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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Remember when Ms Palin uttered the idiotic "How's all that hopey-changey-stuff workin' for ya now, Mr President ?" ?

I suspect BHO is definitely having the last laugh.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...f-rfa-macdonald-hopey-changey.html

Haven't heard anything from Saint Sarah since Tuesday night. I guess the plate of crow isn't finished yet.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1645 times:

All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment. You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

I wonder how many of you know a little bit about the history of Argentina. At the turn of the last century it was among the most powerful economies in the world (in the top 10). They blew it, and they have never recovered. Will this be the fate of the US by 2100?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8768 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Thank you for sharing this, what an interesting read.  

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment.

Concerning Sarah Palin, a bit of tit-for-tat is well inside the reasonable. People aren't mocking McCain, for instance, Palin set herself up for this.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

   All this childish whingeing from certain people here is just another disappointment.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
Will this be the fate of the US by 2100?

Seriously? You're asking for a prediction over the next 88 years?

[Edited 2012-11-08 14:34:28]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 3):
Palin set herself up for this.

What was Paul Ryan's wardrobe budget?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):

All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment

But not as disappointing as the last 4 years of Obama Bashing.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

Obviously you voted for Romney. He lost, but his supporters will probably spend the next 4 years continuing their Obama Bashing.

Not really a problem as it simply keeps the non-whites in this country voting Democrat.

As far as committing suicide, look to the last President who took this nation into a totally unnecessary 10 year war, maintained a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession.

And you're worried about Obama?         


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8768 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
What was Paul Ryan's wardrobe budget?

Bad AeroWesty!   

It's unlikely that he lost over his wardrobe budget, don't you think?  



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment. You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

I wonder how many of you know a little bit about the history of Argentina. At the turn of the last century it was among the most powerful economies in the world (in the top 10). They blew it, and they have never recovered. Will this be the fate of the US by 2100?

At least in Argentina people are more qual, aren't forced to study Christian propaganda in schools instead of evolution and aren't brainwashed by media to support unnecessary wars and other bad stuff. Economics are not that important, human lives should always be more important to money. The kind of capitalism without solidarity that Republicans would like to see creates only inequality and misery.

I hope percentage of Latin American origin people growing in United States will sink support towards racist Republican party even lower, that would be good for worldwide peace and whole humankind as that makes chances of some devil like George W Bush rising to power much lower. Maybe it will even force Republican party to get rid of their extremist and fundamentalist parts and actually make them to support more rational politics. Ron Paul would have been right guy to power, Romney certainly not. Thankfully Americans voted least bad from two bads, Obama.

[Edited 2012-11-08 14:38:36]


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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6957 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment. You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

You accuse people of being childish and don't wait more than a sentence to spout ridiculous stuff yourself.

On this forum Obama has been called names by his opponents for years, it's logical to see his supporters mock you a little.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):

I get this a huge victory for liberals everywhere, but I don't think that as a Canadian it's really your place to gloat. I'm actually a little embarrassed by how much Canadians care more about the American election than our own.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment. You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

Agreed that the gloating has been getting a little out of hand...but all this doomsday nonsense is equally as foolish.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):
aren't forced to study Christian propaganda in schools

Where are you hearing this?

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):

Things in the US aren't great, but they aren't as horrible as you seem to think. You should avoid accusing a country/party of being full of extremists while you hold some rather extreme views yourself.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

I rather think America took another step forward.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I wonder how many of you know a little bit about the history of Argentina.

Actually I do, since Grandpa was born there (Rosario, to be exact). Lived there into his teens. I have a great photo of him in a mini toreador outfit, complete with silver-buckled shoes and his pony tail tied with a ribbon. Whenever dad complained about my hair length I liked to haul the photo out.

Enjoy the next 4 years.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Obviously you voted for Romney. He lost, but his supporters will probably spend the next 4 years continuing their Obama Bashing.

Do you expect us to suddenly start agreeing with his policies - particularly economic ones?

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
As far as committing suicide, look to the last President who took this nation into a totally unnecessary 10 year war, maintained a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession.

Ah, so pointing to past errors excuses everything?

