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User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

This pretty much says it all.....
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.
http://ileanajohnson.com/?p=287#more-287

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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

I think Republicans and Teabaggers are the biggest drama queens in the universe....and trust me, i've been around a few in my 50 years.

 


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):

I think Republicans and Teabaggers are the biggest drama queens in the universe.

That's about it.

But let's add that they are unable to see past their tax shelters. My Aussie brother-in-law in a Skype video chat told my wife that one poll in Australia had 95% of Australians wanting Obama to win. I wouldn't be surprised if strong majorities in other advanced countries didn't feel the same. Maybe not that strong a majority, but strong majorities.

Personally I feel far safer with a President that works hard to pull us out of a massive recession than the President that drug us into that Great Recession.

As far as "trajectories" go, the Bush/Cheney Trajectory headed directly South. Anything is an improvement over that.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Oh brother. I don't even know where to begin. This seems to be the narrative I'm hearing emerging: President Obama did win fair and square, but it's because everyone is dependent on government on stuff.

Well guess what, there are lazy leeching liberals that are doing nothing good for this country, but there are PLENTY of good, hard working, productive liberals out there. I think you may misunderstand their message: It's not that they want to give handouts to everyone too lazy to work, they want to make a level playing field so that everyone has a shot to work hard and achieve their goals.

Liberals acknowledge that there will always be "welfare queens" and that is the reality in giving everyone a fair shot. A conservative example (just to make a point, I'm not condoning anything): we know military action will result in some collateral damage/civilian deaths, but we shouldn't stop all military action because of that. (for the record, I'm anti-war most of the time, I'm just trying to make a point.)

Now you are free to disagree with that line of thinking... but please at least understand what exactly their message is. Maybe it will make sense to you, and you might have a good idea that goes in that direction but still stays within the conservative line of thinking (aka, a compromise.)

America has been through much worse and will continue to do well. Despite a global recession and what you think is an ineffective President, we are recovering, slowly. Under these worse case scenarios, we are recovering. We'll be fine.

This coming from a right-leaning person... it just helps to understand the other side



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User currently offlinepu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 724 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

The ignorance of the article's author is astonishing.

I am saddened by the loss of millions and millions of American soldiers who have died....


There hasn't been "millions and millions" of American soldiers who have died. Ever. Total. Anywhere.



Pu


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Quoting johnboy (Reply 1):
Teabaggers

When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger) you're not doing anyone any good. Here I am trying to convey you and other liberals' points of view and all you're gonna do is enrage him and set up a pissing match with insults flying anywhere.

May be koom-bie-ah-ish (however you spell it) but really, let's have a real discussion instead of fulfilling, in many's minds, a liberal stereotype of throwing insults around



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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Oh no, the less conservative candidate won twice. Hey listen. You've got to put up with your electoral defeats as well as your failures. It's how we built this country. Maybe you do know the true path, maybe you have information unrevealed to the world about how people who have never once even mentioned socialism and have never affected any serious structural change to the current free enterprise system are actually communists, or that assistance from the government hypnotizes people into voting for the guy with the (D) next to his name. Maybe you do.

But if you really value the creed of this country, you have to recognize that the changes, the improvements, they weren't made by the people who had the purest motivations and goals alone. They were made by elections and votes; ergo by people who had their own reasons, and their own opinions, just as much as the zealots convinced they were right.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20740 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

I hate to be too cynical here, but this woman has already turned her back on one country, I'm sure she's looking for another today. Good riddance if you can't be a Good American and accept defeat with grace.


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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3656 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Pretty much in tune with the doomsday posts I have been reading on FB and other social network websites. It is the end of America as we know it blah blah blah.

Quote:
How long we will still have freedom of speech, movement, assembly, and control of our private property remains to be seen. Faith and churches will be driven underground; allowing secularism to prosper and take deep roots among the progressives whose God is Mother Earth.

Ummm, what?

Quote:
The welfare dependent Americans, unions, and illegal aliens have chosen for the rest of us the dark path of serfdom to big government and to socialist utopia.

And they keep marginalizing the American voters who voted for Obama. They HAVE to either be lazy or illegal aliens, they just have to! Even sadder that people comment on this piece, calling it "inspirational" and an "eye-opener"...


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting pu (Reply 4):
There hasn't been "millions and millions" of American soldiers who have died. Ever. Total. Anywhere.

Maybe if you count veterans that die of natural causes.

Frankly, if Spain and Greece haven't imploded yet, there is no reason why the US won't survive four years of Democratic power.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
This pretty much says it all.....
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

Yes it does. the GOP is full of a bunch of self entitled crybabies, that do not understand that there is a necessary Ying and Yang and a pull between the two that establishes the balance of this Democratic Republc. a few years of democratic goverment followed by a few years of republican government is a good thing. It is when there are long periods of unchecked leadership that true disasters occur.



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
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Quoting Ken777 (Reply 2):
My Aussie brother-in-law in a Skype video chat told my wife that one poll in Australia had 95% of Australians wanting Obama to win.

That's great and all. But he doesn't represent the Australian people, he represents the American people. I'm glad he is liked abroad but he still has to keep us happy at home.

I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
Blue



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

I think i'm going to print that out just so I can wipe my ass with it. Thanks.


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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger)

Is it really?



I understand most of us think about the double entendre and giggle, but is it really that offensive and outrageous to call people who dress up like tea bags, and hang tea bags around their hats as 'teabaggers'.

Cue an inevitable speech about liberals are so politically correct...



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User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):
I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
Blue

And from an Aussie perspective, it's refreshing to hear a Republican voter with a reasoned perspective.

The fundamentalist politicking of the teabaggers (I choose that term of derisions specifically, as I see many Tea Party policies as offensive as the practice of teabagging), along with the senate Democrats will have impacts outside the USA and compromise seems to be the only way forward.


User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

"Representative Allen West lost his seat by a narrow margin to the infamous Wasserman Schultz from Florida."

Uhh...

No, they're completely separate districts. Patrick Murphy beat West. DWS easily won her election.

Why would the author think 2 incumbent representatives would be facing each other? That's about as stupid as the rest of it.



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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4416 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
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Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Liberals acknowledge that there will always be "welfare queens" and that is the reality in giving everyone a fair shot. A conservative example (just to make a point, I'm not condoning anything): we know military action will result in some collateral damage/civilian deaths, but we shouldn't stop all military action because of that. (for the record, I'm anti-war most of the time, I'm just trying to make a point.)

Now you are free to disagree with that line of thinking... but please at least understand what exactly their message is. Maybe it will make sense to you, and you might have a good idea that goes in that direction but still stays within the conservative line of thinking (aka, a compromise.)
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Under these worse case scenarios, we are recovering. We'll be fine.

I consider myself Republican and I respect the views of others. I have a few concerns though:

Looming tax increaes due to the Bush tax cuts expiring may slow economic growth. However due to increasing debt, I don't see these cuts being extended by Obama. Whether Romney would, I don't know.

