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2012 U.S. Presidential Election Results  
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 994 times:

Hi all,

Thought we should have a thread for the results, separate from all the speculation/moaning threads.

A whole slew of states are beginning to report ... right now.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 997 times:

It's looking like NC shouldn't have been abandoned by the campaigns quite so soon.

Especially Romney's



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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2637 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 998 times:

Mittens just closed the gap in Florida; right while Wolf Blitzer was talking. Obama was ahead by 16,000 or so; then the screen blinked and the lead had narrowed to 1100.

Gots to say, no matter which side you're on, ya gotta enjoy the adrenaline in this election.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 997 times:
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My state went exactly as expected...with all of our three votes  


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7824 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Hopefully when I wake up to take a piss at 2AM the election results will be pretty much done  

Big day for me tomorrow, can't stay up and see who wins sadly  

Whoever wins, I hope the country can be united and go in a great direction... yeah I know that'll never happen lol



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 2):

Florida is looking like hanging chad state once again

Ohio though is looking like a blowout .
If Florida Ohio and Nc are indicators along with Va
Obama is the winner



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Argh, I'm trying to match up CNN's declared states to a list of states/electoral votes, and it's not coming up right. (Probably because I'm distracted making dinner.) What I have so far:

Obama
Connecticut - 7
Delaware - 3
District of Columbia - 3
Maine - 4
Maryland - 10
Massachusetts - 11
Michigan - 16
New Jersey - 14
New York - 29
Rhode Island - 4
Vermont - 3

Romney
Alabama - 9
Arkansas - 6
Georgia - 16
Kansas - 6
Kentucky - 8
Louisiana - 8
Mississippi - 6
Nebraska - 5
North Dakota - 3
Oklahoma - 7
South Dakota - 3
South Carolina - 9
Tennessee - 11
Texas - 38
West Virginia - 5
Wyoming - 3



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Ohio and Florida are going to be absolutely nuts   

All I know for Ohio is one of their votes is for Romney   (mine)



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 2):
Mittens just closed the gap in Florida; right while Wolf Blitzer was talking. Obama was ahead by 16,000 or so; then the screen blinked and the lead had narrowed to 1100.

With hundreds if not thousands still in line to cast their votes.


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 5):
Ohio though is looking like a blowout .
If Florida Ohio and Nc are indicators along with Va
Obama is the winner

Until at least 90% of the votes are in, it is difficult to tell who will come out ahead in Ohio, Florida and Virginia. And maybe Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Missouri and Colorado too.

Texan



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

WOW, Pennsylvania goes for Obama. Huge, decisive win, it was supposed to be a swing state.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

These are the called states as of 9:45PM, Eastern Time:

http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/2180/945pmelection2012.png


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1001 times:
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I find it interesting that with 10% of our precincts reporting, everything is being won by R, except for Senate, who has a D winner.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 9):

Agreed, but I have always felt NC was closer than 5% and it seems that Ohio is not close at all.

Florida being on the edge at this point cannot be comfortable for Romney



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Surprise! Utah goes for Mittens.  


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):

Surprise! Utah goes for Mittens.  

Never would have expected that.   


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

My tv costs too much to replace for me to watch the results.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Obama takes New Hampshire!

User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1051 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Let me be the first foreigner to participate in this thread.  

As far as I a concerned and only considering speaker values... David Axelrod 2016!!

Sorry couldn't resist.
Enjoy the interesting part of the night ahead!



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):

Romney wins Alaska

I beat CNN on the projection
 



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1001 times:

Very confident Obama will very unfortunately win again. This country was fooled once again. At the same time I know the GOP needs to make some changes in its party platforms.

So what does this election mean?

NOTHING. Republicans have kept the house, it will be status quo unless we can finally get some compromise from both sides. I can't believe this country thinks we are going in the correct direction. Well assuming Obama takes the popular vote which he might not.

Rubio/Christie 2016.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1000 times:

Quoting Stratofish (Reply 18):
David Axelrod 2016!!

Eh? Didn't he play Doctor Who?!?   



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 13):
Agreed, but I have always felt NC was closer than 5% and it seems that Ohio is not close at all.

I'm surprised at the Florida vote right now because, with 85.3% reporting and only 39.9% reporting in Miami-Dade and 84% in Broward, Obama still has the lead. There are only 8 counties left with less than 80% reporting, and Miami-Dade has a greater population than almost all of those combined, from what I can tell. Still going to be too close to call until later, though.

Texan



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Biggest surprise tonight so far for me, is Elizabeth Warren-D defeating incumbent Senator Scott Brown-R in Massachusetts.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
OTHING. Republicans have kept the house, it will be status quo unless we can finally get some compromise from both sides

agreed

But I will say this the GOP lost a lot of key voters through the social platform rather than the fiscal platform



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

Karl Rove on Fox giving his analysis of why Romney is still alive in Ohio.


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

People are getting real optimistic about Ohio going to romney, but i am not saying anything yet.

The only time people ever give a crap about Ohio is during the election or when OSU is playing in a BCS game.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 26):
People are getting real optimistic about Ohio going to romney, but i am not saying anything yet.

Which coverage are you watching? I just turned back to CNN from Fox. Fox had too many talking heads, while CNN has John King zooming in/out on his big map too quickly, making me dizzy.

(No matter who wins, I've got my box of Fiddle Faddle at the ready. It promises 'a mouthful of fun!'.)  



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
Very confident Obama will very unfortunately win again. This country was fooled once again. At the same time I know the GOP needs to make some changes in its party platforms.

So what does this election mean?

NOTHING. Republicans have kept the house, it will be status quo unless we can finally get some compromise from both sides. I can't believe this country thinks we are going in the correct direction. Well assuming Obama takes the popular vote which he might not.

Rubio/Christie 2016.

If the general public wants Romney (myself included) but the Electoral College winds up voting for Obama, that should be all the more reason to get rid of the ass-clown circus that is the Electoral College!   

Let our voice be heard! We, the People of the United States, have HAD ENOUGH!



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 28):

It's still too early to call the popular vote

The west coast , especially CA , will close this gap

The democrats had the same complaint in 2000.



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User currently offlineusairways787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 28):
Let our voice be heard! We, the People of the United States, have HAD ENOUGH!

Unfortunately for us, we allow ourselves to just be subjected to lies, and become sheep. I did all I could to vote him out, but it isn't in my hands.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting usairways787 (Reply 30):

You guys need to abandon Fox News

The economy is improving, and things are not as bad as you think



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 27):
Which coverage are you watching? I just turned back to CNN from Fox. Fox had too many talking heads, while CNN has John King zooming in/out on his big map too quickly, making me dizzy.