Quoting pvjin (Reply 7):
At least in Argentina people are more qual,

Check your stats. Argentina scores worse than the US on the GINI index (indicating more inequality of income) and 30% of the population is below the poverty, double that of the US.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

[quote=Ken777,reply=5]As far as committing suicide, look to the last President who took this nation into a totally unnecessary 10 year war, maintained a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession.


Ken;

That part about "totally unnecessary 10 year war"...........you neglected to put "IMHO" after your "remarks"; just because the "electorate" put Obummer "back in" is a hell of a long way from proving that he's "right"; the only thing it "proves", is that he is MUCH BETTER at "buying votes" from ignorant people (with other people's money), than Romney is.

And correct me if I'm wrong...........but I believe even you, (with all of your "spot on" economic "know how"), are a retiree, and are probably a medicare recipient; consider this FACT; the lunatic YOU just voted for, recently ROBBED Medicare out of 714 billion dollars (over the next 10 years) To me, that kinda looks like YOU just "sawed the limb off YOU were sitting on", BETWEEN you and the tree ! Lots of luck when you need your Medicare again, and it's BROKE.


I'm sitting here, listening to people "worrying about what Mitt Romney is going to do now" What a joke! May I remind you...........Mitt is STILL the 800 pound gorilla; and like the gorilla, Mitt is gonna "do" anything he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it ! ( Mitt has more money than he knows what to do with !) The bigger question to me is, WHY did he ever even WANT such a thankless job to start with ? I would think that only a complete narcissist like Obummer would want to fly around in "the taxpayer's big plane and show the world what a complete amateur he is.


And the part about..... "a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession".................you have been saying that in one form or another for the whole 2 yrs (and a few months) I've been on A.net, it was completely untrue then, it's untrue now, and it will continue to be untrue forever ! Saying it over and over and over again isn't going to make it true ! (Even though Alinsky said it would) People have pointed out to you WHY it's untrue, but you have always let it go in one ear and out the other. Saying George Bush "caused" the "great depression" is backwards ! Obummer (and his liberal buddies in the Senate) had FAR more to do with that sorry state of affairs than Dubya ever did ! (But that's history isn't it ?) Libs don't WANT a history lesson do they ? They just want to "celebrate".....(and "gloat") Take a VERY close look at where we are RIGHT NOW; and write it down, (so you remember it); then get it back out 4 years from now, and COMPARE "then" to "now"...............and see if you still fell like "celebrating and gloating" ! (Better yet, start another thread)........tell us how "well" the Amateur has done for you in his 2nd 4 years !



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

All that using disparaging remarks instead of the President's true name does is to reveal the poster's lack of patriotism and respect for the Office of the President.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
All this childish gloating from certain people here is is just another disappointment. You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

I'll say it again: if you think the ship is sinking, bail out. Don't you also have a Swiss passport?


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9):
Where are you hearing this?

At least based on news sites I have been reading in some states teaching evolution theory is not allowed, instead they teach creationism, and also city (?) of New York banned all use of some words that could insult someone, including dinosaur as fundamentalists do not believe in them.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):
I'm sitting here, listening to people "worrying about what Mitt Romney is going to do now" What a joke! May I remind you...........Mitt is STILL the 800 pound gorilla; and like the gorilla, Mitt is gonna "do" anything he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it ! ( Mitt has more money than he knows what to do with !) The bigger question to me is, WHY did he ever even WANT such a thankless job to start with ? I would think that only a complete narcissist like Obummer would want to fly around in "the taxpayer's big plane and show the world what a complete amateur he is.

Narcissist would never ever put money on social programs and such stuff while being rich himself, those people don't care about others. Romney and others of his kind meet definition of narcissist way better.

If you think that Romney would somehow magically turn around US economy and make everything better while whole Europe is still in economic crisis think again. It's worldwide economy, our economies are very much connected and US economy will stay down as long as rest of the world does, especially Europe.

