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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

About three years ago, I came to Detroit, where I was born and raised, to give a presentation on my field of expertise at a symposium for the public. During that trip in Autumn 2009, I was shocked and appalled to see the state of the city and its surrounds. It seemed as if there was an air of death and decay everywhere I looked.

At age 19, when I left, I knew that Detroit was a decrepit and dying metro area, but I had no idea how bad it would get. In 2008, when the bottom fell out of the local economy and the auto industry, the city was devastated. I had come back to visit in the aftermath of that catastrophic event to a husk of a city. People wore dark clothes. Businesses were boarded up. Restaurants and bars were empty. It was so sad to see this place that had hit rock bottom. Having said that, once you've hit rock bottom, there's only one direction to go.

I came back this time because my mom's home sold after five years on the market and it was time to empty it out. I have known from the initial planning of this trip that it may well be my last time here. I leave tomorrow morning.

The entire city seems different than three years ago. People are dressed well. Bars and restaurants are full of young people who seem to have money to spend. Heads are held high. New stores are opening in vacant stalls in strip malls. There are "Help Wanted" signs up. Houses appear maintained and the streets (at least in the suburbs) are clean. The streets are full of shiny new cars made by American manufacturers. There is even some construction.

Living where I live in SF, we barely felt the recession and so the recovery has similarly been hard to detect. But when I compare the Detroit Metro Area in 2009 vs. the Detroit Metro Area in 2012, the recovery is plain to see. Detroit is investing in technology. She is diversifying her economy, rather than putting all her eggs in one basket. Enormous houses in nice neighborhoods can be had for next to nothing and young professionals are snapping them up.

What do you think, locals? Are things looking up? What changes do you see coming? I see some slow integration of mass transit, helping to improve density and reduce small (SE Michigan rapid rail. Possible Detroit-Chicago HSR proposal.). I see various high-tech and service industries being attracted to the area by low property prices and costs of living. I'm not sure that anyone living today will see Detroit reach the heights it did in the 1950's and 1960's, but from where I'm standing, Detroit is rising.

And that makes me glad.  

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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

The brilliance of market corrections.

When prices for houses are extraordinarily low, labour costs are low and businesses move in, I can imagine a great deal of people who can telecommute would be attracted to Detroit. Econ101; after a shock the economy will return back to equilibrium. The cheap housing looks like it'll be around for a while, just having a look at trulia, it's phenomenal what you can get in Detroit for tiny sums, enormous mansions a few miles from the city for the price of a small apartment in most other big cities in the world.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39920 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

I hope you're correct about Detroit but I also hope my favorite hole-in-the-wall joints remain as well.
Detroit has lots of Greenspace, affordable housing, government funding for public schools, heavily unionized and those big evil companies are no longer spewing out carbon like they were 50 years ago.
Sounds like a utopia right?

I still like Detroit and I had a great time there will Falstaff a few years ago.
Here is my trip report about the place.


Detroit Rock City (SFO-PHL-DTW)
www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/148353/


I like L.J.'s Lounge.  
...
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Detroit2009054.jpg


Here is a nice fixer-upper in Brush Park.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/Detroit51.jpg



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

You could probably get a great "deal" on a mansion out in the jungle too, if any become vacant there; the problem is, not that many people want to live in a jungle !


On the other hand, if they ever build that crazy new suspension bridge across the Detroit River, I'll definitely have to drive up and take some pictures of it.


Michigan has a lot more problems than just Detroit; Flint looks like Somalia. ( I'm sure glad I didn't have to work in Pontiac very long !)

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3235 times:
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I hope the city does rebound. When it all fell apart in 2008 it was a sad time. But hopefully with GM and Ford rebounding they can get people employed again and the city booming. Though from my understanding they have to start cleaning up the streets a bit. Though if people have jobs I'm sure that would help enormously.
Blue



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39920 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
When it all fell apart in 2008

What on earth are you talking about?
The city started falling apart after the 1967 riots.
Some areas were rotting even before then. The city's peak population was in 1950. That's 62 years ago.

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
Michigan has a lot more problems than just Detroit; Flint looks like Somalia. ( I'm sure glad I didn't have to work in Pontiac very long !)

Dearborn has it's serious issues too. The place looks like Bagdad. Then there is Inkster which is also another craphole.