Local news via airstream and FOX. CNN via FB and the ReaganCoalition (rightwing website)

Also hearing exit polls from various friends posting their vote on FB. They're saying that the vote could come down to the western suburbs of Cincinnati.....which is where I, my family, and most of my friends have voted Romney.


USA Today giving Romney the N.C. electoral votes!!!!



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Four hours after close Miami has about 300 people still waiting to vote. On top of that they have 18,000 absentee ballots to count and that will not be done until some time tomorrow.

User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1180 times:

Romney wins NC and ID. Obama wins CA, WA and HI. No word on VA, OH, or FL. So no news really.  


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):

Yeah
Nc I think is Romney

I tried to push it the other way, but oh well

On state races you would maybe be surprised to learn I Correctly selected 3 republican candidates



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

With 11% of the vote counted, Oregon not enough data to call, though Obama leading. I'm really surprised.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 37, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 34):
So no news really.

CNN just came up with an interesting map. If Obama takes OR, NV and NM, he only needs CO and IA and will have +270, not needing OH, FL or VA to win.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
I can't believe this country thinks we are going in the correct direction.

Well, the few millions that make the election might think things are not going in the correct direction, but that Romney's plan is even worse.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 39, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 31):

You guys need to abandon Fox News

The economy is improving, and things are not as bad as you think

Even with Obama, I, as someone with an urban planning background, have failed to land a full-time job. Many fellow younger persons in the 18-34-year-old group and 50% of all new college graduates are having a very hard time finding jobs in their fields, even those of us who went to Ivy League schools...

What's the job outlook like eleswhere in the world? I'm just curious... I'm coming up on 4 years laboring as a caregiver and it's getting to the point where both my mental and physical health are deteriorating. Obamacare will not help me... All the socialist things Obama wants to pass will not help me... I'm sorry, but that's my strong opinion on that...



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 40, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

And there we go, CNN projects Iowa for Obama.

And add New Mexico.

Obama at 249 electoral votes.

[Edited 2012-11-06 20:12:02]


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 28):
Let our voice be heard! We, the People of the United States, have HAD ENOUGH!

Who is We, the People of the United States? Those who are white, those who are Republican, those who hate Obama and all he does and all things liberal.

This is why Obama and his positive messages have propelled him into the oval office again and why Mitt and his negative campaigning will lose the election.

The Republicans and conservatives have a lot of thinking to do after the race.



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User currently offlinekasimir From Netherlands Antilles, joined Jun 2011, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Bye bye Romney   ... New mexico also for obama

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 43, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

It's done. Obama got Ohio.


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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 44, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1190 times:

Fox News just gave up

User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 45, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

MSNBC projecting Obama wins re-election

CNN hasn't called it yet.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

CNN just called Obama.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 47, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

CNN PROJECTS OBAMA RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT.

It's over folks. Four more years!


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 39):

But the real problem is a global ecession that has pushed the envelope.
Urban planning is a neat degree, but I would not put it as a high demand one now........ In the USA
However I will grant you that it is difficult to study and not get a job.

Urban planning in the next 20 years will be highly important .

The economy is recovering . And you will find a place





,,,,,,,..

Game over Obama takes Ohio



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 49, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

CNN just called it for Obama.   


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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 50, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Glad to see this country rewards four years of failure with four more years. As Churchill said, “The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.”


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Big night for OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!      


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12217 posts, RR: 35
Reply 52, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1200 times:
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Let's hope that he can do something this time around and not just blame Bush. Since he like to blame the prior president, will he blame himself for the last four years?


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 53, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 41):

Just so you know, the Dems have been saying the exact same thing in 2000. Both parties agree that the electoral college needs to be scrapped and it is outdated. The main question remains is what do we replace it with? Until then, we are stuck with this formula regardless if we like it or not.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 54, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1207 times:

And let 4 more years of stagnation begin.

Good thing I don't have to deal with it, as I am moving to Japan in March.

If Obama's vision of America is what America truly is, then I am not an American anymore. I am an Arizonan.

[Edited 2012-11-06 20:28:51]


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User currently onlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8790 posts, RR: 24
Reply 55, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 41):
This is why Obama and his positive messages have propelled him into the oval office again and why Mitt and his negative campaigning will lose the election.

Good God, is this "Opposite Day"?

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years." This quote is attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler.

In 1814, John Adams said "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide."

As a dual citizen, I'm glad I have a way out. But I feel very sorry for those who don't. I believe a second Obama term will inevitably lead to the government attempting to inflate its way out of debt (destroying private wealth along the way), as soon as it finds out that it cannot raise the tax revenue to fund its expenditure plans (regardless of who controls Congress), and faced with the administration's total lack of fiscal restraint.

I wonder if the Dems will continue to refuse to pass any budgets for the next 4 years?



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User currently offlineLostSound From Canada, joined May 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

So proud of America for voting Obama back in!
May progress and evolution be yours.  



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9180 posts, RR: 18
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 41):
Who is We, the People of the United States? Those who are white, those who are Republican, those who hate Obama and all he does and all things liberal.

Mind you, I am a democrat, and so is my wife. We both have had enough. Ok? His programs, in my opinion, are not exactly in this country's best interests, unless we're trying to become another Greece, or the U.S.S.R. Our economy is really not improving. Look at the jobs numbers out there. Look at people coming out of college and landing jobs as cashiers or as fry cooks at McDonalds, providing they're able to even get those jobs... Sure, stocks may be edging upward as well as profits, but I'd be willing to bet that it's because they laid off people.

It looks like Florida will go to Obama, as will the election...

The plight of the young un(der)employed professionals shall continue...



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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 39):
Even with Obama, I, as someone with an urban planning background, have failed to land a full-time job. Many fellow younger persons in the 18-34-year-old group and 50% of all new college graduates are having a very hard time finding jobs in their fields, even those of us who went to Ivy League schools...

What's the job outlook like eleswhere in the world? I'm just curious... I'm coming up on 4 years laboring as a caregiver and it's getting to the point where both my mental and physical health are deteriorating. Obamacare will not help me... All the socialist things Obama wants to pass will not help me... I'm sorry, but that's my strong opinion on that...

So it is Obama's fault you can't land a full time job? I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all. It wasn't Bush's fault that I couldn't find a job when I got out and it isn't Obama's fault that you can't find one now. Network, meet people, work your ass off and make people want to hire you. Stop acting like you deserve a job and go out and earn a job. And you obviously don't understand what socialism is if you think a damn thing Obama has done is socialist.