Anyway, nice piece of Republican rage you got there, about as good quality and logical as your average anti-Obama Youtube comment written by religious nut job.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 12):


And the part about..... "a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession".................you have been saying that in one form or another for the whole 2 yrs (and a few months) I've been on A.net, it was completely untrue then, it's untrue now, and it will continue to be untrue forever ! Saying it over and over and over again isn't going to make it true ! (Even though Alinsky said it would) People have pointed out to you WHY it's untrue, but you have always let it go in one ear and out the other. Saying George Bush "caused" the "great depression" is backwards ! Obummer (and his liberal buddies in the Senate) had FAR more to do with that sorry state of affairs than Dubya ever did ! (But that's history isn't it ?) Libs don't WANT a history lesson do they ? They just want to "celebrate".....(and "gloat") Take a VERY close look at where we are RIGHT NOW; and write it down, (so you remember it); then get it back out 4 years from now, and COMPARE "then" to "now"...............and see if you still fell like "celebrating and gloating" ! (Better yet, start another thread)........tell us how "well" the Amateur has done for you in his 2nd 4 years !

For the most part I can't understand what the heck you're talking about here but I think he's making an important point that, here at least, you've failed to address. President Bush committed us to war- two wars- but expected us to be perfectly happy not caring beyond lip service, passing a tax cut at the same time and urging us to just carry on. That didn't cause the recession in itself, but it's bad policy and it definitely cost us a lot of money. And, IMO, cohesion as a nation. I could spend weeks carrying on my daily life without even knowing the country is at war beyond the random ribbon stickers on folks' cars. That's no way to run a country. "It is well that war is terrible, else we should grow too fond of it."


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11806 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1642 times:

The "hopey-changey stuff" really gets me because just look at the economy: stock market doubled, housing market moving, auto industry going strong.

I also don't understand why all the hatred toward Obama. I do, but it really does not help anything by constantly inventing ways to say how awful Obama is. He is not a savior by any strech, but he is better than W. But, according to the right-wing media, W is better. How does that work?

Also, the right tried so hard to keep people from voting. Democrats tried so hard to get people to the polls. But people still want to vote for the right?



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1640 times:

pvjin...........

Have you ever heard the old saying, "believe half of what you see, and NONE of what you read" ?

I don't remember exactly who came up with that originally, but whoever it was, was trying to make a point; namely, that much of what you read, (especially in so-called "newspapers") (and super-market tabloids), is very apt to be false, untrue, cock-eyed, or just plain old "BS". (in other words, it's about as accurate as what you see in the "movies" ! )

It rather sounds as if you may have been reading the New York Times; ( or possibly "Hustler" magazine ! ) There's a LOT of cock-eyed, backwards, (and occasionally, just plain "made up" nonsense ) in both of those two "rags".

First of all, many years ago, there actually WERE a few states in the U.S. that attempted to outlaw the teaching of evolution in public schools; Tennessee comes immediately to mind............they tried to outlaw the teaching of evolution, made quite a "stink" of it for a while, but I can tell you, those days are far behind us.

Now, as for "New York".......... ( I presume you mean New York City ).............we have a rather "unusual" situation there since just after September 11, 2001; The folks in NYC elected a new mayor then, a man named Michael Bloomberg. Mayor Bloomberg is extremely wealthy, he's extremely intelligent, is a very "wise" fellow (in certain respects), but he DOES have a few "quirks" !

One of his "quirks" is, he has this penchent for dreaming up some extremely "goofy" laws; ( such as outlawing the sale of soda-pop (soft drinks), in containers larger than.........(it's hard to keep up.....is it 16 oz. now, or 22 oz ?) Also, I believe this "law" only applies to restaurants; so, if you buy your soda-pop at say, a super-market, I suppose it would be perfectly O.K. if THEY sold it in 5 gallon "jugs"! (what a goofy law !) That one didn't go over so well ! Now, knowing how Mayor Bloomberg "is"............trying to "outlaw" the calling of anyone a dinosaur DOES sound like something he would come up with, but to my knowledge as of now, I haven't heard of any such "effort" on the part of Mayor Bloomberg. (But if I were to hear tomorrow that he was actually trying to pass such a "law", it wouldn't surprise me a bit ! )

Actually, "laws" are made by states and the Federal Government; cities and towns just "pass" ordnances.

While we're on this subject, I'm unaware of any state or federal law making it a crime to "insult" someone; (there ARE certain "words" that WILL cause such a "ruckus" that there may as well be a law against calling anyone "that", but I think I can safely say, there are no laws against calling anyone a dinosaur ! (whether "fundamentalists" believe in them or not !) also, if you run across any "fundamentalists" that don't believe in dinosaurs, tell them to come see my outstanding collection of trilobites and crinoids; all of these "things" lived (and became extinct) many millions of years BEFORE dinosaurs even existed. Not only that, but I should also mention, there is thousands of times more fossil evidence of the existence of dinosaurs, than there is for the "validity" of Obamanomics !

