garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 1, posted (6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Tennessee also fired Derek Dooley. Even though Southern Cal has said otherwise, I'd be shocked if Kiffin isn't on the hot seat or finds himself on it soon. Otherwise I see John L. Smith at Arkansas as likely being done.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 4, posted (6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 3):
USC has already stated he'll be back.
Hence my comment that Southern Cal has said otherwise to his being on the hot seat. I still think given what that program "means" in terms of its fanbase, boosters, and name in college football, that the Kiffin era won't last long. The man is a joke and it's a wonder he ever left Knoxville, TN alive. Maybe one day he'll be able to pump Alshon Jeffrey's gas!
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GSPflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 351 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2391 times:
Safe to say John Smith (Arkansas), Gene Chizik (Auburn), and Joker Phillips (Kentucky) will all be looking for new careers.
I think it was a mistake for Tennessee to fire Dooley. I know a 4-7 record sucks (with no wins in the SEC) but the problem isn't the entire team, it's the defense. They score 36 average points per game, so they have one of the best offenses in the SEC. The problem is that they allow 37 PPG. If their defense steps up and allows 10 less points each game, they would've beat #5 Georgia, #13 South Carolina, and Missouri, giving them a 7-4 record, and guaranteeing a bowl bid. I say fire the hell out of the Defensive coordinator and give Dooley another year to rebuild the program.
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1789 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (6 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2377 times:
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 1): Even though Southern Cal has said otherwise, I'd be shocked if Kiffin isn't on the hot seat or finds himself on it soon.
I have never understood the attraction of this Lane Kiffin guy. I don't know why Tennessee or USC hired him. His biggest accomplishment is being Monte Kiffin's son and plus he is an A-grade douchebag to boot. His firing would make my day.
He's definitely not his daddy...... I honestly would not be surprised if his name is mentioned for the Georgia State job (Bill Curry is retiring after being with the program since 2008 and this was their third season of football.).
Gene Chizik is probably going as well, as Auburn is 3-8 and goes into the Iron Bowl 0-7 in the SEC and look to finish the season 0-8 in the SEC. Even if they beat Alabama , a 4-8 (1-7 SEC) record is not a job saver, especially for a program that won a National Championship two seasons ago.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12562 posts, RR: 64 Reply 9, posted (6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2307 times:
Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 6): I have never understood the attraction of this Lane Kiffin guy.
That's easy; he's an asshole. People for some reason think assholes have an "edge" and more often than not they're all style, no substance. (Buddy Ryan, for example...)
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2302 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
Smith's contract was only for the 2012 season - so he was gone unless he won the BCS Championship.
Still, I think the intention may have been for Smith to have been in the running for the job full time - when he was introduced, he was introduced as "head coach" rather than interim head coach. Beyond that, the idea of having a one-season only appointment is just unthinkable when you take into account the recruiting process. Plus if you're Smith, why give up the Weber State job, even if it's an FCS job, for a 10-month appointment? I think even a middling season from Smith (ie bowl eligibility or one game under eligibility) probably would see him return.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
That's easy; he's an asshole. People for some reason think assholes have an "edge" and more often than not they're all style, no substance. (Buddy Ryan, for example...)
Absolutely. Look at my Alshon Jeffrey reference. It stems from a comment he made after Jeffrey decommitted from Southern Cal. When it looked increasingly like he was going to choose South Carolina over Tennessee, Kiffin called Jeffrey to make a late pitch. His pitch? If Jeffrey became a Gamecock he'd wind up pumping gas for the rest of his life "like all the other players from South Carolina." Never mind that quite a few Gamecocks are in the NFL. Needless to say Jeffrey chose South Carolina and went in the 2nd round of the 2012 draft to Da Bears.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 6150 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (6 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2299 times:
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 10): I think the intention may have been for Smith to have been in the running for the job full time
It might have been a possibility.
The reason for Smith to take a one year job was money. A lot of money. Also Sears is listed as an Interim Head Coach on the Weber web site. Smith might have the job locked up after his year at Arkansas. I would not be surprised to see him go back there.