If you want a job in your field go out and get it. Make noise, show people that they should want to hire you. Nobody can do that but you. So stop blaming others.

Texan



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 50):
Glad to see this country rewards four years of failure with four more years.

Your post is 8 years late.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29791 posts, RR: 58
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1199 times:

I am thinking about that old guy in the cave in the third Indiana jones movie and a couple of Pepsi adds..



America choose.........poorly



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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 59):

So will Bush still be your argument in 2016?



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 52):
Let's hope that he can do something this time around and not just blame Bush. Since he like to blame the prior president, will he blame himself for the last four years?

Exactly. I just hope the damn excuses stop, and Obama follows through with his endless promises. No more excuses for him.

I wish him luck. I wanna see the country do better.  



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2966 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 57):
U.S.S.R

Yeah, because the United States is definitely going towards being a failed Communist state.

Please.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

ABC, CBS & FOX have gone to local news shows.

That pretty much says it all for this election.

I bounced between CNN/NBC/CNBC all night as this was an exciting election for the speed of the results.

Dick Schmit (McCain's campaign manager) made a very interesting comment. He said that Romney was getting 66% of the white vote. George HW Bush got 66% of the white vote and won the election. Today the electorate is very different - fail to address people of color (which is a wide spectrum) and you will not be able to win the Presidency.

His focus was that the Republicans need to sit down and look at the changes that need to be made to bring all Americans into the GOP fold. That makes the Tea Party a liability. That makes the old grey men with a $2 haircut a liability. The only question is if the GOP can move quickly to bring the change that will return moderation & bi-partisanship to the GOP.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

2016 will be interesting. Biden surely won't run for president, and the GOP needs a stronger candidate and campaign to win.


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Happy that Obama won, even if he doesn't seem to have the legislature he needs to really apply his program.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 39):
What's the job outlook like elsewhere in the world?

Well, the European Union is at 10,6% unemployment, for more than 500 millions inhabitants. And many of the EU countries have conservative leaders.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
And let 4 more years of stagnation begin.

Good thing I don't have to deal with it, as I am moving to Japan in March.

Yeah, because Japan hasn't been stagnating for a couple of decades.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Four more years of debt I will have to pay for, a country going downhill unemployment being stuck at 8%, out of control government, and no progress. Unless he puts in a bunch of ridiculous executive orders. That is progress for you.

I do hope the popular vote comes out with Mitt on top or at least extremely close to show how this country actually feels.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1188 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 60):
America choose.........poorly

Your side deserved to loose boo hoo.

[Edited 2012-11-06 20:37:32]


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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 66):
Yeah, because Japan hasn't been stagnating for a couple of decades.

And not to mention that Japan has a health insurance mandate, government regulated medical fees and other very pinko-commie traits  . A conservative small government dream indeed !


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1344 posts, RR: 3
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 55):

As a dual citizen, I'm glad I have a way out. But I feel very sorry for those who don't. I believe a second Obama term will inevitably lead to the government attempting to inflate its way out of debt (destroying private wealth along the way), as soon as it finds out that it cannot raise the tax revenue to fund its expenditure plans (regardless of who controls Congress), and faced with the administration's total lack of fiscal restraint.

So, didn't get your way and now you want to move? Well, don't let the door hitcha, I guess.

But I don't see how you feel that way. America dodged a bullet tonight, and with more GOP losses coming up in the House & Senate, things will only get better. Think about it, healthcare reform is on the way, we'll be out of Afghanistan soon, and a lot of badly needed needed social adjustments are coming soon. This is good news anyway you look at it. Enjoy it, man.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 61):
So will Bush still be your argument in 2016?

Yeah I have a feeling we're going to see this happen. If not, it's going to be Romney...somehow.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 60):
America choose.........poorly

   As I say, if Obama considers his ideals to be "true American" ideals, then I am not an American.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 66):
Happy that Obama won, even if he doesn't seem to have the legislature he needs to really apply his program.

   All of this. ALL of this (Besides the happiness of Obama's winning). At least 2 more years of stagnation, and 4 if congress remains divided in 2014.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5232 posts, RR: 25
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1183 times:

Awesome news!!!

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 57):
Ok? His programs, in my opinion, are not exactly in this country's best interests, unless we're trying to become another Greece

People have got to get their facts straight on Greece. Greece's problem is not socialism (a rode down which the US is not headed anyway), but corruption and massive tax evasion. Greece is a cautionary tale for us, but as an example of what happens when the rich stop paying taxes.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

CNN: Romney will not concede at the moment, he thinks Ohio is still in play.


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1344 posts, RR: 3
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 71):

   As I say, if Obama considers his ideals to be "true American" ideals, then I am not an American.

You'll really love Japan then. Hope you know how to win lotteries, lol.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2743 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

Congratulations Pres Obama.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 66):
Yeah, because Japan hasn't been stagnating for a couple of decades.

Good point !

Quoting flymia (Reply 67):
Mitt on top or at least extremely close to show how this country actually feels.

But they don't. Obama won !

Quoting SR117 (Reply 69):
And not to mention that Japan has a health insurance mandate, government regulated medical fees and other very pinko-commie traits . A conservative small government dream indeed !

Shock horror, how dare they !!   

He's going to be in for a surprise !!



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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1172 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 73):

As much as it pains me, he needs to concede. It's not looking good for him and FL either.



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

Some of you really need to lighten up and respect others. I understand the pride of Democrats and the frustration of Republicans. If you voted you have every right to complain or celebrate.

The Republicans are frustrated and the Democrats are rubbing it on the faces of Republican voters how mature.

[Edited 2012-11-06 20:51:39]

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 74):
You'll really love Japan then. Hope you know how to win lotteries, lol.

I happen to have extreme luck in Japan   lets just say i'm the king of Pachinko  



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 50):
Glad to see this country rewards four years of failure with four more years.

Just like 2004.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
And let 4 more years of stagnation begin.

Just like 2004.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
If Obama's vision of America is what America truly is, then I am not an American anymore.

I guess not.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
Good thing I don't have to deal with it, as I am moving to Japan in March.

Ciao.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 73):

CNN: Romney will not concede at the moment, he thinks Ohio is still in play.

If you look at the total votes each candidate got, it's still very, very, very, very close. I'm surprised that Ohio decided to just go ahead and certify the election.