Employers hiring less due to Obama Care requirements. You either need to reduce your workforce to less than 50 full-time employees or reduce their hours to under 30 hours per week. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction

People like me who are otherwise healthy, seeing a huge increase in health insurance premiums. As a college student I can not afford this.

Increased government regulations making it more costly and harder for businesses to do business. It is to the point here in Iowa where you can get in serious legal trouble from the Iowa DNR (the EPA is behind this) for too much cow poop contaiminating the ground, even in a small family run farming operation. Things that haven't been issues ever before suddenly are.

And on a personal note regardless of which side you are on, I can not stand these young women and others on Facebook stating they are excited they will still get free cell phones and birth control. It is incredibly narrow minded to think that way when much more important things like the millions are still unemployed and the debt continues to increase.

[Edited 2012-11-08 21:51:56]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19948 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY

The only thing that has died is some fantasy country that never existed where everyone has dyed blonde hair, goes to the same church, and smiles all the time.

This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago. We could be doing better, but when the GOP took the House in 2010 and flat-out said that they were going to make the country fail to get rid of Obama, well... that's the result. They thought that the American people were stupid enough to not notice what they were doing and would blame it on Obama. It was horribly cynical of them but apparently about 48% of voters fell for it.

They flat out said it, folks. So if you still think this is all the falt of "liberals" (and Obama is not a liberal, really), then you weren't paying attention.

But if you really think it's that dire, there are plenty of countries with more conservative economic and social policies. There's Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Iran (although don't they have universal healthcare?), Indonesia, the UAE, and if you *really* hate big government, Somalia. I'm not being facetious. As far as industrialized democracies go, we're as conservative as it gets.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago

Even with the possible fiscal cliff? We may be okay right now. But whats to say 6 months down the road we aren't in the beginning of another recession. I'm not out saying "Oh it's Obama's fault!" I'm hoping the WSJ and CBO are wrong about this fiscal cliff. But we are still in real uncertain times. Better than 4 years ago, but theres no reason to think it is just going up.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
but when the GOP took the House in 2010 and flat-out said that they were going to make the country fail to get rid of Obama,

Can you provide a link? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to read what was said and by whom.
Blue



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2594 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):


I appreciate your post and believe it or not, I appreciate your discourse on this web site.
But that's not me, and I don't expect everyone to like it. To me they'll always be Teabaggers and anathema to this country. Didn't used to think that way, but then this is not my father's Republican Party.

John


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19948 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 18):
Can you provide a link? I'm not saying I don't believe you, I just want to read what was said and by whom.

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." We all remember that, right?

And then:

http://blogcritics.org/politics/arti...hope-obama-fails-just-took/page-2/

Quote:
David Obey, then chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, met with his GOP counterpart, Jerry Lewis, to explain what Democrats had in mind for the stimulus and ask what Republicans wanted to include. Jerry’s response was, "I’m sorry, but leadership tells us we can’t play,” Obey told me. “Exact quote: ‘We can’t play.’ What they said right from the get-go was, It doesn’t matter what the hell you do, we ain’t going to help you. We’re going to stand on the sidelines and bitch.”

Remember Boehner's comment after the first debt ceiling talks? "I got 98% of what I wanted." And then he turned around and accused the Democrats of not negotiating in good faith and not being willing to budge. But Americans seem to have really short memories.

But of more recent memory was the October jobs report. Remember the GOP reaction to that? A loyal party would be happy. The GOP was not. Outrage! Conspiracy! Investigation! They really need to work on their poker faces.

The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Of course they aren't stupid enough to say it outright, although I would love to see if they have it in their internal documents on strategy. "Leadership says we can't play."

Then there's this article, too. The Fed tries to maintain the economic growth and who wants to stop them? Well, have a guess: http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...s/2012/06/05/gJQAht78GV_story.html

Reid came out and said it: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...ic-cantor-of-economic-sabotage.php

You can dismiss it as me being blindly partisan... except I'm actually not. It's just that the GOP since about 2000 has been so blindingly wrong about almost everything that it's hard to sound balanced. But hey, it's exactly what Barry Goldwater predicted would happen.


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):

oh please...spare me. Please, wander back over to Redstate. People need to stop drinking the kool-aid and stop watching Fox News.


User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):
I'm so sick of these doomsday posts. I'm a republican that voted for Romney and this whole destruction talk is just sad. We are such a closed minded country it is pathetic. Why can't we focus on the positives and start working together to fix this country. Republicans and Democrats, even though many claim it is only the republicans unwilling. It works both ways. If you don't vote for him or want him reelected, fine. But he isn't just the president. He is our president. And although I may not agree with a lot of what he does, I wish him the best.
Blue

finally some rationality coming from a Republican. Thing is, im sorry, but you guys really need to turn off Fox News and their ilk. Its poisoning the rational discourse in this country.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 15):
Why would the author think 2 incumbent representatives would be facing each other? That's about as stupid as the rest of it.

It happened in Texas in the 2000s. After the 2001 redistricting did not give the Republicans a majority of the House of Representatives seats - Tom Delay orchestrated a campaign to elect Republican 'super majorities' to the Texas House and Senate.

In 2003, the new Texas Legislature threw out the 2001 Congressional District redistricting map, and implemented a partisan Republican map.

Martin Frost - a Democratic Representative from Fort Worth, who was a personal enemy of DeLay, found his district broken into many small pieces - and Frost ended up running for re-election against another incumbent - Republican Pete Sessions - who won the revised district.

The Texas 23rd district was redrawn to put two Democrat incumbents running against each other in the Primary.

[Edited 2012-11-09 01:41:39]

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." We all remember that, right?

Here's the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 24):

It happened in Texas in the 2000s.

I understand it CAN happen in certain circumstances. But it's a rarity, an anomaly. It didn't happen in Florida here.

My point is not to say incumbents cannot ever face one another, my point is to say the author was flat out wrong and looked very foolish.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 27
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

I don't get that at all. Obama is not weak. I can think of a really good example of how Obama is not weak. Just because he doesn't like to beat war drums like we've come to expect from Republicans doesn't make that true. There are some areas where I question Obama is the most competent in, but I am extremely happy to have him as a CinC for 4 more years. And cutting defense spending they never even wanted... sounds good to me! Lots can also be saved from the more archaic aspects of the military which won't serve much use in modern warfare.

And what, you want us to 'stop' China from having nuclear subs?? Oh good, lets add them to the war list too. Maybe we can just start war with North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, Cuba, Pakistan all at once, and worry about deficit spending. That will be just phenomenal for us all.

