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US Election - Unhappy Voters Ask To Secede From US  
User currently offlineAA7295 From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 622 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20301477

I mean, I think the only thing that needs to be said is that education funding needs to be increased in these states.

Your thoughts?

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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3677 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter):
I mean, I think the only thing that needs to be said is that education funding needs to be increased in these states.

Indeed....

Quote:
The text complains of "blatant abuses" of Americans' rights. It cites the Transportation Security Administration, whose staff have been accused of intrusive airport screening of flyers.

Are these people forgetting what (or who) started the erosion of their rights in the first place? Living in a bubble doesn't even begin to describe it!


User currently offlinetz757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2876 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Well, I'm not defending this at all, but of all the petitions, the most popular one, Texas, has been a mildly legitimate issue ever since they became a state. I know of many who seek the route of reverting Texas back to an independent Republic.

That said, all of this is rubbish and won't get very far.



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User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 3008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting AA7295 (Thread starter):
Your thoughts?

Well......

Look what happened last time.....

The last time states officially seceded, following the election of Abraham Lincoln, the US Civil War followed.

I would have thought, that the US is fighting enough wars at the moment.
  



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Yawn, the same thing happened in 2004 and 2008. Just a tiny percentage of people actually signed these petitions.

User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

According to a local TV station here in Dallas, 30,000+ people have signed such a petition.

Of course - 3,294,440 people in Texas voted FOR President Obama and VP Biden.

So 100 to 1 - people in Texas prefer Obama as President over succession.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Yeah, really, 100,000 / 315,000,000 = about 0.03%.

Slow news day I'm guessing. Get the number up to about 20% then I might be scared. There exist fringe people in Europe as well...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20334 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 2):
Well, I'm not defending this at all, but of all the petitions, the most popular one, Texas, has been a mildly legitimate issue ever since they became a state. I know of many who seek the route of reverting Texas back to an independent Republic.

I have the solution: Let them secede. Then invade them for their oil. (You wanted to be your own country? OK, then!) Shoot only combatants.   Annex the "country" back into a state. And that will end all the whining about how Texas was never "legally" blah blah blah.

These separatist movements crack me up. Quebec, Texas, Cataluña... do you think that after seceding from a country that the country will keep letting you have all the benefits of being a state/province/autonomous community? No. You lose all your trade rights, your ability to travel across the border, your highways, your rail links, etc.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting tz757300 (Reply 2):
Texas, has been a mildly legitimate issue ever since they became a state. I know of many who seek the route of reverting Texas back to an independent Republic.

That fiction still exists.

A lot of Texans and most of the thousands of illegals who came to Texas and fought in the Texas Revolution, sought to have Texas admitted to the United States. They specifically opposed Texas becoming an independent nation

In 1845 Texas voted overwhelmingly to join the union. They had a right to create four additional states from Texas territory, but chose not to do so. The voters of Texas in 1845 explicitly voted to forfeit any right to leave the union and re-form a Republic.

Under President Buchanan, Texas joined several other states and 'seceding' from the nation before Lincoln became President.

Part of the state's 'readmission' and permission to elect its own government and representatives in Congress was giving up any 'rights' to become four additional states or secede at any point in the future.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8466 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

The easiest thing to do is to list all of the government workers and government installations that would be shut down.

Start with military bases.

Then list all the government funding that would be cut, like research funding.

Doesn't take long to make the losses clear to the yo-yos.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 9):
Then list all the government funding that would be cut, like research funding.

And, let's not forget the most recipeants for things like food stamps and unemployment and such, per capita, are in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas.... Those "git big gub'mint outta my life!!" states. The ones who want to leave the Union.



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User currently offlinejohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2601 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

As long as we can build a Big Wall around the border, i'm fine with it.

User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13193 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

The real intention of these secession petitions is to protest the Federal Government and support State Rights as to a wide variety of Federal regulations including as to social welfare, environmental, businesses and so on.

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

"More than 100,000 Americans have petitioned the White House "

Remind me of what the population of the US is - 311,591,917 in July 2011. (Source: U.S. Census Bureau) So approximately 0.03% of the population or about 0.04% of the voter aged population of ± 235,940,406.

