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2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 996 times:

Hi all,

Thought we should have a thread for the results, separate from all the speculation/moaning threads.

A whole slew of states are beginning to report ... right now.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 999 times:

It's looking like NC shouldn't have been abandoned by the campaigns quite so soon.

Especially Romney's



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Mittens just closed the gap in Florida; right while Wolf Blitzer was talking. Obama was ahead by 16,000 or so; then the screen blinked and the lead had narrowed to 1100.

Gots to say, no matter which side you're on, ya gotta enjoy the adrenaline in this election.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 999 times:
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My state went exactly as expected...with all of our three votes  


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Hopefully when I wake up to take a piss at 2AM the election results will be pretty much done  

Big day for me tomorrow, can't stay up and see who wins sadly  

Whoever wins, I hope the country can be united and go in a great direction... yeah I know that'll never happen lol



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 2):

Florida is looking like hanging chad state once again

Ohio though is looking like a blowout .
If Florida Ohio and Nc are indicators along with Va
Obama is the winner



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Argh, I'm trying to match up CNN's declared states to a list of states/electoral votes, and it's not coming up right. (Probably because I'm distracted making dinner.) What I have so far:

Obama
Connecticut - 7
Delaware - 3
District of Columbia - 3
Maine - 4
Maryland - 10
Massachusetts - 11
Michigan - 16
New Jersey - 14
New York - 29
Rhode Island - 4
Vermont - 3

Romney
Alabama - 9
Arkansas - 6
Georgia - 16
Kansas - 6
Kentucky - 8
Louisiana - 8
Mississippi - 6
Nebraska - 5
North Dakota - 3
Oklahoma - 7
South Dakota - 3
South Carolina - 9
Tennessee - 11
Texas - 38
West Virginia - 5
Wyoming - 3



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7233 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Ohio and Florida are going to be absolutely nuts   

All I know for Ohio is one of their votes is for Romney   (mine)



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 2):
Mittens just closed the gap in Florida; right while Wolf Blitzer was talking. Obama was ahead by 16,000 or so; then the screen blinked and the lead had narrowed to 1100.

With hundreds if not thousands still in line to cast their votes.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 5):
Ohio though is looking like a blowout .
If Florida Ohio and Nc are indicators along with Va
Obama is the winner

Until at least 90% of the votes are in, it is difficult to tell who will come out ahead in Ohio, Florida and Virginia. And maybe Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Missouri and Colorado too.

Texan



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

WOW, Pennsylvania goes for Obama. Huge, decisive win, it was supposed to be a swing state.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

These are the called states as of 9:45PM, Eastern Time:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2180/945pmelection2012.png


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
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I find it interesting that with 10% of our precincts reporting, everything is being won by R, except for Senate, who has a D winner.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 9):

Agreed, but I have always felt NC was closer than 5% and it seems that Ohio is not close at all.

Florida being on the edge at this point cannot be comfortable for Romney



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Surprise! Utah goes for Mittens.  


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):

Surprise! Utah goes for Mittens.  

Never would have expected that.   


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

My tv costs too much to replace for me to watch the results.


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4477 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Obama takes New Hampshire!

User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Let me be the first foreigner to participate in this thread.  

As far as I a concerned and only considering speaker values... David Axelrod 2016!!

Sorry couldn't resist.
Enjoy the interesting part of the night ahead!



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):

Romney wins Alaska

I beat CNN on the projection
 



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Very confident Obama will very unfortunately win again. This country was fooled once again. At the same time I know the GOP needs to make some changes in its party platforms.

So what does this election mean?

NOTHING. Republicans have kept the house, it will be status quo unless we can finally get some compromise from both sides. I can't believe this country thinks we are going in the correct direction. Well assuming Obama takes the popular vote which he might not.

Rubio/Christie 2016.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 18):
David Axelrod 2016!!

Eh? Didn't he play Doctor Who?!?   



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4274 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 13):
Agreed, but I have always felt NC was closer than 5% and it seems that Ohio is not close at all.

