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F1 2012: United States Grand Prix  
User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2337 times:
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Austin F1 2012 Grand Prix

Circuit of the Americas, Austin, Texas

Circuit Length 5.516kms
56 laps
Circuit Turns 20
Circuit Direction anti-clockwise
Capacity 100,000
Established 2012
Designer Hermann Tilke

Fri 16 November 2012
Practice 1 09:00 - 10:30
Practice 2 13:00 - 14:30
Sat 17 November 2012
Practice 3 09:00 - 10:00
Qualifying 12:00
Sun 18 November 2012
Race 13:00


I'm sure a certain madame concorde will kee you all updated as things come in, if not I'll have a go.

Fred

P.S. I hope I kept the format right  

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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Lets hope the championship is still a thriller AFTER this race.

User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

My bet, is that the 1st turn is going to end with a massive wreck on the 1st lap.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineCharles79 From Puerto Rico, joined Mar 2007, 1330 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 2):
My bet, is that the 1st turn is going to end with a massive wreck on the 1st lap.

I hope you're wrong...I want to see Vettel beat Hamilton fair and square, not because Grosjean takes Hamilton out in the first lap  

I have to admit that I like the circuit layout, particularly the hill up the front straight (maybe the camera angle makes it look steeper than it actually is). Hopefully the circuit lends itself to produce some great on-track action...


User currently offline3DoorsDown From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Is Madame Concorde in Austin? Is that why she is not gracing us with her presence?  

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting Charles79 (Reply 3):
I have to admit that I like the circuit layout,

I quite like the circuit layout too. Hermann Tilke finally seems to be improving the art of circuit design  

But it's been mentioned that with the fast sweeping bends leading up to the DRS detection zone, it might be difficult for cars to keep within that 1 second mark for them to use the DRS on the back straight. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Glad to see Vettel on pole and Alonso starting back in 8th  



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Nothing is more boring in sport than to see the same man win all the time. That is especially the case, if the reason for it is not that he is the most talented guy, but because he´s got the best technics to help him. This season was was one of the most interesting in the last decade until the end of summer, but now I dont even care to watch a GP anymore. Its just technical overkill left of what was a real fight for 3/4 of the year.

User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting na (Reply 6):

Nothing is more boring in sport than to see the same man win all the time. That is especially the case, if the reason for it is not that he is the most talented guy, but because he´s got the best technics to help him.


        

0.6 seconds faster than his team mate. Meanwhile GREATEST DRIVER EVER Alonso got outqualified by Massa.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Interesting to see the Verizon signage on the McLarens!
Not sure of the Financial, political reasons for this but even more interesting to see the branding disconnect... all the team uniforms still displayed Vodafone!!


The body language between Webber and Vettel in the post quali driver area was pretty telling, as was his response to Hamilton's "you guys are so quick" ... nodding towards SV, MW said (IMO) curtly, "he is the quick one"



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 6):
That is especially the case, if the reason for it is not that he is the most talented guy, but because he´s got the best technics to help him.

Vettel is every bit as talented as anyone you'd care to name on the F1 grid. He may have the best car, but the best car doesn't guarantee championship success. Just ask Webber.

Vettel is on the verge of being F1's youngest triple world champion, and only the third driver in the entire history of the sport to win three titles in succession. He will go into the record books as one of F1's best.

Quoting na (Reply 6):
This season was was one of the most interesting in the last decade until the end of summer, but now I dont even care to watch a GP anymore.

Fine, don't. There's still only 10 points separating Vettel and Alonso for the title, and as much as I want Vettel to win it this weekend, the reality is that it's likely to go down to the last race of the season. It is Red Bull's resurgence towards the latter part of this season that has made the championship more interesting. Without that, Alonso would've waltzed through to take the title. But I guess Alonso winning isn't "boring", huh?  

I can't wait for the final two races of the season. I'll be cheering for Vettel all the way.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 7):
0.6 seconds faster than his team mate. Meanwhile GREATEST DRIVER EVER Alonso got outqualified by Massa.

So what? For once that happened. The same happened to Vettel also before. Doesnt mean anything at all but that Vettel is now 90% safe to become Champion again.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 9):
But I guess Alonso winning isn't "boring", huh?

In the way Vettel does now since twoandahalf years, well, it would be boring too. That said, I´m a Ferrari fan since the times of Niki Lauda, not so much of any driver. Drivers come and go, Ferrari remains the greatest name of all time in F1.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 9):
I can't wait for the final two races of the season. I'll be cheering for Vettel all the way.

