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CIA Director Petraeus Resigns.  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1886 times:
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Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair. Sources expect the President to offer the top spy boss position to Deputy Mike Morrell.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/natio...xtra-Marital-Affair-178159541.html

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail. Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

A real shame, though.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Do you think one day the US populace will stop caring about the sex life of their politicians ? I mean caring in a bad way, reading on it in glossy magazines is fine.

A top minister of the French government, Minister of Industrial Renewal Arnaud Montebourg, a media darling and popular candidate in the socialist primary (I voted for him), has been dating prominent TV and print journalist Audrey Pulvar for years, making it to many such magazines. Just yesterday she kissed another journalist to show their support for marriage equality : could you imagine that all situation in the US ?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
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Quoting Aesma (Reply 2):
Do you think one day the US populace will stop caring about the sex life of their politicians ?

I would generally agree with you, but in this case, this is the head of the CIA. Do we really want that hanging over his head?

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

The other question is who he was having an affair with. Supposing I ever find myself in the position of his wife, I don't know whether forgiveness will be an option (one of these situations you have to be in to really know, I think), but I certainly can't imagine that forgiveness would extend to staying at the same job if that is where the affair began.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
I would generally agree with you, but in this case, this is the head of the CIA. Do we really want that hanging over his head?

It only hangs because revealing the affair would be damaging.



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
The other question is who he was having an affair with

His biographer, apparently. Not a great idea to bang a journalist when you are a nation's top spy.

[Edited 2012-11-09 14:35:30]

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13547 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
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Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

I'm sorry to see him go, but appreciate him waiting until after the election before acting. I also appreciate his service to the nation over many years and hope his personal life can be returned to a better relationship.

Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

There are positions in government where a security clearance is taken away when things like this happen. Head of the CIA is clearly one of those jobs.

Now I believe it is time to let the guy move into private life. We can have a lot of respect for his service, but now we should leave him and his family alone.


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
Quoting fxramper (Thread starter):
Nice of him to wait until Obama was re-elected. I don't see why he couldn't have kept his post and got counseling for his affair.

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

That's what I thought when I first saw the story. An affair is just a convenient excuse for something else, either his own dissatisfaction or the administration's.


User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 488 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously

I'm sure all kinds of batshit crazy right-wingers are working on various crackpot theories as we speak but until we hear, via the usual channels, what they are this story is pretty much all we have to go on.

Petraeus seemed to be well respected across the political spectrum so in that sense it's a pity he has to resign.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail.

More importantly, he's the director of the CIA and he can't even keep his own affair a secret.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Yes. There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

I'm pretty sure on the list of "woman the Director of the CIA shouldn't have an affair with" journalist comes right after that "that sweet secretary working at the Chinese embassy".

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):

You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?

And here we go!

The timing is iffy to be sure but I think it was for the best for everyone involved that the announcement happened after the election rather than before- you don't want a politicized CIA or military beyond what we have already. And people have in resigned over nothing more than affairs in the past, so it's not out of the question. But if it is in fact related to his job performance we'll probably know soon enough, there are enough people with an interest in finding the full story and enough people who'd probably be happy to talk about it.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Somebody has to take the fall for the clusterf**k that is our involvement in Libya. Beyond that, there are far greater considerations when people with top secret clearence are screwing around. It is a well known door for spys.

User currently offlinetrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Just curious, is it illegal to have an affair? I know in some countries it is, This is what wikipedia says
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery
United States
In the United States, laws vary from state to state. In those states where adultery is still on the statute books (although rarely prosecuted), penalties vary from life sentence (Michigan)[51] to a $10 fine (Maryland) to a Class B misdemeanor (New York)[52] to a Class I felony (Wisconsin).[53] In the state of South Carolina, the criminal fine for adultery is a fine no greater than $500 and/or imprisonment for no more than one year [South Carolina code 16-15-60], yet the divorce laws codified at South Carolina Code Section 20-3-60(A) deny alimony to the adulterous spouse, which in some cases can cost the adulterous spouse millions of dollars in future income.[54]
In the U.S. Military, adultery is a potential court-martial offense.[14] The enforceability of adultery laws in the United States is unclear following Supreme Court decisions since 1965 relating to privacy and sexual intimacy of consenting adults.[55] However, occasional prosecutions do occur.[56]


In Indian law, adultery is defined as sex between a man and a woman without the consent of the woman's husband. The man is prosecutable and can be sentenced for up to five years (even if he himself was unmarried) whereas the married woman cannot be jailed.[46] Men have called the law gender discrimination in that women cannot be prosecuted for adultery[47] and the National Commission of Women has criticized the British era law of being anti-feminist as it treats women as the property of their husbands and has consequentially recommended deletion of the law or reducing it to a civil offense. The Government is yet to act.[48] Extramarital sex without the consent of one's partner can be a valid grounds for monetary penalty on government employees, as ruled by the Central Administrative Tribunal.[49]


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):

You really think he's going to put his wife through this public humiliation to hide something else????



