I am just shocked that there are problems with this voting machines. I mean seriously... there aren't many options to choose from, why are the machines stuffing up. It's so ridiculous I can't even fathom it. How many options are there, 8? My word... someone needs to lose their job.
Secondly, I know that in the US the states have lots of power, but here in Australia, elections are run by the Federal government agency the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission), and despite it being the law that every citizen must vote, it's always a smooth process and doesn't take long at all to vote. No breaking down of machines and consistency in every state. No ridiculous voter ID laws? We also have state and local council election that seem to work despite having a the AEC. I definetely think the US needs a federally run electoral agency, especially for presidential elections!
Thirdly, I get why back in the 1800s why Tuesday was chosen as the day for voting, but why not change it to Saturday. That way more people can vote? Sersiously... ridiculous again.
I like Obama, and he talks about change a lot, perhaps he should start with how elections are run.
Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4768 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
Well there are many choices since you vote for the president but also the representative, sometimes the senator, the prosecutor, the sheriff, etc. Actually I think that alone is a problem, I'm sure it discourages and confuses many people.
BTW, is it possible to just chose the president and skip the rest ?
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GrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2511 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
I agree. For a modern and rich country like the US, it gives a bad impression. Especially when all eyes of the world are watching.
In France we still use the good old ballot paper. An old-fashioned but good way to avoid problems. I would always have a small doubt when voting via an electronic device. But that's my paranoia talking.
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): Thirdly, I get why back in the 1800s why Tuesday was chosen as the day for voting, but why not change it to Saturday. That way more people can vote? Sersiously... ridiculous again.
American people can vote in advance. But I agree that voting on a weekday is not relevant anymore. Saturday would indeed be a good pick.
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Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2602 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1122 times:
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4): In France we still use the good old ballot paper. An old-fashioned but good way to avoid problems. I would always have a small doubt when voting via an electronic device. But that's my paranoia talking.
Read up on what happened in 2000 in Florida. They had paper ballots.
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Stratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1010 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1125 times:
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4): In France we still use the good old ballot paper. An old-fashioned but good way to avoid problems. I would always have a small doubt when voting via an electronic device.
Same thing here.
What's even more troubling is that voter turnout is always a factor and always in the same one direction. Also, it is more than troubling that IF voter turnout was to other "western standards" many simply couldn't vote.
Polls show that Americans don't want a large government that gets involved.
I wonder if Americans really care about an organized and capable election process that one way or the other would have to have been organized by "the government"? I think that's the main problem.
TheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2346 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): I'm outraged. For the world's most advanced and largest economy I find the ENTIRE presidential election voting process primitive.
You left out, the worlds greatest democracy.
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): but here in Australia, elections are run by the Federal government agency the AEC (Australian Electoral Commission), and despite it being the law that every citizen must vote, it's always a smooth process and doesn't take long at all to vote.
A very good system indeed.
And as you say, I've never had to wait longer than a few minutes in line.
Braniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2602 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8): As far as I remember, Florida used ballot-punching machines. Am I wrong?
I see what you mean now; I thought you were refering to merely the use of electronic machines in general.
Yes, most were manually-operated punching machines. I'm not sure about the efficency of doing it by hand, but it would keep the highest standards.
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tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 4629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1117 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 2): Why is the concept of getting carded at the polling station so hard for people to grasp?
How else do you ensure one person one vote
Because it is not a problem. Vote fraud problems are primarily behind the scenes and not with people individually voting. It is in "mail in ballots" and the count, and ballot box stuffing, vote rigging, "pay for votes", all of which ID at the polls does nothing to address but yet that is where the real problems have been throughout history.
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fr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 4238 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1118 times:
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): Thirdly, I get why back in the 1800s why Tuesday was chosen as the day for voting, but why not change it to Saturday. That way more people can vote? Sersiously... ridiculous again.
The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November is not a Constitutional date. Any senator or representative can sponsor a bill to get it changed. But, nobody does. Oh well. If there were enough of a popular outcry, maybe something would happen. But, if you move to Saturday, don't you disenfranchise Orthodox Jews?
Quoting Aesma (Reply 3): BTW, is it possible to just chose the president and skip the rest ?
Yup, you just mark the presidential part of the ballot. Leave the rest blank.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18803 posts, RR: 64 Reply 13, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1118 times:
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): For the world's most advanced and largest economy I find the ENTIRE presidential election voting process primitive.