I'm surprised at the Florida vote right now because, with 85.3% reporting and only 39.9% reporting in Miami-Dade and 84% in Broward, Obama still has the lead. There are only 8 counties left with less than 80% reporting, and Miami-Dade has a greater population than almost all of those combined, from what I can tell. Still going to be too close to call until later, though.

Texan



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Biggest surprise tonight so far for me, is Elizabeth Warren-D defeating incumbent Senator Scott Brown-R in Massachusetts.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4504 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1004 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
OTHING. Republicans have kept the house, it will be status quo unless we can finally get some compromise from both sides

agreed

But I will say this the GOP lost a lot of key voters through the social platform rather than the fiscal platform



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25 AeroWesty : Karl Rove on Fox giving his analysis of why Romney is still alive in Ohio.
26 PHX787 : People are getting real optimistic about Ohio going to romney, but i am not saying anything yet. The only time people ever give a crap about Ohio is d
27 Post contains images AeroWesty : Which coverage are you watching? I just turned back to CNN from Fox. Fox had too many talking heads, while CNN has John King zooming in/out on his bi
28 Post contains images steeler83 : If the general public wants Romney (myself included) but the Electoral College winds up voting for Obama, that should be all the more reason to get r
29 casinterest : It's still too early to call the popular vote The west coast , especially CA , will close this gap The democrats had the same complaint in 2000.
30 usairways787 : Unfortunately for us, we allow ourselves to just be subjected to lies, and become sheep. I did all I could to vote him out, but it isn't in my hands.
31 casinterest : You guys need to abandon Fox News The economy is improving, and things are not as bad as you think
32 PHX787 : Local news via airstream and FOX. CNN via FB and the ReaganCoalition (rightwing website) Also hearing exit polls from various friends posting their v
33 cmf : Four hours after close Miami has about 300 people still waiting to vote. On top of that they have 18,000 absentee ballots to count and that will not b
34 Post contains images Jetsgo : Romney wins NC and ID. Obama wins CA, WA and HI. No word on VA, OH, or FL. So no news really.
35 casinterest : Yeah Nc I think is Romney I tried to push it the other way, but oh well On state races you would maybe be surprised to learn I Correctly selected 3 r
36 AeroWesty : With 11% of the vote counted, Oregon not enough data to call, though Obama leading. I'm really surprised.
37 AeroWesty : CNN just came up with an interesting map. If Obama takes OR, NV and NM, he only needs CO and IA and will have +270, not needing OH, FL or VA to win.
38 Aesma : Well, the few millions that make the election might think things are not going in the correct direction, but that Romney's plan is even worse.
39 steeler83 : Even with Obama, I, as someone with an urban planning background, have failed to land a full-time job. Many fellow younger persons in the 18-34-year-
40 AeroWesty : And there we go, CNN projects Iowa for Obama. And add New Mexico. Obama at 249 electoral votes.[Edited 2012-11-06 20:12:02]
41 2707200X : Who is We, the People of the United States? Those who are white, those who are Republican, those who hate Obama and all he does and all things libera
42 Post contains images kasimir : Bye bye Romney ... New mexico also for obama
43 AirframeAS : It's done. Obama got Ohio.
44 cmf : Fox News just gave up
45 Aloha717200 : MSNBC projecting Obama wins re-election CNN hasn't called it yet.
46 Braniff747SP : CNN just called Obama.
47 Aloha717200 : CNN PROJECTS OBAMA RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT. It's over folks. Four more years!
48 casinterest : But the real problem is a global ecession that has pushed the envelope. Urban planning is a neat degree, but I would not put it as a high demand one
49 Post contains images AeroWesty : CNN just called it for Obama.
50 Jetsgo : Glad to see this country rewards four years of failure with four more years. As Churchill said, “The best argument against democracy is a five minut
51 Post contains images 2707200X : Big night for OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!
52 KaiGywer : Let's hope that he can do something this time around and not just blame Bush. Since he like to blame the prior president, will he blame himself for th
