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Any Classic Oceanliner In Service Still?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

I know Saga Ruby is still in service but she will soon be retired. Saga Rose is being scrapped right? QM2 is an Oceanliner but she is newly built.

Any classic oceanliner in service still? If yes who are they? The largest one=?

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

As far as I know, the only vessel classified as an oceanliner and in active service as such is the QM2. There may be others, but they are likely in cruise ship service.


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User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 1):
As far as I know, the only vessel classified as an oceanliner and in active service as such is the QM2.

Painting a cruise ship black doesn't make it an ocean liner. I also challenge you to look at its schedule and see if you find anything at all resembling line service. I couldn't.



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User currently onlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2158 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 2):
Painting a cruise ship black doesn't make it an ocean liner. I also challenge you to look at its schedule and see if you find anything at all resembling line service. I couldn't.

Thats odd. One quick search on its website tells me that it is about to embark on a transatlantic journey from Southampton to New York on the 20th...


The QM2 is in fact an oceanliner and was built as such. The other Cunard ships are not.


User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1577 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

The Marco Polo is still going strong and was built and designed as an ocean liner. Wonder for how much longer she'll be sailing though.

Lovely little ship.

Mark



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19516 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 2):
Painting a cruise ship black doesn't make it an ocean liner. I also challenge you to look at its schedule and see if you find anything at all resembling line service. I couldn't.

She is a liner. She goes back and forth between NYC and Southampton. She has a stronger propulsion system, stronger structure, and higher freeboard than any cruise ship in service. She is specifically designed to handle North Atlantic storms, winds, rain, and waves.

It is true that her mission is different from the classic liners, but that is true for any classic liner still in operation. You don't use an ocean liner just to get from A to B. You use an ocean liner to enjoy the trip. If you just need to get from A to B, you use an AIRliner. They're faster and more efficient and they can cross land and sea (and any terrain) with equal ease.


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
She goes back and forth between NYC and Southampton.

Sporadic transatlantic trips, which is a rather small part of its schedule, does not make a line service.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19516 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 6):
Sporadic transatlantic trips, which is a rather small part of its schedule, does not make a line service.

That doesn't mean she isn't a liner. She's built to do it, but there aren't enough people willing to pay for that itinerary.

That's like arguing that QE2 ceased being a liner when she made her first voyage to somewhere other than NYC-Southampton.

There is NO regularly scheduled transoceanic line service of the sort that there was in, say, 1923.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 3):
Thats odd. One quick search on its website tells me that it is about to embark on a transatlantic journey from Southampton to New York on the 20th...

The QM2 is in fact an oceanliner and was built as such. The other Cunard ships are not.

100% correct on both .

Quoting bananaboy (Reply 4):
The Marco Polo is still going strong and was built and designed as an ocean liner. Wonder for how much longer she'll be sailing though.

Lovely little ship.

Indeed Marco Polo when it was with Orient Lines had a very loyal following.

[Edited 2012-11-11 12:10:23]

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):

The QM2 is in fact an oceanliner and was built as such. The other Cunard ships are not.

100% correct on both .

Big Mary belongs to the liner class. She is quite fit for doing Atlantic crossings.

Some call her a "cruise liner" as she is used for both cruises and crossings, and annual round the world journeys with Pacific crossing usually Sydney - Japan - Hawaii - U.S. West Coast - Panama canal... and onward depending on RTW configuration.

This is Big Mary's 2014 RTW route
http://www.cunard.com/PageFiles/31848/QM2_2014.pdf

http://www.cunard.com/Ships/Queen-Mary-2/

  

[Edited 2012-11-11 12:42:14]


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

The SS Oceanic (1965) was first with Home Lines from 1965 to 1985 then west to Premier Cruises from 1985 to 2000, I sailed on her when I was young as part of a Disney vacation package in 1987, she later went to Pullmantur in 2000 when Premier went out of business and sailed for the company as a regular passenger ship until 2009 when she was sold to Peace Boat as an awareness vessel until 2012, she is in preparation to be scrapped.

At this point with the retirement of the Oceanic and the the last generational oceanliner the RMS Queen Elizabeth I don't think they are any classic liners still in service.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26912 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Big Mary belongs to the liner class. She is quite fit for doing Atlantic crossings.