Glad you think we are the ignorant ones.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

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Good, now you and all of your kind should definitely start thinking about emigrating away. What about Somalia? There you can do whatever you want without government forcing you to do anything and you don't have to pay any taxes either.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
is past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become, and for many reasons...at this point she deserves what she gets...just look to the east for her future. Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US. We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

Hah, so you think that everyone wants to attack you? No, they are not mad. Attacking United States and that way possibly even starting WW3 would give absolutely no benefit to any country on this planet.

In fact militarist people like you who see rest of the world as your enemies are the biggest threat to world peace. If USA hadn't been playing world police with its military power world would be way safer place nowadays as most of the hate and terrorism towards western world would not exist. Your past governments caused all this terrorism we have seen so far, including 9/11. Cause war and destruction elsewhere - > It will come back at you.

I hope big masses of rational Americans will never ever let militarists like you run their country. George W Bush and many presidents in past gave world enough of that.

Recently I found really good song from one good Iraqi-English artist, it tells exactly the truth about actions of US government all around the world during last 50 years or so and how it often very well meets definition of terrorism:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCqp6RZf4Eo

[Edited 2012-11-09 03:47:38]

[Edited 2012-11-09 03:48:02]


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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1943 times:
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Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

  

Seriously, you're giving liberals and Obama WAY too much credit.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
Hah, so you think that everyone wants to attack you?

No, I don't think "everyone" wants to attack me. But there do exist "some" that are hell bent on doing so. Thats just the way it is and apathy regarding this has no place in any government.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
Attacking United States and that way possibly even starting WW3 would give absolutely no benefit to any country on this planet.

Agreed!...

Quoting pvjin (Reply 29):
In fact militarist people like you who see rest of the world as your enemies are the biggest threat to world peace

Just a silly statement...While I do like shooting guns, I'm hardly a warmonger. Don't think Vietnam was necessary, don't think Iraq was necessary, Libya, etc...If countries want to kill each other have at it. The US can't clean its own house, don't know why she thinks she can clean others. See...your way off dude, gotta relax. Bush administration=sucked, Obama administration=sucked. And will another 4 years unless President Obama learned something about the American people during his campaigning but I have my doubts.

History will teach you in the past US involvement by invitation during war time help to make the world a safer place (for a while), that includes Finland. Read the history books, not the quran.

Speaking of which...9/11 was perpetrated by hate mongers. Hate has no place anywhere to the extent it has any benefit. As I recall the existence of the US in middle eastern countries served them well with US oil dollars...Dubai, Bahrain come to mind. Osama Bin Laden had a prosperous construction company as a result but he had bigger plans for his money, hate used it all of and also used up his time on earth. Middle Easterners have hijacked US commercial aircraft, blown up US airports, held hostages long before you were born. Why, they hate the Jews and Americas association with them. If you knew anything about Americans you would be surprised that most would agree we are too involved around the world and pay very little attention to our own internal issues. Every soldier I have spoken to that served in Vietnam/ Iraq and Afghanistan stated that our presence in all only aggravated the regions and will ultimately have accomplished nothing. I agree with them so that hardly classifies me as "militarist". However...this does not negate the fact that other superpowers still would like to gain the upper hand. I'm not sure the US in short term will be strong enough for the challenge, at least with the continuation of this administration. One more note,...I understand that Bin Ladens Son, Hamza, has joined the ranks of AlQaeda. Do you think he is not being watched? You never hear his name mentioned at least not yet. A word Obama used..."revenge"...think Hamza uses it too. I'd be pissed if some one killed my father.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
No, I don't think "everyone" wants to attack me. But there do exist "some" that are hell bent on doing so. Thats just the way it is and apathy regarding this has no place in any government.

No, no country in this planet wants to start a war with the US. There are some terrorist groups sure, but fighting against them by invading countries where they operate only raises their popularity.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
. Don't think Vietnam was necessary, don't think Iraq was necessary, Libya, etc...

Good, at least Vietnam and Iraq did way more bad than good. Libya, well at least there the revolution was started by Libyans themselves, not forced by the US, I personally think helping rebels in Libya was ok thing to do.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
History will teach you in the past US involvement by invitation during war time help to make the world a safer place (for a while), that includes Finland. Read the history books, not the quran.

During WW2 you were helping Soviets at the same time when we were fighting against them. Sure, maybe during cold war US kept Soviets out from rest of Europe, but truly US has done nothing good to Finland during actual war time. I have never read Quran and even if I did it doesn't include anything about modern times politics.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 31):
Middle Easterners have hijacked US commercial aircraft, blown up US airports, held hostages long before you were born.

And US navy has shot down commercial airliner belonging to Iran Air during Gulf War, killing over 200. Also United States has given asylum to some terrorists who bombed down Cuban passenger airliner.

But yeah sure those fighting against US have also been involved in horrible things, I just dislike to see their actions always recognized as terrorism and then similar actions committed by US forces as rightful acts that belong to war. I doubt someone who has lost his/her whole family in US airstrike gets much relief to his/her pain from hearing that it was just an accident and was not intended to kill civilians.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1934 times:

$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...-debt-limit-18794t-we-ll-raise-it.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

Lets see your   posts in 2014.


User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 30):

Seriously, you're giving liberals and Obama WAY too much credit.

It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 34, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
No, no country in this planet wants to start a war with the US. There are some terrorist groups sure, but fighting against them by invading countries where they operate only raises their popularity.

I Don't disagree...the situation cannot be ignored either as not reacting creates more resolve....

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
Good, at least Vietnam and Iraq did way more bad than good. Libya, well at least there the revolution was started by Libyans themselves, not forced by the US, I personally think helping rebels in Libya was ok thing to do.

Truth is...all of us only regurgatate the information we glean from TV/ internet etc...we never really know what goes on unless we were there.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
I have never read Quran and even if I did it doesn't include anything about modern times politics

Yes it does...the ideology is a clear danger to many other than the US...

Quoting pvjin (Reply 32):
And US navy has shot down commercial airliner belonging to Iran Air during Gulf War, killing over 200. Also United States has given asylum to some terrorists who bombed down Cuban passenger airliner.

True...a mistake?...probably, intentially definatelly not, but who really know. Never said the US was perfect. The shoot down was a terrible event either way...the answer could have been TWA800...maybe/. maybe not...

Think you and I would agree war sucks, especially war for profit which I believe this country is guilty of but sometimes it is a necessary evil for the survival of race/country. I condone it only if attacked. We have been and have done nothing, but that is my opinion probably shared only by myself... Gotta run!...g


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 35, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 28):
And what, you want us to 'stop' China from having nuclear subs??

Considering the PLAN has had SSNs since 1974, I think that horse has LONG left the barn and there was little Obama could have done. Unless, of course, soon7x7 wanted a 13-year old Obama to infiltrate the Bohai Shipyards, steal the plans for the Han-class boats, assassinate Peng Shilu, and sabotage the units under construction. And what, pray tell, is the "FG-35?" I was unaware the US Military was so heavily invested in glider technology these days!



