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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

A friend of mine works for a govt department, this department are having their Christmas party this coming Friday, however they won't be serving traditional Norwegian Christmas food due to complaints from some staff members, these staff members cannot eat the food as it's against their religion. Norwegian Christmas food in this part of the country is generally pork belly/ribbe and lamb. So now 140 or so people will not be able to enjoy a traditional Christmas meal with their co-workers because a couple of religious zealots have objected. I don't think this is fair, if these people have an issue with the food they shouldn't attend.

Ribbe (pork belly)

http://www.aperitif.no/var/aperitif/storage/images/oppskrifter2/kokebok/kjoett/julemaaltidet/steking-av-ribbe/5781572-10-nor-NO/Steking-av-ribbe.jpg

Pinnekjott (salted lamb)

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/55/554/554954/v960_1227260745.jpg

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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10254 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3372 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
A friend of mine works for a govt department, this department are having their Christmas party this coming Friday, however they won't be serving traditional Norwegian Christmas food due to complaints from some staff members, these staff members cannot eat the food as it's against their religion. Norwegian Christmas food in this part of the country is generally pork belly/ribbe and lamb. So now 140 or so people will not be able to enjoy a traditional Christmas meal with their co-workers because a couple of religious zealots have objected. I don't think this is fair, if these people have an issue with the food they shouldn't attend.

This sounds more like the reaction was stupid, rather than the original issue.

Why didn't they just provide alternatives to the traditional Christmas food for those who can't eat it?

I see no issue with folks who can't eat certain items requesting that their company provide alternatives at a company-sanctioned party.

Plus, a lot of my extended family are vegetarians, but they're by no means "religious zealots". What if people have allergies to a particular food? Are they "allergic zealots"?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Who celebrates a CHRISTmas dinner if his or her religion forbids the eating of pork?   


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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
This sounds more like the reaction was stupid, rather than the original issue.

head on. It is important to remember that it isn't the food that is important. It is meeting in an environment different from the day to day environment.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
Why didn't they just provide alternatives to the traditional Christmas food for those who can't eat it?

A simple solution that has been very successful where I have seen it used. Coming from a restaurant family I have seen it many times and as a vegetarian I have experienced it often enough.

It is all about being smart and remember what it really is about.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3360 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
Why didn't they just provide alternatives to the traditional Christmas food for those who can't eat it?

To date I've never been to a Norwegian Christmas Party where alternatives to traditional food have been offered, I don't have problem with that, after all it's a traditional Norwegian Christmas Party.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3348 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):

To date I've never been to a Norwegian Christmas Party where alternatives to traditional food have been offered, I don't have problem with that, after all it's a traditional Norwegian Christmas Party.

In this day and age, with 140 employees (from Norway no less) you're bound to have a good number of vegetarians anyway. Why not provide some meat-free food as well, and there's a good chance that those who are strict about their diet for religious reasons can eat that too.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10254 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3326 times:
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Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
To date I've never been to a Norwegian Christmas Party where alternatives to traditional food have been offered

So?

Quoting aloges (Reply 2):
Who celebrates a CHRISTmas dinner if his or her religion forbids the eating of pork?

If my employer is holding a Christmas/holiday dinner, why wouldn't I go?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 5):
In this day and age, with 140 employees (from Norway no less) you're bound to have a good number of vegetarians anyway. Why not provide some meat-free food as well, and there's a good chance that those who are strict about their diet for religious reasons can eat that too.

For the vegitarians (I've never met a Norwegian vegetarian BTW) there are the non meat items that come with Norwegian Christmas food. That should be enough to keep them happy.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 6):
So?

So, why should an alternative be offered, it's a traditional Norwegian Christmas meal, Norwegians are very fond of these traditions and don't like anyone messing with them.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8735 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 6):
If my employer is holding a Christmas/holiday dinner, why wouldn't I go?

I can't think of a reason, mostly because you don't seem to follow a strict interpretation of any religion. It is, however, hypocritical to join a celebration of the birth of Christ if you adhere so strictly to another religion that you "have" to spoil other people's Christmas dinner because your religion forbids its main ingredient.