There are still several states that have not announced their winners, which defies the point to the electoral college format. Some people would see it as their votes not getting counted after the winner was declared. Florida isn't done yet either.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Quoting Mike89406 (Reply 77):
Some of you really need to lighten up and respect others. I understand the pride of Democrats and the frustration of Republicans. If you voted you have every right to complain or celebrate.

Exactly. Everyone's had their say, now lets move on and try to make this country better



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User currently offlineMike89406 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

I also get that it goes both ways some Republican voters can be quite abrasive.

User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 79):
Just like 2004.

See reply 61. That was eight years ago, twelve before you know it. Time to move on.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 83):
See reply 61. That was eight years ago, twelve before you know it. Time to move on.

Precisely.

Albeit I will concede, We have not had a good president since the 1988 election.



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 73):
CNN: Romney will not concede at the moment, he thinks Ohio is still in play.

What are the chances that Romney might demand a recount of Ohio votes ?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 85):
What are the chances that Romney might demand a recount of Ohio votes ?

If it's not within the mandated margin of error which triggers an automatic recount, OH could have one of those "you ask for it, you pay for it" laws. Regardless, it wouldn't make any difference the way VA and FL are shaping up.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Quoting texan (Reply 58):
So it is Obama's fault you can't land a full time job?

In my case it's much more direct of a line. He and his party are itching to cut defense spending, and by extension, cut well paying, technically oriented jobs. The liberals wish to gut my field for the sake of social programs, meanwhile the Chinese will march on. Maybe they'll hire me...so much for America not having enough engineers.

Obama's actually not that bad outside of his economic policy. If he gets some smarter voices in the room that don't lead him down the dead end of Keynesian economics, he could be quite successful. If he doesn't, there could be the better part of four more years in a recessions.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 66):
Well, the European Union is at 10,6% unemployment, for more than 500 millions inhabitants.

That's where left wing economic policies lead you.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 84):
Albeit I will concede, We have not had a good president since the 1988 election.

Clinton was actually pretty good.



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Congratulations to Mr Obama.

To think of all those tears by the Tea Partiers, all of their crys and frustration - all about things that don't even exist. Hilarious.



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 83):
Quoting cws818 (Reply 79):
Just like 2004.

See reply 61. That was eight years ago, twelve before you know it. Time to move on.

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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

NBC is now saying that Ohio has not yet certified the election yet per the officials in Ohio. So, if that's true, then why is Obama awarded the Presidency? That doesn't make sense.


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

With the close race , I will say that a few social issues such as immigration, abortion, and birtherism cost the GOP tha election


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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1144 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
Clinton was actually pretty good.

I would say the best since the 50s



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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

http://elections.msnbc.msn.com/ns/politics/2012/ohio/#.UJnrKob5Nlj

Romney leading in OH....

Edit: not anymore it updated.

[Edited 2012-11-06 21:07:25]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 92):
I would say the best since the 50s

He would be if it weren't for Reagan. Similar to how I automatically know that anyone who says Obama is the worst ever is full of it because the actual worst president is Jimmy Carter.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1157 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 90):
So, if that's true, then why is Obama awarded the Presidency?

The news media is merely making projections. Do you think California certified its election at 8:00:30pm?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 67):
I do hope the popular vote comes out with Mitt on top or at least extremely close to show how this country actually feels.

May well happen, depending on the voting levels in the Really Red states. I live in Oklahoma, which is as redneck as you can get politically and Obama will be lucky to win 33% of the vote. Those redneck states can add up to a popular vote win for Romney.

Sadly, the results of 2000 will diminish the GOP's ability to crow too much about the popular vote.

But it may well get politicians on bother sides of the aisle to look at moving to a popular vote election for President in the future.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 73):
CNN: Romney will not concede at the moment, he thinks Ohio is still in play.

I think that the networks have invested enough money and talent into their political number crunching to be fairly safe in their projections. If it was something like 2 out of 3 networks going for Obama it might be different, btu these guys are looking at some minute details.

And even if Romney was given Ohio he still doesn't have the 270. And last I saw Obama was ahead in Florida and heavy Democratic areas were the ones that had not fully reported.


User currently offlinejakeorion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

The economy now is fully his and no one else. Blaming Bush will not cut it anymore. If it stagnates for another 4 years, history will not be kind at all.


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User currently offlinepu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 695 posts, RR: 13
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 67):

Four more years of debt I will have to pay for,

Only if Republicans in the House let this happen.

Best case scenario IMO is The Democrats get most of their basic policy ideals in place

BUT

the Republicans use their house majority (and I think popular sentiment) to enforce overall fiscal discipline, deficit reduction and (eventually) reducing the debt even if sacrad cows like the Pentagon and Social Security get cuts.




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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 90):
NBC is now saying that Ohio has not yet certified the election yet per the officials in Ohio. So, if that's true, then why is Obama awarded the Presidency? That doesn't make sense.

Other states pushed Obama over 270



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User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2911 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 90):
NBC is now saying that Ohio has not yet certified the election yet per the officials in Ohio. So, if that's true, then why is Obama awarded the Presidency? That doesn't make sense.

Apparently Karl Rove is making a fuss over the numbers there....

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 95):
He would be if it weren't for Reagan. Similar to how I automatically know that anyone who says Obama is the worst ever is full of it because the actual worst president is Jimmy Carter.

Wouldn't Nixon take that honor ?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1170 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 95):
He would be if it weren't for Reagan.

Many economists have made the case for Reagan being a Keynesian.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

To the conservatives who are not crazy ie Donald "Revolution" Trump, it has been tough but I hope Republicans and Democrats can come to a consensus and lead as they where elected to do and I hope for the sake of this country some friendships can still be made across the aisle.


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1151 times:

Quoting alberchico (Reply 101):
Apparently Karl Rove is making a fuss over the numbers there....

It no longer matters. Say Ohio was to flip red at the last second...and Virginia and Florida both go to Romney as well...

Obama just took Colorado. Even with all three of those states going to Romney, Obama still wins with 272 electoral votes.

It's over.


User currently offlinejakeorion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 103):
To the conservatives who are not crazy ie Donald "Revolution" Trump, it has been tough but I hope Republicans and Democrats can come to a consensus and lead as they where elected to do and I hope for the sake of this country some friendships can still be made across the aisle.

As much as I want it to happen, it won't. Neither are going to back down and the two party system must go in order to move ahead.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 102):
Many economists have made the case for Reagan being a Keynesian.