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1378 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger)

Is it really?

No. Before I really saw what the TEA movement was all about, I might have been tempted to look at it the way DL90 there wants people to. But that kind of thinking really needs to be left to entities deserving of any kind of respect at all, ever.

The term "Teabagger" is indeed well accepted by mainstream America, and objectively speaking, yes, having a probolem with that is more than a little sensitive.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
It is to the point here in Iowa where you can get in serious legal trouble from the Iowa DNR (the EPA is behind this) for too much cow poop contaiminating the ground, even in a small family run farming operation.

Not to make light of your concern, but is there anyone out there who really wants an unlimited amount of cow poops in their yard?

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
And on a personal note regardless of which side you are on, I can not stand these young women and others on Facebook stating they are excited they will still get free cell phones and birth control.

Well if it makes you feel better, I'm equally irritated by the same number of postings lementing the invetiable, and pledging to move to Canada, Germany, Australia, & other more "Christian" places that don't have socialistic non-religious leadership.

I get what you're saying though. Some people are just beyond help, it seems.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
This country is economically in much better shape than we were in at this time four years ago.

And I think that wraps it up right there. Some things are certainly going to get more expensive, but that's the prevailing trend at virtually any point in history. Anecdotally, I can say without fear of contradiction that I have never done better than in the last four years. I don't think that political conditions caused that, but they for damned sure didn't hurt it. And this is part of why I was unable to buy into the gloom & doom t he GOP was trying to sell this time around. We have a good thing going (well starting maybe), and America made it clear she doesn't want that messed with.
That's my story and I'm stickin to it...



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...-debt-limit-18794t-we-ll-raise-it.

"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

What's your solution?
You do realize that we ran a deficits of 1.1 trillion for 2012 ,which should be less than last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/bu...ar-falls-to-1-1-trillion.html?_r=0
About equal with and below what Bush left Obama with on Jan 20,2009, at the height of a recession.

Death of the republic? Hopefully is the end of uneducated people that can't do math in the GOP, and then rely on the liars at Fake News and Right Wing Radio to do it for them .

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/rom...ey-wrong-on-deficits-auto-bailout/
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41753



We need the Debt Limit hiked , because even though the deficit is getting better, we aren't out of the woods yet, and even though we would like to cut a lot of spending, we can't do it at once. The Debt limit needs to be raised and our congress needs to work out a plan. Declaring Death of the Republic and blaming the 50 % of the country is only viable for people with no understanding of math and policy.

[Edited 2012-11-09 06:39:12]


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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 35):
Yes it does...the ideology is a clear danger to many other than the US...

Quran itself includes no mention about modern day politics, its like a bible, full of stories or such though I think they are in different kind of form. There's nothing wrong with Quran itself, just with some people who take some stuff too seriously and intentionally use Quran to justify their violent actions. You know, truly terrorism against west is political and not about religion. Radical Islam is just used to justify this political violence.

Sure you can find a lot of violent bad stuff from Bible too if you want.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2723 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

If this means the current incarnation of the GOP and their vision of the US will not recover, then I certainly hope so.

Right wing commentators are squealing as they see how marginal their vision of America has become. The fact that O'Rielly and others are so openly explaining this in purely racial terms shows their true colours. It is very satifiying to see them realize that this game is over for the Tea Party and other right wing extremists. America is not in their zone and is not likely to be there in the future. Great.



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11422 posts, RR: 52
Reply 40, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 40):
The fact that O'Rielly and others are so openly explaining this in purely racial terms shows their true colours.

And the fact that it's a man named O'Reilly that's saying it speaks volumes for how little these guys have analyzed history.

But yes, calls that the Republic is dead are not only the kind of melodrama ripe for an MTV reality show, but rather 180 degrees from reality. This vote against the 2012 Republican view of the world (as opposed to the 1984 Republican view of the world more closely espoused by the electee) is proof that in fact, America is _not_ ignorant, but rather has designs on not turning back the clock to the point in time where it was.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6609 posts, RR: 6
Reply 41, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
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Quoting n318ea (Reply 34):
It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become,

Are you suggesting that Democracy is not the way to go?


     



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User currently offlinen318ea From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 42, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

The predictable responses from the usual Moonbat's. I would not use that term but I do take offense to remarks about "teabagger's" and other derogatory remarks made by several posters here. You just can't hide your contempt to opposing points of view can you? Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.I DID realize the error of the original post reference millions of dead before I made linked to her blog. I thought the insight of a former citizen from a Communist country would be more important and that error would overlooked.
The failure of this country by BOTH parties to follow the Constitution has led to this point. There is NO way to recover from this deficit with a country infected by people who think they are owed something for the poor choices they have made/make.
I hope I can check back in this forum and tell you how wrong I was and apologize profusely to everyone. Well not all of you but some. Unfortunately I doubt that will be the case.
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

Peace out!


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
I thought the insight of a former citizen from a Communist country would be more important and that error would overlooked.

Her views are bull$hit, or maybe Republicans paid her to write such rubbish.



"A rational army would run away"
User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10102 posts, RR: 26
Reply 44, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
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Only God can save us now with his mercy and grace.

Oh, OK, well in 2016 let's have everyone write him in, and we'll see how that goes for 4 years.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.

An interesting thing is that we don't have to tolerate everything. I don't have to show any tolerance towards people who deliberately misunderstand me, or dismiss my arguments without having thought about their validity. Tolerance towards intolerance is a very bad concept.

As a general rule: If you aren't respected, you're doing something wrong. It does not matter how educated you are and how much you actually know about a topic. We can still talk respectfully.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

...well.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
The predictable responses from the usual Moonbat's. I would not use that term but I do take offense to remarks about "teabagger's" and other derogatory remarks made by several posters here.

So the best you can do is lower yourself to "their" level?

By the way, I first read the term "teabagger" in connection to the "TEA party" movement. I'd be surprised if it wasn't the same for most others.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
You just can't hide your contempt to opposing points of view can you?

Can you? Let's see.

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 34):
It's the PEOPLE that voted FOR him. He is just the vehicle for them to suck this country dry.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
Liberal's "tolerance"is bull$hit and a one way street.
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
a country infected by people who think they are owed something for the poor choices they have made/make.

Hmm...    I'd have to say no, you can't.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

Odd... when people advocate for peace, love and harmony, they are usually declared a naïve wimps by self-proclaimed "real Americans" and their ilk in other countries. But as soon the views of those hard, tough and straigh-talking people are criticised, the wimps are suddenly called vicious, hateful bastards.   



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19948 posts, RR: 59
Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

I will say it yet again.

If you think the ship is sinking, you are welcome to bail out any time. But good luck finding an industrialized nation that has more conservative politics than the U.S.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7960 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1913 times:

n318ea, So far you have substantiated *nothing* - not one single allegation, accusation or incrimination. Same with the author of the article blog entry. Unless you start arguing and at least try to provide some reasons why Obama has put America on a "trajectory that (you) will not recover from" this is nothing more than drivel.