[Edited 2012-11-18 03:13:59]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting Geezer (Reply 3):
Michigan has a lot more problems than just Detroit; Flint looks like Somalia. ( I'm sure glad I didn't have to work in Pontiac very long !)

It's true, and I'm not sure if Flint will ever recover from being a ghost town in our lifetimes. Whatever the new Detroit is going to be, it's not going to be a massive industrial center again because the accidents of history that made it that the first time aren't set up to play out the same way again.


User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Thread starter):
And that makes me glad.  

Me, too, my brother and his family lived in Ann Arbor for awhile, great little town been there a couple of times and loved it, Detroit I found a very lovely and sad place at the same time. There were tons of abandoned public buildings that still had a lot of grace and majesty and hopefully could be filled with life someday soon.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Doc, there are many positive changes happening in the area. I think the Sate and local governments have finally realized that diversification is the key to success. Home values in the area continue to climb and in my area of Northville-Novi there are virtually no houses to be had. The same can be said for the North Woodward ave corridor. The greatest changes though are seen in Downtown Detroit. New projects are being announced on a weekly basis. Dan Gilbert's vision of what Detroit can be are starting to take hold. Apartment occupancy rates are near 100%. The recently rehabbed Broderick tower opened last week to 100% occupancy. The Madison, next to the Broderick, is set to reopen in 2013 and is already near capacity. Chrysler has moved some employees to the Dime building which was renamed "Chrysler Place", in their honor. Companies continue to more downtown which is starting to fill the commercial space. The largest Buffalo wild wings in the country opens next month in the Greektown area. The Grand Prix is back on Belle Isle. The Detroit Historical museum reopened last night after a year long remodel. Yes, there are many encouraging signs of progress happening in the area,however there is a long way to go. Downtown Detroit is pretty safe, but the neighborhoods of Detroit are a whole other story. Being in my late 50's and knowing what Detroit and the area once was, I hope to see this area return to its former glory before I die. I'm posting a few links that show some of the positive things going on and some of the not so good that needs to change. Sorry to hear you may never return so a couple of the links will help you keep informed if you so desire.


The Broderick Click the veiws section and then North South East or West
http://www.brodericktower.com/

Some of the good and bad
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Detroi...com/109210839112636?ref=ts&fref=ts

Alot of the good and bad
http://www.detroityes.com/mb/atdasd_headlines.php

Sorry Fly but your fixer-upper in Brush Park was torn down last week but this one made it
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Some history on the buildings of Detroit
http://www.historicdetroit.org/buildings/


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39920 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 7):
my brother and his family lived in Ann Arbor for awhile, great little town been there a couple of times


I visited there. Nice town but is only a college town.

Quoting columba (Reply 7):
loved it, Detroit I found a very lovely and sad place at the same time.


My thoughts exactly.

Quoting columba (Reply 7):
There were tons of abandoned public buildings that still had a lot of grace and majesty and hopefully could be filled with life someday soon.



I hope the railway building stays put and is refurbished. That is a gorgeous building.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 8):
Sorry Fly but your fixer-upper in Brush Park was torn down last week but this one made it


Wow, sorry to hear about that. Those homes are over 100 years old.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 8):
Being in my late 50's and knowing what Detroit and the area once was,


Would like to hear some of your stories.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 8):
Northville-Novi


How is the Wixom area now?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinedtw9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
How is the Wixom area now?



You would be hard pressed to find a decent house from Novi-Northville all the way out to Brighton. The housing stock is pretty thin right now in these areas,the foreclosure stock is gone.Ford Wixom plant started coming down a month ago. North Woodward real estate from Royal Oak to Bloomfield Hills is also on fire. And who would have ever thought, but to get something in Downtown Detroit means going on a waiting list. Hundreds of Engineering jobs are just begging to be filled. Chrysler just announced 1250 new assembly jobs spread over three plants starting immediately. Then there's companies like this helping to revitalize Detroit http://semichiganstartup.com/companies/detroitventurepartners.aspx Next up for Dan Gilbert,Roger Penske and a few others is this http://www.m-1rail.com/about/. As I said before, theres a lot of great things starting to happen, but we still have a long way to go


User currently offlinePu From Sweden, joined Dec 2011, 727 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I gave a presentation at GM in 2008 and stayed at the tall Marriott in their complex. The drive from the airport was an eye-opener, but when me and my boss asked the hotel staff for a place we could walk to for drinks and dinner, they said "no way" and assigned us a junior bellboy to escort us in his car, and I think we ended up over by the casino (?)


