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Huntsman Considered For U.S. Secretary Of State  
User currently offlinebestwestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7114 posts, RR: 57
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Jon Hunstsman is being considered for U.S. secretary of state according to the US media.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/5...president-fiscal-election.html.csp

This would be an excellent choice. Huntsman should have been the Republican party nominee, and would have stood a far better chance of securing the presidency with his centre right platform.

If he is selected by Obama, Bravo for stepping over the political divide to someone who is very suited to the job, and who may become a future President of the USA.


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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

If this is true, a very interesting move by Obama:

- slaves a possible future candidate to Dem foreign policy;
- keeps a very intellectual person in SecState position;
- kind of freezes other 2016 possibles since they don't know when Huntsman will resign to run
- allows Huntsman to polish his creds - which are already pretty good - in advance of a 2016 run; but are the Dems holding back something to torpedo him later on ?

Although I'm definitely a Liberal (Canadian version, and actually a party member) I have a lot of regard for Jon Huntsman as someone who thinks before he speaks - a rarity in politics these days either side of the border.

Interesting game, politics.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting bestwestern (Thread starter):
If he is selected by Obama, Bravo for stepping over the political divide to someone who is very suited to the job, and who may become a future President of the USA.

How many SecStates have become POTUS? I get the sense that it's a grueling job that usually leads to retirement.

Maybe the President is sabotaging his plans?  


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
- slaves a possible future candidate to Dem foreign policy;

I don't know if that actually helps the Democrats or not. Romney spent this whole campaign desperately trying to appear like he was ready to lay down the law while framing Obama as an overly permissive, substitute teacher on foreign policy, despite the fact that the two candidates have basically the same positions on the issues.

And on the other hand, being Secretary of State deprives Huntsman of the chance to do anything dumb on the domestic front for the next few years.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

When will Clinton retire ? Do we have any date of when the new secretary of state will be sworn in ?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):
When will Clinton retire ? Do we have any date of when the new secretary of state will be sworn in ?

She is. She said she doesn't want to be part of the cabinet again.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19510 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
She is. She said she doesn't want to be part of the cabinet again.

You make it sound like she's leaving in a huff. She said in an interview a year or two ago that she didn't want this job after 2012. You live your life on planes and switching time zones and never being at home. Few of them ever last more than 4 years.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
She is. She said she doesn't want to be part of the cabinet again.

Yes, I understand that. My question was, when will we actually know who the new secretary of state will be and when will he / she be sworn in ?


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

If I am correct, Huntsman was the US Ambassador to China (PRC) under part of the Bush Administration. China is the most critical country we have to deal with for a number of reasons so someone familiar with them would be very useful. He was also a Governor of Utah, so has executive experience. He is a reasonable conservative so probably few issues as to confirmation by the Senate and most Republicans. Choosing a Republican would be an 'across the aisle' choice as well as showing some open mindedness and not just having someone of his party any President should consider. We would need clarification as to his ideas as to the Middle East, especially as to Israel (hopefully a more balanced one), the EC with it's problems, Russia, Africa and elsewhere.

User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Politico is reporting that Susan Rice (currently US Ambassador to the UN) and John Kerry (chairman of the foreign relations committee and former) are the frontrunners for the job. Huntsman isn't named...

Hilary is expected to step down in 2013, after the whole Benghazi-investigations are finished.

Cheers!   



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5385 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):

You make it sound like she's leaving in a huff. She said in an interview a year or two ago that she didn't want this job after 2012. You live your life on planes and switching time zones and never being at home. Few of them ever last more than 4 years.

Pretty much - the last Secretary of State to last longer than four years in a 2-term administration (or between administrations) was George Shultz during the Reagan administration. Prior to that would be Dean Rusk who served under both JFK and LBJ. In fact, since the advent of air travel only Shultz, Rusk, Dulles, and Hull went longer than four years and a few months (Robert Lansing went 4 years and 8 months under Wilson).