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation

Yep, SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 13):
nd. It is a well known door for spies

She's a journalist, 'nuff said.

The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

[Edited 2012-11-09 15:56:24]


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11262 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Normally, I'd agree, but you really don't want your CIA director involved in something that could be an opportunity for blackmail. Disloyalty is a problem in that position.

This is exactly correct, and probably the top reason for the resignation.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
Yep, SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

Clinton had already hinted that she was stepping down as Secy of State at the end of the term, which is quite typical. Few Secretaries of State or Attorneys General have ever stayed for two terms. (Bush43: Powell/Rice, Clinton: Christopher/Albright, Reagan: Haig/Schultz/Baker, Nixon: Rogers/Kissinger)

So yeah... history says this isn't a conspiracy.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew.

1) Holder is not in the White House
2) The Story is not cited anywhere in your post. Gotta link?



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
And that means the White House knew.

Do you have any idea how much information enters the White House every day from various government agencies?

More than can be read by the entire White House staff.

Information provided to the President is only a very small part of that total.

Back during the Iran-Contra Congressional Hearings, Adm Poindexter was asked why he did not tell the President certain specifics about the Regan administration trading with Iran. He said because he wanted the President to be able to deny knowledge of the details.

That happens a lot in major corporations and in government.

If Holder knew, until he had proof positive, he would not tell the President. He might tell the National Security Advisor and leave the decision to tell or not tell the President to him. Holder isn't exactly the President's favorite cabinet secretary these days.

----------------------------------------

Here is something else to thing about - Petraeus would be eligible for about $14,000 per month in retirement pay. A quick internet search says in 1999 the $5,000 per year limit for retired officers employed in civilian federal government positions was removed.

Laws to protect military spouses entitle his wife to take half of his retirement pay if they divorce. He needs to work hard on patching up his marriage. He also probably pays $910 per month for the Survivor Benefit Plan - which allows his wife to receive 55% of his retirement pay if he dies before her. If they divorce, he will not be allowed to cancel that deduction.

So if his marriage breaks up - his wife gets $7,000 per month before taxes and he gets $6,090 per month put pays taxes on $7,000.

[Edited 2012-11-09 16:33:42]

User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 15):

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 8):

You really think he's going to put his wife through this public humiliation to hide something else????

The Company comes before anyone, or anyone's wife. It is perfectly plausible that it is only an affair however if the White House was happy with him I doubt they'd really let him resign over it and it is a politically expedient and morally righteous way for them to get rid of him if they wanted to. Most likely just a reshuffle after the Benghazi incident which should not have happened.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

... you know how skeptical I am of whether there was a Benghazi cover up, but it does seem kinda suspicious/coincidental that he'd resign now


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User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Sad to see him go down like this. He is one of the best generals we have had in a VERY long time. Probably since Eisenhower/Patton/McAurther. Marital or non-marital issues aside, my hat is off to him.


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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Just read that the CEO-in-waiting for Lockheed Martin just resigned because the process that was screening him for the CEO job discovered he was dipping his pen in the company inkwell. The reports about Petraeus seem to indicate he was boinking his biographer, who wasn't in his chain of command at the time.

I guess this means we need to wait to find out who #3 is.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

One of the news stories was that the FBI was given a "tip" and started an investigation.

I have a feeling that the progress of the FBI investigation was the main factor in everyone else's schedule. Neither Holder nor anyone in the White House was going to touch this bomb while the election was on the table.

Quoting D L X (Reply 17):
This is exactly correct, and probably the top reason for the resignation.

The CIA is one of those government agencies that will have a lot of very important rules and regulations. It is the duty of the DIrector to uphold those rules and regulations - not break them.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

What is interesting is that this biographer was being investigated by the FBI for allegations she was trying to get into his confidential e-mail accounts. That brought out the alleged affair. To let someone even get near that is cause to be fired/resigned. Problem with many rich/powerful people is that they usually can get away with affairs and all kinds of bad stuff but in this day of the Internet, Twitter and 'gotcha' media you can't get away with it.

User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Yes. There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.

But, that does not sell. It does not sing. The bottom line is what drives FOX and the right-wing media. Every hour there will be something new and this will not be over. Not even if God Himself comes down from the Heavens and says "Here is the truth" the right-wing media will declare it is all a hoax by the "liberal" MSM.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
SOS Clinton will be right behind him as wanting to spend more time with her family.

She was already going to resign.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

Seriously?

Yes. Petraeus has always struck me as an honorable man. If he didn't have an affair, why would he allow his name to be sullied by saying that he had, when he could have just used the "to spend more time with his family" line?