Even from Texas, with a population of 25,674,681 in July 2011, was the only petition to reach the threshold of 25,000 signatures at which the White House normally responds.

But aren't these people jumping the gun? Leaving aside US Constitutional provisions and looking at it purely from a State perspective, wouldn't any request to secede have to come about as a result of a majority vote cast in the state legislature? Shouldn't the petitioners first determine that a majority in their State actually want the state to secede rather than making a direct appeal to the White House?

Given the small number of signatories to each petition I am doubtful that they could persuade their fellow citizens. Even in Texas less than one tenth of 1% were sufficiently moved to put pen to paper.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 12):
The real intention of these secession petitions is to protest the Federal Government and support State Rights as to a wide variety of Federal regulations including as to social welfare, environmental, businesses and so on.

It's odd how these secession petitions only come up in the days following a presidential election, though.



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4785 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 13):
Remind me of what the population of the US is - 311,591,917 in July 2011. (Source: U.S. Census Bureau) So approximately 0.03% of the population or about 0.04% of the voter aged population of ± 235,940,406.

Approximately 1.1% of the US population has schizophrenia according to the NIH., So these secession discussions are just kind of funny at this point.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 14):
It's odd how these secession petitions only come up in the days following a presidential election, though.

We have two full-time secession groups in Texas. It comes up all the time.

We even had folks saying Romney was too liberal and Texas should secede if he was elected.

Texas is home to the world's greatest fruitcakes - the real ones - and the political ones are also world class.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2835 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2734 times:
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I'm sad to admit my state, North Dakota, is on the list   . Although apparently there was some story months ago that said we weren't properly admitted. Probably more garbage from these succession groups. All these people need to just find a nice island somewhere and start a colony. Two weeks ago they march around saying we are the best country in the world and now want to leave the union. What a joke. They are just letting some people on one side of the aisle say how they get no cooperation. They need to get their act together, stop making republicans look like loons, and work to fix the problems, not create them.
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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11793 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 17):
Two weeks ago they march around saying we are the best country in the world and now want to leave the union. What a joke.

Exactly. Much as I hate Patriot Act and Bush II, I would rather stay and vote the bums out and get the country I would like to see rather than give up. This is my home. I think Canada and Finland are great, but U.S.A. is my home.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7944 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

If this stuff wasn't from those ultra religious rednecks, I'd be more apt to agree with them.


here's the thing: our nation is severely divided and it's not gonna get any better. I'm actually surprised this election wasn't violent.



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User currently onlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1367 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
here's the thing: our nation is severely divided and it's not gonna get any better.

It's good that the nation has largely accepted this as a fact to consider but it seems no one has yet found the next logical step: how and why? Everything that happens, happens for a reason. I'm not yet ready to assign that much blame, but I think our leaders, both of politics and opinion, have started leaning too hard on the easy ways, the cheap tricks and spiteful loopholes to either get their way, or just prevent the people they disagree with from getting theirs. We revere the Constitution, as well we should, but refuse to consider any further refinement on the system it created; as such, it's too easy to turn ideas written two hundred years ago to some unintended and unrelated advantage. Structures of government should last, but they shouldn't be Procrustean.


User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

these groups are nothing new and exist in many states and have for many years. Groups in Northern California wanting to split from Southern CA and vice versa, Hawaii having its own groups, nothing new, and just really brought to the forefront due to the recent election results.

Does not mean that XX amount of states want to secede from the Union. Nothing new to see here folks!


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5732 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
Yeah, really, 100,000 / 315,000,000 = about 0.03%.

I know, I mean could find 500,000 people that would sign a petition to end women's suffrage.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
here's the thing: our nation is severely divided and it's not gonna get any better.

We've been worse; far worse, and never saw anything come of it.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
I'm actually surprised this election wasn't violent.

I would have been surprised if it had been. Seriously, there's a lot of blustering going on, but it's all talk and no substance.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
here's the thing: our nation is severely divided and it's not gonna get any better. I'm actually surprised this election wasn't violent.

I disagree that we are a nation severely divided.

We are a nation where the media airways are saturated with extremist views, and any media coverage which is actually fair and balanced or seeks to unite people is condemned as 'leftist mainstream media'.

Complaints about 'mainstream media' are simply folks not wanting to realize their views are not the views of the majority of Americans.

