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A Week In The Los Angeles Area  
User currently offlinejetblue777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 1468 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

Hey guys,

My family and I are off to SoCal this coming Winter Break to visit some family, friends, and of course, get the hell out of New York during winter. We've been to California before and it is to this day, my favorite US state. Although we have some good friends that can definitely show us around, I'd like to hear some of your opinions!

- What is the best beach to visit in the area? (I don't mind the crowds)
- Is Catalina Island worth the visit? If so, what is the cheapest way to get to the island?
- Recommended day tours outside the area? (We've done San Diego/Sea World)
- Any sort of aviation museums/places of interests that are worth the visit?
- Definitely going to In N' Out near LAX this time around!
- I know this is a broad question, any recommendations on where to eat?

PS We're staying at my aunt's house in Orange County and we're using her car to go around the area.

Dates: Dec 24 through January 1 (Morning)

jetBlue777   


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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Orange County huh? Laguna Beach has several nice beaches and while not a beach in the strictest sense of the word the tide-pool-ish areas north of there around Corona del Mar are very neat and scenic.

Aviation museums include the Lyon Air Museum at SNA (tiny, but well located and has some unusual automotive artifacts,) the museum at March Air Reserve Base (RIV) if it's not too hot outside, and Planes of Fame and that other one next to it at Chino. There's also the space shuttle Endeavour at the California Science Center now, I haven't yet been there.

Day trips depends a bit on what you're interested in but there are some hiking trails in the regional parks inland, some great art museums in downtown LA if you're into that, and kayak rentals in Newport Beach can be good fun (see how the other half live!) If you define day-trip range widely enough some parts of the desert are also within range, I made Mojave Air and Space Port, Tehachapi Pass, and back within a day once.


User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2374 times:

Just to add my opini I on to the excellent advice already offered...

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- Is Catalina Island worth the visit? If so, what is the cheapest way to get to the island?

Absolutely worth it - stay the night too if you can. We went on the fast ferry from San Pedro (I think). Avalon is small and very easy to walk around, plus there's some nice tours of the island, snorkelling and loads of other stuff to do. It was one of the nicest mini-breaks I've had in years. I'd imagine the Catalina Express is the cheapest way to get there, though if there's a few of you, maybe it'd be worth checking out a flight over?

Regarding beaches, I'd also add that Huntington Beach is nice and worth a trip, particularly if you're a Beach Boys fan.  

Enjoy SoCal.

Mark



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- What is the best beach to visit in the area? (I don't mind the crowds)



Won't be any crowds this time of year. It's too cold for beach weather. It will be in the 40 & 50s, maybe low 60s. So bring a jacket to the beach.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 1):
Planes of Fame and that other one next to it at Chino.


I thing the old Doobie Brother's 'Doobieliner' is parked there too.


There is always the Rose Parade in Pasadena. The night before the parade, people camp out and party all in to the night & early morning. Bring a warm sleeping bag, tent and grill and enjoy your urban camping experience.  

Lots of good Filipino restaurants throughout SoCal.
There are a few Jolibees in SoCal as well.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2332 times:

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- Recommended day tours outside the area? (We've done San Diego/Sea World)

Palmdale. Lots of interesting Aviation stuff all over the place, and a pretty nice drive up there too. When you're done that, drive up to Mojave; it's pretty close by. They have the spaceport & a boneyard that's pretty easy to get close to, plus a super-rare Convair 990 at the gate.

If the WX isn't to close to minimums, Mt Wilson is pretty badass too, as you can see the entire basin from there.


Also, don't miss downtown Glendale.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3016 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2308 times:

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- Any sort of aviation museums/places of interests that are worth the visit?
- Definitely going to In N' Out near LAX this time around!

Yes. When you go to LAX, visit the Flight Path Museum---flightpath.us--they have a DC-3 you can go into and are right on the ramp. Not far from the runway. You can also visit Imperial Hill; you can see the whole airport from there.

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- What is the best beach to visit in the area? (I don't mind the crowds)

The further north you go, the nicer the beaches are. All of the close beaches to LA are zoos. Zuma beach is nice, but it can get *really* crowded. Matador beach is a favorite of mine.

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- I know this is a broad question, any recommendations on where to eat?