-Mir



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5592 posts, RR: 6
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):

More importantly, he's the director of the CIA and he can't even keep his own affair a secret.

As director of the CIA, he should have known that NOTHING stays a secret for long.



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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1981 times:
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Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 6):
You really think it was an affair that prompted his resignation?

And they're off...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):
There's no reason to start all the conspiracy theories until there's actual evidence.

But it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory if facts were involved.   

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 16):
The story is that AG Eric Holder knew (via FBI). And that means the White House knew. So why did the Obama Administration let a compromised asset stay (until after the election)?

So they could win the election, dummy. It's all part of the liberal-media socialist plan. Jeez.   



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 5):
His biographer, apparently. Not a great idea to bang a journalist when you are a nation's top spy.

The woman is not your ordinary journalist/reporter.

Here are Paula Kranz' credentials:

Paula Broadwell is a research associate at Harvard University’s Center for Public Leadership and a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of War Studies, King’s College London.
She spent much of the past year in Afghanistan as an embedded author, extending her doctoral dissertation on transformational leadership and organizational innovation based on the career of U.S. Army General David Petraeus.
...
She has served with the U.S. intelligence community, U.S. Special Operations Command, and FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces. Paula earned an M.A. with honors from the University of Denver’s Josef Korbel School of International Studies and an MPA degree from Harvard’s John F. Kennedy School of Government.

http://www.penguinspeakersbureau.com/speakers/page/paula_broadwell

Harvard graduate, reporter, access to one of the US most powerful military commanders.

 


David Petraeus Almost Resigned Over Obama's Decision To Withdraw Surge Forces From Afghanistan, New Book Claims

WASHINGTON — Four-star general-turned-CIA director David Petraeus was urged to resign as Afghanistan war commander over President Barack Obama's decision to quickly draw down surge forces, according to a new insider's look at Petraeus' 37-year Army career.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...-petraeus-biography_n_1174109.html

 Wow!



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
Harvard graduate, reporter, access to one of the US most powerful military commanders.

And apparently worth a roll in the hay.

I wonder whose idea it was?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 30):
And apparently worth a roll in the hay.

The mistress --> Paula Broadwell

Quite nice looking in fact... which the wifey apparently isn't.

Look here:

Wednesday January 25, 2012
Paula Broadwell
Paula Broadwell discusses her time spent with General David Petraeus in war-torn Afghanistan while researching her book "All In."
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-25-2012/paula-broadwell

Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

 Wow!



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 31):
Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

It actually hurts him more than it could possibly help him in any investigation.

He isn't going to be re-elected in the future. He isn't going to be impeached. He isn't going to have any thing happen because of any investigation. It is all political posturing.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Why was Obama hiding this Petraeus situation until after the election same as they also hid the US drone attack by Iran?

   Wow!



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Have you seen a timeline about when the affair occurred and when the FBI determined there was enough evidence to inform the Attorney General?

Have you seen anything that proves when the Attorney General told the President?

1. The drone attack is a non-issue in the US. Nobody cares.

2. The timing of the resignation might have been postponed until after the election since Prateus is obviously such a strong Democratic Party supporter. However, the decision to resign hurts rather than helps the President.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 34):
2. The timing of the resignation might have been postponed until after the election

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters On Petraeus: "Timing Is Just Too Perfect"
LT. COL. RALPH PETERS: The timing is just too perfect for the Obama administration. Just as the administration claimed it was purely coincidence that our Benghazi consulate was attacked on the anniversary of September 11th. Now it’s purely coincidence that this affair -- extra-marital affair -- surfaces right after the election, not before, but right after, but before the intelligence chiefs go to Capitol Hill to get grilled.

read more + video:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...us_timing_is_just_too_perfect.html

 



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 29):
The woman is not your ordinary journalist/reporter.

Wich makes it all the more amazing that she participated in the affair. Surely she understood that it would end up in the public view.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 31):
Any who think that the alleged affair is all that there is to this story are incredibly naive.

Emails were the problem. The FBI was given a tip of abuses on emails and started an investigation. That was the start of the end.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Obama held off making a decision to accept the resignation for 24 hours. He was obviously saddened by the situation and would have preferred that it had not happened.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 33):
Why was Obama hiding this Petraeus situation until after the election same as they also hid the US drone attack by Iran?

I doubt very seriously that he was aware of the situation until this eek. He had far more important things on his mind before then.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 34):
Have you seen anything that proves when the Attorney General told the President?

It appears that Petraeus was the one that told the White House, not the AG. I have a feeling that Holder would have minimized any involvement in the investigation. There was nothing needed from him by the FBI and there was probably little desire to handle that politically hot potato.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 35):
Lt. Col. Ralph Peters

You need to quote a credible source rather than a Soviet intel specialist who has been wrong, wrong, wrong in his political commentary over the past 10-12 years. But since he appears to be very good at telling people their conspiracy beliefs are correct rather than searching for truth - he has make a lot of money.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 36):
There was nothing needed from him by the FBI and there was probably little desire to handle that politically hot potato.