Also, Arkansas wanted someone else, a 'big name', which wasn't available. They've been quietly feeling out several people this year.
I would not be greatly shocked if a contrite and reformed Petrino returns after the first of the year. Despite the scandel, he is still very popular with big time boosters and the public in Arkansas.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 13, posted (6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9): That's easy; he's an asshole. People for some reason think assholes have an "edge" and more often than not they're all style, no substance. (Buddy Ryan, for example...)
I think we can include Mike Leach to that as well.
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 11): Jon Embree @ Colorado might be on this list even though he's only in his first year.
Embree is in his second year at Colorado.
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He's been playing freshmen at almost every single position, and is limited with the injuries CU has. So, that's not entirely his fault. You have to work with what you have, and Embree is doing exactly that.
Embree has a year or two left in his contract. Colorado's AD has said in yesterday's Denver Post that Embree is here to stay.
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
Idaho fired Rob Akey a couple weeks ago and is using the offensive coordinator to finish the season. Probably the least attractive job in all of FBS but it is still there for anyone that feels like an extreme challenge. I'd imagine they are pushing hard to lure Dennis Erickson out of his retirement to take over, but trading in a live of leasure in Coeur d'Alene for the trainwreck that is the Vandals of Moscow is a tough sell.
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bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2147 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16): He's been playing freshmen at almost every single position, and is limited with the injuries CU has. So, that's not entirely his fault. You have to work with what you have, and Embree is doing exactly that.
Yeah, I know all this but it still hurts. Especially when you call a QB sneak on 1st and 10 when you thought it was 3rd and 1. My only hope is that Bill McCartney went 1-10 his 3rd season and Embree got his out of the way earlier. They might have a shot beating Utah after playing 4 ranked teams in a row.
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fxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7027 posts, RR: 93 Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2144 times:
Just because I can, paid tuition as a grad student for 3 years, I think Mack Brown at UT should be done. He won back in 2005 because of VY, but since then it's just been an average team with no big recruits or wins. Texas screwed up when they let Muschamp leave for Florida.
I don't have any specific names on the possible new coach, but Arkansas is prepared to offer a lot of money to the right coach to get him to come to Fayetteville.
IMHO, being a native of Arkansas and having attend the University in Fayetteville back a long time ago, Arkansas main problem is that the state has a relatively small population and doesn't have the type of high school football programs that 'grow' championship college teams.
They have a good reputation in the state, and surrounding states - but the top prospects go elsewhere.
DiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1294 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2102 times:
Charlie Weis at Kansas should be on the hot seat, but given how poorly the coaches there have done since the Orange Bowl win, they'll keep him around. Hard to recruit when you are the conference punching bag.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 24, posted (6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2100 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 21): They have a good reputation in the state, and surrounding states - but the top prospects go elsewhere.
Being so close to SEC and Big 12 powerhouses definitely hurts recruiting for Arkansas. With Mizzou now in the SEC, that's another state SEC teams will start recruiting in a lot more and try to poach recruits that may have gone to Mizzou or Arkansas (Heck, Florida, Auburn, Bama, Carolina and Tennessee have been doing it in Georgia for years.....). The stink of Petrino is still pretty strong in Fayetteville......
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 25, posted (6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:
Another coach that may be on the hot seat is Bobby Hauck at UNLV. Even if they win tonight (late game against a poor Hawaii team) they finish at 3-10 in his third season in charge. With UNLV looking to move forward on their 50,000 seat retractable roof proposed stadium, they might want to go get a splashy name to show they are going to be committed to football and encourage donations to help the project. Or they might just think that a double digit loss total is unaccepable after three years.
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 23): Charlie Weis at Kansas should be on the hot seat, but given how poorly the coaches there have done since the Orange Bowl win, they'll keep him around. Hard to recruit when you are the conference punching bag.
Isn't this his first season at Kansas? I'd give him some time to at least have mostly his recruits around and see if things improve as the system gets more established.