But we have a lot of people, which is still a very small minority, that see people of different colors, poor people, i.e anyone 'different' getting decent jobs as a 'threat' and want to make sure it does not happen.

I strongly believe the reason Romney lost this election was his taxes. Working people in this nation simply cannot identify/ agree with a man who pays only 14% in taxes while they pay 22-26%, and he says he needs lower tax rates while they need to pay more.

In my opinion, most people in this nation want the same thing - fair government, fair taxes, a safety net to protect the unfortunates, a fair opportunity for jobs and to get ahead. They are fed up with the media and the politicians who pander to the media.

There is massive apathy about the entire political process. That is it too messed up to be fixed. That anyone on TV talking about fixing things is lying and simply out to find a way to get more for themselves and deprive others. That the system is broken and the best that can be hoped for is that the people in Washington won't mess up things too badly.

Such apathy, dissatisfaction and lack of passion by the vast majority of the people/ voters in the US isn't really a bad thing. If people were actually passionate about issues, and focused on getting their issues resolved through government - the US would have a fractured multi-party system with changes of government power several times a year. That would create an even greater lack of positive action out of DC than we already have.

For a republic to work on the level of the size of nation we have, most of the people must be willing to accept compromise. To accept that 40-60% of the time, they will not get the things they want passed by the government system. They just hope the really important one or two issues get resolved.

People who demand more are a small minority - and really don't want a republic or a democracy.


Re Violence.

August 9, 1974 was about the single day I was proudest of my nation during my life.

At the time I was stationed in the Philippines, and was participating in a conference with representatives from Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia and New Zealand.

They simply could not believe that the President of the United States could be forced out of office - and there was no violence. No riots in the street, no shootings, etc.

We've had violence in the streets in this country during my lifetime. We've had the National Guard firing on citizens protesting XXXXX. We've had mobs burning down anything they could in rage.

People in the US today are smarter than they were in the 60s.


User currently offlinehelvknight From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 27):

An excellent post. Glad someone gets it.

Welcome to my RU list.