Every country has its problems, and bigger countries have bigger problems. I find it hard to believe that the majority of Americans would choose to fix other countries (with aid or war) if the majority of Americans could see Detroit first hand.

Also, much like a self-deceptive person is never effective, I don't think America can be effective overseas while it is dishonest with itself (or deliberately ignorant) about the state of affairs on the home front: it just doesn't work. Places that have been VERY down but later recover can be interesting, so good luck to Detroit!




Pu


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

I went back to the house for the last time this morning. The "SOLD" sign is now up. I stood in my room and soaked in the view over the lake where the geese and swans chase each-other. I looked into my bathroom mirror where I watched myself grow from age 3 to 19 and I saw a man looking back at me. I'm proud of him and who he became.

I paced every empty room in that house and took the memories, but not photos. The nostalgia came, but perhaps not as strongly as I expected. Perhaps it's because, even as a kid, I never quite felt at home in Detroit. I then walked out the front door (I usually would have used the side) and closed it behind me. My last tie to Southeastern Michigan was cut.

On Friday, we got confirmation from the agents and lenders: we are officially home-owners on a new house in Oakland. We move in six days (he says calmly). My family, my friends, and my career are all in the Bay Area. My present and future are here. This is my home now. I've never felt more at home in any other place.

About two hours later, N3751B, a DL 738 climbed off DTW's 22R and turned right. As the aircraft climbed into the west, I found myself moving in my own direction: forward.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 12):
On Friday, we got confirmation from the agents and lenders: we are officially home-owners on a new house in Oakland.

You left Detroit for Oakland!? You better stop upgrading before you end up with a nice McMansion in Mogadishu.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
You left Detroit for Oakland!? You better stop upgrading before you end up with a nice McMansion in Mogadishu.

Been to Oakland lately?


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 14):
Been to Oakland lately?

Nope. There are more convenient places to get shot at.   



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Nope. There are more convenient places to get shot at.

It's a good place to invest. It, like Detroit, is rising.

Unlike Detroit, Oakland has a very positive influence very close-by.


User currently offlineStuckInCA From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1987 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
It's a good place to invest. It, like Detroit, is rising.

Unlike Detroit, Oakland has a very positive influence very close-by.

While parts of Oakland are loathsome, other parts are fantastic.

I enjoyed your reflections on your childhood home. Congratulations on the new house and the positive outook!

My parents still live in my childhood home in a town which has changed for the worse since I left. I find it hard to go back.


User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1620 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

I live in Ann Arbor but over the last year or so I have been heading into Detroit a lot more than in the past. Back in September I drove around through the burned out and abandoned neighborhoods, around Belle Isle, hit downtown, sat in front of the train station and found myself at the corner of Michigan and Trumbull but it wasn't like the last time I was there, only the flagpole and infield remain. I took a lot of pictures. A lot of what I saw was humbling to me, it is amazing to see what has become of what was such a majestic city. There is a buzz though, something is different about it. There is a mysterious draw to it for me and I will continue to go down there to find things to do. Of course the waffle fries with Hoffman's cheddar and smoked chicken wings at Slows BBQ might be part of my urge to go down there...

I fly all over the continent and see a lot of cities in the process but it's always nice coming home to the Motor City. Detroit has a long way to go but I think it's at least bottomed out and is slowly heading in the right direction.



Too lazy to work, too scared to steal!
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39920 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 10):
Ford Wixom plant started coming down a month ago.

Oh no! Why?
Most of my favorite cars were made there. I thought Ford was going to use that facility as their new 'Green-tec' research facility.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 10):
Bloomfield Hills is also on fire.

I like that area.

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 10):
Hundreds of Engineering jobs are just begging to be filled. Chrysler just announced 1250 new assembly jobs spread over three plants starting immediately.

That's great news!

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
You left Detroit for Oakland!? You better stop upgrading before you end up with a nice McMansion in Mogadishu.

  

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
Nope. There are more convenient places to get shot at.

     

DocLightning is hard! Don't mess with him because he is from Detroit.   
Parts of Oakland is coming up.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I thought Ford was going to use that facility as their new 'Green-tec' research facility.