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DiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1294 posts, RR: 3 Reply 26, posted (6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2091 times:
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 25): Isn't this his first season at Kansas? I'd give him some time to at least have mostly his recruits around and see if things improve as the system gets more established.
1 win (against a MVC team) is unacceptable, regardless of who the players were recruited by. He'll get one more year, but he better turn it around ASAP.
kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 27, posted (6 months 18 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Tom O' Brien at NC State, and Gene Chizik of Auburn were fired this afternoon. More surprised about NC State, since they had a decent year overall, albeit struggled in the ACC except for their win against Florida State.
People have been talking about Danny Hope at Purdue being let go, even though they are bowl eligible.
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 32, posted (6 months 14 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
Does anyone know if any NFL teams have been talking to Chip Kelly? I know there's been rumor that he would leave but I was wondering if anyone else had heard anything.
After seeing those last 7 offensive plays against Notre Dame, I really hope I don't have to see him again.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9): That's easy; he's an asshole. People for some reason think assholes have an "edge" and more often than not they're all style, no substance. (Buddy Ryan, for example...)
I actually never got the impression that Kiffin was an asshole. To me, he's just pretty bland. Though that might be the play-calling....
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 35, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 34): Though that might be the play-calling....
It's the play calling. Let's take a look at Lane's asshole moments since he became a HC:
-Accused Urban Meyer of recruiting violations in calling Nu'Keese Richardson while Richardson was on a visit to Tennessee. In doing so he violated an SEC rule against mentioning recruits by name and, oh yeah, what Meyer was doing wasn't a recruiting violation at all. Got publicly reprimanded by Mike Slive for the comment and had to make a public apology. Never mind the recruiting violations Tennessee incurred during the time for its mock press conference http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...adds-one-more-rea?urn=ncaaf,140108
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 36, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1958 times:
Updated list of HC's getting the axe:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
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vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 8226 posts, RR: 28 Reply 37, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1949 times:
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Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 35):
It's the play calling. Let's take a look at Lane's asshole moments since he became a HC:
Fair enough. I honestly don't pay a whole lot of attention to off-the-field news. Just don't have the patience for it.
Either way, the bland play-calling drives me insane. Especially following the Pete Carroll era.
Funny thing is, our defense (which has been god-awful) actually did pretty darn well against Notre Dame. I'm quite happy with holding them to 1 touchdown and 1 field goal in the first quarter, and then 4 field goals for the remainder of the game. But I really don't know what they were trying to do with our offense. I mean, I know Wittek has a good arm, but jesus, enough with the long throws! Of course, not having Barkley didn't exactly help...
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ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 481 posts, RR: 3 Reply 38, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1948 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 33): Oh, Wow! That's surprising! Their AD said last week that Embree is here to stay. Damn!
Ha, more hot air there than a balloon festival. It was only a matter of time before he got the axe. Not only does the team have no talent, no leadership, no respectable place in the PAC12, now they have no crappy coach.
My real question with CU is why in the hell they would think it was worth obscene humiliation week after week and make the move to the PAC12? Surely they didnt really think they would stand a chance, is the $$ really good enough to put up with it?
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 39, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 38):
My real question with CU is why in the hell they would think it was worth obscene humiliation week after week and make the move to the PAC12? Surely they didnt really think they would stand a chance, is the $$ really good enough to put up with it?
Call us after a few seasons in the Big 10 and we'll let you know.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 40, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 38): My real question with CU is why in the hell they would think it was worth obscene humiliation week after week and make the move to the PAC12? Surely they didnt really think they would stand a chance, is the $$ really good enough to put up with it?
I agree. When the Pac-12 announced that Colorado would be joining, I was very skeptical of the pick. I did not think Colorado would do well. Even though its only been two years, I was right. The pick was not very well thought thoroughly and they (Pac-12) could have went with someone else.
The only good thing Colorado has brought to the conference was the Men's Basketball Champions, last year.
It puzzles my as to why Colorado does not have a baseball team......