Over the past 20-30 years, the FBI has worked very hard to keep their investigations separated from the political process. Not always without success, but they do try.

The FBI does not bring an incomplete investigation to the AG and the political section of the Justice Department. The FBI does have a certain degree of political independence.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 37):
The FBI does not bring an incomplete investigation to the AG and the political section of the Justice Department. The FBI does have a certain degree of political independence.

I'll agree with that, but I believe that there are some situations where the AG will be advised of an investigation that has been started. Not for political reasons, but as SOP. This particular situation was, IMO, more related to the nature of the CIA than anything political.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1959 times:

Just spotted this - a pretty good indication why the FBI got involved in hte first place:

[quote
The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

When Petraeus’s name first surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and security had been breached. But the sexual nature of the e-mails led them to conclude that Petraeus and Broadwell were engaged in an affair, the officials said.
[/quote]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b2-eda299503684_story.html?hpid=z1


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Director of the CIA and not able to use a random email account and cryptography ?


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):
Director of the CIA and not able to use a random email account and cryptography ?

No.

As a senior military officer, and more importantly as Director of the CIA - he would be required to use an e-mail account to which his agency had access.

Just think of it - the FBI finds out the top spy in the country is communicating with an unknown person with a secret e-mail account and using encryption to keep the agency from knowing what he is sending. An affair would be the 'best case'.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):

President Obama has absolutely nothing to gain politically or personally from the resignation.

Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month). If push ever came to shove in the Benghazi deal it was going to be Petraeus who could throw Obama under the bus. Someone needed to discredit him and make him a non-factor. How can Petraeus be trusted with anything he says, He's an immoral scumbag!

Broadwell was a 1996 West Point grad and worked as an Army intel officer (now we know how she got her intel)



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1953 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 41):
No.

As a senior military officer, and more importantly as Director of the CIA - he would be required to use an e-mail account to which his agency had access.

Just think of it - the FBI finds out the top spy in the country is communicating with an unknown person with a secret e-mail account and using encryption to keep the agency from knowing what he is sending. An affair would be the 'best case'.

Well I'm not saying he should use a random account in general, just that he should have used one with the woman, and of course not on CIA property but rather from a disposable cellphone or something. Of course if discovered it would look suspicious, but at least there is less chance of being discovered. A smarter thing to do (aside from not screwing around) would be to not communicate at all with her outside of scheduling interviews, which was easy since they had a legitimate reason to meet. Paper mail is also an option.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
just that he should have used one with the woman, and of course not on CIA property but rather from a disposable cellphone or something. Of course if discovered it would look suspicious, but at least there is less chance of being discovered. A smarter thing to do (aside from not screwing around) would be to not communicate at all with her outside of scheduling interviews, which was easy since they had a legitimate reason to meet


The classified material agreements I signed while in the US Navy were not on his security clearance level, nor his command level. And they were long before e-mail.

But I gave the US Navy the right to look at any communication I sent or received, which at time was mail or telephone.

I'm sure he was warned in such an agreement that using private communications was not only a career ending offense, but possibly a criminal offense.

I agree with your basic thought - but if he was thinking clearly, he would never have taken his pants off.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month). If push ever came to shove in the Benghazi deal it was going to be Petraeus who could throw Obama under the bus. Someone needed to discredit him and make him a non-factor.

If he has something on the President, they would have done everything possible to cover this up and keep him in office.

This resignation does not discredit him, and it makes him a much bigger factor in any investigation.

He will testify in Congressional Hearings. The resignation will not stop that.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
Just a hunch, but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month)

Do we really know how long the actual affair was going on? Do we really care? Let's be blunt - he was caught in an unacceptable situation and it was exposed because of emails. I hate to say it, but how stupid are some supposedly bright people who get caught because of emails. The guy was discredited because of his overactive penis.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):

While I agree we should be staying out of others'/politicians' personal lives, he did use official computers/emails for inappropriate use. If he had looked at porn he would have been in deep trouble as well, so I can see sending dirty emails is very similar. Plus, I'm not a security expert, but there may have very well been some security issues here. I think this may have been very different than the typical over-hyping over sex.

That being said, GEN Petraeus has served his country extremely well. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on a great career



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
I hate to say it, but how stupid are some supposedly bright people who get caught because of emails.

Indeed, but the core issue isn't his use of e-mail, but the fact that he put himself into a position to be subject to blackmail.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
The guy was discredited because of his overactive penis.