An Aussi cheering for a German, a German cheering for a Spaniard. Good to see the blind nationalistic eye is out of fashion !

Dont get me wrong, I´m not really against Vettel, even if his adolescent whining each time his team isnt able to give him the best car this season disappointed me. Plus two titles in a row are really enough for anybody. I dislike any monotony, monopoly, any longtime domination of any person, or product.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 10):
In the way Vettel does now since twoandahalf years, well, it would be boring too. That said, I´m a Ferrari fan since the times of Niki Lauda, not so much of any driver. Drivers come and go, Ferrari remains the greatest name of all time in F1.

I'm a Williams fan first. I'll support the team through thick and thin, because drivers do come and go, but the team remains. That said, there have been certain drivers along the way that I've taken a liking to whose careers I have followed with interest. Vettel is one of them.

Quoting na (Reply 10):
An Aussi cheering for a German, a German cheering for a Spaniard. Good to see the blind nationalistic eye is out of fashion

And so it should be. There's no place for patriotism in an international sport, in my view.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1509 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 8):
Interesting to see the Verizon signage on the McLarens!
Not sure of the Financial, political reasons for this but even more interesting to see the branding disconnect... all the team uniforms still displayed Vodafone!!

There is no Vodafone in the US. However, they own a portion of Verizon Wireless, which is my bet as to why they went with that branding, to give the local crowd more of a connection with the brand they are used to seeing.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 12):
There is no Vodafone in the US. However, they own a portion of Verizon Wireless, which is my bet as to why they went with that branding, to give the local crowd more of a connection with the brand they are used to seeing.

   I think Verizon was doing some events with the team too.

As far as the race goes, I think in future years they need to change the date. Do it during the summer (could be awfully hot) or spring so it doesn't get buried under football. NASCAR's struggles in the late season are pretty well documented, which led to their introduction of "The Chase." Move the USGP outside of football season and I think they'll get a lot more American eyeballs.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
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So, Ferrari self-destruct Massa's drive to move Alonso to the clean side of the grid. While it might not be against any rules, it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.  
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20386671

Regardless, a great drive by Hamilton and what is it about Vettel? Whining on the radio as soon as he's overtaken.   

So we go to the last race with a good chance of a rain-affected race. Vettel still has the upper hand, but anything can happen as we've seen at Brazil a number of times in the past.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8792 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 8):

Interesting to see the Verizon signage on the McLarens!
Not sure of the Financial, political reasons for this but even more interesting to see the branding disconnect... all the team uniforms still displayed Vodafone!!

Vodaphone owns 45% of Verizon.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
Whining on the radio as soon as he's overtaken.

He wasn't whining about being overtaken, he was angry about Karthikeyan holding him up, which allowed Hamilton to get close enough to attack. Who knows when that transmission was made? Radio transmissions are broadcast on a time delay basis. For all we know it could've been made well before Hamilton made his move.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

I saw most of the race on TV live (with glimpses of the Jets NFL game) and to me, it was a good, entertaining race and successful by any standard. You had a battle among the top 10 positions, Lewis Hamilton won the first race at Austin (he also won the last USGP race held, at Indy). The track seemed to be well designed, challanging with it's own quirks, it allowed some passing, plenty of run-off areas for safety and a good view for the fans there and on TV. A lot better than the places in the sandboxes in a few place, much better than the makeshift and too big Indy raceway.

From what I heard on a TV report, it attracted ticket buyers from all over the USA and world. The stands were full and the spectators seemed happy to be there. Austin, TX is the capital of the State of Texas, home of the huge University of Texas, a major music entertainment center (the SXSW Festivel is based there) so a interesting mix of cowboy to sophicated, cowboy boots with business suits, history and big oil and a pretty nice city to hold a world class car race.


Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
As far as the race goes, I think in future years they need to change the date. Do it during the summer (could be awfully hot) or spring so it doesn't get buried under football. NASCAR's struggles in the late season are pretty well documented, which led to their introduction of "The Chase." Move the USGP outside of football season and I think they'll get a lot more American eyeballs.

The weather was pretty nice, it is a time with low risk of rain, and really the NASCAR fan is often not an F1 fan (with some exceptions like me). This was held on the same day, but a little earlier, as the final race of the the top tier NASCAR race where Brad Keslowski won his first Sprint Cup title so little conflict with each other. I wouldn't do this race in Austin in the Summer, maybe in the Spring if it ties in another race in the Americas the weeks before or after.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
The weather was pretty nice, it is a time with low risk of rain, and really the NASCAR fan is often not an F1 fan (with some exceptions like me).