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kbjcpilot From United States of America, joined May 2012, 96 posts, RR: 8 Reply 42, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1922 times:
CU's problem is that the school does not allow junior college transfers. All of their players are signed as HS seniors and must attend CU as freshmen. CU wants to keep their academic/admission standards higher than everyone else (it's their own pereception) and lock out athletes as a result. Until CU changes their admissions policy and allows JC transfers or kids that may test lower on their ACT/SAT scores CU will be the laughingstock of the PAC12. I work in Boulder and have never attended a CU football game and probably never will unless they decide that they need a better product on the field.
What would really help is if they fired Mike Bohn, their Athletic Director, and hired someone who knew how to manage a major college athletic program.
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 43, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1896 times:
Quoting kbjcpilot (Reply 42):
CU's problem is that the school does not allow junior college transfers. All of their players are signed as HS seniors and must attend CU as freshmen. CU wants to keep their academic/admission standards higher than everyone else (it's their own pereception) and lock out athletes as a result. Until CU changes their admissions policy and allows JC transfers or kids that may test lower on their ACT/SAT scores CU will be the laughingstock of the PAC12.
Stanford seems to be doing just fine with their high academic standards. Their athletic department top to bottom is almost certainly the best in the nation.
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40): The pick was not very well thought thoroughly and they (Pac-12) could have went with someone else.
It was certainly well thought out, looking at the long term and not just the short term in one sport. The large media market added money for all conference members, the school fits culturally and academically with many members of the conference, and CU has a large alumni base on the west coast. The Pac-12 is a much better fit for the school than the Big 12.
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 38): My real question with CU is why in the hell they would think it was worth obscene humiliation week after week and make the move to the PAC12? Surely they didnt really think they would stand a chance, is the $$ really good enough to put up with it?
They'd have been right there with Kansas as Big 12 punching bag this year. The move was never about raising the level of competition for football, as CU was already playing a tough conference schedule. It was about money, conference stability (the PAC was trying to rip the guts out of the Big 12 at the time), and academic association with the top schools on the west coast.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 44, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1892 times:
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 43): The Pac-12 is a much better fit for the school than the Big 12.
Lets agree to disagree.
But then again, we are getting off topic here. Lets stick to the topic at hand, and that's Head Coaching Terminations.
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ATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 481 posts, RR: 3 Reply 45, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 43): It was certainly well thought out, looking at the long term and not just the short term in one sport. The large media market added money for all conference members, the school fits culturally and academically with many members of the conference, and CU has a large alumni base on the west coast. The Pac-12 is a much better fit for the school than the Big 12.
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on this one but thats the beauty of discussion
Quoting kbjcpilot (Reply 42): CU's problem is that the school does not allow junior college transfers. All of their players are signed as HS seniors and must attend CU as freshmen. CU wants to keep their academic/admission standards higher than everyone else (it's their own pereception) and lock out athletes as a result. Until CU changes their admissions policy and allows JC transfers or kids that may test lower on their ACT/SAT scores CU will be the laughingstock of the PAC12. I work in Boulder and have never attended a CU football game and probably never will unless they decide that they need a better product on the field.
What would really help is if they fired Mike Bohn, their Athletic Director, and hired someone who knew how to manage a major college athletic program.
While I agree CU has issues with their policies (when it comes to building a good football team), many other teams hold similar or even more stringent standards for their players (as mentioned, Stanford), while still not being the laughing stock of college football. Mike Bohn couldnt put the best coach in football in charge and expect anything different. The program really does suck.
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 43): They'd have been right there with Kansas as Big 12 punching bag this year. The move was never about raising the level of competition for football, as CU was already playing a tough conference schedule. It was about money, conference stability (the PAC was trying to rip the guts out of the Big 12 at the time), and academic association with the top schools on the west coast.
Funny you mention that because I have said all year Weis is likely to get the axe after this season no matter what. Kansas has WAY too much potential to keep someone like him in.