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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
$19 Trillion on the way.
Harry Reid on Hiking Debt Limit to $18.794T: ‘We’ll Raise It’
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/harr...e-it.

Indeed, causing a national default is sure to be a much more satisfying solution to every global financial market on Planet Earth.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." Benjamin Franklin

You'd be surprised who's gaining the most relative to government policy from your idealized visions of the past. One side effect of the reactions to LBJ's Great Society programs is that a massive amount of "entitlement" money now goes to the middle class and other "honest hard-working Americans" because it's easier to sell that type of policy to a suspicious nation when the bulk of the electorate benefits as well.

Also, one side effect of Reagan and his economic policy is that the tax rates for the wealthiest Americans are half of what they were in 1956, and owing to changes in how elections are conducted money is now more important to the course of elections than it has been in years. As such it's hard to believe that the self-reliant supermen who this country depends on (apparently) aren't voting a bit more take-home pay themselves. Indeed, it's practically in their creed to keep taxes on the successful as low as they can. So who's to say they aren't voting themselves even more money than the people who turned out for Obama?

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
Lets see your   posts in 2014.

I'll be sure to remind you how society hasn't collapsed yet and government is still a functioning entity carrying out the actions necessary and proper for the general welfare of the United States, just as the Constitution (from 200 years ago written by people who, to the best of all possible knowledge, did not have any means of predicting the future) prescribes.  
Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
In the mean time, keep the hate coming!

Oh how I would so love for this to be an unrestricted license to flame you.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 50, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 39):
Quran itself includes no mention about modern day politics, its like a bible, full of stories or such though I think they are in different kind of form.

Of course both date pretty far back however both have been the third rail for the societies that follow and believe in them. Some more literal than others. Being Catholic, obviously I have read the Bible. Now I'm reading the Quran. Both are quite different. The Quran is specific about intolerance towards non believers or followers.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 39):
There's nothing wrong with Quran itself, just with some people who take some stuff too seriously and intentionally use Quran to justify their violent actions.

That is a fair statement to a point, in some regards it is quite specific about for lack of a better term"bodily harm" for various reasons. Don't know where the Bible is synonymous in this regard.

Quoting pvjin (Reply 39):
Sure you can find a lot of violent bad stuff from Bible too if you want.

Just don't think I'm going to witness any Catholics hiding behind the Bible while flying hijacked Emirates A380's into the Towers in Dubai...do you?

Quoting mt99 (Reply 42):
Are you suggesting that Democracy is not the way to go?

Not me...wouldn't have it any other way...just think Washington is broken, the two party system is corrupt, a failure. Democracy works well when those involved don't want to derail it.


User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 51, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 51):

Just don't think I'm going to witness any Catholics hiding behind the Bible while flying hijacked Emirates A380's into the Towers in Dubai...do you?

Maybe not, but how about hiding behind the Bible while they bomb abortion clinics or gay/lesbian clubs? How about guys like Eric Rudolph, Michael Bray, Paul Jennings Hill, James Kopp, David Lewis Rice, Shelley Shannon, or the members of the Army of God?



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 52, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 49):
Unless you start arguing and at least try to provide some reasons why Obama has put America on a "trajectory that (you) will not recover from" this is nothing more than drivel.

No body should have to list anything President Obama has done that could be touted as creating an unrecoverable trajectory here. It has been news headlines for 3.5 years. If you live in the US and have or had a business of your own you would understand. Since you don't..."Nothing but drivel".

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
The failure of this country by BOTH parties to follow the Constitution has led to this point.

Sounds plausible...


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 53, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
I understand most of us think about the double entendre and giggle, but is it really that offensive and outrageous to call people who dress up like tea bags, and hang tea bags around their hats as 'teabaggers'.

To add to this I'm sure that none of these people in your photo know what tea-bagging is  .

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
Iran shoots down American UAV, China months away from Nuclear subs, already copied the FG-35, I mean "Stole", ....or purchased the blueprints from Biden/Obama...next,...Weeks ago Russian nuke sub 300 miles off east coast of US.

No country is going to start any war with the US especially not China and Russia because if they do the US still has the power to kick ass

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 26):
We have a weak leader and now it is time for the lions to pounce. So whats Obama gonna do about it?...Cut defense!...absolutely brilliant.

You might think he is weak but someone who thinks about getting involved in another war where the last two cost billions and gained pretty much nothing for the US is a good policy. You want to drive the US into a ditch is can't get out of and give the world economic reigns to China start a war with Iran.

The US defense budget exceeds the next 7 countries combined, there is no need to build all the things that the US defense dept does when it is currently fighting enemies with no infrastructure what so ever.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 35):
Yes it does...the ideology is a clear danger to many other than the US...

The only thing that is a threat to a country as great as the US is themselves Bin Laden said I can't destroy the US but I can make them destroy themselves.

Also no superpower in history was brought down by external forces alone.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 51):
Just don't think I'm going to witness any Catholics hiding behind the Bible while flying hijacked Emirates A380's into the Towers in Dubai...do you?

Catholics and Christians in history have a much higher body count than Islam, look at historical events like the Crusades and the Dark ages. What stops the Christians from not being like a thin minority of Muslims is the fact that they live in democratic countries where the bible is rejected as the rule of law.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
You just can't hide your contempt to opposing points of view can you?

Typical troll. Post something horrendously outrageous (and 90% false), and then claim that it's a "point of view" that deserves something better than "contempt".

Funny how when you don't get your way, the country is collapsing and everyone in it is a Communist leecher. Contempt for an opposing point of view, perhaps?

[Edited 2012-11-09 12:31:08]


"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

I am still AMAZED that the GOP/Teaparty thinks the Democrats/Liberals got us here all by themselves...Remember, the "fiscal cliff" was an AGREEMENT.....the raising of the debt ceiling was an AGREEMENT.....All the while The Speaker Of The House was getting his 98%......and the other "half".....you know.... the minority in the House got the othe 2%.....

And as for your God:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now THOSE men were CONSERVATIVES!!!!

As for "Chinese nuclear submarines 300 miles of the coast.."
"The United States was among the nations that participated in the third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea, which took place from 1973 through 1982 and resulted in the international treaty known as the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). The United States also participated in the subsequent negotiations of modifications to the treaty from 1990 to 1994. The UNCLOS came into force in 1994. Although the United States now recognizes the UNCLOS as a codification of customary international law, it has not ratified it."

The current agreement is 200 miles....the Chinese or any other country can cruise all they want...100 miles closer if they want.....



Carpe Pices
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 56, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting bhill (Reply 56):

The 200 nautical miles, isn't that the economic exclusion zone? I had the impression that any nation can chug along any foreign coast as long as they keep at least 12 nm of distance (territorial waters). Within 24 nm from the coast, any nation has the four powers of immigration, taxation, pollution and customs enforcement.