It's not a matter of competition between F1 and NASCAR. It's the issue that during the fall, pretty much everything gets squashed by the football juggernaut.

NASCAR switched to the Chase For The Cup format several years ago to try and generate more interest in the late season races that go up against football games.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 7):
GREATEST DRIVER EVER Alonso

Mate, sorry but that tittle has long been taken. It still belongs to Ayrton Senna. The man who could smell where the best grip was and who carried the style, grace, and fearlessness of an F1 driver in full. Reviewing the clips of his races, it's hard to pick a moment that was not laden with emotion and thrill. He really was absolutely fantastic and in these days we should all remember him. It was a great race today and, although I am a massive Räikkönen fan, I am happy for Hamilton and especially for my beloved McLaren-Mercedes team. Congrats!

Speedbird741



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 16):
He wasn't whining about being overtaken, he was angry about Karthikeyan holding him up, which allowed Hamilton to get close enough to attack.

I see. Must have been the reference to "crazy overtake" that confused me. Same difference, he was whining about losing a place - where, exacty, was Karthikeyan supposed to disappear to in that section of the track? I'm afraid the reaction is the same whenever things don't go 100% Vettel's way.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 14):
So, Ferrari self-destruct Massa's drive to move Alonso to the clean side of the grid. While it might not be against any rules, it leaves a nasty taste in the mouth.

But a move thats really surprising from Ferrari or would shock anyone (except Massa fans maybe)

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
As far as the race goes, I think in future years they need to change the date. Do it during the summer (could be awfully hot) or spring so it doesn't get buried under football. NASCAR's struggles in the late season are pretty well documented, which led to their introduction of "The Chase." Move the USGP outside of football season and I think they'll get a lot more American eyeballs.

It was originally scheduled to be straight after the Canadian GP but the heat was why they moved it.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 20):
where, exacty, was Karthikeyan supposed to disappear to in that section of the track?

He could park his car off the track for all I care. It is the responsibility of backmarkers to get out of the race leader's way. Karthikeyan failed in that responsibility and it's not the first time he has done so. It makes me question whether he even belongs in Formula 1. Hamilton's pass on Vettel - legitimate though it is - was the direct result of Karthikeyan holding up Vettel. Vettel had every right to be furious.

I hear HRT F1 is being put up for sale. Whatever happens with the sale, I hope Karthikeyan doesn't get a drive next year.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
It was originally scheduled to be straight after the Canadian GP but the heat was why they moved it.

Yeah, and in future seasons the construction of the track would no longer be a constraint. 2014 should see the race in New Jersey run in the week adjacent to the Canadian GP.

I'd try and move the Austin race to the spring, maybe swapping places with Bahrain, although I could see them not wanting to be a week away from Abu Dhabi. Maybe stick India in the middle or something. Also, is there any particular reason why the summer races in Europe need to be so spread out? A week off after both the British GP and the race in Germany, followed by nearly a month off after Hungary and another bye week between Spa and Monza. If they could tighten that up a bit, they could probably slip the USGP in during the spring when it should get more coverage and viewership.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7138 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

What an amazing circuit, maybe the FIA should ask Kevin Schwantz to help out Tilke when he trys to design another bland and boring new circuit, rathewr like having an ex pro golferdesigning a championship course the FIAS should get ex champion drivers/riders to design new circuits.Tilke is basically responsible for almost all new tracks which are generally bland boring snooze fests.