My $.02
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 46, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1885 times:
Hey, guys.... May I make a suggestion? If you want to keep discussing who should be in what conference, please do do in another thread or here: Maryland Leaving The ACC (by garnetpalmetto Nov 19 2012 in Non Aviation)
I didn't start ths thread for conference realignments.....
Thanks.
[Edited 2012-11-26 16:33:41]
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GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1988 posts, RR: 9 Reply 47, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1884 times:
NOT CONFIRMED but one of the local Nashville radio stations has been saying that Gruden has been replaced by Trent Dilfer in the booth for at least tonights MNF game. Again, unconfirmed, but why the last minute change?
He's been rumored for The University of Tennessee and both the Eagles and Panthers coaches (tonight's match-up). Stirring the pot? Yes, I am! But an interesting night no less..
Oh, yea, plus this. Dr. Jerry "Punch" from ESPN's Nascar coverage says he has the scoop on Gruden.
And UT's AD Dave Hart has his candidate locked.
Could be interesting 24-48 hours...
[Edited 2012-11-26 16:40:04]
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BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14355 posts, RR: 26 Reply 48, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 41): Haha, no doubt! Sorry, I definitely didnt see that one coming and we may have a new laughing stock of football in Maryland.
If it makes you feel better, Maryland in the Big Ten cannot possibly be worse than Missouri in the SEC.
Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 47): NOT CONFIRMED but one of the local Nashville radio stations has been saying that Gruden has been replaced by Trent Dilfer in the booth for at least tonights MNF game.
That's a great idea whether Gruden is going somewhere or not. I might not have the game on mute tonight.
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 49, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1865 times:
The first year coach I most expected to see fired is Ellis Johnson at Southern Miss. He took over a program with sixteen straight winning seasons and went 0-12. Yikes!
I suppose it could still happen in the next few days.
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kstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 51, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1849 times:
Quoting ATCtower (Reply 45): Funny you mention that because I have said all year Weis is likely to get the axe after this season no matter what. Kansas has WAY too much potential to keep someone like him in.
There's no way they let Weis go. They are already paying off one coach, and to be honest, Weis has seen SOME improvement in his players compared to what they did last year. Heaps will be a better quarterback than Crist for next year, and Sims is going to be one of the top rushers in the Big XII. Defensively is where they'll need a good offseason.
If he struggles next year, he may be done. I think you at least have to give him some time, though.
EA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 12562 posts, RR: 64 Reply 52, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1852 times:
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 37): Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 35):
It's the play calling. Let's take a look at Lane's asshole moments since he became a HC:
Fair enough. I honestly don't pay a whole lot of attention to off-the-field news. Just don't have the patience for it.
For me, the final straw was the preseason coaches poll; USC got one Number 1 vote and Kiffin loudly denied that he'd done it. But he forgot that these votes aren't anonymous, and the next day he looked really foolish when it was revealed that he was the one who gave the Trojans their lone Number 1 vote.
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bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 53, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1813 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 40): It puzzles my as to why Colorado does not have a baseball team......
They dropped it 1980 along with 6 other sports due to budget cuts .
Quoting kbjcpilot (Reply 42): CU's problem is that the school does not allow junior college transfers. All of their players are signed as HS seniors and must attend CU as freshmen.
This simply is not true. I know many JUCO transfers who played @ CU. You must be confused with Notre Dame.
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 43): and CU has a large alumni base on the west coast.
Why do you think it's nicknamed the University of California at Boulder?
BTW, I think Western Michigan fired its coach too. I forgot his name.