Edit: Well, I remember that the non-ratification of the UNCLOS treaty has led to the nasty fact that any nation can place offshore oil rigs at 24.0001 miles from the U.S. coast - well done, U.S. of A.!  Smile


David

[Edited 2012-11-09 12:42:10]


Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 53):

No body should have to list anything President Obama has done that could be touted as creating an unrecoverable trajectory here. It has been news headlines for 3.5 years.

So post the headlines then.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 43):
I thought the insight of a former citizen from a Communist country would be more important and that error would overlooked.

That whole post is riddled with errors, inaccuracies, and overreactions. It contains zero insights into anything.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 58, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting bhill (Reply 56):
.the raising of the debt ceiling was an AGREEMENT

Not only that but it was an agreement to resolve a manufactured crisis. The debt ceiling vote was one that routinely happened - since 1962, the debt ceiling has been raised 74 times, including 18 times under Reagan and seven times under G.W. Bush.



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User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

David:

"Coastal States have sovereign rights over the continental shelf (the national area of the seabed) for exploring and exploiting it; the shelf can extend at least 200 nautical miles from the shore, and more under specified circumstances"

http://www.un.org/Depts/los/conventi...convention_overview_convention.htm



Carpe Pices
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 60, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting bhill (Reply 60):
"Coastal States have sovereign rights over the continental shelf (the national area of the seabed) for exploring and exploiting it; the shelf can extend at least 200 nautical miles from the shore, and more under specified circumstances"

Yes, that's right. If the state has ratified the treatment, and only for exploring and exploiting natural resources like fish and oil. But it has nothing to do with military vessels. The Economic Exclusion Zone (to which the paragraph above refers to) is defined by either 200 nm from the coast, or the continental shelf.

Any Russian or Chinese submarine is allowed to approach the U.S. - but it must keep at least 12 nm of distance.

I'm eager to hear any correction.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7960 posts, RR: 12
Reply 61, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 58):
No body should have to list anything President Obama has done that could be touted as creating an unrecoverable trajectory here. It has been news headlines for 3.5 years.

So post the headlines then.

I look forward to seeing them, too.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 53):
If you live in the US and have or had a business of your own you would understand.

While I do not live in the US I do follow the news in the US, and looking from a distant viewpoint sometimes helps to see if the sky is actually falling. Wouldn't a "trajectory the US cannot recover from" or the "death of the republic" imply that the US has stopped being a republic and introduced laws cannot be taken back? What bill did the Republican-led House of Representatives approve that would cause such havoc?

A couple of days ago you went to the ballots for a free, equal and secret election briefly after a devastating hurricane. For a "death republic" that is quite an accomplishment.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8621 posts, RR: 1
Reply 62, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

If you don't like what you got you and righties like you can get the hell out of this country alright n318ea.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting bhill (Reply 56):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Now THOSE men were CONSERVATIVES!!!!

Well then those are conservatives that I would vote for, just note that the founders never intended the US constitution to be an iron clad contract that has to be followed to the letter. They were not perfect and they did think that owning black people was perfectly fine and that women had no right to vote and we have since changed that.

I think that Thomas Jeffereson said that Lighthouses were more useful than churches. If the GOP wants to have a chance ever again in politics then they have to stop pandering to the religious right who shouldn't be political in the first place. Freedom of religion means I have my freedom to not practice it.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 59):
Not only that but it was an agreement to resolve a manufactured crisis. The debt ceiling vote was one that routinely happened - since 1962, the debt ceiling has been raised 74 times, including 18 times under Reagan and seven times under G.W. Bush.

They wanted to ensure that Obama was defeated and how did that work out!!



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3656 posts, RR: 5
Reply 64, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 61):
Any Russian or Chinese submarine is allowed to approach the U.S. - but it must keep at least 12 nm of distance.

True, since the US has not signed or ratified UNCLOS, anything over 12 nm is fair game. No correction needed.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 51):
Just don't think I'm going to witness any Catholics hiding behind the Bible while flying hijacked Emirates A380's into the Towers in Dubai...do you?

No, and that's only because catholic extremists don't believe they will be celebrated as heroes in heaven so they aren't willing to die in their attacks. In Ireland or if we go further away in history during Middle Ages and later we saw that Catholics have done a lot bad too.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2442 posts, RR: 14
Reply 66, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 66):
Catholics

Right now, in Germany we are concerned about Catholic hate speech on http://kreuz.net/ against homosexuals, Jews and liberal/leftist people. Several writers there are presumed to have high-ranking, paid jobs in the Catholic church.


David

[Edited 2012-11-09 14:40:06]


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 67, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
When you respond to a post you think is outrageous with a comment equally outrageous (using the term teabagger) you're not doing anyone any good.

The term is only outrageous to those searching for a different meaning to the term. Most people really don't worry about that.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
Frankly, if Spain and Greece haven't imploded yet, there is no reason why the US won't survive four years of Democratic power

if the US can survive 8 years of Bush & Cheney then there is no reason why the US won't survive another four years of Democratic power.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):
I'm glad he is liked abroad but he still has to keep us happy at home.

Tuesday's election pretty well establishes that he has done that.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
Looming tax increaes due to the Bush tax cuts expiring may slow economic growth.

Reality is that most people will not be impacted by the Bush cuts being allowed to die as there will be something to replace it for those under $250K. This is pretty well known so it shouldn't be a surprise.

The big surprise is that the GOP got caught in this position. They are still being a brick wall, but that wall disappears on Jan 1st. The GOP has lost their leverage and will get stuck with less than they could have obtained.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
Employers hiring less due to Obama Care requirements.

Employers have just enjoyed the smallest increase in premium hikes in years. My premiums doubled in the first 4 years of Bush - employers don't need massive increases like that.

There are also government benefits to these employers - including tax breaks.

And insurance companies have been refunding part of their premiums - thanks to ObamaCare.

Quoting iowaman (Reply 16):
eople like me who are otherwise healthy, seeing a huge increase in health insurance premiums. As a college student I can not afford this.

As a college student you will be able to stay on your parents policy until you're 26 - a huge benefit if you want to get advanced degrees.

And the harsh reality is that young people can get various cancers that are more vicious (and costly to treat) than you can believe. The accident rate of younger people is higher and that can be pretty expensive.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 18):
Even with the possible fiscal cliff?

Especially with the fiscal cliff. Let all the Bush cuts expire on December 31st and start new cuts that is focused on those under $250K/year income. Let issues like capital gains (needing to be considered "income" just like a wage is) and estate taxes.

Quoting n318ea (Reply 33):
Lets see your   posts in 2014.

We were reading posts like that in 2008. Nothing new. Especially since Obama didn't drag the country down like Bush did.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 68, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1869 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 37):
The term "Teabagger" is indeed well accepted by mainstream America, and objectively speaking, yes, having a probolem with that is more than a little sensitive.
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 68):
The term is only outrageous to those searching for a different meaning to the term. Most people really don't worry about that.