They might just mean letting weeds grow over everything.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Parts of Oakland is coming up.

The East Bay is home to Tony LaRussa along with Mr. Bubb Rubb and one of the worst automotive fads ever. Also the Raiders and Raiders' fans. So I think it's best to take MC Hammer's advice and not touch that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dRWgVo0FHE



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20013 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
The East Bay is home to Tony LaRussa along with Mr. Bubb Rubb and one of the worst automotive fads ever. Also the Raiders and Raiders' fans. So I think it's best to take MC Hammer's advice and not touch that.

"Gentrification."


User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2771 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3233 times:

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 10):
North Woodward real estate from Royal Oak to Bloomfield Hills is also on fire

I was grew up in Royal Oak and still own a home there. The best thing to happen to Royal Oak (other than me living there of course    ) was when I-696 between I-75 and Telegraph was finally completed. Royal Oak took off after that and the property values skyrocketed. There are now lofts in the downtown area that go for $250K. Not bad for a city that, at one time was the "Mayberry" of SE Michigan.

I am proud to say I patrolled the streets of Detroit for many years of my LE career prior to moving to Southern CA (just got tired of the shitty MI weather, aside from Fall of course). Coleman Young was good and bad for the city but what Kwame did is unforgivable (not to mention criminal). And now the PD is having a hard time finding a Chief and command officers who can keep their johnson's in their drawers. Thanks to them, the taxpayers will, once again have to get out their checkbooks once all the sexual harassment suits are settled. They're rumors that Councilman Gary Brown may be the next Chief. A little background on Gary; he is one of the first Kwamme whistle blowers and was promptly fired for it. That turned out to be costly for the city as he netted over $8 million in a whistle blower lawsuit. If that happens, and Gary does get the nod for chief, it'll be bitter-sweet. He's one of, if not the only council member who has a lick of sense.

I go back and visit a few times a year and always make a point to hit Greek Town (actually, it's Greek Street) and depending on the time of year I take in either a Tigers or a Wings game (how 'bout those Tigers this year, eh Doc?). And a visit to Greenfield Village in neighboring Dearborn is always a must. Time permitting, I hook up with a buddy or two who are still with DPD and ride a tour with them. Some things haven't changed but, as Doc has correctly pointed out, the City is definitely on a road to recovery. It was too bad Detroit 187 didn't survive but, truth be told, the show's title alone didn't do much for the city's reputation. Speaking of "187", I had the opportunity to meet Michael Imperioli during one of my trips back and he is genuinely a nice guy. When he learned I was a former Detroit cop, he insisted on taking me to dinner at a restaurant of my choice. That was an easy decision to make and we had a nice dinner and some excellent conversation at Mario's at 2nd and Willis. Growing up with a first generation Italian for a dad, Mario's was the only Italian restaurant he said that came anywhere close to the meals his dad would make in the old country.

Now, if only the NHL and the Player's Association will pull their heads out of their greedy asses so I can take in a game at The Joe when I go back in March!


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39920 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3236 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 20):
The East Bay is home to Tony LaRussa along with Mr. Bubb Rubb and one of the worst automotive fads ever. Also the Raiders and Raiders' fans. So I think it's best to take MC Hammer's advice and not touch that.

"Gentrification."

Today in Oakland, you can buy an arugula at a Whole Foods -yet still walk across the street and buy a 40oz of Steel Reserve and grape flavored MD 20/20.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 21):
"Gentrification."

Sometimes it don't work so hot.

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 22):
Not bad for a city that, at one time was the "Mayberry" of SE Michigan.

Is that "Mayberry" as in being a nice, quiet place to live with a small town feel? Or is that "Mayberry" as in not having any black people?

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 22):
It was too bad Detroit 187 didn't survive but, truth be told, the show's title alone didn't do much for the city's reputation.

Isn't "187" only murder in California? It's like showing Rescue 911 in countries where 911 isn't the emergency number or Canadians "taking the fifth," despite their fifth amendment being something about building a bridge.