[Edited 2012-11-27 06:31:04]
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 54, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1810 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 53):
BTW, I think Western Michigan fired its coach too. I forgot his name.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 55, posted (5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1795 times:
Here is now the updated list of HC's getting the axe:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
Cubit - Western Michigan
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
If you guys know anyone else who is retiring officially, please cite that. I figured that there were going to be more termination/retires than the list we have now.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 56, posted (5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1774 times:
garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 59, posted (5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
As an aside with Phillips and Johnson both gone, that's two former members of Lou Holtz's staff at South Carolina who're on the unemployment line. If rumors are true that Skip Holtz is out at South Florida...looks like the only member of those staffs who's really gone on to bigger and better things is Charlie Strong.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 60, posted (5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1764 times:
On the flip side of things - Mark Stoops, Bob Stoops' younger brother, has been named as Kentucky's next HC.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 62, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1656 times:
Oh, Wow! Thought you guys would love to see this. A quite a few folks around the Denver Metro area are not very happy with the termination of Colorado HC Jon Embree......
garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 63, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1520 times:
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 64, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1514 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 61): New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Trent Miles - Georgia State
Georgia State moves to the Sun Belt Conference and the FBS next season, so while the crux of the discussion is regarding FBS schools, Georgia State's moves are worth mentioning since they will be an FBS school next season. .
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 65, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1454 times:
Terminated HC's:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
Cubit - Western Michigan
Johnson - Southern Mississippi
Holtz - South Florida
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
Curry - Georgia State
New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Doeren - NC State
Miles - Georgia State
Petrino - Idaho
Quoting srbmod (Reply 64): Georgia State moves to the Sun Belt Conference and the FBS next season, so while the crux of the discussion is regarding FBS schools, Georgia State's moves are worth mentioning since they will be an FBS school next season.
Fair enough, it belongs to this thread. Thanks for that info, SRBMod, I did not know Georgia State made the move. I have added that accordingly. I appreciate it.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 66, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1442 times:
You may also want to create a category for HC slots opening by virtue of the HC departing for elsewhere - Doeren's departure from NIU, for instance, creates an opening there.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 67, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1428 times:
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 66): Doeren's departure from NIU, for instance, creates an opening there.
Is NIU a FBS (or Bowl Championship Series eligible) school? I think NIU is FCS.
[Edited 2012-12-03 13:07:28]
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 68, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1424 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 67):
Is NIU a FBS (or Bowl Championship Series eligible) school? I think NIU is FCS.
No, they're FBS. If they aren't, the Noles may have the easiest road to a BCS Bowl win ever and the Orange Bowl will have the lowest ratings ever! They're this year's MAC champions and are headed to the Orange Bowl against the 'Noles. They were in the MAC from 1973 to 1985, left to be an independent (1986-1992), then joined the Big West from '93 to '95 then another year as an independent before rejoining the MAC in 1997.
[Edited 2012-12-03 13:32:15]
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 69, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1419 times:
Ok, well, this is a thread for coaches who were fired, not when they bolt for another school. I added the retires because I felt it was showing that the coach itself is done with football as a whole.
That is why I am not adding the NIU to the list, hence why I have a:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 65): New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
I appreciate the advice, however.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 70, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
I'm sure you do and am always glad to provide advice to those in need of it! Sorry to step on any toes, I just thought that with an opening at NIU now, you may want to add that to the list since they'll be in need of a new head coach too, just as if Doeren had been fired instead of moving on to bigger (although not necessarily better given how rabid NC State's boosters are for something more than a 7-5 season) things.
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srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 71, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1414 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 65): Fair enough, it belongs to this thread. Thanks for that info, SRBMod, I did not know Georgia State made the move. I have added that accordingly. I appreciate it.
Unlike my support for UGA, I can actually claim attending Georgia State and was happy to see them add football several years back. The jump after three seasons to the FBS is going to be a pretty rough one seeing as they went 1-10 this past season and played a mix of FCS and FBS teams unlike their first two seasons which were a mix of NAIA, NCAA Div. II, FCS and FBS teams. Next season they have games against West Virgina and Alabama as part of their non-conference schedule along with UT-Chattanooga and Jacksonville State.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 72, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1407 times:
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 70): Sorry to step on any toes, I just thought that with an opening at NIU now, you may want to add that to the list since they'll be in need of a new head coach too
Oh, you certainly have NOT stepped on any toes here, thats for sure. It is a good idea, but if the NIU coach was fired then went elsewhere after that, I would have put him down on the termination list. But he was not fired, which is a good thing. Lets put it this way, he advanced his career on his own and avoided the naughty list. LOL.