Really? I can't think of any other connotation than, well, placing you know what on someone's face or something.

Doesn't really matter, these kind of comments usually enrage the other side, needlessly, degrading the debate. I'm not a TP guy myself, the initial movement was great but it has morphed into something different, but I don't call them teabaggers just like I don't call liberals "communists" or whatever



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 69, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting pvjin (Reply 66):
No, and that's only because catholic extremists don't believe they will be celebrated as heroes in heaven so they aren't willing to die in their attacks


Wrong again!...if you die for Catholicism, you get a green card direct to heaven just like Islam...bet you didn't know that ...obviously,,,it is called Martyrdom.
What do you consider a Catholic extremist?...the Pope?
Their does exist a lot of bad and extreme realities in history but those are the issues that we purportedly learn from to make us a better more informed society. In the US we had slavery...this was a terrible reality but it is now History. It through the trials and tribulations moved us all forwards to hopefully realize what is wrong and right.

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 63):


I don't like this president either...didn't 4 years ago...he is a rote liar. Figured he deserved the benefit of the doubt, well 4 years later he has proven he is inept...during this last re election campaign he stooped to lows no politician worth his salt has ever lowered too. He is pathetic. He is the US wrecking ball. by the way...last week he did announce on the shoulder of New Jersey's Chris Christie that "we are the Great America and we never leave our own behind"....Benghazi anyone? He also has a short term memory loss issue. I know two pilots that 5 years ago spent their weekends flying around a guy named Barack Hussein Obama to weekend retreats as according to the flight crew ..."he is being groomed by the US government to be President". "We know this to be fact because we are being paid by the US government for all this flight time" You think your vote counted?...think again.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3656 posts, RR: 5
Reply 70, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 69):
Wrong again!...if you die for Catholicism, you get a green card direct to heaven just like Islam...bet you didn't know that ...obviously,,,it is called Martyrdom.

That would be because of religious persecution and torturing of the follower, which was done to Christians in order to force them to renounce their faith. It has nothing to do with attacking someone and dying in the process, in essence committing suicide, which is a big no-no for Christians.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 71, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 53):
The only thing that is a threat to a country as great as the US is themselves Bin Laden said I can't destroy the US but I can make them destroy themselves.

Also no superpower in history was brought down by external forces alone.

I can't dispute what you say but sounds reasonable....

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 53):
Catholics and Christians in history have a much higher body count than Islam, look at historical events like the Crusades and the Dark ages. What stops the Christians from not being like a thin minority of Muslims is the fact that they live in democratic countries where the bible is rejected as the rule of law.

Thats historical...think to be relevant, some contemporary thinking is deserved...9/11 is only 11 years old, not 1100. Consider the ideology.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 72, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

The death of a Republic is not the death of a country. France is on its 5th Republic and I hope I'll see a 6th one. The current constitution has been voted on, by referendum, by my grandparents' generation, people I can relate to, not people from centuries ago that had no plans for their creation to last that long.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 73, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1862 times:
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Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 69):
That would be because of religious persecution and torturing of the follower, which was done to Christians in order to force them to renounce their faith. It has nothing to do with attacking someone and dying in the process, in essence committing suicide, which is a big no-no for Christians.

Just to be historically accurate - if not completely relevant - the Crusaders believed that if they died attacking Saracens in battle they earned everlasting life - heaven.

The Edict of Pope Urban II Council of Clermont, 1095:

"If you triumph, the blessings of Heaven and the kingdoms of Asia will be your reward. If you succumb, you will achieve the glory of dying in the same Land where Jesus Christ died, and God will not forget that He saw you in the Holy Militia.

And every one that forsakes his houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My name's sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.”


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19948 posts, RR: 59
Reply 74, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 69):
Really? I can't think of any other connotation than, well, placing you know what on someone's face or something.

Which is an awful lot of fun. You really ought to try sometime.  

The trouble is that it wasn't about tea and it wasn't about taxes. This administration has overseen one of the lowest aggregate tax rates in the history of the country, especially on the top brackets.

It wasn't really about race, either. It was about being anti-Islam, homophobic, anti-immigrant, and religious extremist. Barack Obama is none of these things AND his name is Muslim. I say this with confidence because 100.0% of tea party advocates I ever interacted with (and I mean without a single exception) all shared those views (and all claimed they didn't). Of course they made a lot of noise about how it wasn't about that at all and how it was all about taxes. It's a bit like claiming that you like to drink mimosas for the orange juice.

On a different note, when you call the people who just won a democratic vote "lazy" and "takers," you aren't going to win over many hearts and minds...or votes. Mr. Romney learned that with his "47%" comment. These statements make it very clear that the Tea Party views the rest of the country with great scorn and views themselves as our superiors whose job it is to lead us to salvation. Ultimately, that is why I believe they lost.


User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 976 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

The "Death of the Republic"

Quoting n318ea (Thread starter):
This pretty much says it all.....
The damage done by this President and Liberal's is have put us into a trajectory that we will not recover from.

Funny. I don't think that Queenie Liz over in London is terribly interested in taking the place back. Surely, it will have to be a bit more united than divided before she'd dare. And Her government of Her nearest monarchy to the United States is trying so hard to emulate George W. Bush's governing style I'm quite sure that the Republic is safe from an invasion of its northern neighbour for now as well.

Here's the thing: ANYBODY who says that the United States is going to Hell in a Hand Basket, citing the complicated ways of modern government and reminiscing for the good old days, but who did not campaign or vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, is a complete hypocrite.

Yes, Ron Paul is a crack-pot in some of his opinions but those opinions were not what he was running on. If you want to see the federal government in the United States return to its spendthrift ways, then who, in our lifetimes, has even come close to proposing such a radical thing as Ron Paul?

In the end, even Romney would have been a good (and somewhat credible) presidential candidate except he had to sell his soul to the tea bag element of the party by repudiating much of what he actually stood for and done when he was Governor of a relatively 'liberal' Massachusetts, and then during the election campaign run away from everything he said to get nominated. To a lesser extent, that was also the situation of McCain- only he had Palin to apologize for as well.

And so the Republic will go on. Maybe it will default. Iceland seems to be doing OK- no end to its Republic there.

The "Liberal agenda", perhaps not completely compatible with the politics of the redder of the red states, isn't going to ruin the fate of the Republic either.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 69):
Their does exist a lot of bad and extreme realities in history but those are the issues that we purportedly learn from to make us a better more informed society. In the US we had slavery...this was a terrible reality but it is now History. It through the trials and tribulations moved us all forwards to hopefully realize what is wrong and right.

May I suggest that the previous 8 years under GWB is an example of "an extreme reality in history" that one "purportedly learn[ed] from to make better informed decisions", hence the re-election of Barack Hussein Obama?