53 AirframeAS : Just so you know, the Dems have been saying the exact same thing in 2000. Both parties agree that the electoral college needs to be scrapped and it i
54 PHX787 : And let 4 more years of stagnation begin. Good thing I don't have to deal with it, as I am moving to Japan in March. If Obama's vision of America is w
55 Dreadnought : Good God, is this "Opposite Day"? "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they
56 Post contains images LostSound : So proud of America for voting Obama back in! May progress and evolution be yours.
57 steeler83 : Mind you, I am a democrat, and so is my wife. We both have had enough. Ok? His programs, in my opinion, are not exactly in this country's best intere
58 texan : So it is Obama's fault you can't land a full time job? I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all. It wasn't Bush's fault that I couldn't find a job when I g
59 flood : Your post is 8 years late.
60 L-188 : I am thinking about that old guy in the cave in the third Indiana jones movie and a couple of Pepsi adds.. America choose.........poorly
61 Jetsgo : So will Bush still be your argument in 2016?
62 Post contains images KPDX : Exactly. I just hope the damn excuses stop, and Obama follows through with his endless promises. No more excuses for him. I wish him luck. I wanna se
63 Braniff747SP : Yeah, because the United States is definitely going towards being a failed Communist state. Please.
64 Ken777 : ABC, CBS & FOX have gone to local news shows. That pretty much says it all for this election. I bounced between CNN/NBC/CNBC all night as this was
65 AeroWesty : 2016 will be interesting. Biden surely won't run for president, and the GOP needs a stronger candidate and campaign to win.
66 Aesma : Happy that Obama won, even if he doesn't seem to have the legislature he needs to really apply his program. Well, the European Union is at 10,6% unemp
67 flymia : Four more years of debt I will have to pay for, a country going downhill unemployment being stuck at 8%, out of control government, and no progress. U
68 2707200X : Your side deserved to loose boo hoo.[Edited 2012-11-06 20:37:32]
69 Post contains images SR117 : And not to mention that Japan has a health insurance mandate, government regulated medical fees and other very pinko-commie traits . A conservative s
70 Darksnowynight : So, didn't get your way and now you want to move? Well, don't let the door hitcha, I guess. But I don't see how you feel that way. America dodged a b
71 Post contains images PHX787 : Yeah I have a feeling we're going to see this happen. If not, it's going to be Romney...somehow. As I say, if Obama considers his ideals to be "true
72 OA412 : Awesome news!!! People have got to get their facts straight on Greece. Greece's problem is not socialism (a rode down which the US is not headed anywa
73 AeroWesty : CNN: Romney will not concede at the moment, he thinks Ohio is still in play.
74 Darksnowynight : You'll really love Japan then. Hope you know how to win lotteries, lol.
75 Post contains images TheCommodore : Congratulations Pres Obama. Good point ! But they don't. Obama won ! Shock horror, how dare they !! He's going to be in for a surprise !!
76 Jetsgo : As much as it pains me, he needs to concede. It's not looking good for him and FL either.
77 Mike89406 : Some of you really need to lighten up and respect others. I understand the pride of Democrats and the frustration of Republicans. If you voted you hav
78 Post contains images PHX787 : I happen to have extreme luck in Japan lets just say i'm the king of Pachinko
79 cws818 : Just like 2004. Just like 2004. I guess not. Ciao.
80 AirframeAS : If you look at the total votes each candidate got, it's still very, very, very, very close. I'm surprised that Ohio decided to just go ahead and cert
81 iFlyLOTs : Exactly. Everyone's had their say, now lets move on and try to make this country better
82 Mike89406 : I also get that it goes both ways some Republican voters can be quite abrasive.
83 Jetsgo : See reply 61. That was eight years ago, twelve before you know it. Time to move on.
84 PHX787 : Precisely. Albeit I will concede, We have not had a good president since the 1988 election.
85 alberchico : What are the chances that Romney might demand a recount of Ohio votes ?
86 AeroWesty : If it's not within the mandated margin of error which triggers an automatic recount, OH could have one of those "you ask for it, you pay for it" laws
87 BMI727 : In my case it's much more direct of a line. He and his party are itching to cut defense spending, and by extension, cut well paying, technically orie