Why do Aerospace Engineering students have to turn things in on time?
25 itsjustme : Not sure how to take this question but my answer is, a nice quiet place to live with a small town feel. Technically speaking, 187 might only be the P
26 DocLightning : And in a place like Oakland, it works beautifully. Outrageous housing prices in the "upscale" markets drives up housing prices in lower-income areas,
27 BMI727 : Upon further review, it appears that murder is something else in Michigan. Whatever 187 actually is probably isn't more interesting than homicide. St
28 Superfly : Higher prices of homes do not raise income levels. It just attracts wealthier people that already have money.
29 DocLightning : OK. I'm getting tired of it. You've never been to Oakland and yet you're an expert. Seriously, know when not to post, dude. How about you read, rathe
30 Post contains images BMI727 : I've been there, several years ago. Never felt the need to go back. The areas north and south of San Francisco are much nicer. I actually rather like
31 Post contains images Airstud : Yeah that's always been why Detroit's story troubles me so. I've never been there (outside of the DTW terminal anyway) but I've always heard about it
32 mad99 : I have a friend who lives in Oakland, near a lake. She's bought and sold a few homes in this area and has done vary well for herself. From her house
33 Post contains images jpetekyxmd80 : AMEN. Great. Enjoy Modesto. That's such a ridiculous comparison it hardly merits discussion. Oakland is a big city. It has 400,000 people and a large
34 Post contains images Superfly : Sorry BMI727 but I have to disagree with you on this one. DocLightning is correct on this one. Oakland has some magnificent areas and believe it or n
35 Flighty : They complain about it in DC, too. When disadvantaged, ghetto neighborhoods are surrounded by enormous wealth, the basic pressure of the money &
36 BMI727 : I've never been there, but I don't see any problems with Modesto. Not as much as I'd give to live in Sausalito or Fremont. To be fair, most cities ha
37 Post contains images Revelation : Not to mention what you can buy in Oaksterdam...
38 Post contains images EA CO AS : San Jose?
39 Post contains images Superfly : I do find it interesting that DocLightning is moving to the neighborhood were the original Black Panthers started in the 1960s. Would be cool to see D
40 n229nw : LOL. Fremont is a pit: a run-down strip-mall depressing suburb. What draws you there? Taco Bell franchises?[Edited 2012-11-19 20:30:02]
41 BMI727 : It struck me as a nice suburban place with space and people who mostly have some money. Maybe I only saw the nice parts. It could be that I only saw
42 Post contains images Superfly : I wouldn't call Fremont "run-down" either. It's just a bland suburb. Sure you were in Fremont? Next time you're in the Bay Area, visit the Walnut Cre
43 Revelation : CA is the worlds 5th largest economy. I imagine MI would be OK with that status, instead of its current decaying rust belt status. Geeky or not, tech
44 Post contains links Superfly : Not anymore. California slipped to the 10th largest economy in the world. http://sdrostra.com/?p=13567 Not discounting the merits of the tech industr
45 mham001 : I've sometimes worked in Oakland since the mid 80's. Plenty after the fire. I also had friends who moved to Oakland from San Jose thinking all those b
46 Revelation : You may or may not get your wish with MI because one of its native sons showed the country what naked capitalism looks like, and even with a soft eco
47 type-rated : At least they are tearing down some of those old burned out and decrepit abandoned homes near downtown. That's a good thing. I think Detroit is a good
48 Post contains images Superfly : Agreed! Probably because of that Mormon Temple up there in the hill. He doesn't represent the Michigan I was talking about. I've done even better - T
49 Darksnowynight : Torrance & San Pedro have done much the same down here. Though in Torrance' case, that might have a lot to do with putting Rolling Hills within c
50 Post contains links and images Revelation : Interesting. I've kind of described my home to others as "Brady Bunch styled". It's got lots of angles, a main room with lots of open space, a funky-
51 type-rated : But that doesn't make it right. Under the original Dailey administration in Chicago it was known as "Chicago, the city that works". And none of the c
52 dtw9 : That's because none of those cities relied on manufacturing as heavily as Detroit. They also didn't have Coleman Young basically telling whites to "
53 DocLightning : Yes. Detroit learned a very, very bitter lesson about putting all your eggs in one basket. Had they harbored multiple industries, like Chicago, this
54 Post contains links Revelation : I guess you weren't around in the 1970s when NYC was within one day of being bankrupt: Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...City_%281946%E2%80
55 Post contains images Superfly : If I move back to the States, I'd buy a home of that vintage. Haha! I'm guilty of enjoying those beers in the past. Nice area. I drove through there