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 73, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1402 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 72): How come they kept on moving around? Where they "shopping" for a conference or something in the last few years?
If I remember correctly they only just recently started a team, the first year would just be a play everyone team and try and get everyone experience, then they had to compete in the conference they were in and finally their move into C-USA will make them (by default I think they have to with the move) an FBS team.
srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16888 posts, RR: 51 Reply 74, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1388 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 72): How come they kept on moving around? Where they "shopping" for a conference or something in the last few years?
They had joined the Colonial Athletic Association back in 2005, but the football program (which didn't start playing until 2010) didn't start CAA play until this most recent season and played as an independent their first two seasons as they wanted to get a few seasons under their belt before beginning conference play.
bjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 2776 posts, RR: 2 Reply 75, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1366 times:
Colorado has offered Butch Jones their HC job. He also interviewed at Purdue. He could also stay @ Cincy but with the Big East being in such a flux. I have 2 big concerns about him, he has never rebuilt a program (inhereited two Gary Kelly teams) and doesn't have strong recruiting ties to Calfornia and Texas. We'll see.
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mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2315 posts, RR: 5 Reply 77, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1336 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 76): Wisconsin HC Brett Bielema as taken Arkansas' job
I have mixed feelings over this. In a way I liked having Bielema around as kind of a younger coach, but in recent years his gaffs have started to become more apparent. I wonder if Barry Alvarez will allow him to coach at the Rose Bowl. I'm sure some would say to do otherwise would seem classless, but I doubt Alvarez cares what I or any of us folks want. But this move to Arkansas, it doesn't quite seem to have the right fit to me for some reason. To me, on face-value this just looks like a cash move and it sort of bugs me.
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IllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 78, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1329 times:
Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 77): I wonder if Barry Alvarez will allow him to coach at the Rose Bowl. I'm sure some would say to do otherwise would seem classless, but I doubt Alvarez cares what I or any of us folks want.
It's not classless. Most coaches who announced changes are not allowed to then coach their team in a Bowl game. He should clean out his office tomorrow and be gone. Cold, but that's the way it works. Maybe Alvarez himself will come out of retirement and take over for one game - at least he knows how to win it.
BMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 14355 posts, RR: 26 Reply 79, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
Quoting IllinoisMan (Reply 78): It's not classless. Most coaches who announced changes are not allowed to then coach their team in a Bowl game. He should clean out his office tomorrow and be gone.
More importantly, they cannot wait around for a month when they should be out recruiting and doing their best to hit the ground running at the new job.
And why would he want to stick around and get his ass beating from Stanford? Seeing that might make Arkansas change their mind.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 80, posted (5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
Okay, here we have the newly refreshed, and updated list:
Terminated HC's:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
Cubit - Western Michigan
Johnson - Southern Mississippi
Holtz - South Florida
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
Curry - Georgia State
New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Doeren - NC State
Miles - Georgia State
Petrino - Idaho
Bielema - Arkansas
Malzano - Auburn
Addazio - Boston College
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 79): More importantly, they cannot wait around for a month when they should be out recruiting and doing their best to hit the ground running at the new job.
I believe there is a dead period in recruiting during during the College Bowl Season according to this Seattle Times article by Bob Condotta:
"One thing the earlier bowl game will do for UW is give the Huskies a longer break once it is over. With the game on Dec. 22, and recruiting then in a dead period through Jan. 3 (the dead period begins Dec. 17)"
This is in the "Tuesday links --- UW didn't get an easy draw against Boise State" part of the Husky Blog.
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garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 83, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1258 times:
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4245 posts, RR: 29 Reply 84, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1248 times:
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 85, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1238 times:
There are reports that Cal is going to hire Sonny Dykes away from Louisiana Tech. Also reports that Colorado is close to a deal with Butch Jones. Neither is official yet, but if they happen that means Cincinnatti and Louisiana Tech will be looking for new coaches, and San Jose State will have dodged a huge bullet in keeping Mike MacIntyre from heading up the bay to Cal.