IMO, anyone not believing that dinosaurs "existed" on this earth, (from the very early triassic, until the lower cretaceous), makes about as much sense as "believing" that Adolf Hitler was a "nice guy"!

Just a suggestion.............if you wish to get intelligent, timely, and true information about the world, and the countries in the world, you would do well to read National Geographic Magazine or The Wall Street Journal; both are very well respected, and can be counted on to dispense truthful information.

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1640 times:

I think it was this one, though copied and translated to Finnish news website from which I read it from. It wasn't actually about insulting but using word "dinosaur" and certain other words in school teachings and exams & such.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...like-dinosaur-Halloween-tests.html

I have no idea if this stuff actually passed and happens in practice, unlike with domestic news with foreign ones it's kind of difficult to filter what is total rubbish and what actually has at least some truth behind it.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 1583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 11):

Wow, sounds like one of those Fox news rants  . This is the kind of filth that is driving the two sides apart.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I wonder how many of you know a little bit about the history of Argentina. At the turn of the last century it was among the most powerful economies in the world (in the top 10). They blew it, and they have never recovered. Will this be the fate of the US by 2100?

Nations rise and fall. The U.S. is probably past its prime. Still, the state of the economy in 2100 has nothing to do with whether Obama or Romney was elected. In the great scheme of things, their agendas are virtually the same. I'd have serious problems explaining their differences to a young child without resorting to empty shell words. I'd probably say "Obama wants to help people and Romney wants them to fend for themselves" or some such, but on which concrete point are they actually fundamentally different?



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
I get this a huge victory for liberals everywhere, but I don't think that as a Canadian it's really your place to gloat. I'm actually a little embarrassed by how much Canadians care more about the American election than our own.

  

We are going to see a lot more of it too. The card-carrying members of the Liberal Party in the Bob Rae camp have been feverishly taking notes during the entire US election campaign. Now that the election is over, they are going to adopt the Obama campaign strategy, complete with the mudslinging from both parties, and apply it to their own campaign. The next step is to gloat via the CBC, Ottawa Citizen, and UofO PR machine about what the Democrats did right, and what the Republicans did wrong, and link that all back to Canada. The idea is to re-capture the hearts and minds of Ontario and Quebec. One thing we'll definitely see over the next couple of years is the classic East vs. West mudslinging from the Trudeau/Chrétien era, which Mulcair and the NDP already started rolling the ball on.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
look to the last President who took this nation into a totally unnecessary 10 year war, maintained a Guns & Butter & Cake economy even as the economy tanked and left the nation in The Great Recession.

  

Even though the Bush administration expedited the crash, the writing was on the wall over 20 years ago when the crooked banks and investment firms were setting the economy up for failure at the expense of the middle class. Most of the blame lies squarely on the people for turning a blind eye to it until it was too late. It can be argued that the Europeans set themselves up as well, but that's for another thread.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 19):
"believe half of what you see, and NONE of what you read"

  



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Regardless of who was getting into the presidential seat of power the economy is not going to improve overnight. that really is "Hopey-changey" nonsense to believe. The system has flaws for which there are no signs of being corrected by either candidate in a hurry.

User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
according to the right-wing media, W is better. How does that work?

Because under GWB the country was booming. But along with any boom comes a bust...which conveniently came at the end of his watch as he was handing it over to Obama.

I met a guy recently who had shut down his business on the day Obama took office, he told me that 'there was no way I was going to be able to run a business with him in power'. Absolute BS. You're just an extremist who wants to be a drama queen. Seriously, instead of b1tching and moaning about how the other party will ruin the place, get on with life and stop making excuses. Like a lot of the people who have given up looking for work...looking to blame someone else so they can hide their own shortcomings/laziness. There's a LOT of jobs out there, but some people would rather whine about how bad things are than get on and make a go of it.



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 25):
Because under GWB the country was booming.

What was really booming?

A totally unnecessary war in Iraq was causing a boom market for military contractors.

