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Death Of The Conservative Echo Chamber  
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1276 times:

Here is some of the major fallout from the recent election that is probably never going to happen: conservative listeners and viewers of conservative only media -- the echo chamber -- were made painfully aware that they were uninformed of actual events. They, like Karl Rove, actually thought not just that they were going to win the election, but rather, it was going to be an absolute rout. Of course, plenty of media (notably fivethirtyeight at the New York Times) made clear how the electorate was shaping up, but this got either no play on conservative media, or was actively derided as biased.

Well, it wasn't biased. It was fact. But will conservative viewers blame their media for leaving them uninformed?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...d-failed-the-rank-and-file/264855/

On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.


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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20647 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1276 times:

There are several really big donors, like the Koch brothers, who view this kind of coverage from the right-aligned media as an investment. The echo chamber won't end until the dollars financing it does.


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12571 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1276 times:

I was travelling in a place where the only TV in English language I could get was FOX NEWS so I found myself watching it from time to time, and it was amazing how much time they spend explaining why they should be believed. It seemed remarkable to me that they had to keep reinforcing that they were believable, what it was really saying was at some level they knew a casual viewer would find that they were not believable, and they knew it.

Personally, I think this is just a bump in the road for the echo chamber. They will be back, they have too much invested in the status quo.

However I find it interesting that drug addict and woman baiter Rush Limbaugh said that he and his Dittoheads need to take a step back and figure out what this all means. I expect them to come back with some rationale of why they've been right all along, and will continue to be right.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting D L X (Thread starter):
They, like Karl Rove, actually thought not just that they were going to win the election, but rather, it was going to be an absolute rout. Of course, plenty of media (notably fivethirtyeight at the New York Times) made clear how the electorate was shaping up, but this got either no play on conservative media, or was actively derided as biased.

This is what Fox and right wing radio does and I really thought that they were just doing this just to create controversy to get attention and therefore ratings. Discrediting other media I thought is just another method to get their audience fired up to pay more attention.

The fact that they thought that all other polls which lined up pretty accurately with the final result were flawed compared to theirs and Rasmussen's means that I think that they are in a "bubble" because they actually thought that states like Michigan and Pennsylvania were in play for the GOP.

What I don't think a lot of us expected was Obama to run the table on almost all of the swing states only losing NC.

I personally rolled on the floor when Megyn Kelly let Rove have it that she thought he was lying to himself when Fox called Ohio for Obama.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11362 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
What I don't think a lot of us expected was Obama to run the table on almost all of the swing states only losing NC.

Nate Silver and Stanford U called exactly that. In fact, a good 2 weeks out, Nate Silver predicted 7 out of the 9 swing states correctly, and a good month out, Nate Silver stated that 332 electoral votes for Obama was the most likely outcome.

You should know by now that I actually hate most of the media, not just Fox. But Fox holds a special place in my bowel. Most of the media kept erroneously saying that it was close, trying to maintain interest and viewership through the election. But the conservative media actually mislead its viewers in a way that is impossible to cover up now.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3):
I personally rolled on the floor when Megyn Kelly let Rove have it that she thought he was lying to himself when Fox called Ohio for Obama.

Actually, my mouth gaped at that. It was almost creepy how Megyn Kelly threw Karl Rove under the bus. Almost like she didn't care about her job.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
It seemed remarkable to me that they had to keep reinforcing that they were believable, what it was really saying was at some level they knew a casual viewer would find that they were not believable, and they knew it.

  



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User currently offlineConti764 From Belgium, joined Dec 2007, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1276 times:

As a foreigner but highly intrested in US politics, I see a major problem looming around the corner for the GOP. They have to make a choice, choosing for the ultra right wing Tea Party or going back to the center, to become more moderate again.

If they'd go for the right wing, they'll loose the moderate voters. They'll either vote democratic the next election, won't vote at all or the GOP would even risk being torn into two parties with one republican moderate alternative to what is the GOP today.
If they'd go down the more moderate path however, it is almost a given the Tea Party goes its own way. Unlike the rather fragmented and unorganized moderate fractions within the GOP, you already have a strong based and well organized Tea Party.

Either way the GOP is in major trouble, whereas the Dem's get a rather solid base and voting public. I won't expect a republican president in the next few elections due to the reasons above, unless Obama screws up big time or the democrats fail to produce a good presidential candidate in four years, but that's doubtful as well.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Most of the media kept erroneously saying that it was close, trying to maintain interest and viewership through the election.

They fooled me I must say I looked at fivethirtyeight only a few times but after the first debate I thought it would be close and in the last 2 weeks I was confident Obama would win but I thought he would lose Florida and Virginia.
The only map I looked at regularly was the one that popped up on the Huffington post which showed the swing states as Tossups but they were bang on as well.

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
But the conservative media actually mislead its viewers in a way that is impossible to cover up now.

Agreed, I don't know how they convinced themselves that this would be a Romney landslide.

Quoting D L X (Reply 4):
Actually, my mouth gaped at that. It was almost creepy how Megyn Kelly threw Karl Rove under the bus. Almost like she didn't care about her job.

I remember her as a decent reporter and very good on O'Reilly but I do not thing she is that right wing and wants to report the news as objectively as possible, then Fox was right wing but more balanced.

Not everyone on Fox is in the "bubble" and while they may lean right they know what is going on.

Quoting Conti764 (Reply 5):
If they'd go for the right wing, they'll loose the moderate voters. They'll either vote democratic the next election, won't vote at all or the GOP would even risk being torn into two parties with one republican moderate alternative to what is the GOP today.

Also what is shocking to us Non-Americans (and a lot of Americans as well) is that there are many in the GOP who will say that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough.

Quoting Conti764 (Reply 5):
If they'd go down the more moderate path however, it is almost a given the Tea Party goes its own way. Unlike the rather fragmented and unorganized moderate fractions within the GOP, you already have a strong based and well organized Tea Party.

The concept of the Tea Party is a good thing if it was genuine. They got attention on reigning in the fiscal situation that needs to be addressed in the US which most people agree on.

They fail on this:

- Where were they when GWB was running up deficits.
- Why are they so involved with social issues to the point that they unseated established GOP senators in primaries who had double digit leads over their dem opponents.
- The country at large wants both sides to work together.

Quoting Conti764 (Reply 5):
Either way the GOP is in major trouble, whereas the Dem's get a rather solid base and voting public. I won't expect a republican president in the next few elections due to the reasons above, unless Obama screws up big time or the democrats fail to produce a good presidential candidate in four years, but that's doubtful as well.

They may win a few elections here and there but the GOP has ignored the changing demographics in the US while the dems have embraced it and are now very far behind. Minorities, women and young people simply don't embrace what the GOP stands for and there are very few Republicans who acknowledge this and those are the ones the party has to listen to. Here are a few that get it:

- Margaret Hoover
- Meghan McCain
- SE Cupp
- Michael Steele
- Joe Scarborough
- Steve Schmidt
- David Frum



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5649 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 6):

Also what is shocking to us Non-Americans (and a lot of Americans as well) is that there are many in the GOP who will say that they lost because Romney wasn't conservative enough.

It's probably a slightly smaller number than those that believe one Black left-leaning politician can destroy "the greatest country in the world for the last 250 years", in a mere 8 years.



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