I suppose if he was unmarried and didn't fear exposure of the affair and was discreet, he and his overactive penis could have gotten away with it.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47):
Plus, I'm not a security expert, but there may have very well been some security issues here. I think this may have been very different than the typical over-hyping over sex.

There are - he could easily been blackmailed. This type of thing is well known in espionage as the honey pot or honey trap. It is known to work well with all the various genders and sexual orientations.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47):
That being said, GEN Petraeus has served his country extremely well. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on a great career

Yeah, I suppose, but boy was he stupid to let an affair undermine himself and his office and his family life.

We're all human, but geez, if you want to play the field, get a divorce first!



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

I think some A.netter's tagline is perfect. "It takes 20 years to build a reputation, 5 minutes to destroy it"


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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12462 posts, RR: 46
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
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Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
Someone needed to discredit him and make him a non-factor.

You know, it completely fits in with...

Quoting scbriml (Reply 28):
It's all part of the liberal-media socialist plan.

Damn, this is going to be a long four years.   



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 48):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 47):
That being said, GEN Petraeus has served his country extremely well. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and congratulate him on a great career

Yeah, I suppose, but boy was he stupid to let an affair undermine himself and his office and his family life.

We're all human, but geez, if you want to play the field, get a divorce first!

Hyperactive penises have plagued humanity forever. It's only human. He should take his punishment (as he is now) and move on



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 46):
Do we really know how long the actual affair was going on?
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 42):
but I think Petraeus was set up because this affair happened in a flash (less than a month).

Information is surfacing today that the threatening e-mails and the investigation started about June or July.

From CNN and FOX - both use the same quote from "The top Republican on the House Homeland Security Committee" - Representative Peter King, Republican from New York.

Quote:
"It just doesn't add up," King, R-New York, said on CNN. "You have this type of investigation. The FBI investigating e-mails, the e-mails leading to the CIA director, and taking four months to find out that the CIA director was involved. I have real questions about this. I think a timeline has to be looked at and analyzed to see what happened."

That there was an investigation was being kept to only a few people.

Quote:
According to a congressional aide familiar with the matter, the House and Senate intelligence committees weren't informed that there was an FBI investigation into Petraeus until Friday.

That is not unusual. Congress members always complain if they are not briefed near the start of an investigation, and the FBI hates doing that. Quite a few major criminal cases have been abandoned after Congressional staffers leaked information about 'top secret' investigations.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2828 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 51):
Hyperactive penises have plagued humanity forever. It's only human. He should take his punishment (as he is now) and move on

I sort of agree with you there, however I don't think this will be going away anytime soon.

BTW

Second woman identified and named.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/second-w...downfall-named-20121112-297j1.html

A family friend too.   



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11262 posts, RR: 52
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

There are an awful lot of moving parts here. Gonna be hard to demagogue this.





Given that, I wonder what Fox News is going to do? Because we know they aren't going to wait for information to decide that it's all Obama's fault.



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 51):

Hyperactive penises have plagued humanity forever. It's only human.

It's too easy to just blame men for everything, though.

On a gut level, the lady seems extremely creepy and ambitious, while Petraeus generally proved he is a good guy, overall, IMO.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 55):
the lady seems extremely creepy and ambitious

The youtube video where Ms Kranz-Broadwell gives her talk at the U of Colorado symposium has been deleted. Part of it is here. But youtube will be scrambling to take it down.

Paula Broadwell spilling secret CIA information
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn_TACkSVLs

 Wow!  



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 43):
Well I'm not saying he should use a random account in general, just that he should have used one with the woman, and of course not on CIA property but rather from a disposable cellphone or something. Of course if discovered it would look suspicious, but at least there is less chance of being discovered. A smarter thing to do (aside from not screwing around) would be to not communicate at all with her outside of scheduling interviews, which was easy since they had a legitimate reason to meet. Paper mail is also an option.

For some reason, I think that between being the supreme allied commander in Afghanistan and director of the CIA, Petraues wasn't find time to stop by his local Walmart to pick up a burner phone.

No matter which email account he used, they investigated Mrs. (soon to be Ms. most likely) Broadwell's email account. That is how they discovered the emails between the two.



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User currently offlineGatorman96 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 40):
Director of the CIA and not able to use a random email account and cryptography ?

Using CIA assets to hide an affair would be SIGNIFICANTLY worse than the affair itself.



Cha brro
User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 55):
It's too easy to just blame men for everything, though.

In general, yes, but here we're talking about a West Point grad who rose through the ranks and ended up as a four star general who was in charge of major military theaters of operation with massive numbers of troops. One would think he'd know a thing or two about discipline.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 55):
On a gut level, the lady seems extremely creepy and ambitious, while Petraeus generally proved he is a good guy, overall, IMO.

Yes, it's hard to resist temptation, but he did take marriage vows. If he wanted to fool around, it was just a matter of filing for divorce or at least legal separation.