Disregarding oversight of the financial sector generated a boom in housing, finance, banking.

The refunding of the budget surplus (even after it was gone) generated in a boom in the deficit.

We had a false economy and a boom built on horrid decisions that conservatives delivered,


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11806 posts, RR: 15
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 24):
Regardless of who was getting into the presidential seat of power the economy is not going to improve overnight.

That brings up another popular right-wing talking point that I see going around the interwebs lately: Gas prices are too high!! Obama did it!! He hates Americans because gas prices are high!!

oy vey...



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 26):
We had a false economy and a boom built on horrid decisions that conservatives delivered,

I believe the word you are looking for is: "bubble." As in MOAR BUHBULS!!!  

If you weren't in finance, 2000-2008 never felt like an economy. It felt like a recession in which people were getting houses for free.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 28, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 26):
Disregarding oversight of the financial sector generated a boom in housing, finance, banking.

  

Like I said, that was going on long before Bush was elected. The entire country was conveniently looking the other way, well back into the 90's. The Bush administration prolonged the problem, and expedited the crash by spending like drunken sailors and selling out to the Chinese.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6631 posts, RR: 21
Reply 29, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
I wonder how many of you know a little bit about the history of Argentina. At the turn of the last century it was among the most powerful economies in the world (in the top 10). They blew it, and they have never recovered. Will this be the fate of the US by 2100?

If that's the case......it started with Mr. Bush



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2610 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
You might be happy to see a once-great nation committing suicide. I'm not.

That's just a tad melodramatic, don't you think? Sounds a lot like some of my left-leaning friends who in 2004 were sure the republic was doomed, a police state was coming, Bush would somehow get the 2008 election suspended and stay in power - that wholesale environmental carnage would ensue by logging, mining and oil drilling, etc, etc.
I'll say to you the same thing I said to them - relax, we'll get through it. I have a feeling the good ol' US of A will be alive and well come 2016. And if not, at least I can say to people "don't blame me, I didn't vote for Obama"


User currently offlineblueflyer From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jan 2006, 4186 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
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Megyn Kelly told Karl Rove in not so many words to stop his ranting and get over it: Obama won.
That is the "hopey-changey-stuff" that makes me think there is still, well, hope...

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
I'll say it again: if you think the ship is sinking, bail out.

I wish they would, but no country in the world is ready to accept their insane delusions.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 8):
I'm actually a little embarrassed by how much Canadians care more about the American election than our own.

You have elections?!?



I've got $h*t to do
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 32, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 32):
You have elections?!?

Yep. Whichever candidate has the most hockey sticks in his pile wins. Needless to say, recounts take forever!   



Flying refined.
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 33, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting ER757 (Reply 31):
I'll say to you the same thing I said to them - relax, we'll get through it. I have a feeling the good ol' US of A will be alive and well come 2016. And if not, at least I can say to people "don't blame me, I didn't vote for Obama"

   The US has survived almost total collapse in the 1780s, the Civil War, the Great Depression, etc... I'm sure it can survive a democrat president that has, well, implemented only one huge idea (healthcare) and a few other minor things. I mean, really, look back in the last 4 years... he hasn't done much. Even if you think he has done "a lot" it's not that much you can't reverse.

I'll agree with spending, that needs to get under control for sure. But that wasn't all President Obama, and honestly, I don't think Romney would do much for the debt either.

I was under the impression once that President Obama was terrible for our country... it's hard to do, but look past the media (FOX news and other right-leaning sources count as the media) and look at the big picture. At the very worse case, we ain't that much worse off, and at the best case, we are improving. The USA isn't going anywhere soon. Trust me



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
I mean, really, look back in the last 4 years... he hasn't done much. Even if you think he has done "a lot" it's not that much you can't reverse.

Obama achieved the basics of turning the financial crisis around and starting it on the long path back. Major achievement there IMO.

He also delivered on his goal of getting out of Iraq and setting a date to get out of Afghanistan. Major achievement there IMO.

And most importantly for many Americans, he delivered on health care reform. It could have been better - but he was fortunate to achieve as much as he did. With the 2012 election victory that law is pretty well set. No Republican will be able to destroy the achievements and benefits in 2016.

If you look back over those 4 years Obama really achieved a lot. And it was a lot of good things, as opposed to what the GOP delivered in the 8 years of a Red White House.


