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Puerto Rico On The Road To Statehood  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

While it is totally unfortunate that Obama won the presidential election, it looks like Puerto Rico is on the road to statehood as of the current results:
http://www.uticaod.com/latestnews/x2...es-on-US-ties-and-chooses-governor

Currently on the first part of the referendum, 53% have voted not to keep the current status with the United States. On the second part of the referendum, 65% have voted for statehood, vs. 31% for nationhood in free association with the U.S., and 4% for total independence.

So, here are two possibilities of what the star section on our next American Flag could look like:


[Edited 2012-11-06 21:33:50]

[Edited 2012-11-06 21:35:19]


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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

What benefits would Puerto Rico give the rest of the country? From the little I know of the PR there is high unemployment and high crime. No way Republicans want PR in too. Does this go to congress to decide?


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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
What benefits would Puerto Rico give the rest of the country? From the little I know of the PR there is high unemployment and high crime. No way Republicans want PR in too. Does this go to congress to decide?

Actually, the Republican Party has historically been more supportive of Puerto Rican statehood than Democrats. The pro-commonwealth party in Puerto Rico, the Popular Democratic Party, is officially aligned with the Democratic Party. The pro-statehood party, the New Progressive Party, isn't officially aligned with either party, but historically has been more closely aligned with the Republican Party.

Either way, both Obama and Romney have stated they will support Puerto Rican statehood. Lets see if Obama keeps his word.

[Edited 2012-11-06 21:34:35]


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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
So, here are two possibilities of what our next American Flag could look like:

Definitely the first one.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7451 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
So, here are two possibilities of what the star section on our next American Flag could look like:

I like the first one.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
While it is totally unfortunate that Obama won the presidential election, it looks like Puerto Rico is on the road to statehood as of the current results:
Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
Does this go to congress to decide?

All of this goes to congress, and it needs to be ratified by a 3/4th margin. I am guessing this will probably happen in the next 4-8 years.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 2):
The pro-statehood party, the New Progressive Party, isn't officially aligned with either party, but historically has been more closely aligned with the Republican Party.

The current governor is legally a Republican.



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User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
The current governor is legally a Republican.

The article, however, says that the democratic, anti-statehood candidate for governor is in the lead.

So what happens if the island elects an anti-statehood governor, but the residents vote for statehood?


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 3):
Definitely the first one.

The second one is based on the layout when Wyoming was admitted as a state. Here is the link to an online program that can generate flags up to 100 stars based on historical layouts:
http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/06/51-to-100-states-of-america-flag.html



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6607 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

I read on this referendum a few weeks ago (article was couple months old) and I got the impression it would lead nowhere because there were several choices, but I see I was wrong. It's good to see people choosing their fate, the current colony status can't continue.


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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
So, here are two possibilities of what the star section on our next American Flag could look like:

I saw one proposal that had it in a circle.. I wish that would come back as a possibility.
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Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
What benefits would Puerto Rico give the rest of the country?

Well they're one of the largest pharmaceutical producers in the world, but other than that I really can't think of anything.. Tourism? I feel like they'll be a Hawaii type state if and when they do join the Union.

EDIT: Found the flag idea

[Edited 2012-11-06 22:11:56]


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6015 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
Well they're one of the largest pharmaceutical producers in the world, but other than that I really can't think of anything.. Tourism?

Rum!



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5516 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
I saw one proposal that had it in a circle.. I wish that would come back as a possibility.

Can anyone take that one and "square" it to the corners of the blue? That could be interesting.

Tugg



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
Rum!

As a college student that should have been the first thing that came to mind.. I have clearly been awake too long..



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

I favour a random positioning of 51 stars. To be changed each fiscal new year.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7888 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
I favour a random positioning of 51 stars. To be changed each fiscal new year.

lol

I like the 1st one posted the best as well.

Why does PR have to "bring" anything to us? They are part of us, basically fellow citizens. I hold my arms wide open for them if they want to joins us states. If they wanted to be completely independent, I'd be fine with that. Personally, I hope they become a state  



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Why does PR have to "bring" anything to us?

No kidding. We took in West Virginia, so we can really never reject anyone for being backwards, third world, and generally useless.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2389 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
lol


No kidding. The Australians are already using my idea.