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User currently offlinedon From Japan, joined Jun 2003, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1934 times:

From Jay Leno:

The head of the CIA and former General David Petraeus has resigned because of an extramarital affair. So guys, let that be a lesson for you. If the CIA director who has access to best secret tools such as false identities and safe houses can't keep an affair secret, you don't have a chance.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1932 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 48):
I suppose if he was unmarried and didn't fear exposure of the affair and was discreet, he and his overactive penis could have gotten away with it.

Unfortunately the General's Privates were pointed at a married lady, which isn't very bright either.

The reality is that Petraeus is a married man - and married to a pretty nice lady. This lady is the one being publicly humiliated and punished.

And then there is a son currently serving in the military. He is being hit with humiliation and may not be able to serve at a carer level because of Dear Old Dad's zipper problem.

The guy might have gotten away with "it" except his shack up went nasty and sent out threatening emails that were turned over to the FBI.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 61):
Unfortunately the General's Privates were pointed at a married lady, which isn't very bright either.

Yes. I didn't realize this when I wrote the above.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 61):
The guy might have gotten away with "it" except his shack up went nasty and sent out threatening emails that were turned over to the FBI.

Another dereliction - poor judge of character with regard to his mistresses, although she was/is a West Point and Harvard grad, and on her way to a PhD (at least till the scandal hit).

As an old Yiddish saying goes, "when your ____ (male sexual organ) stands up, your brain lies in ____ (fecal matter)"...



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1926 times:
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ABC News is reporting Petraeus could face criminal charges and that AG Holder knew about this months a go and failed to disclose.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-d...obe/story?id=17696177#.UKGTao5ORFJ


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 63):
and failed to disclose.

I disagree with that as some kind of failure or anything unusual or underhanded. From the article you linked:

Quote:
The FBI withheld its findings about Gen. David Petreaus' affair from the White House and congressional leaders because the agency considered them the result of a criminal investigation that never reached the threshold of an intelligence probe, law enforcement sources said today.
Quoting fxramper (Reply 63):
that AG Holder knew about this months a go

I don't see Holder's name anywhere in the story, but am willing to give you the benefit of doubt that it has been edited. Also I see Fox News reporting that Holder was told of the investigation in late summer.

I find this line in the Fox News story hilarious

Quote:
However, several lawmakers and other officials say the mere fact that Petraeus was flagged in an investigation should have been reason enough to kick the issue up from the Justice Department to the White House.

The 'lawmakers' and 'other officials' have no idea the protections used by the FBI to keep the politicians out of investigation.

An Attorney General who runs to the White House with details of every sensative investigation that is starting, will quickly find himself left out of the loop by the FBI. The AG has to keep information about current investigations to himself.

And Congress has proven to be impossible to keep such secrets. (Mostly the professional staff members, not the actual Congressmen and Senators - though there are several who are not trusted with any secret/ sensative information.)

This paragraph in the FoxNews story

Quote:
Further, according to the Wall Street Journal, a 2007 memo from then-Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Justice employees were not supposed to tell the White House or Congress about pending criminal investigations.

That's the G.W. Bush AG, not an Obama AG.

While Fox and some Republicans find it impossible to believe, the FBI and AG were only following policy if they did not notify Congress or the White House because so far we've not heard anything the investigation uncovering any security leaks.

Also, when an FBI employee did call the office of the House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (Republican, VA) - who called the FBI and reported the leak of information about a current investigation. Probably named the 'leaker'.


------------------------

You also didn't mention that the first the White House heard about the affair and investigation was Wednesday, Nov - the day after Election Day

Quote:
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was made aware of the Petraeus situation Tuesday evening around 5 p.m. by the FBI, according to a senior intelligence source.

.....

Despite the lengthy investigation into Broadwell by the FBI, the White House says it was not made aware of it until Wednesday, the day after the election, a revelation that surprised many.

which shoots down Benghazi cover-up scenarios.



Link to FoxNews story - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ied-petraeus-probe-in-late-summer/


[Edited 2012-11-12 16:58:07]

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

This is sure a mess... I don't really pay attention to mainstream media outlets (for good reason) but are there any crazy conspiracy theories flying around or people (from both sides) jumping to conclusions?


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 65):
are there any crazy conspiracy theories flying around or people (from both sides) jumping to conclusions?

1) Petraeus was forced to resign because he had information on Benghazi that would show the President was a liar. To keep him from testifying before Congress.

Does't hold water because he will most certainly still testify before Congress. The nature of the resignation does not in any way discredit him as a source.

2) The affair was manufactured after Benghazi to cover up ..... - see theory 1.

3) The President ordered Petraeus to stay in office and keep quiet because his resignation could cause the President to lose the election.