I do agree with you:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
This sounds more like the reaction was stupid, rather than the original issue.

but KiwiRob's relation of the story sounded like the person/people in question didn't lobby for a more diverse buffet, but against the traditional option... or like something with equal consequences happened.



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User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Pork I can understand, but Lamb? I thought all religions could eat lamb. HMMMM

I'm on both sides on this. I can understand why someone would not want to attend a Christmas dinner and be forced to eat food that is against my religion.

GET OVER IT PEOPLE, I'm not trying to convert you to my religion because I want you at party. And if you are that weak about your religion, that you may convert because I served you some food, you do need a new religion.


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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

Those who don't want the traditional pork should get a nice bowl of SODD - or perhaps, sodd off......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodd



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3121 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 10):
I'm on both sides on this. I can understand why someone would not want to attend a Christmas dinner and be forced to eat food that is against my religion.


Forced? You're telling me that the Norwegians put on their Viking helmets and will hold down those who object to eating pork and shove it into their mouths?  Wow!

If your religion forbids you from eating pork and pork is the main constituent of a Christmas dinner and/or party, you have the choice to not attend. If you choose to attend, don't be offended by the offerings.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3043 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 7):
So, why should an alternative be offered, it's a traditional Norwegian Christmas meal, Norwegians are very fond of these traditions and don't like anyone messing with them.

Ah, but by the same token, the objectors are objecting because of their traditions. And no, not all of them are immigrants.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12):

If your religion forbids you from eating pork and pork is the main constituent of a Christmas dinner and/or party, you have the choice to not attend. If you choose to attend, don't be offended by the offerings.

I can agree with that. However, I like to make as many people as happy as possible. Throw in a side table of offerings that anyone can eat... like some vegetarian and non-pork dishes. Everyone gets to eat and be happy. Being stubborn about stubbornness breeds more stubbornness, and it comes back around until we have yet another holy war.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):
I can agree with that. However, I like to make as many people as happy as possible. Throw in a side table of offerings that anyone can eat... like some vegetarian and non-pork dishes. Everyone gets to eat and be happy. Being stubborn about stubbornness breeds more stubbornness, and it comes back around until we have yet another holy war.


We love to entertain. And we have a couple of friends that are Muslim. When we have a bunch of people over, we offer a variety of meals, including pork. No one makes a fuss, we all just eat and have a good time. The Muslims don't eat the pork. Easy.

The OP's situation is different. The protesting group isn't looking for an accommodation, they're looking for capitulation...and it appears they've won. And, that is wrong.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3025 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):

The OP's situation is different. The protesting group isn't looking for an accommodation, they're looking for capitulation...and it appears they've won. And, that is wrong.

I saw nothing to suggest they wanted "capitulation".

I'm not familiar with Norwegian HR types, but American HR departments have a tendency to staff insecure types of people. It's very possible that the workers in question complained about not having non-kosher food at the party, and in response (either out of real fear of a lawsuit or just a tactic to generate bad publicity against them) decided that there was to be NO pork at the party.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 14):
It's very possible that the workers in question complained about not having non-kosher food at the party, and in response (either out of real fear of a lawsuit or just a tactic to generate bad publicity against them) decided that there was to be NO pork at the party.

Same result. A couple of forceful folks push over the HR folks. My guess, and it is a guess, is that pork would not have been tolerated and a bigger stink made.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
The OP's situation is different. The protesting group isn't looking for an accommodation, they're looking for capitulation...and it appears they've won. And, that is wrong.

Yes, well, then again, any and all information we have about the incident is from said threadstarter himself, who made very clear what he thinks of Muslim eating habits in a recently deleted post.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5712 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
Same result.

But how do you fix it, if you don't care who's to blame?

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
A couple of forceful folks push over the HR folks

Trust me, when it comes to "minority issues" it don't take much force to push them over (right or wrong).

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 15):
My guess, and it is a guess, is that pork would not have been tolerated and a bigger stink made.