In effect he was, but to me the test is whether or not the government spending is done because it's needed or as a way to create jobs and spend money. It's a little hard to say the Reagan defense push fell into the latter category considering the victories in the Cold War and Gulf War. And a lot of that would probably not have been necessary without the Carter era neglect.

You wouldn't want every president to be like Reagan, but he was the right guy at the right time.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 106):
Gulf War.

Reagan was responsible for winning the Gulf War? Eh? It was fought under Bush 41. Also the war that many, if not most, Republicans felt was "unfinished business"?



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 107):
Reagan was responsible for winning the Gulf War? Eh?

Yes, it was after he left office, but the defense programs put in under Reagan after the Vietnam War and problematic operations in Grenada and Iran is why the Gulf War was successful. The military had a black eye after Vietnam, but Reagan allowed it to be fixed.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 108):
Gulf War was successful

Okie dokie! LOLOL



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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 108):
Yes, it was after he left office, but the defense programs put in under Reagan after the Vietnam War and problematic operations in Grenada and Iran is why the Gulf War was successful. The military had a black eye after Vietnam, but Reagan allowed it to be fixed.

Wow, talk about revisionist history. Do you even know when these conflicts happened?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 109):
Okie dokie!

I don't know about you, but where I come from annihilating the enemy in a few months is a success.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1136 times:

For the first time I see Obama ahead I the popular vote.
May be a true plurality for Obama.

Also early votes in NC are going to be counted after vote today.
Nc may get closer than 3 %



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 111):
where I come from annihilating the enemy in a few months is a success.

That Bush 43 was just chomping at the bit to "finish".

Quoting cargolex (Reply 110):
Wow, talk about revisionist history.

Amen.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Quoting cargolex (Reply 110):
Do you even know when these conflicts happened?

No, I've never cracked a history book in my life.  

You cannot deny the success of the Reagan defense push. If the US had tried to fight the Gulf War with the same military that fought the Vietnam War, the result would not have been as good.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 113):
That Bush 43 was just chomping at the bit to "finish".

I never said anything about the Second Gulf War.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21522 posts, RR: 55
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1131 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 20):
This country was fooled once again.

Really? Obama's approval rating is not stellar. This election wasn't won by Obama, it was lost by Romney. Even with all Obama's flaws (and there are many), the American people looked at the best the GOP thought they had and said "I don't want that guy".

I take this election as a stern rebuke of the way the GOP has been going about doing things the past four years (and more importantly the two years in which the GOP had the House). They said their number one priority was to make Obama a one-term president, and they failed. The scorched earth policy of obstructionism from the GOP has been invalidated (yes, the Democrats haven't been models of compromise by any stretch of the imagination, but it cannot be argued that the GOP has been legislating in good faith). They're going to need a new platform if they want to continue to be taken seriously.

That means not talking about cutting deficits and then proposing tax cuts and military spending increases immediately upon entering office while proposing vague solutions on how to reverse not just the current deficit but the extra debt they'd added on. That means recognizing that you cannot solve the problem of the deficit without some increase in revenues in addition to spending cuts (how we split those revenue increases and spending cuts is a completely valid discussion to have, but but there have to be some of both). That means taking the social planks in the platform and putting them through the woodchipper (and making a big show of it to let people know they're serious about it this time).

There's plenty of stuff I want to see from Obama that I haven't seen in the first four years, but unfortunately it's late and I have work tomorrow, but I'll try to put those up in this or another thread tomorrow. Despite supporting him, I do believe that there are some deep flaws in his first term - again, he was only a good choice because of the alternative.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
If Obama's vision of America is what America truly is, then I am not an American anymore. I am an Arizonan.

Arizona's not a country. Stop whining.

Quoting flymia (Reply 67):
I do hope the popular vote comes out with Mitt on top or at least extremely close to show how this country actually feels.

I'm not sure we really need that in order to know how the country feels about Obama.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
In my case it's much more direct of a line. He and his party are itching to cut defense spending, and by extension, cut well paying, technically oriented jobs. The liberals wish to gut my field for the sake of social programs

I would have thought you'd be the first to say that the government shouldn't be in the business of giving you a job.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
Clinton was actually pretty good.

Very good, I'd say.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 111):
I don't know about you, but where I come from annihilating the enemy in a few months is a success.

We didn't. We came back in 2003.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

...Back on topic...

CNN has just called Virginia for Obama.

There is now absolutely no reason for Romney not to concede.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 115):
I never said anything about the Second Gulf War.

I understand that you believe the First Gulf War was an unmitigated success. I'm also pointing out that many/most Republicans don't agree with you, as it's a widely held belief that its lack of success was one of the motivators for leaping into the Second Gulf War after 9/11. You may not agree with that.

Regardless, we have your view now, which answered the question on why you believe Reagan was a great president, despite his Keynesian lean in economics, which appeared to be an anomaly. As we're not here to debate the Gulf Wars, I'm sure we may safely return to discussing this election.  

[Edited 2012-11-06 21:46:45]


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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 114):

No, I've never cracked a history book in my life.

Apparently not.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 114):

You cannot deny the success of the Reagan defense push. If the US had tried to fight the Gulf War with the same military that fought the Vietnam War, the result would not have been as good.

Having lived through the Gulf war, I can tell you that the Vietnam war and the Gulf war have almost nothing in common as to why or how they were fought. Furthermore, many of the investments made by the Reagan administration resulted in a spectacular ballooning of the national debt while not being extremely useful in terms of winning the Gulf war. Much of that defense buildup was for strategic defense - long range missiles, SDI, nuclear assets. In the gulf war, several long-mothballed or aging defense systems that pre-dated even some of Reagan's predecessors were key to winning that conflict.

Having been alive during the Beiruit bombing and the Grenada invasion, you're also forgetting that these things happened quite a long time into Reagan's first term.

Let's also not forget that Reagan sold arms to Iran and to Saddam Hussein, and backed the Hussein regime during the Iran-Iraq war while secretly selling arms to it's rival. Do we need to trot out pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

Post-Vietnam changes to the Military and how it operated began even before the U.S. withdrawl, under Nixon, who ended the draft, and then Ford and Carter, the latter of whom reinstated the selective service registry.

I don't question that Reagan's military buildup in the 1980s gave us many advantages, but seriously, stop with the revisionist history.


User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

America dodged a bullet tonight..

..almost turning the keys over to a Corporate Raider. Luckily, it was the Raiders own words that sunk his ship. Although most people saw the word 'businessman' attached to a resume and took that as good enough to put the nation's economy of 'FF'. Albeit unbeknownst to them a Corporate Raider is not the type of personally to do that. He's conditioned by his very nature to do just the opposite - do what's best for him and those close to him than those he does not even know.