25 NBGSkyGod : Finally someone gets it. The media is mostly to blame for the belief that there is a large divide in this country. They give credence to extremist gro
26 ER757 : Bingo! Let's put this in a.nut terms. You want to fly AA LIT/DFW/PHX? Well, better have your passport in order when you check in at LIT and be ready
27 L-188 : I still want to see Alaska have her independence, it is not because of the election. There a long history that predates O'bummers birth in Narobi Keny
28 2707200X : Alaska has it's fair share of nuts and legumes. Alaska over the US of A aye? I guess binged out conservatives don't have a monopoly on patriotism whe
29 dlramp4life : You betcha!
30 Post contains images iFlyLOTs : This made my night Weren't these the same "patriots" that thought the country was going to go to the crapper if Obama was re-elected? Well if they le
31 L-188 : It is going down the crapper, and obummer was re-elected Everybody forgets too, i am not registered as a republican, but AIP
32 Post contains images Superfly : Exactly. Proposed map after John Kerry lost to Dubya.
33 Post contains links DocLightning : http://undeniableme.wordpress.com/20.../19/so-youre-thinking-of-seceding/ You know that Mrs. Palin is from Idaho, yes? They don't talk that way in Ala
34 L-188 : Interesting list Doc but not a single item on it hasn't been overcome by every other country in the world.
35 DocLightning : Equally silly, ALTHOUGH it probably would have worked out better had the USC (United States of Canada) actually formed than, say, North Carolina or T
36 Superfly : Canada doesn't want to take on all the debt that those states have racked up. Plus Canada understands the importance of drilling for oil which wouldn
37 Quokkas : And wasn't the founder of the Alaska Independance Party born in Kansas? Secession under amicable terms is possible if you have sensible people. The C
38 DocLightning : There is no zealot like a convert...
39 cmf : The split of Czechoslovakia worked without much problems. But I'm sure the people suggesting secession have little idea what it means in practice.
40 KiwiRob : Really the roads and railways will still be there, kinda hard to rip them up, people will still be able to travel across the border, it wouldn't be a
41 rfields5421 : Both Texas secession movements firmly reject NAFTA. They would embargo shipment of parts, food and finished goods from Mexico to the US through Texas
42 L-188 : Doc, would thnk if done right that it would be peaceful, like the breakup of Chechcolvakia or the current process Scotland is working through. I would
43 NBGSkyGod : I think it could be done peacfully, however there would be a vast many problems, especially in places where the US government would have to interact
44 Post contains images D L X : Well yeah! I mean, what sickos want women to suffer?
45 rfields5421 : The United States would retain possession of all those assets. Among the first things to occur would be closing the military bases and movement of th
46 D L X : Of course, Texas could always BUY those things off the United States to secure their independence. Then they'd be Haiti. Condensed version: Haiti bou
47 Dreadnought : There is a little problem in that such retribution would run contrary to some of the founding concepts of both the US and Texas: From the Declaration
48 KiwiRob : Even google doesn't know where Chechcolvakia is. Probably an equal chance of Texas independence as Scottish independence.
49 Post contains images mt99 :
50 Newark727 : We've had this discussion. In 1861. It's hardly reasonable to have a "united states" when any state can just decide to leave when it feels expedient
51 Dreadnought : And the decision then was wrong - according to the rights of self-determination that we chose to defend in, say, Croatia. I'm not saying secession sh
52 NBGSkyGod : The difference is that these countries invited the U in or to stay. Where as these new "nations" just told the US that they don't want them any more.
53 Post contains images ER757 : That pretty much sums up the mentality of those making these silly proposals
54 Maverick623 : It's great that we can discuss theoretical situations, but here's the reality of the situation: Less than 1% of the population of any state has signed
55 Newark727 : Self determination is the right to have the government of your choosing. Croatia as such conforms with that. The secession of the South in 1861 does
56 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : It is fun to talk about, especially in a lag in news, but these groups have been around forever. Maybe they'll "spike" up a bit when we elect a "soci
57 Newark727 : Exactly. If there were actually legitimate issues to divide the union over we would see this talk outside of election aftermath periods. As it happen
58 rfields5421 : Just like in 1861, a small portion of the people in the state wanted to leave the Union. A great number wanted to stay. Today the percentage wanting
59 Ken777 : That may be the case, but if, say, Texas was to succeed then there are some important issues to be addressed. First corporations need to decide if th
60 Post contains links and images flood : Yeah, but it's rather entertaining We petition the Obama administration to: Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of T
61 Dreadnought : What's the difference? In 1990, Yugoslavia had an election, Croatia decided it didn't like the result and gave their notice. Yugoslav Federal forces
62 Newark727 : The difference is that until the South seceded, everything had been playing by the rules which they had created and assented to just fine legally. Wh
63 Dreadnought : I think you are searching. It comes down to this - If a substantial majority of a population (call it 2/3rds or 3/4ths) want to secede, there is no m
64 Post contains images luckyone : Texas secedes and just like that a good chunk of the United States' illegal immigration problem ceases to exist!!!! American, Southwest and United wou
65 rfields5421 : Gov Perry and several politicans have been on the news this week - explicitly stating that Texas is no longer a sending state, but has been a receivi
