts, RR: 57
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 42):
Always one for the sweeping generalisations, aren't you?   

You only just noticed     Many of us have known for a long time now lol..


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1190 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 44):
You only just noticed

not really   

Anyway, I'm glad that Romney didn't win - it would have been much easier to portray him as an adversary (or demon, or whatever an anti-American demagogue tries to convey) than it is to paint Obama as one.



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 42):

How interesting, I shall have to discuss this with an acquaintance of mine who has just started work as one such US editor of a European newspaper. Her world view is, however, a little bit broader than yours and her thinking is not limited to "My side good, other side baaad!" so I'll have to tread carefully unless I want to offend her... should be interesting.

If I scroll down to the U.S. section of the website of a "reputable" Portuguese newspaper I can guarantee you that at least 50% of the time it will be something that is not on the front webpage of the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times - a litmus test on whether something is actually newsworthy or not. A lot of the time it will be some news of some guy doing something stupid, like shooting his own foot (yes, a lot of stupid things happen in the U.S., 320 million people live there, that doesn't make it newsworthy). I have actually seen instances where they only article about the U.S. that day was called "South Carolina executes man who claimed he was innocent" (don't they all?). When Romney made that joke about his wife's plane, they had an absolute field day about it (citing as a source... Rachel Madcow), posting every meme under the sun and even making comments like "demonstrated how little he knows about aviation" (note Romney has probably owned more planes than the journalist has cars) - the following day one newspaper, to its credit, did publish a tiny retraction saying basically "oh, oops, turns out it was just a joke", the other never bothered.

So yes, Europeans are extremely ignorant about the U.S., and I can tell every time I speak with them about it. That is not their fault totally, though - many Americans (especially the ones living by the coasts and who think they are the intellectual class) are completely ignorant about their own country as well, and those are the opinion-makers to the outside.

Quoting aloges (Reply 42):
Always one for the sweeping generalisations, aren't you?

I come from a country that is essentially bankrupt because of lack of a concept of personal responsibility and living off of your money. I am personally grateful for that unwarranted generosity (the only war we ever had with Germany we actually started it ourselves, so unlike much of Europe we can't even use that for emotional guilt), but if you ask the average person on the street in Lisbon or other parts of the country you will conclude that many / most actually criticize Germany and Merkel and blame HER for the situation we are in, despite all the money you gave away during decades to build empty highways. They actually believe Germany is somehow raking in the cash by providing us loans of doubtful repayment ability at way, way below market rate, and the only thing you are asking in return is for us to start living within our means.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
If I scroll down to the U.S. section of the website of a "reputable" Portuguese newspaper

Which one would that be? It seems as though you need to find a different newspaper... in any case, online content often differs from print content.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
the front webpage of the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times - a litmus test on whether something is actually newsworthy or not

Are you serious?

[Edited 2012-11-07 06:03:00]


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26994 posts, RR: 57
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1191 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 45):
Anyway, I'm glad that Romney didn't win -

I'm glad too . Obama has been a good leader in difficult times and I hope he can work over the next 4 years to improve things for the people who really need help. Its nice to know corporate greed and greedy self centred people will not rule the country. Now Obama is not immune to these issues but he is by far the lesser of the two evils.

Sadly we have seen during this election and indeed posts on this very forum the ones who think its all about them. People who don't give a damn about the poor and needy and the right to health care etc... lets hope their voices are minimal and that compassion for their fellow less well off citizens prevails.


User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll!

Of course it is. First law of conducting a poll: frame the question to get the result you want.  
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is.

Maybe, but after wall-to-wall of never-ending US elections (for eighteen months: what other country takes that long?) the inane and ridiculous comments reported in the media have tended to influence the poll.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.

Put up? In what way?