Indeed , one just has to watch this video to see how she was built for the TATL routes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKcqb_Ubpbo&feature=related


User currently offlinesignol From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 3003 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

How about RMS St Helena? She regularly serves the Cape Town to St Helena route, even if she is smaller than the others mentioned.

signol



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Just watched the film version of "West Side Story" and it was a nice treat to recognize the SS United States docked at NYC.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Cruiseline compnaies are offering sporadic voyages across the atlantic. This is done every every year when the various companies moves their ships from the European market to the Caribbean market.. But ofcourse going on Royal Caribbean, Carnival, Norwegian Cruise Lines, Princess etc ship across the atlantic today, it's not the same as crossing with a real oceanliner back in the days.

I for one, miss S/S Norway 


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2972 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 2):

She is classified as an oceanliner. She may not spend the whole year plying the New York-Southampton route, but that is because there are few that want to do it. Doesn't change the fact that she is an oceanliner.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
That's like arguing that QE2 ceased being a liner when she made her first voyage to somewhere other than NYC-Southampton.

QE2 was built as a hybrid vessel, not quite liner not quite cruise ship, had she been built as a pure liner we wouldn't be having this conversation as she would have been taken from service in the 70's like SS France and most likely scrapped.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 14):
I for one, miss S/S Norway

SS France wasn't even close to being a liner in the end, NCL ripped out half her engines and props which knocked back the service speed greatly, a tradegy.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4441 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 13):


Just watched the film version of "West Side Story" and it was a nice treat to recognize the SS United States docked at NYC.

The most underrated and forgotten transatlantic liner in history.


Still, to this day the holder of the Blue Riband, it could run circles around any ship made, in it's time and today.


On it's maiden voyage it AVERAGED 36 knots across the Atlantic.


The QM2 is a beautiful ship and fast by todays standard but it's a slow poke compared to it's predecessors !



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User currently offlineScooter01 From Norway, joined Nov 2006, 1201 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2830 times:
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Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
Still, to this day the holder of the Blue Riband, it could run circles around any ship made, in it's time and today.

Check out the Hales trophy (copied from Wikipedia)

In 1935, Harold K. Hales (1868–1942), a member of the UK Parliament and owner of a shipping company, commissioned a Sheffield goldsmith to produce a large trophy to be presented to the fastest ship crossing the Atlantic.[11] The four feet tall nearly 100 pound Hales Trophy is made of solid silver and heavy gilt fashioned with a globe resting on two winged figures of Victory standing on a base of carved green onyx, with an enamelled blue ribbon encircling the middle, and decorated with models of galleons, modern ocean liners and statues of Neptune and Amphitrite, god and goddess of the sea. The trophy is surmounted by a figure depicting speed pushing a three-stacked liner against a figure symbolizing the forces of the Atlantic, which is represented in blue enamel with the traditional ocean liner route indicated by a red enamelled line.[5]

The rules for the trophy did not correspond to the traditional rules for the Blue Riband in that the trophy could be awarded to any surface passenger ship achieving the fastest speed in either direction. Other rule changes further complicated the situation. For example, before the trophy was finished, Hales made arrangements to present the trophy to the Rex. In the meantime, Normandie took the record and Hales changed the rules so that any new claimant must wait three months to give the current holder a chance to beat the new record.[12] In August, 1935, the trophy was presented to the Rex,[13] and then transferred to the Normandie two months later.[14] Cunard White Star's Queen Mary was the next winner, but Cunard White Star refused to accept the trophy. The Queen's captain explained that, "We don't believe in racing on the Atlantic, or in blue ribands, or trophies and the like."[15] Hales again changed the rules so that the trophy could only be won by a "non-British ship".[1]

Hales died in 1942 and the location of the trophy was unknown when the United States Lines (USL) started planning the maiden voyage of its new record breaker, the United States. The trophy was found at the Sheffield goldsmith where it had been originally made.[16] In 1952, USL accepted the trophy at a ceremony attended by 400 guests.[17] It was displayed in USL's New York City headquarters until after the United States was taken out of service in 1969. Ten years later, the trophy was transferred to the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy's museum as a relic.[16]