66 Post contains links rfields5421 : Well the forum chopped up my reply Texas. ADMITTED INTO THE UNION, 1845. POPULATION IN 1860, 415,999 WHITES. POPULATION IN 1860, 184,966 SLAVES. NUMBE
67 rfields5421 : CBS 11 in Fort Worth 10pm local news aired a story of the cost of secession. One item they cited is that according to the Texas government - Texas rec
68 blueflyer : Who do I petition to build a bridge from Austin to the nearest border outside the Republic Of Texas? I vote we let Alabama secede and build a wall ar
69 zippyjet : As they say Go there's nothing stopping you! Best of luck to you. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. If this happened, 1. I'd make our co
70 KiwiRob : So by your reasoning the State of Hawaii would be able to suceed because it was forcefully intergrated into the USA, against the wishes of it's nativ
71 Superfly : Why can't we do that now with our existing border with Mexico? So are you implying that we shouldn't help those hurt by natural disasters in Haiti an
72 KiwiRob : The US needs those people to mow your lawns, clean your house and vaccum your pool, if you shot them all who would do all the jobs that are now benei
73 seb146 : Right. But, looking at any random state, not just Texas, one has to consider there will be no more federal money for TSA, airports, bridges, roads, f
74 Dreadnought : And if nobody shows up to do it $5 per hour, you will have to offer $10, $15, $20, $30 per hour, if you really want them done. The market will find a
75 Ken777 : Not a chance that the US would invade "Texas". Unfortunately our military has been worn out by wars stared by a couple of Texans in the White house.
76 Post contains images Superfly : Prison laborers should be doing those jobs. ...and the only people hiring laborers to clean their house and pools are wealthy elitist. I guarantee yo
77 seb146 : Unfortunatly, I do. They think they are the whole glue that holds the Republic together. They are the only ones who are right and who's ideas are the
78 KiwiRob : You want to have a criminal working around your house?
79 Superfly : Sure. We've already got one in the White House.... Many of the illegals doing yard work are already criminals. If they're in the country illegally, t
80 Post contains images scbriml : Only for another four years. Then another one will get in!
81 TheCommodore : Just out of interest Superfly....... Can/are there any criminal charges laid against the people who engage these workers to do "yard work" ? Seem to
82 Post contains images Superfly : Sad but true. We had a criminal for 8 years prior to the existing one. Regardless, your Prime Minister will do what ever our President tells him/her
83 Post contains images DocLightning : Self-interest, actually. Texas has oil. We've invaded other countries for that.
84 Post contains images scbriml : Sadly, it's part of the job description. Has been ever since the US saved us from all speaking German.
85 zippyjet : Not at all. We are the USA and usually we rise to the occasion or in this case disaster but, say if there was one bad ass hurricane; "2017-Hurricane
86 GDB : To follow the sarcasm pin to the bubble of nonsense, with the fact pin. On trade disputes between the EU and US, guess what side the UK takes? Harold
87 Maverick623 : People forget that the driving factor in Japan attacking Pearl Harbor in 1941 was oil.
88 Superfly : All British Prime Ministers do that - just as Tony Blair congratulated George W Bush for his win in 2004. Nothing new here. Our Presidents and your P
89 rfields5421 : There is a difference between helping recovery from a natural disaster, and spending tens of billions of dollars over several years rebuilding state
90 Post contains links GDB : Yes, but after the Romney visit and Cameron's clear exasperation with Mitt, it has an additional context. Cameron is not very good at hiding anger or
91 Newark727 : This isn't completely true. Early on, the U.K. felt they needed the cotton. But public opinion was anti-slavery and turned pretty strongly against th
92 varigb707 : Go, please. Be my guest and leave the country already. These people are like children throwing tantrums.[Edited 2012-11-17 07:42:18]
93 DeltaMD90 : Also note that although slavery was a huge part of the Civil War, it was not the only reason. As noted, the British and other countries had some stak
94 Post contains images Superfly : Whatever. Had Romney won, Cameron would have congratulated him anyway and buried the hatchet. Cameron is smart enough to not let a minor gaffe by Rom
95 Post contains links Newark727 : It wasn't the only reason that there were contentions between South and North, but saying that there were other reasons for the Civil War proper is s
96 Newark727 : To clarify, it's not so much that there weren't any other disputes about state versus federal power up to that point. Stuff like nullification, the al
97 KiwiRob : Because who the US elects can effect everyone on the planet, case in point Bush II, the idiot, so people outside the US do have a genuine interest.
98 Superfly : Tough. You're gonna have to accept who ever we elect - like it or not. Also, the hatred and jealousy of the US dates long before Dubya.
99 petertenthije : Fair enough, but that does go both ways. When a country elects someone the USA does not like, the USA should interfer either. But that is of course n
100 Post contains images Superfly : Agreed! Couldn't tell you. Politicians seem to haven their own agendas regardless of what the people want. That is why I don't get excited about any
101 Quokkas : An interest in who the US elects, or even a preference for one candidate over another, is not indicative of hatred. A Government will work with whoev
102 Post contains links GDB : Yes, Cameron would have been polite, diplomatic of course. But there would have been a tension, Mitt's gaffs also brought to notice some passages in
103 Post contains images Superfly : True but you'd be amazed at how many people get emotional and want to start an argument with you if you're an American. I remember back in 2006 when
104 dallasnewark : This is just plain nonsense. I am a conservative and a resident of Texas, but all of that secession talk just makes no sense. It will never happen, ju
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