Way to many to list.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 4):
Mojave; it's pretty close by. They have the spaceport & a boneyard that's pretty easy to get close to, plus a super-rare Convair 990 at the gate.

Agreed. They also give field tours in a van (not sure about the days and timing, check online) that is very interesting. You get driven around the whole field and see all of the airplanes that are stored and getting scrapped.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 4):

Palmdale. Lots of interesting Aviation stuff all over the place, and a pretty nice drive up there too. When you're done that, drive up to Mojave; it's pretty close by. They have the spaceport & a boneyard that's pretty easy to get close to, plus a super-rare Convair 990 at the gate.

Near Palmdale is also a small museum in Lancaster at William J. Fox airfield. It has, of all things, an Armstrong Whitworth Argosy.


User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

I recommend you take a drive either up or down the Pacific Coast Highway (PCH). If it were me, I'd head south rather than north as the traffic gets a little dicey as you get closer to L.A. Newport and Huntington Beaches are probably the most easily accessible in Orange County. If you make it to Newport, I suggest you pay a visit to the Beach Ball Bar and have a cold one while sitting at one of the window-front seats and enjoying the view of the ocean and pier (http://www.beachballbar.com/).

Restaurant-wise, being that you're already in OC, I highly recommend a meal at Fisherman's Restaurant in San Clemente (http://www.thefishermansrestaurant.com/). Get there somewhat early (4ish) so you can score a good table to watch the sunset. The view, as is the food is amazing.

And finally, although it'd be a bit of a drive for you, a trip to the Ronald Regan Library would be something you won't regret. If only to see and tour the actual aircraft known as Air Force One to several Presidents including Mr. Regan. The plane is fully intact and is suspended in a hanger that over looks the Valley and the view is breath taking. Not only is the aircraft fully intact but it has all its original amenities and equipment and for that reason, for security purposes, a small portion of the plane is inaccessible to the general public. The library is located in Simi Valley and from Orange County, depending on where you are in the county and the time of day and day of week you're traveling, it could take you anywhere from an hour and 15 minutes to 3.5 hours to get there. That's not an embellishment - welcome to traffic in greater Los Angeles (https://www.reaganfoundation.org/sm.aspx?p=LM2001VI). If you want to stay local, the Richard Nixon Library is in Yorba Linda and is home to Army One, the helicopter that transported many Presidents, including Mr. Nixon (in the Nixon era, the Army not the Marines was responsible for providing helicopter transport for the President). I haven't toured the library but Army One is visible from the parking lot and you can get within 75 feet or so of the aircraft, free of charge. Just a drive by look-see is well worth the time.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 4):
Also, don't miss downtown Glendale.


Was that meant to be a joke?
Having lived next door to Glendale for many years, what is so special about downtown Glendale?

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 7):
If only to see and tour the actual aircraft known as Air Force One to several Presidents including Mr. Regan. The plane is fully intact and is suspended in a hanger that over looks the Valley and the view is breath taking.



That was also the site of the first GOP Presidential debate last year.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3016 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 7):
If you want to stay local, the Richard Nixon Library is in Yorba Linda and is home to Army One, the helicopter that transported many Presidents, including Mr. Nixon (in the Nixon era, the Army not the Marines was responsible for providing helicopter transport for the President). I haven't toured the library but Army One is visible from the parking lot and you can get within 75 feet or so of the aircraft, free of charge. Just a drive by look-see is well worth the time.

You can go into Army One. It's a nice exhibit. The rest of a museum is worth a visit, too, if you are already there.

I, however, prefer the Reagan library--going into Air Force One is fun and interesting, along with the rest of the place. Worth a visit.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting jetblue777 (Thread starter):
- What is the best beach to visit in the area? (I don't mind the crowds)
- Is Catalina Island worth the visit? If so, what is the cheapest way to get to the island?
- Recommended day tours outside the area? (We've done San Diego/Sea World)
- Any sort of aviation museums/places of interests that are worth the visit?
- Definitely going to In N' Out near LAX this time around!
- I know this is a broad question, any recommendations on where to eat?

1.) I would go to any of the Orange County beaches, if you'll be staying there anyway. Laguna is quite nice. Nice downtown area too, with good restaurants, and an aviation art store (though I've never been inside it).

2.) Absolutely. Take the ferry from Long Beach or San Pedro.