4) The whole affair is a fake. Created by liberals to make a potential Republican 2016 candidate unelectable.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 66):
3) The President ordered Petraeus to stay in office and keep quiet because his resignation could cause the President to lose the election.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, but honestly, I could see this. It's just politics, nothing far-fetched. Of course I'm not gonna accuse anyone until I see some facts but I'm not gonna be surprised if this was the case



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Wait... what?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...-11e2-b631-2aad9d9c73ac_story.html

Eric Cantor (R)-Virginia knew before the election but didn't say anything? Because he didn't know the source? And didn't say anything to smear Obama? The guy might have a single teeny tiny shread of decency after all. Might.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 64):
That's the G.W. Bush AG, not an Obama AG.

And this same AG said on CNN he found it highly unlikely that the WH didn't know.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 64):
I find this line in the Fox News story hilarious

Quote:
However, several lawmakers and other officials say the mere fact that Petraeus was flagged in an investigation should have been reason enough to kick the issue up from the Justice Department to the White House.

The 'lawmakers' and 'other officials' have no idea the protections used by the FBI to keep the politicians out of investigation.

An Attorney General who runs to the White House with details of every sensative investigation that is starting, will quickly find himself left out of the loop by the FBI. The AG has to keep information about current investigations to himself.

And Congress has proven to be impossible to keep such secrets. (Mostly the professional staff members, not the actual Congressmen and Senators - though there are several who are not trusted with any secret/ sensative information.)

Let's face it, this the kind of stuff the tabloids and the Hollywood producers love.

You've got a man in power taken down by his inability to control his lust for a woman.

It's as old as Samson and Delilah.

Of course the other power brokers want "in" on the story as soon as they can get "in", it's their stock in trade.

Controlling the flow of this kind of juicy gossip is exactly how JE Hoover kept himself in power for so long.

I'm glad this kind of stuff is not being leaked as often as it may have been in the past.

Congress is going to get its bite at the apple.

IMHO it's better to do so after the man himself admitted his role.



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User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 69):
And this same AG said on CNN he found it highly unlikely that the WH didn't know.

...and if they did know? Investigations are usually kept quiet until all the facts are gathered. And if the resignation was delayed until after the election, is that illegal?


A Democrat has been re-elected to the Presidency. So now it's time for impeachment, apparently.


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 59):
Yes, it's hard to resist temptation, but he did take marriage vows. If he wanted to fool around, it was just a matter of filing for divorce or at least legal separation.

Marriage vows count for women like Paula Broadwell just as much as with men like Petraeus. I am not sure why you single out marriage vows as a male responsibility.

I'm just trying to -- as a thought experiment -- get beyond the cliches and blaming men for everything like this. Because that is usually what happens. He does not seem like a monster to me -- but she could be. JMO


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 68):
The guy might have a single teeny tiny shread of decency after all. Might.

I believe he might have understood that the FBI agent briefing him did so outside the policies of the FBI. At that point any comments he could have made would have caused far more problems for the FBI, and for Pertraeus.

The FBI agent, BTW, is now subject to an internal review on his going outside of policies.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 73):
I believe he might have understood that the FBI agent briefing him did so outside the policies of the FBI.

Yes, that's true. I just wonder how long it will be before we hear "Cantor was threatened by the Obama administraion." I have zero faith in the right-wing spin machine that is FOX and AM radio.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 72):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 59):
Yes, it's hard to resist temptation, but he did take marriage vows. If he wanted to fool around, it was just a matter of filing for divorce or at least legal separation.

Marriage vows count for women like Paula Broadwell just as much as with men like Petraeus. I am not sure why you single out marriage vows as a male responsibility.

As above:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 62):
I didn't realize this when I wrote the above.

so indeed if he was single and she was not, it'd be adulterous and thus a concern.

At the time I wrote #59, it was not widely being reported that she too was married, even though many other aspects of her background (such as her West Point and Harvard degrees and previous military service) were being reported.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 74):
I have zero faith in the right-wing spin machine that is FOX and AM radio.

So if this is ying and yang then you have total faith in the liberal media...tells me all I need to know.

Apparently, Petraeus personally went to BEN in early Oct. to investigate the attack and now he doesn't want to testify. What he didn't find a video?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/...bya/story?id=17706615#.UKJuj-NdeXs



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1915 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 55):
Quoting Flighty (Reply 72):

The reason I (and I think others) are coming down harder on Petraeus is because he's the man with the high profile job and reputation. Had he been a girl and the partner a male, I'd still be bashing on the the CIA director and former general, not just the male



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11572 posts, RR: 15
Reply 78, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 76):
So if this is ying and yang then you have total faith in the liberal media...tells me all I need to know.