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):
If I am correct, Huntsman was the US Ambassador to China (PRC) under part of the Bush Administration.

You are correct. He was also ambassador to Singapore at one point. If you'll recall he can speak Mandarin, which was actually a detriment to him during the Republican primaries.



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User currently offlineHOMsAR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
How many SecStates have become POTUS? I get the sense that it's a grueling job that usually leads to retirement.

Don't know the exact number, but back in the day (late 1700s/early 1800s), Secretary of State was the path to the presidency.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

I'm sure this is just speculation - but while back in Arkansas last week, I heard several people involved in the state Democratic Party say she will leave soon after the inaguration.

That is a traditional time for cabinet secretaries to step away - to give the President some fresh people for the last four years.

The second four years of an administration are very different from the first four. During the first term there is a big push to get a big policy change in place - then everything is focused on re-election. The second term is more about actually getting things done.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7873 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Jon Huntsman is a good man, one of my top picks for the Republican Primaries. He is one of the few politicians I've seen that is really willing to screw politics and work with the other side. Many Republicans called him a RINO--Republican in name only. The fact that he is willing to compromise makes me agree with that term (in a good way and not in the negative way meant originally.)

I think I'm in the minority when I say that China can be a great friend going forward in the future. Every time China is mentioned it seems like people automatically associate them as our rising enemy. Why? I know we have our differences, but if we take steps now to work with them rather than create a self-fulfilling prophecy, we can go far in the future with them. Jon Huntsman thinks the same, and as noted, he can speak mandarin.

This could very well "kill" any chance of future presidency but really, who cares? You can serve your country to its fullest and be a great asset without being the president.

I hope he gets it, he will do a great job I think. Nothing against Clinton, she did fine.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 13):
Many Republicans called him a RINO

The people who use the term RINO are those determined to destroy the Republican Party and replace it with a ultra-rightist group opposed to the very principles upon which this country was founded.

They want a government which controls every part of your life, from where you can go to church to who you can marry to who you can hire/ work for, etc.

They want to make sure they keep everyone in their place - under their thumbs.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7873 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 14):

Well I agree for the most part. I was just saying Huntsman was a "RINO" because I was jokingly saying he was reaching across the aisle, something that few Republicans actually seem to do these days, making him a "RINO."



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Huntsman would probably be a good choice - he certainly has the intellectual abilities for the position.

The position would obviously take him out of the GOP races in the future, but I really don't see the GOP returning to a position of sanity & moderates for a long time. We therefore might as well let him serve the country in a position equal to his intellect.

Actually, there are going to be a lot of senior positions open in this Administration. The CIA Directorship sadly became open yesterday. If the Number 2 (who is now temporary Director) needs to get through a congressional grilling this week. If he does well he might be the guy - at lest for a few months.


User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4257 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

This would be a shrewd move by Obama. It would save Susan Rice from what could be a very nasty confirmation hearing after her handling of Benghazi. And by not putting Kerry in the job, it would prevent Scott Brown from running for Kerry's seat in two years in an off year election where Obama's Coattails would not play the role they did in electing Elizabeth Warren, and not to mention getting a Democrat to give up a house seat. And Huntsman is widely respected on both sides of the aisle, and has experience in foreign policy.

The question though is, Obama would like to maintain tight control over foreign policy decisions as best I can tell. Would putting a republican at State be the best way to do this?


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

If you take the job as a Cabinet Secretary - you implement the President's policies.

Otherwise you resign if you disagree strongly with them, or his micro-mangement or hands off management.

A person who takes that job and does not follow the President is not as honest as the person folks indicate Huntsman to be.

Now - he might decline the job based on how he feels the President will micro-manage or hands off manage the position, which would confirm his honesty. I am certain if the offer were made, he would sit down with the President and have a very frank discussion about how the President wants the job to be done.