In 1986, Richard Branson was successful in setting a new eastbound transatlantic speed record in the powerboat Challenger II. He was not awarded the Hales trophy because his boat was not a commercial vessel. In 1990, the 242-foot (74 m) catamaran passenger/car ferry Hoverspeed Great Britain was scheduled to take a delivery voyage from her Australian builders to begin cross channel operations. Her owners confirmed with the Hales trophy trustees in the UK that their vessel would be eligible for the trophy if they beat the United States record, even though the ship would not actually carry passengers on the trip. The trustees ruled that the ship still met the criteria. After Hoverspeed Great Britain's successful voyage, the Maritime Museum considered challenging the decision on the grounds that Hales donated the award for ships providing Atlantic passenger service,[6] but decided not to because of the cost of legal fees. The trophy case at the academy remained empty for the next eight years until Carnival Cruise Lines loaned the museum a replica of the trophy.[16] In 1992, the Italian powerboat Destriero made a voyage at 53.09 knots (98.32 km/h), breaking Challenger II's record. The current holder of the Hales Trophy is the catamaran Cat-Link V (now Fjord Cat) for a 1998 delivery voyage (without passengers) at 41.3 knots (76.5 km/h).[16] However, the United States is still considered the holder of the Blue Riband.


10 years ago, summer of 2002, I was on the sister-ship of FjordCat, namely the Max Mols (Mad Max) on a voyage betveen Stockholm and Riga. Most of the passengers enjoyed the inside facilities, but I had to get outside to feel what 40+ knots felt like. -it was a blast!

Scooter01



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The most underrated and forgotten transatlantic liner in history.

It didn't have a very long career, it wasn't as luxurious as the Queens, it didn't get a second life as a cruise vessel like SS France, so no wonder.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The QM2 is a beautiful ship and fast by todays standard but it's a slow poke compared to it's predecessors !

Big Mary is quite so slower than QE2 even, yet a beautiful ship, a great construction.

This is how the beautiful Queen Mary 2 ocean liner was born
in 6 different parts with pictures
http://www.worldshipny.com/qm2pt1.shtml

Queen Mary 2 construction part 1/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ6624OEwP0

Queen Mary 2 construction part 2/2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd2c2XGea3Y&feature=relmfu

Many people don't know that the Mademoiselle was born in France from Chantiers de l'Atlantique in Saint Nazaire. She had famous predecessors such as Normandie and France who were built from that fabled shipyard.

     



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7255 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):

Many people don't know that the Mademoiselle was born in France from Chantiers de l'Atlantique in Saint Nazaire. She had famous predecessors such as Normandie and France who were built from that fabled shipyard.

Praise be to the largesse of the French taxpayer for subsidising her more than anyone else wanted to. She might have been built in France but she's first and foremost a British ship, I doubt the location of the shipyard that built her is of any concern to most of her passengers. I'm pretty sure of it that Harland and Wolff is probably the most famous shipyard, not that they have built anything in a long while.

[Edited 2012-11-12 11:00:18]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19516 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The QM2 is a beautiful ship and fast by todays standard but it's a slow poke compared to it's predecessors !

She also burns something like half the fuel per unit distance of the older ships. The original QM burned one gallon of diesel fuel oil for every 13 feet she moved.

Power requirements rise very quickly as speed increases.

In the 1950's an ocean liner was still a major way of crossing an ocean, so speed was important. Today, an airplane can make the trip ten times faster than even SS United States, so there is no reason to install a bunch of unnecessary power aboard a cruise ship or ocean liner. Nobody on the ship is in any particular hurry.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4441 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 22):

She also burns something like half the fuel per unit distance of the older ships. The original QM burned one gallon of diesel fuel oil for every 13 feet she moved.

Power requirements rise very quickly as speed increases.

In the 1950's an ocean liner was still a major way of crossing an ocean, so speed was important. Today, an airplane can make the trip ten times faster than even SS United States, so there is no reason to install a bunch of unnecessary power aboard a cruise ship or ocean liner. Nobody on the ship is in any particular hurry.

I realize all that. I'm not discussing being practical here, just comparing the era where speed and the blue Riband was a huge deal, the ships and voyages themselves were big news.


And QM2 is a great ship, it's just interesting, that like many airliners cruising speed has decreased to save fuel.



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User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9168 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

What will happen to Saga Ruby? Will it be scrapped like Saga Rose?

25 KiwiRob : What would be the point in keeping her?
26 Post contains links DocLightning : To some degree. It's true that the CV990 was faster than any airliner since (leaving Concorde aside), but otherwise, airliner speed has stayed pretty
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