Massachusetts tried to tell us this.

But the state of Ohio got it's payback - they used the very words of the Candidate to interpret his 'potential actions and behavior' given what they experienced by near devastation of the auto-industry. And Romney made it worse towards the end by the Jeep Ad campaign which was a scare tactic that fell flat on it's face. Were he a man true to his own convictions (whatever they are)..the outcome might have been different, but this was totally a loss of his own making.

America may not know it..but it was the winner in this election.

The true losers, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and their entire brand of unreasonable political divisive and racial hatred - it will diminish slightly by the midterms and even more so by 2016.

Mitch McConnell's 'Our #1 goal to make President Obama a 1-term President...' Epic Fail! The number goal should have been 'the Nation's Economic Health'..and just that simple alteration could have made a huge difference.

BN747



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Romney has called Obama and is heading to his Headquarters to make a concession speech. Should start by the top of the hour.

Obama will make his speech after that.

Ohio is now a trivial issue.


User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 121):
Mitch McConnell's 'Our #1 goal to make President Obama a 1-term President...' Epic Fail! The number goal should have been 'the Nation's Economic Health'..and just that simple alteration could have made a huge difference.

Bingo!



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 117):
We didn't. We came back in 2003.

Have you seen the "Death Road" pictures? We did annihilate them. We were told to stop going after them because we had done what we had come for, to get Iraq out of Kuwait.

2003 was a completely different situation, the government (Bush 43) essentially mislead the public into thinking that the Iraqis had WMDs and we needed to get them.

On topic: I'm more surprised by how many swing states Obama won than the fact that he actually won the election..



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1117 times:

Great concession speech Mitt!!!
Serious !!!!



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1119 times:

Well, Mitt Romney is a gracious man, and he gave a gracious speech.


volgende halte...Station Hollands Spoor
User currently offlinefuturepilot16 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2035 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 121):

Romney couldn't even win his own state! Shows that even the people who elected him wanted change



"The brave don't live forever, but the cautious don't live at all."
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1130 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 125):
Great concession speech Mitt!!!

From here, it seemed like he was happy he lost. Almost no emotion at all. Just smiles. But it certainly was gracious, as it should be.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

I have to give Romney credit for an exceptional concession speech.

I was glad that his family was able to come on stage to wave goodbye, and Ryan was joining them on stage.

I also felt for Ann Romney - you could see her pain as she walked off stage. I don't thing she has ever experienced a "failure" like that in her life and it had to hurt.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting jakeorion (Reply 98):
The economy now is fully his and no one else.

I'm glad to hear from you that Congress is fully blue !



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User currently offlinecws818 From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1176 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 129):
I also felt for Ann Romney - you could see her pain as she walked off stage. I don't thing she has ever experienced a "failure" like that in her life and it had to hurt.

Absolutely, and she truly seems to be a lovely woman. She has to be disappointed, and she looked it, but managed to keep it together.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

You know what I find most interesting of all, guys?


Nate Silver's 538 blog.

He nailed it right on the head with his projections. There was a time where every conservative outlet was calling 538 crazy, it was even awarding states to Obama that electoral-vote.com and Election Projection weren't even giving to him. Nate Silver called it accurately when Mitt's momentum stopped, even when the media continued to talk about Mitt momentum. Silver is a numbers guy and runs thousands of simulations daily, and basically had tonight's results pegged. Absolutely amazing.

The other interesting thing has to do with the "unskewed polls" thing. Many people were crying in the last few months that the pollsters were oversampling democrats, incorrectly using a 2008 turnout model, etc etc...and so pundits took to "adjusting" the polls to something more "realistic". Amazing how that all fell flat on its face.


And finally, and perhaps most entertainingly....was the 321 to 217 electoral vote victory predicted by a majority of conservative talking heads and radio hosts....even yesterday, Glen Beck called his co-host an "idiot" for believing that Obama was going to take this election...Beck predicted on numerous occasions that God wanted Obama to lose the election, that a Romney win was God's will, and not to worry, because no matter what the polls said, there would be a Mitt landslide on election day.

I can't wait to hear what he says tomorrow. I can't wait to hear from Hannity as well. That man is annoying enough...I might only be able to endure a few minutes of his huffing and puffing.


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1128 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 129):

For all that Ann has been through, if that wa her worst defeat ,,,, God bless and Damn,


Seriously , it will be a shame to see Mitt Sidelined. Maybe Barack had a business czar in mind,,,,l



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 117):
We didn't. We came back in 2003.

The Iraqi military was a shell of its former self. They were a threat to no one.

Quoting Mir (Reply 116):
I would have thought you'd be the first to say that the government shouldn't be in the business of giving you a job.

Unlike welfare spending, I would actually be doing something useful. That's spending the government actually needs to be doing. But there's nothing like torpedoing a high tech industry to help the economy along right?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 119):
I'm also pointing out that many/most Republicans don't agree with you

...and I'm not the one that got my ass kicked in an election tonight.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 120):
I can tell you that the Vietnam war and the Gulf war have almost nothing in common as to why or how they were fought.

And there is a damn good reason for that. After Vietnam the military was broken.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 120):
Furthermore, many of the investments made by the Reagan administration resulted in a spectacular ballooning of the national debt

Which is why it's good that not everyone is like Reagan, but with respect to defense he was largely correcting neglect before his term. Any economic gain from Keynesian economics is transient and must be paid for at some point. Really, you could argue that that fact is what cost the Republicans a fourth presidential term when Bush had to raise taxes.

Quoting cargolex (Reply 120):
Let's also not forget that Reagan sold arms to Iran and to Saddam Hussein, and backed the Hussein regime during the Iran-Iraq war while secretly selling arms to it's rival. Do we need to trot out pictures of Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam?

I'm not going to fault any administration from helping some American exports. Besides, the more time people we don't really like spending killing each other, the less time they'll spend killing us or us killing them.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 121):
America dodged a bullet tonight..

...more likely we earned four more years hiding in an economic bunker.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 121):
The true losers, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and their entire brand of unreasonable political divisive and racial hatred - it will diminish slightly by the midterms and even more so by 2016.

You need those types more than you know. They are the Democrats' best friend. With more liberal economic policy, which is likely to fail, reasonable conservatives who don't say ridiculous things will become very dangerous to Democrats.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1121 times:

Quoting cws818 (Reply 126):
Well, Mitt Romney is a gracious man, and he gave a gracious speech.