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IllinoisMan From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 86, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1218 times:
garnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5244 posts, RR: 55 Reply 88, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1198 times:
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 87): California hires Louisiana Tech's Sonny Dykes as their HC.
With a name like that, his neighbors may think he's engaged in an entirely different California business!
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 89, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1154 times:
Looks like Colorado couldn't get the deal done with Butch Jones. Instead he is headed to Tennessee.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 90, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
Ok, updated list....
Terminated HC's:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
Cubit - Western Michigan
Johnson - Southern Mississippi
Holtz - South Florida
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
Curry - Georgia State
New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Doeren - NC State
Miles - Georgia State
Petrino - Idaho
Bielema - Arkansas
Malzahn - Auburn
Addazio - Boston College
Hazell - Purdue
Dykes - California
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 82): Airframe we also need a category for vacancies created by hires.
Like I said earlier in reply 72, it is a good idea, but these guys were not "fired" per se.... The reason why I added the Retires part is to show that these guys are leaving the game as a whole.
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4245 posts, RR: 29 Reply 91, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1134 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 90):
Would you like to explain the picture here since you did not write anything relevant to the thread? Seems like a low quality post to me.
It's the highest quality post in this thread - no offense to anyone.
In this thread of coaching terminations, Bielema (self) terminated to go to Arkansas, leaving Barry Alvarez (pictured) to reinstate himself as head coach and attempt to win a record 4th Rose Bowl. It's the most compelling story of bowl season outside of ND/Bama. I thought it would speak for itself with the discussion of Bielema directly above it.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 92, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1124 times:
FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 94, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1039 times:
and Bobby Patrino is back...
...at Western Kentucky.
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2644 posts, RR: 2 Reply 96, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 961 times:
Kliff Kingsbury will take over at Texas Tech. Totally classless exit from Tuberville as he left out the back door during a dinner with recruits in Lubbock. Didn't say anything to them about taking the Cincinnati job, just got up in the middle of dinner and left.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 26 Reply 97, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 935 times:
New list, and it is getting longer!:
Terminated HC's:
Dooley - Tennessee
Tedford - California
Akey - Idaho
Smith - Arkansas
O'Brien - NC State
Chizik - Auburn
Phillips - Kentucky (Nov 4)
Hope - Purdue
Embree - Colorado
Spaziani - Boston College
Cubit - Western Michigan
Johnson - Southern Mississippi
Holtz - South Florida
HC Retires:
Price - UTEP
Curry - Georgia State
New HC's, replacing the Terminated/Retired ones:
Mark Stoops - Kentucky
Doeren - NC State
Miles - Georgia State
Petrino - Idaho
Bielema - Arkansas
Malzahn - Auburn
Addazio - Boston College
Hazell - Purdue
Dykes - California
Jones - Tennessee
MacIntyre - Colorado
Patrino - Western Kentucky
Tuberville - Cincinnati
Kingsbury - Texas Tech
Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 96): Totally classless exit from Tuberville as he left out the back door during a dinner with recruits in Lubbock. Didn't say anything to them about taking the Cincinnati job, just got up in the middle of dinner and left.
Now why would he do that? Seems classless, I don't know. Maybe he is trying to avoid a recruiting violation now that he is the new Cincinnati coach. I'm sure that would leave a very sour taste in the mouthes of the parents, and the recruits. He should have said something then left gracefully. But who knows....
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FRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2316 posts, RR: 10 Reply 98, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 925 times:
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 97): Now why would he do that? Seems classless, I don't know. Maybe he is trying to avoid a recruiting violation now that he is the new Cincinnati coach. I'm sure that would leave a very sour taste in the mouthes of the parents, and the recruits. He should have said something then left gracefully. But who knows....
What Tuberville did at Texas Tech was really no different than what Lane Kiffin did at Tennessee a few years back. Ran a program into the ground and than not so much as a goodbye once they saw greener pastures at other schools (Kiffin to USC and Tuberville to Cincy)...
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