User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1702 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 15):
Narcissist would never ever put money on social programs and such stuff while being rich himself, those people don't care about others. Romney and others of his kind meet definition of narcissist way better.

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pvjin...........

First, let me just say, I have greatly admired the Finnish people, ever since they "took on" the the Russian Bear many, many years ago, ( and really gave them a fit for a while !) And your ability with English is impressive, because I don't know a single word of Finnish; so I realize we have a bit of a language "gap" here. I also realize that unless you are living here in the U.S., I obviously haves a lot more access to the events occurring in this country, than people in Finland would have. With that thought in mind, I must point out a couple of things to you; In English, the word "narcissist" denotes one who is completely in love with one's self, with the exclusion of any and all feelings for other people. That definition FITS Barack Obama, better than any suit of clothing he owns ! Second; I can easily tell that you have very little regard for Mitt Romney; I'm not terribly "big" on his religion myself, but as a person, as an American, as a leader, I can guarantee you this.........Mitt Romney is a hundred times better person, better business man, better American, and would have made a better president than Obama will ever be. You don't have to take my word for that; in the next 4 years, Obama will PROVE that what I'm saying is right.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 20):
I have no idea if this stuff actually passed and happens in practice, unlike with domestic news with foreign ones it's kind of difficult to filter what is total rubbish and what actually has at least some truth behind it.

I'm sure you have more information relative to events in the U.S. than we do of things happening in Finland; but it all boils down to who you get your information from. If you believe what you hear in our so-called "mainstream media" (what a joke) you will continue to have a very dim view of the U.S. ( Had you been alive during World War 2, your "view" of our country would be completely different. )

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
The US has survived almost total collapse in the 1780s, the Civil War, the Great Depression, etc... I'm sure it can survive a democrat president that has, well, implemented only one huge idea (healthcare) and a few other minor things. I mean, really, look back in the last 4 years... he hasn't done much. Even if you think he has done "a lot" it's not that much you can't reverse.

DeltaMD90..........when you say, "I'm sure "it" (The U.S.) can survive............that's a HUGE and sweeping statement.........one that that you have not ONE OUNCE of proof of; and you think the ONLY thing Obama has "been up to" is Obamacare ? Have you discussed this with any doctors ? (other than ones on A.net) Do you have ANY understanding of what this monstrosity is going to do, over the next 10 years ? I suggest you read it; (all 2,750 pages of it)

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 34):
At the very worse case, we ain't that much worse off, and at the best case, we are improving. The USA isn't going anywhere soon. Trust me

Tell me something...........do you have ANY real concept of what a "TRILLION dollars is ? and we're "not much worse off"........do you not realize that in just FOUR YEARS, this fool, and the FOOLS in the U.S.Senate have put this country SEVEN MORE TRILLIONS of dollars in debt than we were when he took office ? and you call this "not much worse off" ?
We're not debating politics here ! We're discussing 4th grade arithmetic ! You know, like 2+2= 4 ! And do you think that HUGE number is just some "phantasy that FoxNews dreamed up" ? If you think that, you're WAY off ! Much of it is recorded in a computer drive in Mainline China; (because that's who WE owe it to !) Let me ask you this.........seriously......do you think the Chinese are "dumb" ? ( as in, say, like when we have NO way to repay that sum, they'll just say, "oh, whenever it's convenient for you" If you think that...... you're even wronger than I think you are !

I think you are a student; (correct me if I'm wrong) I know you're not stupid; (I've been here long enough to know who the "stupes" are) As a student........have you ever attempted to "make "something" out of "nothing" ? Like, if you owed $1,000, and the bank wants it NOW, did you ever try to just "print up" $1,000 and pay them off that way ? If you have, you already KNOW it won't work. If you haven't tried it, believe me, it WON"T WORK, so don't try to do it now. But wait a minute.........you, me, we're just "individuals"; individuals can't "make money" out of thin air ! But countries CAN ! and they have been doing it for years and years and years now ! Just ask Ben Bernanke ! He's STILL doing it ! (at least he THINKS he's doing it) there's a VERY old "saying"...........maybe you've head it before............THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH ! It may seem to be free at the time, but there's a HUGE "catch" ! Listen, you don't have to "take my word" for anything; all you have to do, is read a history book; check out what happened in Germany just after WW 1; their "money" (which was PAPER, just like those dollar bills in your pocket) suddenly became WORTHLESS ! Think that can't happen here ? Think Obama can stop it from happening ? When he's working overtime, trying to MAKE it happen! You need to do some SERIOUS studying, my young man; it's ALREADY HAPPENING !