Huntsman is well experienced with the limitations that happen in the foreign policy world of the Department of State. He knows how things which seem simply yes/no choices to us are really very complicated to accomplish. Or might not even possible to make happen in the real world.


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21556 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 9):
Politico is reporting that Susan Rice (currently US Ambassador to the UN) and John Kerry (chairman of the foreign relations committee and former) are the frontrunners for the job. Huntsman isn't named...

Rice would be a good choice, I din't like the idea of Kerry as SecState. But neither is as good a choice as Huntsman. He knows China, he's worked with Obama before, and he would give credibility to bipartisanship.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7396 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 7):
Yes, I understand that. My question was, when will we actually know who the new secretary of state will be and when will he / she be sworn in ?

All this will be figured out in the next few months. Remember, the inauguration is Jan. 20.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):
If I am correct, Huntsman was the US Ambassador to China (PRC) under part of the Bush Administration

Yeah he was and IIRC he did quite a good job at it. Fluent in Mandarin, which is quite difficult to do.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6591 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1503 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
You make it sound like she's leaving in a huff. She said in an interview a year or two ago that she didn't want this job after 2012.

I watched a documentary about Obama last week and in it it was reported she said it right after the midterms.



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3967 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1501 times:
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Quoting ltbewr (Reply 8):
If I am correct, Huntsman was the US Ambassador to China (PRC) under part of the Bush Administration.
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10):
If you'll recall he can speak Mandarin, which was actually a detriment to him during the Republican primaries.

In 2001, Huntsman was rumored to be on the shortlist for an ambassadorship to China under the Bush administration, but he didn't get it. They offered him the top post in Indonesia instead but he turned it down and he ended up being a deputy trade representative for two years.
It is Obama who made him ambassador to China, in 2009, an ideological treason that was far more responsible for his underwhelming performance in the Republican primaries than his fluency in Mandarin was.

I think he would make an excellent secretary.



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User currently offlinevenus6971 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1501 times:

I here the term RINO allot, why isn't there DINO's?


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting venus6971 (Reply 23):
why isn't there DINO's?

They used to be known as Dixiecrats. Folks like John Stennis, George Wallace, Lloyd Bentsen, Sam Rayburn, etc.

To quote Will Rogers - "I belong to no organized party, I'm a Democrat."

The Democrats have never had a firm sense of their overall beliefs to the point that they want to exclude anyone.

The RINO label comes from people in too far to the right to be mainstream Republicans - trying to take over the party and exclude large numbers of Republicans and former Republican voters.

Like all extremist minorities, they feel their views are much more common and popular than is really the case.


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1510 times:

Quoting venus6971 (Reply 23):
I here the term RINO allot, why isn't there DINO's?

The "centrifugal" leftward-pulling forces in the Dems aren't currently as strong as the rightward-pulling forces in the GOP, in my opinion. Of course this is a condition subject to change, but right now, that seems to be how it is. Back when Obama was trying to get his health care bill passed there was talk of "blue dog Democrats" or something like that who weren't pulling as hard for some portions of it and there was some backlash, that's the most recent memory I have of Democrats making noise within their own party ideologically.


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1920 posts, RR: 7
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1514 times:

John Kerry is now also named as the new Secretary of Defense, with Susan Rice still up for the post of Secretary of State. The whole Petraeus mess makes reshuffling the cabinet quite the challenge.

Maybe Powell can head for the DOD and Kerry can go to State?

Cheers!   



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3053 posts, RR: 8
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

Considering that China-US relations are important and that the focus is no longer oriented towards the Soviets/Russia, but China, I think Huntsman would make an excellent Secretary of State. His credentials as ambassador make him an ideal choice.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 7):
Yes, I understand that. My question was, when will we actually know who the new secretary of state will be and when will he / she be sworn in ?

Clinton said she does not wish to serve another term as Secretary of State, and it is expected that she'll step down as soon as the Benghazi incident investigation is under way/finishing up.

I expect that by the end of 2013 Clinton will have resigned.



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