I just came back from voting. I stuffed my ballot into the drive-thru box where there were probably three cars ahead of me. All very efficient here in Oregon. I could have mailed my ballot in instead, but didn't decide upon how I was going to vote on a couple of issues until this past weekend.
N.B. In Oregon, we may only vote either by mail or drop box. There are no longer any voting booths/precincts.
IMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6201 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1119 times:
I just finished voting and as I have every election since 1976 I marked boxes on the piece of paper with a pen and dropped it into a box.
And as for the original poster stating voting is mandatory. This is a good thing?
What is it with all the "is there a possibilty airline X will.." threads? The answer it'll is possible.
tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 4629 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1122 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14): N.B. In Oregon, we may only vote either by mail or drop box. There are no longer any voting booths/precincts.
Its funny, because its sounds nice and all but I so very much disagree with the idea of that. I just find it a total anathema to free and fair voting to not have public voting with private booths. It is the simplest way to demonstrate that everyone is voting freely and of their own volition and choices.
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 15): I just finished voting and as I have every election since 1976 I marked boxes on the piece of paper with a pen and dropped it into a box.
To me this is the very best way to do it. Simple and easy.
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L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29349 posts, RR: 62 Reply 16, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1119 times:
Well if I was to change the way elections are ru. In this country.
1. Paper ballots, not electronic, not punch card
2, no early voting......that is what an absentee ballot is for
3. Id required......you need to prove you are eligible to buy a beer in a store, you should need to prove you are eligible to vote. Alaska has a good system. When you register to vote you are sent a registration card which is a valid id for going to the polls. Because of that there is no reason a registered voter should not have an I'd.
4. No open primaries. They are meant for parties to nominate their candidate. I almost would say they should run their own primaries, not the state but I don't trust them for corruption.
5. All primaries on on date. Enough with this rolling total over several months. It disenfranchises voters as totals come In And candidates do good or bad.
6. All candidates are allowed to debate. None of this two candidates when there are really five or six running. This will break up the monopoly of the two part system which was never intended by the founding fathers.
7. Returns can't be released until all polls in the country close. This was very bad earlier but still happens, I am seeing returns now and we still have two and a half hours until ours close...again disenfranchises. Maybe no announcement until 24 hours after the last poll closes
8. Standard poll hours, so everybody in every state has the same opportunity to vote, say 12 hours eight to eight.
9. Seperate primary, elections for president and vice president. Party members should have a say in the choice of their nomine
10, the anchient greeks had a system where they could in a normal election cycle vote out a senator. I propose the same thing. A nationwide vote on which senator and which congressman has made enough of an arse of themselves. Nationwide vote and the one that gets the most no votes cant run for reelection next cycle. It would impose term limits on the most offensive members and stopolitical grandstanding
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
usairways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1118 times:
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): I'm outraged. For the world's most advanced and largest economy I find the ENTIRE presidential election voting process primitive.
I agree, and think it should all be done by popular vote, not electoral.
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): Thirdly, I get why back in the 1800s why Tuesday was chosen as the day for voting, but why not change it to Saturday. That way more people can vote? Sersiously... ridiculous again.
This has been brought up, especially after hearing about the horrendous lines to vote. Some were 6 hours long, absolutely asinine.
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 4): I agree. For a modern and rich country like the US, it gives a bad impression. Especially when all eyes of the world are watching.
Modern yes, however rich...LoL, I guess if you count 16 trillion in debt as rich sure :p With all eyes watching on us, I hope they at least are getting a good laugh, personally I find the whole thing pretty embarrassing.
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qantas077 From China, joined Jan 2004, 5745 posts, RR: 49 Reply 20, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 1): How else do you ensure one person one vote
we have a system which has every eligible voters name recorded and printed at the polling station in your area, you go there, give your name, they mark it off and you get your card and vote.
if you're found to have voted twice it's going to cost you a fair chunk of change..then again why would you bother?
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9): You left out, the worlds greatest democracy.
according to Lord Downer, yes. but it's really representative democracy.
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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 10442 posts, RR: 20 Reply 21, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1122 times:
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): I am just shocked that there are problems with this voting machines. I mean seriously... there aren't many options to choose from, why are the machines stuffing up.
Basically, because voting is done at a municipal level, which means each municipality has their own style of voting machines and their own budget for acquiring and maintaining those machines.
Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter): Thirdly, I get why back in the 1800s why Tuesday was chosen as the day for voting, but why not change it to Saturday. That way more people can vote? Sersiously... ridiculous again.
I like Obama, and he talks about change a lot, perhaps he should start with how elections are run.