Jeez, why wasn't he THAT guy all thru the campaign???

It seemed like he spoke from the heart all on his own (for the 1st time).

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 129):
I also felt for Ann Romney - you could see her pain as she walked off stage. I don't thing she has ever experienced a "failure" like that in her life and it had to hurt.

I thought it was just me seeing that..the hurt was indeed etched in her face, she wanted this more than Mitt did.

Bn747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20394 posts, RR: 62
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1118 times:

Quoting futurepilot16 (Reply 127):
Romney couldn't even win his own state!

And Ryan couldn't deliver Wisconsin. Although he did get re-elected to his seat in the House. (I believe he should have chosen one or the other, and not been electable to two offices on the same ballot.)

Quoting Aesma (Reply 130):
I'm glad to hear from you that Congress is fully blue !

The Senate is blue, the House remained red. Senate + House = Congress.



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User currently offlinecargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 134):
After Vietnam the military was broken.

And you have clearly demonstrated that you don't really understand the why, what, and when here.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 134):

Which is why it's good that not everyone is like Reagan, but with respect to defense he was largely correcting neglect before his term.
Neglect!?! Do you have any idea how much money was spent on defense from 1960 to 1975? After that, the appetite for war was virtually nil in this country, as was the appetite for spending more money on defense. Nevertheless, the big draw-downs in military spending occurred under Nixon, not Ford or Carter, who more or less maintained defense spending at about 2/3rds of the peak reached under the Reagan years. The idea that somehow we were doing nothing at all and letting the military wither on the vine is plainly revisionist and totally inaccurate.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 134):

I'm not going to fault any administration from helping some American exports.

Do you know anything at all about the Iran-Contra affair, or the secret wars in El Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala? Do you know that this involved Reagan specifically violating the law by selling arms to parties that were specifically prohibited by an act of congress?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 134):
Besides, the more time people we don't really like spending killing each other, the less time they'll spend killing us or us killing them.

Since many of the arms sold to Iraq were later used on our ally Kuwait and then on us, I'm sure it's academic, right?

Perhaps you'd like to elaborate on the downing of Iran Air flight 655, in which 274 civilians died as a result of a US Navy cruiser working to support Iraq during that conflict (the Iran-Iraq war) mistaking the A300 for an Iranian F-14. That's alot more than making money from exports, and the consequences much more serious than you seem to think.

Again, these are knowable things, and they're not exactly a long time ago either.

[Edited 2012-11-06 22:43:49]

User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 136):
The Senate is blue, the House remained red. Senate + House = Congress.

Yes I know, I was being sarcastic. It's pretty similar in France except the House would be the National Assembly and we talk of the Congress only when it convenes once in a while in Versailles, usually to pass constitutional amendments or laws. The Sénat has much less power than the Senate though, and a conservative National Assembly would mean a conservative government with a conservative prime minister, whatever the color of the president.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 144):
It's unfortunate that he's concerned more with the auto industry than the defense industry.

Why is that more unfortunate?

Our Defense apparatus is way over the top!

BN747



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1124 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 147):
Why is that more unfortunate?

Because that's the industry I'm more than qualified to have a job in. Of course, he'd rather keep every gravy train going but that one, and the defense industry isn't the one that nearly goes out of business every three decades or so. Nothing like having half the country explicitly against my economic well being.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 147):
Our Defense apparatus is way over the top!

Actually that's probably not the case. It doesn't need huge numbers of troops anymore, but things are more expensive and take longer to develop.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 140, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):
And let 4 more years of stagnation begin.

Good thing I don't have to deal with it, as I am moving to Japan in March.

Yeah, Japan would know nothing about economic stagnation.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 54):

If Obama's vision of America is what America truly is, then I am not an American anymore. I am an Arizonan.


Arent you from Ohio?



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 141, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1122 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 148):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 147):
Why is that more unfortunate?

Because that's the industry I'm more than qualified to have a job in.

Well of course..that's reason enough.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 148):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 147):
Our Defense apparatus is way over the top!

Actually that's probably not the case. It doesn't need huge numbers of troops anymore, but things are more expensive and take longer to develop.



Actually it is... we're back to the days of the powerful 18th British and Spanish armadas.. except in this age - it's the Carrier Groups.

As the Gerald Ford Class aircraft carriers come on line joining and replacing the Nimitz class, the operational cost in this area alone is slashed by an easy 25% or more and the ships though the same size comprise of more deck space and a far more advanced catapult system (and less space consuming). Aircraft carrier groups are proving to exceedingly more efficient than stationary costly land (foreign) air bases due their mobility. The onus is now back on the Navy vs strategically placed air bases.
And it is more likely than not that Nimitz ships may serve with the Fords if need be.

As Drone Technology becomes more advanced and sophisticated, it lessens the demand of boots on the ground and reduces troop requirements. Innovations on fighter technologies are advancing...not regressing. More is being done with less, much less. Without the Ford Class Carrier Groups, there's no Navy on Earth that can come close to matching the Nimitz Carrier Groups. Sorry but we're ahead of curve on all points and don't need more ships (Romney debate point) to maintain it.

And I haven't begun to mention 'other weapon technologies' at the ready.

BN747



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12390 posts, RR: 46
Reply 142, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1124 times:
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Yay! Four more years! Well done USA!   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 148):
Nothing like having half the country explicitly against my economic well being.

Explicitly against your economic well being? Get over yourself.   



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6530 posts, RR: 9
Reply 143, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Well, they don't want to subsidize/bail out/prop him up.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 144, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1113 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 154):
Sorry but we're ahead of curve on all points and don't need more ships (Romney debate point) to maintain it.

Of course if you don't work hard to keep it that way, it changes quickly.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 155):
Explicitly against your economic well being? Get over yourself.

What else would you call electing politicians who run on wanting to cut the defense industry? Which happens to be a lot of the jobs I'm told form the backbone of the American economy.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 137):

Dude give it up man. Obama won..he is your president too.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4378 posts, RR: 27
Reply 146, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 148):

Because that's the industry I'm more than qualified to have a job in. Of course, he'd rather keep every gravy train going but that one, and the defense industry isn't the one that nearly goes out of business every three decades or so. Nothing like having half the country explicitly against my economic well being.

Geeze, of course we're looking at macro view here and beyond our individual concerns, but you always talk about how you'll vote however you think will give you a better chance to make more money- fine, whatever, people do that- but then on the flip side why would you expect anyone to care about your individual needs?



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 147, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 158):
What else would you call electing politicians who run on wanting to cut the defense industry? Which happens to be a lot of the jobs I'm told form the backbone of the American economy.