No, but the "liberal" media is at least questioning everything instead of just going along with what the doners are telling them. The right-wing media (FOX, AM radio, etc.) go on and on about charicter is everything until some of their own is caught with prostitutes or foot tapping in airport rest rooms. Then, it is about cover ups. Until we find out their own are covering everything up. Then, it is about....

It is about everything but what it needs to be about: what is best for the American people. Patreus is actually doing what is best for the American people, and that is resigning so an investigation into his private life will not mar an investigation into Bengazi which is a non-story, as any logical person knows.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 79, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1912 times:
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It's get's more twisted. DC Park Police had a jogger turn in Broadwell's lost NC driver's license...


http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...ll-driver-license-found-in-dc-park


User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8468 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 77):
The reason I (and I think others) are coming down harder on Petraeus is because he's the man with the high profile job and reputation. Had he been a girl and the partner a male, I'd still be bashing on the the CIA director and former general, not just the male

LOL, well, if you put it that way, it makes a lot of sense yeah  


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 81, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

One serious issue this investigation has brought up is how the government can have access with few judicial and constitutional checks as to e-mail accounts and other forms of modern communications for 'national security' of high level government officials. This is something we all should be concerned with and we need to look at our laws to assure sufficient protections of privacy yet balance our national security needs.

This situation once again proves that the base crime or immoral act isn't the problem that gets someone in trouble, it is the cover up that does.

Sadly once again for the media and politicians sex sells more than far more serious issues in our society and of the individuals involved. Some in the media are using the disclosures of Gen. Peterus's affair to push their political agendas from the attack of the US Consulate in Benghazi and how it was or was not defended that killed 4 Americans, to bashing AG Holder, the FBI, the CIA and the White House/Pres. Obama ('what did they know and when did they know it'). Politicians will use it to bash the moral failings of the General and the women, including in the expected congressional and senate committee hearings rather than spend the time on dealing with the 'fiscal cliff' no one really wants to deal with anyway.

Women of accomplishment lose in these well published situations. It does take 'two to tango' as it often said, but women who get involved in affairs sometimes suffer far worse than the men involved. It also lowers the 'glass ceiling' for women in general and distracts from real accomplishments. This week, 2 major military contractors appointed women in top executive positions, one due to the male candidate involved in a sexual affair with a subordinate in the company. That is put on the back business pages instead of the front pages as a sign of real accomplishment for women.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 75):
previous military service)

Ms. Broadwell is currently a Lt. Col. in the Army Reserve.



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12422 posts, RR: 25
Reply 83, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1902 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 81):
One serious issue this investigation has brought up is how the government can have access with few judicial and constitutional checks as to e-mail accounts and other forms of modern communications for 'national security' of high level government officials.

I agree. One account I read said that the FBI did get a warrant to look at the e-mail, but that warrant came from a prosecutor not a judge, which didn't make sense to me.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 81):
This situation once again proves that the base crime or immoral act isn't the problem that gets someone in trouble, it is the cover up that does.

Not exactly sure where you are coming from. Is there evidence the General ever denied the accusation? A lot of the other stuff (why didn't Congress get told, when did the WH know?) to me is just muck raking so from my point of view isn't of much consequence.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 84, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 83):
One account I read said that the FBI did get a warrant to look at the e-mail, but that warrant came from a prosecutor not a judge, which didn't make sense to me.

A prosecutor obtains a warrant from a judge. The old movie process of police or FBI going directly to the judge doesn't happen any more. The prosecutors are involved early in computer crime cases, or national security cases.

The procedure for obtaining e-mails from server companies is well established and does require a warrant from a court. The initial warrants for the e-mails would have gone through the Cyber-Crimes process.

Now, a second set of procedures come into play once a National Security concern is identified. That the Director of the CIA is involved would automatically trigger those procedures. There are special courts to deal with proper security clearances for the judges and their staffs to look at those cases.

I'm sure we all understand that the position of Director of the CIA would automatically raise concerns about national security.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 85, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1902 times:
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I don't always agree with Mr. Krauthammer but he makes a solid point in this article about how the administration wanted to hold the affair over Patraeus's head for favorable Benghazi testimony. According to reports, Patraeus oversaw the investigation directly on the 9/11/12 bombing of the embassy that killed the US Ambassador to Libya.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sh...s-head-favorable-tes#ixzz2CCRIbBuC


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 1895 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 85):
I don't always agree with Mr. Krauthammer but he makes a solid point in this article...

There are no "solid points" in this article. Just conjecture. Very strained, contrived conjecture.

I guess we're still trying to find a path toward impeachment.

Oy!


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7867 posts, RR: 52
Reply 87, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 85):

I've defended the President many times before in Benghazi threads, but I would not be surprised to see a political aspect in this case. I really wouldn't, in fact, I expect politicians to act like politicians. There should be accountability, obviously, and playing politics with national security is unacceptable. But even with that, I don't see an impeachable offense or anything



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