No offense, but that just shows your prejudice. There is not NEARLY enough information in any post to make that guess.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 16):
who made very clear what he thinks of Muslim eating habits in a recently deleted post.

Not just muslim, jewish as well, in this day and age the way meat is slaughtered for these religious groups is disgusting, we have rules for the humane treatment of animals, so no reason why religion should negate these rules.


User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 17):
Trust me, when it comes to "minority issues" it don't take much force to push them over (right or wrong).


I deal with HR all the time. You're right, it doesn't take much, but we all know that groups take advantage of that mindset.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 17):
There is not NEARLY enough information in any post to make that guess.


You're right. There isn't enough information, but I'll stand by my guess. It's not prejudice, it's stereotyping based on observations. And yes, we all stereotype, whether you want to believe it or not.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 17):
But how do you fix it, if you don't care who's to blame?


I actually do care. Problem is, that we have a group that is more than willing to exert pressure and impose their belief system on the majority around them and you have another group (HR, in this case) that bow to this pressure. Of course, that's assuming that the OP's rendition of the facts is correct.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5600 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
Not just muslim, jewish as well, in this day and age the way meat is slaughtered for these religious groups is disgusting, we have rules for the humane treatment of animals, so no reason why religion should negate these rules.


I disagree. I won't speak for other nations, but, here in the US, we do need to allow religious groups their core beliefs. I don't necessarily agree with the methods, but they are their methods and they can be traced back to the origins of the religions.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 20):
I disagree. I won't speak for other nations, but, here in the US, we do need to allow religious groups their core beliefs.

Have you ever been to a freezing works and watched beasts slaughtered, I have, I went with an uncle who was a butcher, animals killed with a captive bolt die quickly, animals with their throats slit die in pain and make a lot of noise, the killing chain workers do not like it when killing animals for hallil and kosher meat.

I do not see why civiliased people should be allowed to treat killing animals with such distain for the purposes of religion, we are supposed to be better than this.

We can allow immigrants and religions folk their core beliefs up to a certain point, we should not have to change our behavior to accommodate them.


User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Thread starter):
A friend of mine works for a govt department, this department are having their Christmas party this coming Friday, however they won't be serving traditional Norwegian Christmas food due to complaints from some staff members, these staff members cannot eat the food as it's against their religion. Norwegian Christmas food in this part of the country is generally pork belly/ribbe and lamb. So now 140 or so people will not be able to enjoy a traditional Christmas meal with their co-workers because a couple of religious zealots have objected. I don't think this is fair, if these people have an issue with the food they shouldn't attend.

The problem here isn't pork...it's that the leadership of a diverse organization is throwing a "Christmas Party" in the first place. Is that going to be held before or after their "Celebration of Being White", or the "Gays Only Retreat"?

This whole issue could have been averted with a little bit of common sense...ie throw a 'Holiday Party' and ask for feedback on the menu. Then non-Christians could identify the fact that they can't eat the main course and request an alternative.

Mutual respect. Problem solved. Ironic that I (the damned atheist) needed to point out something so obvious.

Edit:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 13):
The OP's situation is different. The protesting group isn't looking for an accommodation, they're looking for capitulation...and it appears they've won. And, that is wrong.

This may be true, but people get like this when they feel marginalized for being different on something as elemental as religious belief. If they felt like they were valued they'd probably offer to bring a food to share from their tradition.

Just because an action seeks to accommodate something other than the default majority worldview (in this case Christianity), doesn't make it a cynical concession to political correctness. Sometimes it's just the right thing to do.



[Edited 2012-11-22 05:28:50]

User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 8):
It is, however, hypocritical to join a celebration of the birth of Christ if you adhere so strictly to another religion that you "have" to spoil other people's Christmas dinner because your religion forbids its main ingredient.

The real hypocrisy is throwing a "Christmas" party in the workplace when not all of the employees are Christians.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7670 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 23):
The real hypocrisy is throwing a "Christmas" party in the workplace when not all of the employees are Christians.