56 mainMAN : I'm so pleased that you found Detroit to be improving. In an ideal world, it would replicate its near neighbour Toronto, with all the success and asp
57 Revelation : Yeah, I get it. There definitely was a gritty aspect to NYC back then, one that still isn't too far under the covers today. Major issue was crime, wh
58 type-rated : I think that's just what everyone wants. I remember in Chicago in the 60's with the original Mayor Dailey your alderman would come around and visit y
59 Superfly : True. You still get that in parts of Brooklyn. I liked the Caribbean flavor of the Flatbush section. Plenty of hole-in-the-wall eating joints open ti
60 Revelation : Indeed. In my home town the mayor was corrupt as heck, and was known to receive cash in brown envelopes from any contractor wanting business from the
61 Darksnowynight : They certainly get the job done. But that taste... man alive. This broad I like to hangout with lately says that the can should say "From zero to dea
62 Revelation : Seems their football team found several creative ways to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory today...
63 Post contains images Superfly : The cocaine scenes were not my favorite parts of that movie. I thought it was funny how they all took turns having sex in the back seat of their Chev
64 Post contains images Darksnowynight : Yeah, right by that sign that says "Shifting Ground, next .8mi", right? I'm usually going the other way there, with Catalina out the PAX side window.
65 Post contains links itsjustme : And Suh was up to his old tricks. Gave new definition to "sacking" the quarterback. The guy has no business in professional sports. After yesterday's
66 dtw9 : Be fair here now. The ref's officiating Detroit football games don't call a player as being down when his knee touches. He's only down when his knee
67 Post contains images Superfly : That was it! I was driving in the same direction as you. It caught me by surprise but it was fun. So of course I made a U-turn and went back to do it
68 Post contains links and images Revelation : Yeah, that'll prolly be my house, 30 years from now! I like it too much to remodel it, and I'm not too likely to change my mind. Actually there's a 3
69 Post contains images Superfly : So I guess you'll remain indoors posting on Airliners.net as an old man. Cocaine was popular before that movie came out. Saturday Night Fever came ou
70 Post contains links dtw9 : Detroit 9000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy8T34aMxhs[Edited 2012-11-23 09:43:19]
71 Post contains images Superfly : Thanks! Now THAT looks like my kind of movie. Bad acting, car chase scenes, nudity, funky guitar track playing in the background, pimps with big hats
72 Post contains links dtw9 : Fly if you've got a half hour to kill then take a look at this http://vimeo.com/5337314 All too real to a twelve year old kid at the time. Nice gun ba
73 Superfly : Thanks. I've just downloaded it. That is the image most people still have of Detroit. That is a city that still hasn't comeback yet. The Renaissance
74 itsjustme : Hadn't seen that tape before. Thanks for sharing. I was 6 years old at the time the riots occurred and my dad, who wasn't known for his IQ, took my s
75 dtw9 : My Father owned a Lumber yard in the city and shut down for the week of the riot. We lived a couple miles outside the city limits and in our city they
76 mham001 : Interesting shots of Gov Romney. That video did not represent that, in fact the reporter and the people he interviewed on the streets said the opposi
77 Post contains links and images dtw9 : You could fill volumes with the truths that are never told. I have lived here all my life, I think I would know a little more then outsiders. However
78 mham001 : I give you that some whites looted and there were opportunities for arson. That is petty theft and arson, not "standing up to the man" as you implied
79 Post contains links dtw9 : Obviously you didn't read through all of the posts on the link I provided, so again don't try and tell me what this was or wasn't. This happened on t
80 mham001 : I did read every one of those posts. Im sorry but your links are nothing but littered with heavy racial implications, as are the links your link prov
81 Pyrex : Seems like all the tens of billions of U.S. taxpayer money thrown at that money pit had a somewhat positive effect for the time being, before they man
82 Darksnowynight : I'd ask what you think they should have done, but I think I have a good enough idea already... Disasters happen. New Orleans had it's Katrina, the st
83 dtw9 : OK, I surrender. You didn't live here,probably have never been here, but continue to believe you know more about it than me because you read it in a
84 Pyrex : So you are actually comparing natural disasters, such as hurricanes and earthquakes, with man (union)-made destruction such as what happened to Detro
85 itsjustme : You're wasting your breath, er time.
86 NASCARAirforce : You mean that literally with all the Arabic businesses and Arabic population? What kind of issues? No they aren't going to start a Holy war with Sout
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