If I never post another word on this forum, it isn't going to make one iota of difference to YOU, or to ME; what's "happening" and will continue to happen, is MUCH bigger than any single person; so if you hear on Fox News, two 747's just had a "head-on" over Times Square, just turn the TV off and it won't be true any longer. Over the next 4 years, you won't NEED a TV to know "what's happening".........because you're going to be able to FEEL it !

Tell me this.........when all of those 14 million undocumented aliens start getting THEIR FREE healthcare, do you suppose there will suddenly be however many more doctors, nurses and hospitals that are needed to "take care of them", (like maybe Obama is going to wave his magic wand, and just "create" out of thin air, thousands and thousands more doctors..............or ............do you think that just maybe, the line to every doctor's office will start getting longer and longer ?

Hey........did you hear.......they had this huge storm up in NYC ! Anyone here in NYC ? How much was gas up there last month ? How's that....$4.00 a gallon ? How much is it now ? Can you still get it for $4.00 ? Uh.....why not ? (maybe you can get Obama to "get rid of" the law of supply and demand ! ) Meantime, good luck to you guys in NYC; I feel for you....I truly do; but what can I do ? what can anyone "do" ? If I, (or anyone else) had got on non-av a month ago, and said NYC was gonna be six feet deep, and gas was gonna be (whatever it is, and I hope that $30/gal isn't true, everyone on A.net would have said "you're nuts". So have fun, maybe you can think up a few new names to call me; ( like the guy a few replies back who questioned my "patriotism" ) ( and I doubt if he's ever even served ) maybe that will have great influence with the Chicoms when they decide to pull the rug out from under our dollar ! (But don't bet on it !)

One more prediction............because this is more than 2 sentences long, and because the "folks" on here don't agree with my"common sense" views of politics, this post WILL BE CALLED.........a "RANT" ! (which the "caller" assumes it will "make it so".)

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5554 posts, RR: 13
Reply 36, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 2):



Agreed!    She brought a lot of the sh*t on herself. And it didn't help her that her daughter went out and got her self knocked up by a douche bag and had his love child. And Ms. Palin is part of that GOP big on family values schtick.
Her patronizing obnoxious down home bravado didn't help her much either. Many on the right still chide old Al Gore about his Inventing the Internet statement and his Global Warming cinematic epic. If we are going tit for tat. And then there are still people that are still crowing about President Clinton getting a BJ by that fat cow intern back in the day. Even wasting tax payer money with that whole special prosecutor. OK, not the most moral of acts but what does getting his nob polished have to do with his running the country. Most people liked Clinton's Presidency count me in on that.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1699 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
DeltaMD90..........when you say, "I'm sure "it" (The U.S.) can survive............that's a HUGE and sweeping statement.........one that that you have not ONE OUNCE of proof of

If I had a nickel for every ironic thing in this post.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 38, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
DeltaMD90..........when you say, "I'm sure "it" (The U.S.) can survive............that's a HUGE and sweeping statement.........one that that you have not ONE OUNCE of proof of

At the end of the day, nobody in this thread can prove anything they've said regarding Obama's second term. That is unless they have a time machine and aren't letting others have turns.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
do you not realize that in just FOUR YEARS, this fool, and the FOOLS in the U.S.Senate have put this country SEVEN MORE TRILLIONS of dollars in debt than we were when he took office ? and you call this "not much worse off" ?
Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
We're not debating politics here ! We're discussing 4th grade arithmetic ! You know, like 2+2= 4 !

I am by no means anti-Romney, but do you think that would drastically improved had he won? I passed 4th grade arithmetic with flying colours, so I'm pretty qualified to say that his desire to increase defense spending would have done nothing to help the debt situation.

But I've been saying all along, neither candidate really had a solid plan on how to reduce the deficit significantly.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
when all of those 14 million undocumented aliens

I've always wondered: if they're undocumented, how do you know there are 14 million of them?