88 something : Congratulations to Mr Obama. To think of all those tears by the Tea Partiers, all of their crys and frustration - all about things that don't even exi
89 cws818 : You say po-tay-to, I say po-tah-to
90 AirframeAS : NBC is now saying that Ohio has not yet certified the election yet per the officials in Ohio. So, if that's true, then why is Obama awarded the Presid
91 casinterest : With the close race , I will say that a few social issues such as immigration, abortion, and birtherism cost the GOP tha election
92 iFlyLOTs : I would say the best since the 50s
93 Post contains links Jetsgo : http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2012/ohio/#.UJnrKob5Nlj Romney leading in OH.... Edit: not anymore it updated.[Edited 2012-11-06 21:07:25]
94 BMI727 : He would be if it weren't for Reagan. Similar to how I automatically know that anyone who says Obama is the worst ever is full of it because the actu
95 AeroWesty : The news media is merely making projections. Do you think California certified its election at 8:00:30pm?
96 Ken777 : May well happen, depending on the voting levels in the Really Red states. I live in Oklahoma, which is as redneck as you can get politically and Obam
97 jakeorion : The economy now is fully his and no one else. Blaming Bush will not cut it anymore. If it stagnates for another 4 years, history will not be kind at a
98 pu : Only if Republicans in the House let this happen. Best case scenario IMO is The Democrats get most of their basic policy ideals in place BUT the Repu
99 PHX787 : Other states pushed Obama over 270
100 alberchico : Apparently Karl Rove is making a fuss over the numbers there.... Wouldn't Nixon take that honor ?
101 AeroWesty : Many economists have made the case for Reagan being a Keynesian.
102 2707200X : To the conservatives who are not crazy ie Donald "Revolution" Trump, it has been tough but I hope Republicans and Democrats can come to a consensus an
103 Aloha717200 : It no longer matters. Say Ohio was to flip red at the last second...and Virginia and Florida both go to Romney as well... Obama just took Colorado. E
104 jakeorion : As much as I want it to happen, it won't. Neither are going to back down and the two party system must go in order to move ahead.
105 BMI727 : In effect he was, but to me the test is whether or not the government spending is done because it's needed or as a way to create jobs and spend money
106 AeroWesty : Reagan was responsible for winning the Gulf War? Eh? It was fought under Bush 41. Also the war that many, if not most, Republicans felt was "unfinish
107 BMI727 : Yes, it was after he left office, but the defense programs put in under Reagan after the Vietnam War and problematic operations in Grenada and Iran i
108 AeroWesty : Okie dokie! LOLOL
109 cargolex : Wow, talk about revisionist history. Do you even know when these conflicts happened?
110 BMI727 : I don't know about you, but where I come from annihilating the enemy in a few months is a success.
111 casinterest : For the first time I see Obama ahead I the popular vote. May be a true plurality for Obama. Also early votes in NC are going to be counted after vote
112 AeroWesty : That Bush 43 was just chomping at the bit to "finish". Amen.
113 Post contains images BMI727 : No, I've never cracked a history book in my life. You cannot deny the success of the Reagan defense push. If the US had tried to fight the Gulf War w
114 BMI727 : I never said anything about the Second Gulf War.
115 Mir : Really? Obama's approval rating is not stellar. This election wasn't won by Obama, it was lost by Romney. Even with all Obama's flaws (and there are
116 PHX787 : We didn't. We came back in 2003.
117 Aloha717200 : ...Back on topic... CNN has just called Virginia for Obama. There is now absolutely no reason for Romney not to concede.
118 Post contains images AeroWesty : I understand that you believe the First Gulf War was an unmitigated success. I'm also pointing out that many/most Republicans don't agree with you, a
119 cargolex : Apparently not. Having lived through the Gulf war, I can tell you that the Vietnam war and the Gulf war have almost nothing in common as to why or ho
120 BN747 : America dodged a bullet tonight.. ..almost turning the keys over to a Corporate Raider. Luckily, it was the Raiders own words that sunk his ship. Alth
121 Ken777 : Romney has called Obama and is heading to his Headquarters to make a concession speech. Should start by the top of the hour. Obama will make his speec
122 cws818 : Bingo!
