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Spain´s Supreme Tribunal Ratifies Gay Marriage  
User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6351 posts, RR: 31
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
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A few minutes ago The Supreme Tribunal in Spain ratified the figure of "matrimony" for gay couples. This law had been passed in 2005 by the Socialists but the current President, Rajoy, had tried to get the highest court to derogate it. About 22,000 couples had married since then.

I think it´s a great victory for equality of rights (no matter your orientation) and a message to extreme right groups in right wing parties that times are moving forward. Congratulations to Spain

http://politica.elpais.com/politica/.../actualidad/1352222651_734714.html

Sorry, in Spanish only. Will probably pop up soon in English.

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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Good thing ! What is the situation for abortion rights ? I know it moved forward under Zapatero.

Here the law for "marriage for all" is under legislative review right now, with the right-wing opposition screaming murder (when it is very well known that most moderates are really in favor of it) and now claiming that if they get back in power they'll scrap the law. As if it was easy to do when that would mean ripping families apart (adoption is part of the law).

They also want a special right allowing mayors not to celebrate these unions (mayors being the only ones that can do it, unless there are special circumstances).



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Great stuff, especially for a country with 70% Catholics (and 25% having no religious affiliation)!
  

David



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 2):
Great stuff, especially for a country with 70% Catholics (and 25% having no religious affiliation)!

Is it that high? A lot of the Spaniards I know (and admittedly I know a skewed sample) say that they've asked the Church to strike them from its rolls (or whatever it's called) but that the Church hasn't been doing it.

Anyway, I get the sense that most Spanish Catholics are mostly Catholic on Easter and Christmas.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Is it that high?

Hmm, at least according to a quick glimpse of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Spain . Anyway, it says that the Church hasn't much authority left.  


David



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 4):
Anyway, it says that the Church hasn't much authority left.  

One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

Congrats to Spain!



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19927 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

You won't. There are too many old men stuck in their ways in the hierarchy of the Church. After all, they won't ordain women and women's rights is a far older cause than gay rights.

The heierarchy is meant to move slowly and conservatively. That's why you will never see a young pope. It's just the nature of the Church. It is not a progressive, quickly-evolving religion.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
The heierarchy is meant to move slowly and conservatively. That's why you will never see a young pope.

That's what I wish for the Catholic church - that they elect a 14 years old pope. At 24, he will surely ask himself what he can change in the world, and where his conscience really lies. I'm sure he won't waste the remaining 65 years of his life, feeling like the guardian of his own luxury prison.

They elected Ratzinger in 2005, as an already 78 years old pope. Being quite liberal as a young theologician, he came to be a conservative and loyal priest in his later years.

You won't see much change with him at the helm.


David



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Many say an old guy was elected because there was no clear winner amongst younger guys, so that left the rest a few more years to find a better candidate.

Officially God chose him of course.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
Anyway, I get the sense that most Spanish Catholics are mostly Catholic on Easter and Christmas.

Religion in Europe is different from religion in the USA. When someone is catholic, it usually means not more than they have an imaginary friend. No one is actually taking the bible seriously, would go as far as denying evolution etc. Obviously most of Europe's social mores derive directly from its religious past but religion in 2012 does not really exist as an organized cult anymore. It's more ''private relationships with a higher power'', if you will.

Still, Spain is a fairly conservative country. Conservative for European standards.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
Good thing ! What is the situation for abortion rights ? I know it moved forward under Zapatero.

I was under the impression that Spain had the most liberal abortion laws in Europe, allowing abortions up to the 5th month of pregnancy. Most other European countries draw the line at the 3rd.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
One of the things I want to see in my lifetime is the Catholic Church embracing gay marriage...

One step at a time. As of now, they dismiss the idea of condoms even.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
I know it moved forward under Zapatero

You think this is a good thing?

Quoting something (Reply 9):
Conservative for European standards.

I wouldn't agree with that. Spain is pretty liberal on loads of things.


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1861 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting AR385 (Thread starter):
A few minutes ago The Supreme Tribunal in Spain ratified the figure of "matrimony" for gay couples.

Homosexual civil unions were never in question, what the Supreme Court ratified is that it can be defined as "marriage" just like the usual man-woman unions.

They were in favour of calling them something like civil unions rather than marriage.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
Here the law for "marriage for all" is under legislative review right now, with the right-wing opposition screaming murder (when it is very well known that most moderates are really in favor of it) and now claiming that if they get back in power they'll scrap the law. As if it was easy to do when that would mean ripping families apart (adoption is part of the law).

Here they did not even wait for that, as soon as the law was passed, they contested it in court.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6723 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 10):
You think this is a good thing?

Yes.

I just checked and the law is basically the same we have had in France since the 70's. 14 weeks (12 + 2) for an elective abortion, after that it's only allowed for health reasons. Before that abortion were already practiced in Spain but with an extreme degree of hypocrisy, since it was allowed for the well being of the mother, so a woman had to pretend having the child would harm her mentally.

Quoting JJJ (Reply 11):
Here they did not even wait for that, as soon as the law was passed, they contested it in court.

It may happen here too (the law just passed government approval today) but I'm sure its proponents will be very careful about making the law constitutional, so the constitutional court will probably let it pass after a few days at most.



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