When the vast and I mean vast majority (apparently only 4 people in the entire 140 weren't ethnic Norwegian) why should any accommodation be made. My company is having it's Christmas party next week, there will be 300 hundred odd people going, we have over 20 different nationalities working here and I guarantee all the food with be ethnic Norwegian christmas food, after all we chose to move here so we should expect to follow the local traditions. I don't expect to see NZ style Christmas food on the table, I can't see why anyone else should either.

I'd feel fairly confident that if I was going to a Hanuka party all the food there would be jewish and kosher, would any efforts be made to satisfy my tastes and dislike of how kosher meat is killed, I doubt it.


25 WestJet747 : So I guess the non-Christians shouldn't get days off for Christmas then, eh? Like you, I'm an atheist, but even I believe that we shouldn't make conc
26 Post contains images Maverick623 : Seriously, if you're that bothered by the word "Christmas"... well...
27 SmittyOne : I've got no problem with Christmas...other than the fact that I've got to put the damned tree up again tomorrow (seems like we just took it down). Wh
28 Dreadnought : I call BS. If I go to Germany and Beer and pork offend me, it's up to me to leave. If find women in skimpy bikinis offensive, don't go to the Riviera
29 SmittyOne : No shit, Sherlock. Who in their right mind would disagree with these obvious and largely superficial examples? Unfortunately, what I was discussing b
30 Dreadnought : Within reason, that's how much. If you are in a predominantly Christian country, it is perfectly fine to have a Christmas party, with a Christmas tre
31 SmittyOne : Rhetorical question - what percentage of your workforce needs to be non-Christian before you decide to call it a 'holiday party' and invite people to
32 nickh : This thread about political correctness (stupidity) reminds me of a lawsuit, filed about a decade (or more) ago by a group of Hindu Vegetarians, again
33 Dreadnought : If that had been the case, there would have been no thread. They not only objected to having to eat pork (which I can understand), but objected to ha
34 cmf : Because McD said it was vegetarian. Dumb witch??? You should spend a few moments gathering facts. Then you will learn that the coffee that, as you sa
35 Darksnowynight : Anything above zero. Right. They could have avoided this mess simply by being more respectful and inclusive. Perhaps that is somewhat ironic. That's
36 SmittyOne : To be fair, we don't know that to be true from what little KiwiRob told us. Their NORWEGIAN hosts? The folks who brought up the pork issue were also
37 fr8mech : So, if even one person, in an organization, is not Christian, the organization must accomadate that person during a Christmas party? Utter rubbish.
38 Darksnowynight : Yes. And what's hard to understand about that? No one's saying they can't have christian food too. They just need to accommodate their minorities too
39 777way : Very Incosiderate on the part of the hosts and the non-chtistian guests, for not providing alternate dishes and for forcing the menu to be changed, it
40 Quokkas : The trouble I have with this discussion is that all sorts of assumptions are being made on the basis of very flimsy facts. We have hearsay evidence of
41 777way : ^ True, it could all have happened in jovial manner for all we know, with funny sarcasm and what not, and has been twisted into another thing here.
42 AR385 : I have worked at a very big energy, multinational conglomerate based in Houston. We had operations in many, many countries, with different cultures, r
43 Charles79 : In my opinion, I think it's fair...and certainly not the big deal some are making it out to be. Chances are this is the only time during the year whe
44 KiwiRob : No they were immigrants.
45 Post contains images CXB77L : If only all immigrant minority groups thought like that rather than expect the majority to bend over backwards for them ... I'm a migrant to Australi
46 Darksnowynight : True enough. The only thing that should ever be termed "festive bush" better be attached to the kind of women Superfly digs.
47 777way : Just noticed that lamb was on offe rwhich is ok with all so the issue must have been kosher or halal doubt if it was vegan.
48 Fabo : Aehm. SInce when, exactly, is Thanksgiving a Christian holiday?
49 SmittyOne : How exactly does the management of a government office inviting their employees to a party commemorating a specific religious faith constitute "treat
50 SmittyOne : Which is great, but in the long run the majority culture will change over time due to the 'spices' added to it by immigrants - which is also a good t