25 stealthz : Just drop the sand pit races all together, they add nothing to the sport(Accepted they do line the pockets of those merely in it for the money) Apart
26 stealthz : What race were you watching? In the race I was watching as SV & LH came up behind Karthikeyan he almost immediately pulled to the outside of the
27 Post contains links and images flood : Hamilton's on-board video tells a different story: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlvueVJBcgM Hamilton and Alonso would have complained just the same
28 stealthz : I guess some will disagree, seems to me Karthekeyan moved to the outside as Vettel came up behind him Sounded to me that SV was bitching about Hamilt
29 francoflier : That was a great race, and another season to be decided on the last event! F1 is definitely back... Pretty much. All these drivers have ultra ambitiou
30 Post contains images CXB77L : I could ask you the same question. I didn't hear clearly what was actually said, and I haven't been able to find a transcript of that specific call,
31 Bill142 : No it doesn't. Furious he was out done by a superior driver on the day. Blaming someone else is what all racing drivers do when they can't admit defe
32 Post contains links stealthz : Well Autosport didn't say that but if you want to quote reports perhaps this one might mean something... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/
33 Post contains images flood : That was my initial impression as well, although the transmission was hard to understand. Unfortunate timing of the transmission, to say the least. P
34 flood : I have a hunch you'd be of a different opinion had it involved anyone other than Vettel.
35 Bill142 : Bzzzzzzt..... wrong.....
36 na : Based on what? I have followed his career, and, yes, he was one of the greatest. But THE greatest, I fail to see that. Imho there is no singular driv
37 Post contains images flood : It suggested nothing of the like. But your comment again suggests, or shows, rather, your heavy bias and dislike for Vettel. Nothing more, nothing le
38 Post contains images scbriml : In a safe location, yes. In the middle of a series of high speed bends isn't it and he did exactly what Charlie Whiting told them to do! All the driv
39 Post contains links and images CXB77L : Wrong. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104390 Yeah, it did. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104366 Christian Horner says: htt
40 flipdewaf : It was an excelent choice of tyres, pyrelli should simply promote exciting racing and if thet means people going all sideways trying to get the temps
41 flood : Indeed. So furious, he applauded Hamilton as he overtook him on their way back to the pits.
42 ncfc99 : I agree with stealthz, Vettel moved across the track to block, then started to come back at Hamilton as he went to make the pass, only one move is pe
43 scbriml : In my book Ferrari's was the worse of the two because it detrimentally affected three other drivers.
44 Bill142 : Well he got told off for swearing so I guess calling him a **** was off limits. Left him with little option but to shower him with praise.
45 stealthz : It didn't really, angry radio messages in the heat of the moment rarely count as "furious" Not sure I agree with that, more likely -- Have heard seve
46 Post contains images scbriml : I certainly don't disagree, but the other top teams (i.e. McLaren and Red Bull) accepted it for what it was - Ferrari trying to maximise Alonso's pos
47 Post contains links BMI727 : Here's one for the odd juxtaposition file next to Lewis Hamilton's cowboy hat: the first Ferrari F12 on the continent being auctioned off for charity
48 stealthz : I don't think they really did, considering how they have literally whored themselves to the FOM and Concorde agreement they are not in any real posit
49 na : Drivers without anything left to win this season. Certainly not Gentleman style what Ferrari did though every team plays tricks from time to time,. G
50 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : This is Austin TX GP winner Hammy as we don't often see him Guitar Man: Lewis Hamilton Plays the Guitar in New Vodafone Ad http://www.youtube.com/wat
51 moo : I beg to differ - constructors championship positions still matter to these teams, regardless of whether they win or not. Go see how Sauber, Williams
52 Post contains images scbriml : Right. Ask those drivers and teams if they considered they were "driving for nothing" and their only job was to get out of Alonso's way.
53 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Kamui is out. Guiterrez is in with Mexican money. Wrong choice if you ask me. Not a good idea to change both drivers again. No more Kamui with Sauber
54 sudden : I recall you saying Kamui belongs in a top team, and will be in one some day. How wrong you were, again! If sauber is able to see how inconsistent he
55 MadameConcorde : The future of F1 does not hold in your hands not in 2013 or after. Leaving Schumi aside as he will always be a 7 WDC title holder that no one will ev
56 stealthz : Do you really believe that was the reason? If driving ability was the decider I think Kamui would still have a drive but the ability to match the bot
57 sudden : Actually I do. Call it naive, but he did not deliver. As far as I know Hulkenberg did not buy his seat. Correct me if I'm wrong.
58 stealthz : I would go along with that and might even concede that Nico has some potential... more than Kobayashi.. debatable but I am pretty certain Esteban Gut
59 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Telmex got Guitierrez the seat. He would not have had it otherwise. If he fails the next season it will all be on Sauber. Also there is not much diff
60 sudden : Nico is far more consistent that Kamui. Although I don't see his move to Sauber justified. Especially now when FI will have additional 50 million for
61 Bill142 : And how many podiums did Force India score this year? Oh..
62 sudden : details, minor details. Still think he should have gone to Marussia, or HRT even as that's where the future in F1 is.
63 stealthz : Nico is far more consistent that Kamui. 20 races, one Fast lap each, one podium(KK) 63 points to 60(advantage Hulkenberg)... pretty big call claiming
64 sudden : I base it also on the bright future the wonder kid Kamui were to have in the sport. Simply overrated!
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