The US is on our televisions every single day as US leaders issue one pronouncement or another, whether it be Burma, Iran, Israel, the need to solve the Euro crisis. Indeed, in many reports it appears that the "world" is the US as whatever Obama or Clinton sprout is passed off as "world opinion". But if you are going to lecture the world on "moral behaviour", "ethical values", "democracy", "standards" and "god" knows what else, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect the world to offer some opinions of its own.

It may be that the US is actually right in many of its opinions, but at least allow others to comment on what affects them. The US does have large interests in many parts of the world, be they economic or military, and decisions made in the US can and do affect other countries. Breaking off diplomatic relations won't change that in any way and would be counter-productive. It is far better to engage for mutual benefit.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1184 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 9):
Talk about a skewed poll! First of all, the vast majority of people outside the US do no know who Romney is. That's why you don't get more than 20%.

You're kidding right? Do you know how much coverage of the election there has been here? Mitt's visit to the UK before the Olympics was enough to convince most Brits that he's a extreme right-wing, religious nut-job wanker.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
Why is it interesting? To see just how ignorant people outside the U.S. are about the U.S.?

Ah, that explains everything.   



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1261 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 41):
Why is it interesting? To see just how ignorant people outside the U.S. are about the U.S.?

Most Europeans seem to have a lot more clear view about US actions in the world than average American has through all the propaganda your media is full of. Dislike towards Romney proves it, I am sure that most of the people who supported Romney wouldn't support him if they had grown up in environment free from nationalist & religious propaganda just like we Europeans have done.



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 51):
most of the people who supported Romney wouldn't support him if they had grown up in environment free from nationalist & religious propaganda just like we Europeans have done.

Holy cow... why the generalisation? There are enormous amounts of nationalism and religious propaganda in Europe! Take a look at Poland (a more Catholic country you will hardly find) or Hungary to see what I mean... or the "True Finns", for all I know.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
We've had four years of Obama. What exactly do you think he's holding back on that he hasn't said outright?

Its not about saying something, its about the ability to Do something. Obama´s first 4 years were just sweeping up the mess inherited by a Republican failure. He came into office in chains, in the middle of the crisis largely created by his predecessor. I cannot understand why someone can vote for a Republican just four years after the GWB desaster era, and on top for a Richie Rich who doesnt know how 95% of the people live (and doesnt care anyway) and who ist just a symbol for the motto "the Rich get richer, the Poor poorer". Worse enough that this bad trend didnt even stop under Obama!


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1261 posts, RR: 3
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 52):
Holy cow... why the generalisation? There are enormous amounts of nationalism and religious propaganda in Europe! Take a look at Poland (a more Catholic country you will hardly find) or Hungary to see what I mean... or the "True Finns", for all I know.

True Finns are mostly speaking the truth other than few of them that are too right wing for my taste, but majority of them seem to be talking way les BS than rest of the politicians in this country. This country just like most of the Europe does have some problems with its immigration policies, and all True Finns seek is fixing them, they are not any kind of far right wing racist party like European media tries to make them look. Besides, "True Finns" itself is bad translation and may give them bad look, more correct translation would be "Basic Finns" or something.

At least they have left wing economic policies while they are critical towards mass immigration of refugees and so called "positive racism" towards Finnish speaking majority from small wealthy mostly Swedish speaking elite, I pretty much agree with them about most of the things.



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined Oct 2010, 939 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 54):
they are critical towards mass immigration of refugees

"Mass immigration of refugees" in Finland? Are you kidding?

Glad to see Obama is back. I think in the rather homogeneous Finland and in Europe generally we tend to forgot how large and diverse nation US is, we saw it again in this election. And it's interesting how politics and religion are often mixed in US, compairing to the secularized Northern-Europe.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10736 posts, RR: 9
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 36):

Very nice!


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 57, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 47):
Which one would that be? It seems as though you need to find a different newspaper...

Either Diario de Noticias or Publico, which are actually not generally totally horrible newspapers, at least compared to the crap that passes off as news in much of the world (like Bild or Der Spiegel). But that doesn't mean they are any less ignorant about the U.S. than everybody else.