51 CXB77L : Because everyone is invited. The invitation isn't open only to persons of a specific gender, religion, or ethnic background. Just because Christmas i
52 SmittyOne : So your position is that when government offices - who theoretically consist of and work for a population that is free to be Christian or not - throw
53 KiwiRob : Depends on which side of the debate you are on.
54 Post contains images Dreadnought : I'm sure that's what we told the Native Americans at the time.
55 CXB77L : Correct. Because it isn't just any old holiday party, it's the Christmas holiday party, and each country has its own traditions as to what's being se
56 SmittyOne : Fair enough, I disagree with this but appreciate your willingness to articulate your position sensibly.
57 scbriml : Seriously, I've yet to attend any work Christmas event that has anything to do with religion. I'm an atheist but I'll be enjoying Christmas with my f
58 KiwiRob : Same here, it's all about the booze, the food and the off chance that you might get your end away, it's just a shame that in this instance some ffffd
59 SmittyOne : Sounds to me Rob that your real issue is the larger one of Muslim immigration to Norway. Perhaps you should just start a thread about that.
60 cmf : No it is not. It is meeting in a different environment.
61 Mortyman : Sounds strange to me. I work at a government run office and here there are offerings in adittional to the tradittional Norwegian christmas foods for t
62 KiwiRob : Since I'm not Norwegian why should I care who immigrates to Norway, I just think that anyone immigrating anywhere should forget about what their life
63 Maverick623 : In case you haven't heard, the rest of the world is not as safe as Norway is.
64 Pyrex : Eating pork is a big part of my culture. Someone telling me that such an important part of my culture somehow involves the consumption of a "dirty".
65 KiwiRob : That's fine but when they move they need to adjust, the problem is many don't, they expect their hosts to accept them as they are.
66 stealthz : No it isn't, Not as safe as Australia, USA, UK and many other places yet many hundreds of thousands of migrants move from those unsafe places to the
67 KiwiRob : And make life worse for the unfortunate original inhabitants of the countries who are forced to accept them. The west should no longer accept refugee
68 Geezer : I've been thinking the same thing for years now, Stealthz ! Lol ! Been thinking about that too, Rob ! Charley
69 777way : Your post makes no sense as I said it was wrong on part of the NON-christians to impose their views and have the menu chnaged, you can eat pork all y
70 Quokkas : I again raise the question of a reliable independent witness to what actually transpired. So far we have the unsubstantiated claim, based on hearsay,
71 KiwiRob : My friend isn't a member of a.net, I very much doubt he intends to join just to say what I have already said.
72 lewis : Because everyone is invited and free to join as long as they want to. If it is anything like the place I work, the company also has small events for
73 Quokkas : If such a case happened, or is alleged to have have happened in Australia or Britain, for example, you could bet your life savings that it would be r
74 CXB77L : I agree that there has yet to be any evidence apart from the word of an a.netter's friend that this incident occurred as described. But I would consi
75 Pyrex : I do not eat Halal meat - find the way the animals are slaughtered disgusting. So you are saying if I go to a home in Pakistan and someone offers me
76 Post contains images scbriml : The only failure here is the totally incorrect assumption that an office "Christmas Party" is a religious event. It's clearly not. It's just an offic
77 SmittyOne : Maybe not, but if you worked for me (I actually am in charge of a government function of about 150 people) I would know if you had a problem with Hal
78 Pyrex : Fat chance. If I told someone at my workplace I do not eat Halal (or Kosher meat - same principle) I would likely be referred to HR for investigation
79 SmittyOne : I'm sorry to hear that!
80 777way : Not at all, but I must commend you for the attempt to try and twist the argument in your favour with that illogical analogy, your hosts will just won
81 Quokkas : At least you are honest enough to accept that killing animals is not humane per se. It is all a question of degree. Typically in Western Countries an
82 Pyrex : Not only have I always been opposed but I am actually ashamed that my country is associated with such barbaric acts. Oh, and I don't (not in this ins
83 Post contains images KaiGywer : Norway is a Constitutional Christian country. Different place, different norms from what you're used to here. You've obviously never been to a Norweg
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