David



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 14):
We took in West Virginia

I though the Virginians kicked them out of Virginia  
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):

I saw one proposal that had it in a circle.. I wish that would come back as a possibility.

No way. Reeks of European Socialism. I like it straight.  

But seriously, not a fan of the circle.

Quoting flymia (Reply 1):
No way Republicans want PR in too.

The only "Republicans" that would think in such a manner have very swiftly become marginalized over the last 15 or so hours.

Both sides have consistently stated that they would support PR becoming a state, if that's what PR wanted.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
I though the Virginians kicked them out of Virginia

I'd kick out Virginia too if it wasn't for Norfolk and the Beltway.

I'd propose a trade: dump West Virginia and take on Puerto Rico. We lose a crappy state and don't have to buy new flags, PR gets to become part of the US, and West Virginia won't know the difference.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17443 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 8):
Well they're one of the largest pharmaceutical producers in the world

Were.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5598 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):

I'd propose a trade: dump West Virginia and take on Puerto Rico. We lose a crappy state and don't have to buy new flags, PR gets to become part of the US, and West Virginia won't know the difference.

No objections here  



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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6490 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 16):
Both sides have consistently stated that they would support PR becoming a state, if that's what PR wanted.

And actually as I stated, the Republican Party has actually historically been more in favor of Puerto Rican Statehood. In addition to the party affiliations of the two major parties of Puerto Rico, compare the two 2012 platforms here:

Democratic Party:

Quote:
We commit to moving resolution of the status issue forward with the goal of resolving it expeditiously. If local efforts in Puerto Rico to resolve the status issue do not provide a clear result in the short term, the President should support, and Congress should enact, self-executing legislation that specifies in advance for the people of Puerto Rico a set of clear status options, such as those recommended in the White House Task Force Report on Puerto Rico, which the United States is politically committed to fulfilling.
Republican Party:

Quote:
We support the right of the United States citizens of Puerto Rico to be admitted to the Union as a fully sovereign state after they freely so determine. We recognize that Congress has the final authority to define the constitutionally valid options for Puerto Rico to achieve a permanent non-territorial status with government by consent and full enfranchisement. As long as Puerto Rico is not a state, however, the will of its people regarding their political status should be ascertained by means of a general right of referendum or specific referenda sponsored by the U.S. government.

Judging by these two platforms, the Republican platform seems far more pro-statehood. The Democratic platform IMO doesn't seem to be very pro-statehood at all; it seems to be neutral on the issue. Should Puerto Rico be admitted, the Republican Party will probably make a big push to make Puerto Rico at least a swing state based on their historical pro-statehood stance.

[Edited 2012-11-07 14:49:47]


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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3421 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

DC should be officially represented (2 Sens. 1 Rep.) in Congress before PR statehood


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User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6214 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2689 times:

PR is not going to become a state anytime soon. Please.
Alejandro Garcia Padilla won, (he is the anti-statehood candidate), he and his party have stated this plebiscite will have no impact. This plebiscite was held eventhough Congress never gave the green light for it. The US for the time being will have 50 states, don't get too excited now. Any Puerto Rican (or anyone for that matter) who believes the status of PR will be resolved with this election either has no understanding of politics in PR or is delusional.

Regards,

Chepos



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Now is not the time for making Puerto Rico state number 51. Let's get our economic house in order and look before we leap. Many have told me that San Juan away from the beaches and resorts is akin to Detroit, Newark, or Camden NJ with hot weather, palm trees and the ocean nearby. Lets first help our fellow citizens in the Northeast put their lives back together in the aftermath of Frankenstorm Sandy. I'll leave it at that.


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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2656 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

zippyjet; Puerto Ricans are our fellow citizens as well. They pay U.S. federal income taxes and their sons register for the draft.

The thing I want to know however is, are there charming, historic, architecturally significant post offices in Puerto Rico?

If not, we must not only not make them a state, but jettison them as a commonwealth as well.

(I like historic post offices, see.)