123 iFlyLOTs : Have you seen the "Death Road" pictures? We did annihilate them. We were told to stop going after them because we had done what we had come for, to g
124 casinterest : Great concession speech Mitt!!! Serious !!!!
125 cws818 : Well, Mitt Romney is a gracious man, and he gave a gracious speech.
126 futurepilot16 : Romney couldn't even win his own state! Shows that even the people who elected him wanted change
127 AeroWesty : From here, it seemed like he was happy he lost. Almost no emotion at all. Just smiles. But it certainly was gracious, as it should be.
128 Ken777 : I have to give Romney credit for an exceptional concession speech. I was glad that his family was able to come on stage to wave goodbye, and Ryan was
129 Aesma : I'm glad to hear from you that Congress is fully blue !
130 cws818 : Absolutely, and she truly seems to be a lovely woman. She has to be disappointed, and she looked it, but managed to keep it together.
131 Aloha717200 : You know what I find most interesting of all, guys? Nate Silver's 538 blog. He nailed it right on the head with his projections. There was a time wher
132 casinterest : For all that Ann has been through, if that wa her worst defeat ,,,, God bless and Damn, Seriously , it will be a shame to see Mitt Sidelined. Maybe B
133 BMI727 : The Iraqi military was a shell of its former self. They were a threat to no one. Unlike welfare spending, I would actually be doing something useful.
134 BN747 : Jeez, why wasn't he THAT guy all thru the campaign??? It seemed like he spoke from the heart all on his own (for the 1st time). I thought it was just
135 AeroWesty : And Ryan couldn't deliver Wisconsin. Although he did get re-elected to his seat in the House. (I believe he should have chosen one or the other, and
136 cargolex : And you have clearly demonstrated that you don't really understand the why, what, and when here. Neglect!?! Do you have any idea how much money was s
137 Aesma : Yes I know, I was being sarcastic. It's pretty similar in France except the House would be the National Assembly and we talk of the Congress only whe
138 BN747 : Why is that more unfortunate? Our Defense apparatus is way over the top! BN747
139 BMI727 : Because that's the industry I'm more than qualified to have a job in. Of course, he'd rather keep every gravy train going but that one, and the defen
140 jpetekyxmd80 : Yeah, Japan would know nothing about economic stagnation. Arent you from Ohio?
141 BN747 : Well of course..that's reason enough. Actually it is... we're back to the days of the powerful 18th British and Spanish armadas.. except in this age
142 Post contains images scbriml : Yay! Four more years! Well done USA! Explicitly against your economic well being? Get over yourself.
143 Aesma : Well, they don't want to subsidize/bail out/prop him up.
144 BMI727 : Of course if you don't work hard to keep it that way, it changes quickly. What else would you call electing politicians who run on wanting to cut the
145 caliatenza : Dude give it up man. Obama won..he is your president too.
146 jpetekyxmd80 : Geeze, of course we're looking at macro view here and beyond our individual concerns, but you always talk about how you'll vote however you think wil
147 something : So why is it okay for a government to create artificial demand for products through the generation of a fantasy institution but not provide aid for p
148 BMI727 : I don't. But people should realize that they can only shake the tree of the rich so much before capital really starts getting pushed offshore. And al
149 BMI727 : I'm not advocating wasteful programs for the purpose of creating demand. There are actual programs that are needed and will likely have to suffer fro
150 something : That is a grossly false equivalency and quite frankly, and insult to your intelligence. If a CEO earns 10 000 as much as his employees, then this def
151 Post contains links and images zkojq : BHO; Beat His Opponent. ....and it looks like the DNC blew their budget for next election cycle with all that confetti I'm not sure which I enjoyed wa
152 FlyPNS1 : Fiscally conservative??? The DoD has plenty of money. They could easily cut the wasteful programs and fund the worthwhile ones and still have money l
153 flipdewaf : Couldn't agree more! It seems that being a republican voter nowadays mean that people want the huge entrepreneurial spirit gained by having no safety
154 SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it has degenerated into an off-topc debate about stagnation in Japan and the USS Nimitz. Any posts added after the threa
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