So why is it okay for a government to create artificial demand for products through the generation of a fantasy institution but not provide aid for people in need? Should the government just say that they want an extensive art collection and instead of doling out welfare, they make people/recipient draw pictures that serve no purpose other than pretending they are holding a job?

The military is about the most leftist/communist/debt incurring institution imaginable.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 148, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 160):
then on the flip side why would you expect anyone to care about your individual needs?

I don't. But people should realize that they can only shake the tree of the rich so much before capital really starts getting pushed offshore.

And although trickle down economics is far from a given or an obligation, do you think you have a better chance getting hired by a single mom in a trailer park or someone with an engineering degree? Do you think Jose the fruit picker who walked across the border or the guy who installs radios in Chevy Malibus is going to help keep a technical lead on the Chinese and others?



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 149, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1112 times:

Quoting something (Reply 161):
So why is it okay for a government to create artificial demand for products through the generation of a fantasy institution but not provide aid for people in need?

I'm not advocating wasteful programs for the purpose of creating demand. There are actual programs that are needed and will likely have to suffer from budget cuts. Not to mention that there almost needs to be a second type of military since the large standing armies are not a really good way to fight terrorists.

Quoting something (Reply 161):
Should the government just say that they want an extensive art collection and instead of doling out welfare, they make people/recipient draw pictures that serve no purpose other than pretending they are holding a job?

FDR did that during the New Deal. It didn't work.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 150, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1103 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 162):
And although trickle down economics is far from a given or an obligation, do you think you have a better chance getting hired by a single mom in a trailer park or someone with an engineering degree?

That is a grossly false equivalency and quite frankly, and insult to your intelligence.

If a CEO earns 10 000 as much as his employees, then this defies every economic legitimation. Legislation against this, or rectifiying taxes are anything but ethically motivated. They're countermeasures to exploitation. If an artist or athlete should be taxed under the same code, is an ethical conundrum. They have earned their money legitimately, but at the same time they are not job creators or the bright minds ''keeping the technical lead on the Chinese''. Following your own argument they should be taxed at an even higher rate.

There are taxes that need to be cut, others that have to be dramatically lowered and others have to be raised significantly. Blanket, and demonstrably fallacious faux-arguments like ''the rich are carrying the largest tax burden'' are only making a point to those who don't know better.

It wouldn't hurt the USA to stop thinking of itself as this magical, special place. Instead, why not look at other countries and copy models that have proven to work there. If we were having a more substantial discussion, then obviously we would first have to define what ''working'' means. There are no absolutes and no rights or wrongs in politics. Everything works, it just produces different results and what ''works'' means to me what is in the best interest of the largest number of people and what is sustainable. And that is why I would not vote Republican. Their plans works, but it only works for a small number of people for a very short period of time. That is not my understanding of democracy.



..sick of it. -K. Pilkington.
User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1142 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1090 times:

BHO; Beat His Opponent.

....and it looks like the DNC blew their budget for next election cycle with all that confetti http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/07/article-2229053-15E46562000005DC-161_964x569.jpg
I'm not sure which I enjoyed watching more; the joy of those on MSNBC (Brian Williams was actually very restrained) or the sadness of those on FOX.
Quoting alberchico (Reply 85):
What are the chances that Romney might demand a recount of Ohio votes ?

Are we questioning the accuracy of Taag's voting machines?

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 131):
I can't wait to hear what he says tomorrow. I can't wait to hear from Hannity as well. That man is annoying enough...I might only be able to endure a few minutes of his huffing and puffing.

  

Quoting Aesma (Reply 66):
Yeah, because Japan hasn't been stagnating for a couple of decades.

Not to mention debt being something like 230% of GDP.

[Edited 2012-11-07 02:03:11]


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6578 posts, RR: 24
Reply 152, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 158):
What else would you call electing politicians who run on wanting to cut the defense industry?

Fiscally conservative???

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 163):
There are actual programs that are needed and will likely have to suffer from budget cuts. Not to mention that there almost needs to be a second type of military since the large standing armies are not a really good way to fight terrorists.

The DoD has plenty of money. They could easily cut the wasteful programs and fund the worthwhile ones and still have money leftover.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 163):
Not to mention that there almost needs to be a second type of military since the large standing armies are not a really good way to fight terrorists.

Why not reduce the standing army? Remember, Romney wanted to increase the size of our standing army, but for no real reason.

Back on topic, I'm pretty amazed that Obama won almost all the swing states. It seems like all the Republican enthusiasm that was supposedly going to bring Romney into office just wasn't there. While we all knew that Obama would get fewer votes than last time, I was surprise to see Romney's fall off versus McCain. It should be a cautionary tale to the Republican party about their tactics.


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1063 times:
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Quoting texan (Reply 58):
So it is Obama's fault you can't land a full time job? I'm sorry, I don't buy that at all. It wasn't Bush's fault that I couldn't find a job when I got out and it isn't Obama's fault that you can't find one now. Network, meet people, work your ass off and make people want to hire you. Stop acting like you deserve a job and go out and earn a job. And you obviously don't understand what socialism is if you think a damn thing Obama has done is socialist.

If you want a job in your field go out and get it. Make noise, show people that they should want to hire you. Nobody can do that but you. So stop blaming others.

Texan

Couldn't agree more!
It seems that being a republican voter nowadays mean that people want the huge entrepreneurial spirit gained by having no safety nets around to make a job appear in their laps rather than actually do it themselves.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
That's where left wing economic policies lead you.

Most of the gov't in Europe in the last few years has been conservative.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 133):
That's spending the government actually needs to be doing

Needs to be doing or you want them to do?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 137):
See y'all at the polls in 2014

Will you be voting in the Japanese elections?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 143):
It's unfortunate that he's concerned more with the auto industry than the defense industry.

Perhaps he feels that transporting people is more important than killing them.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
He and his party are itching to cut defense spending, and by extension, cut well paying, technically oriented jobs.

But you just said:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 143):
It's unfortunate that he's concerned more with the auto industry than the defense industry.

In what way is the auto industry not

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 87):
well paying, technically oriented

?

Quoting JFK]Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country[/quote]
[quote=BMI727
(Reply 148):
Nothing like having half the country explicitly against my economic well being.


Why should you expect the country to help you out?go train in a field that people need, why should your choices be someone else's problems?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 148):
Because that's the industry I'm more than qualified to have a job in.

More than qualified? You'll be gainfully employed then.


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 154, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1058 times:
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