[Edited 2012-11-07 20:18:45]


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25 cws818 : HAHAHA! This is the post of the year! Well done!!
26 bjorn14 : The big problem is that at least 5 states would have to a lose a representative. Probably coming from Big Blue states.
27 einsteinboricua : As a Puerto Rican who voted in these elections, here's my take on this: 1. The referendum was never given approval by Congress so I don't think Congre
28 slider : Then by those standards it's not and would never be considered a state. The only reason this would even be a discussion is because Obama wants more D
29 mham001 : Can somebody explain in simple terms why we would want them as a state?
30 Aesma : The article I mentioned reading earlier did discuss the Spanish/English implications of statehood. I would see that as a major hindrance to statehood
31 mham001 : I see it as a Greece - EU situation and I really don't see any benefit. In fact, I was hoping they would vote independence but Uncle Sam's teat is too
32 LFutia : I like this idea although hmm substitute Mississippi for West Virginia? Leo/ORD
33 garnetpalmetto : Or perform a merger. One of North Dakota/South Dakota, West Virginia/Virginia, or North Carolina/South Carolina merge into a single unified state. My
34 Post contains links AeroWesty : There's some economic benefit to be had—Puerto Ricans don't pay federal income tax (either personal or corporate), but they receive hundreds of mil
35 Post contains images scbriml : Enjoy! Does the GOP really need to increase the Hispanic population?
36 Alias1024 : Do you remember what these impediments were regarding Spanish/English and statehood? Many other nations face the difficulty of different languages be
37 BMI727 : Maybe if we can grab Guam or the Virgin Islands we could get rid of both. Part of the point is to not have to buy a new flag, which would just be ann
38 1337Delta764 : Actually, the GOP has historically been MORE supportive of Puerto Rican statehood than the Dems. As I already posted, if you compare the 2012 platfor
39 einsteinboricua : Correct. When the 1898 war was over and Spain ceded control of PR, Cuba, and the Philippines, it was agreed that Congress would hold the final say on
40 Aesma : Greece hadn't been controlled for more than a century by the EU before being allowed to enter the union. And really the problem with Greece is not th
41 Post contains links 1337Delta764 : And why would they be lying in their official platform? The GOP would never lie when it comes to such issues. Either way, the big blue states will be
42 Post contains links mham001 : I am comparing to economic status. The GDP per capita of Puerto Rico is 1/3 lower than our poorest state, Mississippi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L
43 LFutia : West Virginia... its where your daddy is your cousin! Leo/ORD
44 Post contains images zippyjet : I was on the floor lauging at that one. In the thread on the Christian Right, I proposed letting the Right have Utah and Louisiana as their mecca for
45 Post contains images jetblueguy22 : Why would you wanna get rid of North Dakota! We have oil! No more need to go overseas! . I think we need to kind of figure out what is going to be do
46 BMI727 : There's still Wisconsin.
47 einsteinboricua : Well, it sure hasn't looked like it. Back in 2000 and 2004 Republicans held control of all branches and not once did they even vote to begin the proc
48 johns624 : You might want to look into the history of WV. It was formed from the antislavery western end of VA during the Civil War. I'd say that that gives the
49 1337Delta764 : But remember that Fortuño is a solid Republican, and most (if not all) of his allies that that sponsored this referendum were also Republicans. Ther
50 Asturias : For Puerto Rico, I would have hoped for independence, rather than being part of the USA. If the state can stand on its own, it should. It is different
51 Post contains images AirframeAS : This is what I hope will happen. PR doesn't want to be a state, yet they receive federal funds frm the U.S. I think that needs to stop and let PR be
52 bjorn14 : I don't think 'Fly is into lesbians. I'm not in favor of statehood for DC either but I believe they should have full Congressional representation. Ta
53 Post contains links einsteinboricua : My point is not invalid, especially since people here don't elect officials for being Republicans or Democrats. Fortuño's running mate is a Democrat
54 Post contains links and images regupilot : Well, there's this 1900 something building: Post Office & Courthouse by National Register, on Flickr Thing is, some of you (even locals) mention
55 Post contains images Superfly : Ever heard of coal? Like it or not, coal is still a major source of energy in the United States and much of it comes from West Virginia. ??? I only p
56 Dreadnought : The whole idea of DC was that it be independent - that one state would not be the beneficiary of having the federal government and all that money the
57 einsteinboricua : I firmly support the idea that the future relation must be settled one way or another but I'm a realist: 1. The status quo has worked for me and to t
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