As we found out with voter ID, this is a hugely sensitive subject. There should be a bi-partisan effort to improve this situation, but it's filled with political land mines.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 1): Why is the concept of getting carded at the polling station so hard for people to grasp?
Sigh, not again...
Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 3): In France we still use the good old ballot paper.
Actually we do in my municipality too. To me it's the only thing that makes sense. Computer touch screens are an incredibly poor idea. Whomever was in favor obviously was computer illiterate or worse. In my town we make marks on a ballot using black ink, and that paper is then optically scanned. If there's ever an issue, the ballots can be re-scanned. How can you get computers to be re-touched? It's much cheaper too: one scanner per polling location instead of one computer per voting booth.
Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 4): Read up on what happened in 2000 in Florida. They had paper ballots.
Actually they had pre-punched cards, which are indeed paper, but not the same as what France uses.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12): The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November is not a Constitutional date. Any senator or representative can sponsor a bill to get it changed. But, nobody does.
And they can make election day be a mandatory holiday like it used to be in the past, but they chose not to.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 13): I just came back from voting. I stuffed my ballot into the drive-thru box where there were probably three cars ahead of me. All very efficient here in Oregon. I could have mailed my ballot in instead, but didn't decide upon how I was going to vote on a couple of issues until this past weekend.
N.B. In Oregon, we may only vote either by mail or drop box. There are no longer any voting booths/precincts.
That is so sensible. Get the ballots out early enough so that people can read through and make their mind up at their leisure, and vote when they are ready.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 16): no early voting......that is what an absentee ballot is for
I disagree. Voting day should be a deadline, not an event.
par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 5892 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1121 times:
Quoting Aesma (Reply 2): BTW, is it possible to just chose the president and skip the rest ?
Why, the most important thing the American people were voting for was not the President, to the rest of the world it was but to them they were voting for a lot of other things. A good suggesstion is to take a look at a sample of the ballots in a number of counties, municipalities etc. local and state issues dominate the ballots for things such as schools, roads, police and fire departments, bond issues, local politicians and on and on it goes. As the majority of issues were state and local it stands to reason that the local would control the voting process from start to finish, hence teh comment below by another poster.
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12): Not all. Some states have early voting. Some have mail in ballots. Others adhere to a strict 'absentee ballot' rule.
Obama mentioned the delays in his acceptance speech, but the Feds power to change and or mandate a country wide solution is limited by the constitution, the state when the USA was created did not give up all their rights, they actually retained a whole lot.
It would be interesting to see the turnout of voters if the presidential election was held by itself, all bets are off on the turnout.
Birdwatching From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3573 posts, RR: 52 Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1120 times:
Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 9): You left out, the worlds greatest democracy.
The USA is a republic, not a democracy. In a democracy, the leader is determined by who has the highest number of votes, and each vote is worth the same. Both are not true in the USA, so it is not a democracy.
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25 Braniff747SP: Obiously you can, because the wrong one was elected. But in all seriousness, I already clarifed what I meant above---I was reffering to the use of el
26 cmf: Have a look at how turnout is much higher in years with presidential elections. http://www.idea.int/vt/countryview.cfm?CountryCode=US
27 InsideMan: as per equal protection clause (see Gore vs Bush 2000) all votes should count equal, why there is no majority to remove the electoral college system i
28 AeroWesty: All votes do count equally. We don't have national elections in the U.S. My vote counted just as equally here in my local election here in Oregon as
29 bueb0g: Posture all you want but the fact is that for electing the President, your vote means almost nothing unless you're in a swing state. The guys in Ohio
30 eatmybologna: The US of A is a constitutional Republic where it has some similarities to a democracy in that it uses a democratic process to elect representatives
31 AeroWesty: You could give Ohio and Florida to Romney, and he still wouldn't have won. You could even give Virginia to Romney, and he still wouldn't have won. Yo
32 Revelation: And he probably would have won NC too if he did the "politically correct" thing and not speak out in favor of gay marriage, which pissed off all the
33 TheCol: Why do you care? Are you a US citizen? Seriously, my #1 pet peeve is foreigners meddling in the domestic affairs of my country. I can imagine how ann
34 seb146: It's not. What the right does not get is: THERE IS NO VOTER FRAUD AT ALL!!! Also, what the right does not get is: they tried to ram through those law
35 AeroWesty: LOL, perhaps the voting process IS ridiculous in America: http://isnatesilverawitch.com/
36 Birdwatching: Domestic affairs? The elections in the USA are very relevant for the whole world, presidential elections in the US are not really a "domestic affair"
37 eatmybologna: If this is true, why do poll workers go through such a great extent to prevent it from occurring in the first place? The first state adopting a voter
38 tugger: One of my biggest issue with the voter ID laws was that they were brought out too near an important election. While I don't particularly support "vot
39 DocLightning: I have a modest proposal: Death penalty for voter fraud INCLUDING voter intimidation, harassment, or intentionally trying to mislead voters (i.e. tel
40 eatmybologna: Yes, I agree - vote fraud comes in many forms. ID'ing at the polls, combined with a national database from which pollers can cross reference voters w
41 eatmybologna: I'm a registered republican, but do not favor the death penalty. Nor do a majority of my republican, democratic, and independent friends and family.