I'm just asking because it is exactly that question that the Republican Party must ask if it's going to succeed in elections to come. The world, including the United States, has changed a lot since the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980.

But the final message is still clear: all this posturing is just that. The issues facing the United States are very real. The consequences will have global ramifications. Government spending has to be reigned in, absolutely. But the income side of the ledger has to be fixed as well. Reagan said that "Government was the problem". But in hindsight, there's a rejoinder to that: "Broke government is even more the problem".

Sadly, the status quo after the election is going to mean that there will be little done to change the stalemate in Washington. Maybe now, however, the plan to frustrate Obama and hence the populace has backfired on the Republicans and they will be willing to give more than 2% to the Democrats and that bi-partisanship prevails. That is HOPE that both sides can wish for.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5671 posts, RR: 6
Reply 76, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):


In the end, even Romney would have been a good (and somewhat credible) presidential candidate except he had to sell his soul to the tea bag element of the party by repudiating much of what he actually stood for and done when he was Governor of a relatively 'liberal' Massachusetts, and then during the election campaign run away from everything he said to get nominated. To a lesser extent, that was also the situation of McCain- only he had Palin to apologize for as well.

Count me in as someone who would have voted for Romney, had he stood for equal rights and health care. As it was, the GOP prevented him from doing that.

McCain was never Presidential material in my eyes. He had a good Senate career, but even that is coming to a close.


Like I said elsewhere: it's amazing that the people who claim to have so much love for their country have so little faith as to think that one man can collapse it in 8 years without hope.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 77, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 76):
Like I said elsewhere: it's amazing that the people who claim to have so much love for their country have so little faith as to think that one man can collapse it in 8 years without hope.

It's only because he's not their man.



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User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1845 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 69):
Wrong again!...if you die for Catholicism, you get a green card direct to heaven just like Islam...bet you didn't know that ...obviously,,,it is called Martyrdom.

Mmm yeah could be, but I highly doubt that actual suicide attack such as exploding yourself, flying a plane into a tower or exploding a car bomb while you are inside would make you a martyr. I think it's more about traditional battle against real enemies which would.

So that's why Muslim terrorists are more likely willing to die in their attacks while catholic terrorists don't.



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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 25):
China months away from Nuclear subs,

Wakey wakey, the Chinese Navy has been equipped with nuclear subs since the 1970s.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 25):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become

I think I just heard the sound of a stone hitting a glass house... 

[Edited 2012-11-10 04:17:49]

[Edited 2012-11-10 04:18:05]

[Edited 2012-11-10 04:18:46]

User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 14
Reply 80, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 25):
This past Tuesday America proved to me how truly ignorant a country it has become,

The only thing this past tuesday proved was that Romney and Ryan ran an incredibly inept campaign. I saw this election as a referendum on Obama's first term, which I didn't think too highly of. I was looking for reasons to eject the incumbent from office. The problem is that rather than focus on the economy, the Republicans got dragged too far down by the culture wars and by the outspoken anti-illegal immigration types within the party (who were perceived as being racist, but never bother to correct this perception--they allowed the Democrats to paint them as anti-immigration, period). And when the Republicans did focus on the economy--with respect to dealing with the deficit and the like--their numbers simply didn't add up (even fox news called them on this--remember the Chris Wallace interview with Ryan?).

The Republic will survive--and hopefully it will be stronger once the Republicans recognize the error of some of their platforms and reformulate their positions so that is less about culture and more about economics.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 81, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting us330 (Reply 80):
I saw this election as a referendum on Obama's first term, which I didn't think too highly of.

I also expected the President to be sent home after four years.

Not necessarily because of doing a bad job, but because of having an unsolvable job to do.

Instead the election stopped being a referendum on Obama's first term, but became a discussion on ideology.

And the Republican candidates simply never connected with huge numbers of the American people.

I mean really - Mitt Romney paying 14% income tax and complaining that weathly taxpayers like himself should pay less taxes in the future. Also sending Ryan down to talk to the AARP convention.

Obama was easily beatable in 2012 by a decent campaign which focused on the economy.

The Republican Party ran the wrong candidate and focused on the wrong issues.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8328 posts, RR: 9
Reply 82, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):
ANYBODY who says that the United States is going to Hell in a Hand Basket, citing the complicated ways of modern government and reminiscing for the good old days, but who did not campaign or vote for Ron Paul in the primaries, is a complete hypocrite.

Ron Paul? Never a better candidate to bring down a country.

Well, maybe his sone at some point in the future.   

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):
In the end, even Romney would have been a good (and somewhat credible) presidential candidate

Romney might have been a good candidate if there was not the issue of taxes on the wealthy staring us in the face. The failure to release more than 2 years of tax returns (probably for good reason), the tax cuts in his program that would have put him paying 1% income taxes, etc. Romney appeared to be far more protective of the ultra wealthy than the middle class family and that pushed him down.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):
The "Liberal agenda", perhaps not completely compatible with the politics of the redder of the red states, isn't going to ruin the fate of the Republic either.

The red states believe that a moderate agenda will ruin the fate of the Republic.

I sure don't see any great successes from our Red Governor. Nor do I see any achievement from the broad who is Superintendent of Education for the state. Just some dumb broads being a lackey to the rich IMO.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):
But the final message is still clear: all this posturing is just that. The issues facing the United States are very real. The consequences will have global ramifications. Government spending has to be reigned in, absolutely. But the income side of the ledger has to be fixed as well. Reagan said that "Government was the problem". But in hindsight, there's a rejoinder to that: "Broke government is even more the problem"

Government spending needs to be more balanced in terms of matching revenues. While there are always cries for protecting Defense budgets the reality is that programs like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid & the VA protect this country from within as much, or more, than the Military protects us from without.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 75):
Sadly, the status quo after the election is going to mean that there will be little done to change the stalemate in Washington. Maybe now, however, the plan to frustrate Obama and hence the populace has backfired on the Republicans and they will be willing to give more than 2% to the Democrats and that bi-partisanship prevails. That is HOPE that both sides can wish for.

I believe that there will be some major changes to the DC Stalemate. Before the election the GOP looked forward to taking the WHite House so they went wild with their Party of No BS. Today the GOP has been taken to the woodshed by the electorate and in less than 2 months the Bush Tax Cuts will be history.

Today the GOP has to move to a far more moderate (reasonable) position to get new tax cuts for the middle class. The only question is how dumb the Tea Party will continue to be.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 76):
ke I said elsewhere: it's amazing that the people who claim to have so much love for their country have so little faith as to think that one man can collapse it in 8 years without hope.

Well, W did come close when you get down to it,

Quoting us330 (Reply 80):
I saw this election as a referendum on Obama's first term, which I didn't think too highly of.

I saw it as a referendum on the Party of No, which I don't think too highly of.


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