Quoting aloges (Reply 47):
Are you serious?

Would at least have prevented them from making asses of themselves regarding Romney's plane joke.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 48):
the right to health care

Easy - there is none.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.


If you are going to live in the safety of the umbrella of security the U.S provides to you, which allows you not to invest in your own defense, only to feel the luxury to criticize it at every possible instance, the least you could do is help pay for it.

Quoting aloges (Reply 45):
Anyway, I'm glad that Romney didn't win - it would have been much easier to portray him as an adversary (or demon, or whatever an anti-American demagogue tries to convey) than it is to paint Obama as one.

So - you are saying that European newspapers transmitting a skewed vision of the U.S. is a figment of my imagination but there are out there anti-U.S. demagogues who paint Romney as the anti-Christ who must be appeased. Which one is it?

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 49):
But if you are going to lecture the world on "moral behaviour", "ethical values", "democracy", "standards" and "god" knows what else, then it is perfectly reasonable to expect the world to offer some opinions of its own.

What lessons on moral behavior? I know it would surprise you to know that you are not the center of the world, but most Americans don't care about you anywhere nearly as much as you seem to care, nor should they.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 51):
Dislike towards Romney proves it, I am sure that most of the people who supported Romney wouldn't support him if they had grown up in environment free from nationalist & religious propaganda just like we Europeans have done.

Most people who grew up in a place where individual responsibility is not valued would not, no, unless they happened to be the ones smart enough to get out as soon as possible.

And as regards to "lack of nationalist propaganda" I can tell you that, as a Portuguese citizen, I stand a much better chance of having a successful career in New York, where people truly don't give a crap about where you came from just as long as you manage to do your job well, than I would in London, Paris or Frankfurt, where I would always be viewed with suspicion and discriminated against for not being British, French or German.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 54):
True Finns are mostly speaking the truth other than few of them that are too right wing for my taste, but majority of them seem to be talking way les BS than rest of the politicians in this country. This country just like most of the Europe does have some problems with its immigration policies, and all True Finns seek is fixing them, they are not any kind of far right wing racist party like European media tries to make them look. Besides, "True Finns" itself is bad translation and may give them bad look, more correct translation would be "Basic Finns" or something.

At least they have left wing economic policies while they are critical towards mass immigration of refugees and so called "positive racism" towards Finnish speaking majority from small wealthy mostly Swedish speaking elite, I pretty much agree with them about most of the things.

That is nothing new - the European far right has always been just as ignorant about economic issues as the European far left, as you can see it every time Marine Le Pen opens her mouth. Why do you think the word "Socialist" came up right after "National" in the party name?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 58, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1146 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
the crap that passes off as news in much of the world (like Bild or Der Spiegel).

   When did "BILD" ever, and I mean ever during its entire existence, pass off as news?! It is known as the worst of the German tabloids by everyone with so much as a shred of knowledge of the German media. As a matter of fact, your posts remind me quite strongly of its style.

As for Der Spiegel, that mighty magazine has fallen... and deeply.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
you are saying that European newspapers transmitting a skewed vision of the U.S. is a figment of my imagination

Where am I saying that?

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
but there are out there anti-U.S. demagogues who paint Romney as the anti-Christ who must be appeased.

Ah yes, drone strikes are of course appeasement... how could I forget?   

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
Which one is it?

Neither, you're simply putting words in my mouth.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 59, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
I know it would surprise you to know that you are not the center of the world

Gosh, what a stunning revelation! I wondered why the President hadn't phoned me recently.    The world is made up of how many countries?

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
most Americans don't care about you anywhere nearly as much as you seem to care, nor should they.

What most Americans think isn't the issue. What "most people" think is often different to what governments think. In international relations much discussion takes place at government to government level, usually through diplomatic channels, sometimes informally but often using the media.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
as you can see it every time Marine Le Pen opens her mouth. Why do you think the word "Socialist" came up right after "National" in the party name?