42 AeroWesty: I really wouldn't go that far, even though it is a felony. The FBI was brought in to investigate a case of voter fraud in the county where I vote: Su
43 TheCommodore: Really ? The US election effects the entire world (unfortunately), and because of that little fact, everyone feels as though they can have a say on t
44 par13del: I think he meant you are paid to work, and when there are elections, your employer is obligated to give you time to go to the polls, so you get a pai
45 scbriml: To go and vote. Ergo, you're paid to vote.
46 TheCol: I was referring to the electoral process in the US. There is really nothing to warrant any special concern from the rest of the free world. It's doub
47 DocLightning: Was it intentional? If so, why not? d Imagine if there were a death penalty; I doubt he would have done it. See, the issue with using the death penal
48 AeroWesty: Punishment is supposed to be appropriate for the crime. You're as far out in Looney Tunes land with this as you were with the Libertarians to win the
49 InsideMan: to disenfranchise people supporting the "wrong" party of their vote, most likely to affect the poor and minorities aka Democrat supporters
50 sebolino: I really wondered about that ... In France, all elections take place a Sunday, that's for a reason. But I suppose religion has something to say in th
51 sebolino: Ouch. One more time ? No, I'm sorry guy, but it's wrong. I don't know why so many Americans believe that. I think it's a real problem. Democracy (inv
52 blueflyer: Setting asides New York and New Jersey for their obvious logistical nightmares, most of the places with the longest lines happen to also be the places
53 sebolino: Well, I think that any child in China might become leader of the communist party. Of course, it's more difficult for some of them, but I think there'
54 ltbewr: There is no doubt we need more reforms and Federal standardization of the elections process in the USA. Some of the suggested reforms have issues and
55 InsideMan: In all western civilizations Sunday is the standard day for elections. Also, police is hardly ever present, as it is not needed. You campaign too muc
56 bjorn14: That would wipe out the New Black Panther Party.
57 DocLightning: Actually, punishment is supposed to prevent the crime. And given that voter fraud is tantamount to sedition, which does carry a death penalty, I'm no
58 AeroWesty: So for the lady who filled in a couple of spots on two ballots here in my county that I linked to above, just for the record, you advocate the death
59 DocLightning: Did she do it on purpose for the express motive of altering the outcome of the election? Do I think she personally should be put to death? No. Becaus
60 AeroWesty: We don't know, the investigation is still ongoing. My question to you is how broad a stroke you're making with your brush, which seems pretty wide. J
61 DocLightning: My brush is wide. Very wide indeed. I have absolutely no use for those who think they know better than democracy. I am pointing out that I do not bel