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
they'll just say, "oh, whenever it's convenient for you" If you think that...... you're even wronger than I think you are !

Actually I think they will. Like any loan, it accrues interest over time. So the longer it takes the US to pay China back, the more money they will make in the end. So long as China doesn't need the money right away, I'm sure they're more than happy to sit back and watch the current value of their outstanding loan increase.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
this post WILL BE CALLED.........a "RANT" !

Well it kind of is...



Flying refined.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20358 posts, RR: 59
Reply 39, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
do you not realize that in just FOUR YEARS, this fool, and the FOOLS in the U.S.Senate have put this country SEVEN MORE TRILLIONS of dollars in debt than we were when he took office ? and you call this "not much worse off" ?

No, I don't realize it because they didn't. The previous administration caused about 1/2 of that debt with their absurd tax cuts on the wealthy combined with a war. The bill, of course, came after the switch in administration, which was convenient for the GOP who could then get their minions (apparently you're one of them) to believe that it was all Obama's fault.

Mr. Obama tried to stop that, but when the Democrats sat down with the GOP at the beginning of the 2010 session to talk about this, the GOP said: "We can't play." Those words exactly. We're not going to negotiate with you. So either you do it our way or the country tanks. And then they blamed it on the Democrats. Why? Because they thought that they could fool the American public into thinking it was the Democrats fault if they grabbed the wheel and steered us over the waterfall. The majority of us, apparently, weren't fooled. Apparently you were.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):
We're not debating politics here ! We're discussing 4th grade arithmetic ! You know, like 2+2= 4 ! And do you think that HUGE number is just some "phantasy that FoxNews dreamed up" ? If you think that, you're WAY off ! Much of it is recorded in a computer drive in Mainline China; (because that's who WE owe it to !)

OK, you want facts? Let's work with some facts. We owe 8% of our national debt to China. That's all. China is the single largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, yes. But that's not surprising given that they are the largest country in the world, now, is it? And in spite of that, Japan owns almost as large a share. I don't hear you ragging about the hard drive in Japan with their number.

Do you know what the two biggest holders of U.S. debt are? The Social Security Trust Fund that everyone keeps ragging against and the Federal Reserve. The American people own about $1 trillion of the debt.

The rest of your post is full of similar "facts" that are actually fiction.

But let's finish with some math. If you add $1 trillion to the defense budget every year, even though the DoD says they don't need it, and then you don't raise taxes to pay for it, do you know what happens to the debt? I sure do. That's one of many reasons I'm glad Mr. Obama won.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7980 posts, RR: 51
Reply 40, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 36):

Look, I'm not arguing that our country has some problems. We have a lot of work, and no one admits the President is perfect. As you probably know, I'm moderate/slightly right/Libertarian (somewhere around there,) basically, I'm not a liberal so I've got no "agenda" defending the President. I've just seen a lot of hyperbole and hysteria concerning the President in the last 4 years.

I'd rather not go into details on what I agree and disagree with concerning the President (my Commander in Chief) but despite my disagreements in some areas, all I am saying is I don't think he's as bad as many make him out to be. The US NEEDS to cut spending, yet I don't think we're a few months away from being the next Greece. I think Obamacare has some flaws (some big) but I don't think it will destroy the US economy. I think the President at times could take a stronger stance in some areas but I don't think China or Russia (LOL) are going to be invading us anytime soon.

And don't think I'm singling out conservatives here--liberals have many flaws as well--but lately, it seems that everyone I've talked to that is right of center thinks the SAME exact things, just knowing what media/figures they listen to I know exactly what they think about the alleged "polling bias," "Benghazi-gate," outcome of the election, etc... basically, I think the anti-Obama sentiment has created a kind of exaggerated reality many were living in where Obama can do NO good.

I don't know if that makes sense, it's hard to explain. My underlying point is that the President isn't nearly as bad as anyone says, and many problems plaguing our country have nothing to do with the President (and some I'd argue, have to do with Republicans (and Democrats) creating gridlock in Congress.) JMO, and that is why I think Romney lost--the painted the opposition as something way worse than he actually was (ironically, that's what the GOP claimed the President did to Romney)



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Reply 41, posted (2 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1679 times:
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