Isn't the party name Front National? Front national pour l'unité française in full, if I am not mistaken. Which of those words is "Socialist"?


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 60, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 59):
Isn't the party name Front National? Front national pour l'unité française in full, if I am not mistaken. Which of those words is "Socialist"?

I was referring to another famous (historic) European party of fascist tendencies that had the words "National" and "Socialist" in it. The economic policies were similar, though.



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):

I wish the rest of the world would put up or shut up.

Seriously. If you feel that strongly about it, then threaten to cancel diplomatic and trade relations with the US based on the outcome.

The US may be the single largest economic superpower, but the rest of the world can also live without us. We, on the other hand, cannot live without the rest of the world.

If you're not willing to put that kind of skin in the game, then sit back and watch.

First, most non-Americans would probably much prefer to live in a world where the US administration did not impact our lives. Unfortunately, that is not the world we live in; Starting large bloody wars in other peoples' countries, interfering with our elected governments, threatening trade wars, blocking cooperation on climate change, etc come to mind. Hence, we cannot ignore the outcome of such election and will have an opinion (thought American's valued individual opinions).

Second, people were ASKED by the BBC who their preferred candidate was.

Third, to take umbrage at non-American's having a strong opinion when asked, given this context, seems insular. Americans have shown time and again that foreign policy is not an election issue, so someone else has to worry about it: those on the receiving end of it...

[Edited 2012-11-08 00:49:15]


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1261 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1133 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
And as regards to "lack of nationalist propaganda" I can tell you that, as a Portuguese citizen, I stand a much better chance of having a successful career in New York, where people truly don't give a crap about where you came from just as long as you manage to do your job well, than I would in London, Paris or Frankfurt, where I would always be viewed with suspicion and discriminated against for not being British, French or German.

Yeah sure, but that's just natural. The US has been formed through immigration from many countries so it's just natural that in liberal areas such as New York people are not suspicious towards you, not so sure what would happen in some place full of conservative Romney supporters.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 57):
That is nothing new - the European far right has always been just as ignorant about economic issues as the European far left, as you can see it every time Marine Le Pen opens her mouth. Why do you think the word "Socialist" came up right after "National" in the party name?

Yea whatever, honestly I don't even care so much about how world economics go. Probably the best thing that could happen to this world would be total collapse of worldwide economics system, but unfortunately that isn't likely going to happen soon.



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User currently offlineoffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 46):
I come from a country that is essentially bankrupt because of lack of a concept of personal responsibility and living off of your money. I am personally grateful for that unwarranted generosity (the only war we ever had with Germany we actually started it ourselves, so unlike much of Europe we can't even use that for emotional guilt), but if you ask the average person on the street in Lisbon or other parts of the country you will conclude that many / most actually criticize Germany and Merkel and blame HER for the situation we are in, despite all the money you gave away during decades to build empty highways. They actually believe Germany is somehow raking in the cash by providing us loans of doubtful repayment ability at way, way below market rate, and the only thing you are asking in return is for us to start living within our means.

Ever considered considered starting the Partido Pyrex?? I think your country needs you!

Back to topic, this really is the most pointless poll I have ever seen. I was watching some coverage on BBC and at one stage all they interviewed were Obama supporters... wouldn't be the first time they've been accused of lefty bias!



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4022 posts, RR: 28
Reply 64, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 62):
Yeah sure, but that's just natural. The US has been formed through immigration from many countries so it's just natural that in liberal areas such as New York people are not suspicious towards you, not so sure what would happen in some place full of conservative Romney supporters.

Actually, by experience most areas outside NYC are a lot more welcoming than is NYC - that place is full of close-minded bigots.

Quoting offloaded (Reply 63):

Ever considered considered starting the Partido Pyrex?? I think your country needs you!

Nah... my view on politics is, actually wanting to take on a political role should automatically disqualify from ever being allowed to do it. It is kind of like the story about the guy who volunteers to take the boy scouts into the woods.



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