62 AeroWesty: If voter fraud = sedition, as you claimed, why wouldn't the punishment in Title 18 apply?
63 DocLightning: I'm saying it should. However the present law doesn't allow it. I'm saying it should. Are you suggesting that I should support an ex-post-facto polic
64 TheCommodore: Just for future reference. Elections are held on Saturdays in Australia I think that figure, excludes union monies going into election campaigns, so
65 scbriml: Hmm, because the death penalty has totally stopped murder and rape. Oh wait... So the UK is no longer a civilised country? Our elections are always h
66 Mir: Having IDs doesn't ensure one person one vote. People who want to vote twice can just get a fake ID. There should not be 50 state standards for a fed
67 FrankAMS: Issues with voter ID are something I'll never fully understand. One person, one vote. And if you're registered to vote, there's almost a statistical c
68 garnetpalmetto: And actually there can be even more than that when you get into election equpment. Growing up in South Carolina, there were multiple voting methods u
69 Revelation: Actually not. Lots of urban voters don't drive. Lots of rural voters don't drive. Because if it isn't done correctly, it does hurt people. Data shows
70 blueflyer: But the Dutch, and citizens of many other countries, already have an ID no matter what because it is required of them at 18. I have lived for years i
71 DocLightning: This is very different. Violent crime involves a certain irrational mindset to start with, but: The death penalty does not deter murder because in fi
72 flyingclrs727: Saturday or Sunday elections during football season? You've got to be kidding. Saturday is when college football games are played with the exception
73 flyingclrs727: I really resent the primary season being moved up to early January. They even held the Iowa Caucus during the college bowl season in 2008. Since it i
74 BoeEngr: I know not everyone is for it, but here in Washington State, where voting by mail is mandatory, I love it. When it's time to vote, my wife and I make
75 Revelation: You guys in WA are just too sensible: vote by mail, and now legalized recreational marijuana. Damn, I hate to have to sell my house and move, but peo
76 BoeEngr: Well, for the next vote, we can sit in our living room and vote while we get high... Not sure. I'll do some digging and check the numbers. I would su
77 flyingclrs727: I'm not a fan of voting by mail for able-bodied people inside the borders of their county. It has too much potential for fraud. I can understand why
78 BoeEngr: I actually feel less intimidated by voting at home. And I'm yet to see any indications that there is more voter fraud in states with mail in ballots
79 Revelation: The downside of increased potential for fraud seems to me to be offset by the increased potential for participation. We keep saying we want everyone
80 flyingclrs727: The Texas voter ID law was passed in 2011 with plenty of time for people to get a photo ID. The Texas law is pretty flexible about which government i
81 flyingclrs727: In Texas and other states there is early voting in which voters vote in person. In Texas it lasts 12 days and includes 1 weekend. In other states it
82 flyingclrs727: The laws are set at the state level. The counties have their choice of a few systems approved by the state government. In Texas, all the punch card s
83 Revelation: Not exactly sure where our posts intersect or not. I think you are in general correct, but it is my recollection where I grew up in CT that the budge
84 flyingclrs727: After the 2000 election there was lots of federal money given to state and local governments to allow them to upgrade their systems. In the 1990's Te
85 Revelation: I too prefer the scanned ballots, for the same reason. Thanks for the update!
86 tugger: And this is exactly why I disagree with this type of voting. Quite frankly a "matriarch" or "patriarch" or some domineering person could control how
87 Revelation: Yes, and so there is some select group of people who are influenced if not intimidated by a strong figure who are not strong enough to vote for thems
88 Wolbo: Four days after the election Florida is just about done with counting the votes and has declared Obama the winner. There must be third world countries
89 blueflyer: Really? Which one? Usually, it takes them but 5 minutes to declare the incumbent winner with 98% of the votes...
90 DocLightning: I want to see a news anchor holding a straight face while announcing that Cheetos just got elected Governor of Washington. Anyway, I think there need
91 zippyjet: Do you have a choice in which drive through to vote or is it assigned by where you live? Here in Maryland they've had drive up flu shots, never heard
92 Revelation: Indeed, one thing vote-by-mail fixes. Sounds great to me. Costly. Costly. There are tens of thousands of voting districts in the US, with the need fo
93 MadameConcorde: I have a question regarding the voting process in the U.S. I was told that people don't need to show an official ID to vote in the elections. This app
94 seb146: Yet, in Canada with national elections, it takes one day to count every single vote. Here, they just sample. I honestly don't know if my vote, that w
95 blueflyer: For that to be doable, you'd need one of two things: a) a national ID card (or at least national voter ID card); b) a secure network to verify everyo
96 HAWK21M: Out here The Voting machines work fine & considering the population of Voters....Its the best Alternative.....
97 BoeEngr: She would vote how she wants and I would vote how I want. Simple as that. It's happened before, it'll happen again.
98 Revelation: The US doesn't have an official national ID, and Americans in general do not favor having one, in particular those who do not want the role of the fe
99 zippyjet: But, when you input your social security number or other ID form, your customized ballot would come up. So, if I'm in South Beach on Election day and
100 steffenbn: And how exactly would this be enforced ?
101 TheCommodore: The same way it is in Australia. http://www.aec.gov.au/faqs/voting_australia.htm
102 steffenbn: 20 AUD?? Wow, the state earns quite some dollars when there's some kind of election. According to Wikipedia, about 95 percent of the Aussie's vote, w
103 Revelation: Hmm? Around here million is ten to the sixth power, so you're saying there's 22 times ten to the twelfth power Australians? If so, there'd be a lot m
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