3.) Palmdale as someone mentioned. I believe Plant 42 has a museum. Edwards (another 20 miles or so) might have one as well.

There are also some vineyards and such out around Temecula, I think, if you're into that sort of thing. Never been there myself.

If you like hiking and/or the outdoors, I would try Topanga Canyon, or somewhere in the San Gabriels (though the upper elevations might have snow, so check beforehand where you can drive without snow chains). There are also mountains in Orange County (Cleveland National Forest, I think).

4.) I haven't read through the whole thread, but here you go (pretty much every moderate-sized airport in SoCal has an attached museum):

Planes of Fame at CNO: http://planesoffame.org/index.php?page=admission-hours-and-directions
Museum of Flying at SMO: http://museumofflying.com/
Western Museum of Flight at TOA: http://www.wmof.com/ (this is under renovations, I think, so check before going)
Joe Davies Airpark at PMD: http://www.cityofpalmdale.org/airpark/ (right next to Blackbird Airpark...don't have that website)
Air Force Flight Test Museum at EDW: http://www.afftcmuseum.org/
March Field Air Museum at RIV: http://www.marchfield.org/
Milestones of Flight at WJF: http://www.aviationmuseum.eu/World/N...er/Milestones_of_Flight_Museum.htm

....there are probably more, but I just got tired of looking.

5.) Yes.

6.) There's a good French (I think) restaurant in downtown Laguna that I've been to. There are good restaurants all over SoCal; very hard to answer such a broad question.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 5):
You can also visit Imperial Hill; you can see the whole airport from there.

Most of the south side, yes.  



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 10):

1.) I would go to any of the Orange County beaches, if you'll be staying there anyway. Laguna is quite nice. Nice downtown area too, with good restaurants, and an aviation art store (though I've never been inside it).

I have some time ago. I picked up an old copy of some aircraft recognition guide. They did have a binder full of Southern California area archival photos, like factory photos of Douglas aircraft on rollout and stuff like that, but I don't know if it's still in stock.


User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):


Was that meant to be a joke?
Having lived next door to Glendale for many years, what is so special about downtown Glendale?

Yes, of course, lol. Everyone knows the real action's in Arcadia & Monrovia.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 12):
Yes, of course, lol. Everyone knows the real action's in Arcadia & Monrovia.



Speeding over the dip on Palos Verdes Drive at Portuguese Bend is far more exciting.   



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! Fump!

All joking aside, I probably drive over that thing (as in go out of my way to do so) at least once a week. In fairness though, that's also because driving around that "little three sided island" is rapidly becoming a go-to kill-time for me. There's a reason it's the background on my FB page, lol.


I guess it's more fun in something other than a Sonata though.

Speaking of cars, there's a two-tone "turtle-back" Seville for sale at a gas station in San Pedro. I know you like the old cars; do those typically get sold on good shape these days, or are they mostly junked out by now?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 15, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! Fump!

All joking aside, I probably drive over that thing (as in go out of my way to do so) at least once a week.



It's free entertianment which is important when travelling with a family like in jetblue777's case.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):
There's a reason it's the background on my FB page, lol.


I'd like to see that.  
Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):
I guess it's more fun in something other than a Sonata though.


I first did it in a 1976 Mercury Cougar XR-7 and most recently my 1977 Lincoln Town Car.
Even in my mothers Lexus GS-sedan was a lot of fun.
In those old luxury boats with long hoods and hood ornament, the ground before you just disappears and then you drop as it points downward.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):
Speaking of cars, there's a two-tone "turtle-back" Seville for sale at a gas station in San Pedro. I know you like the old cars; do those typically get sold on good shape these days, or are they mostly junked out by now?



Those may go as high as $4000. They were the first front-drive Sevilles and had awful engines. The HT4100 all aluminum engine was trouble prone. Same for the gas to diesel converted engine, the 4/6/8 engine and the 4.3 V6 were all lemons. Only the first year (1980 model year) had the available 350cu" gas engine as an option.
My elementary school principle had one when they were new. I didn't like those cars then because he had one and he was mean.



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):

It's free entertianment which is important when travelling with a family like in jetblue777's case.

And good entertainment at that, what with all the scenic turn-outs along the way. I was out for a while tonight, & thought it awesome the way you could see out to the horizon (including all the ships & oil platforms) by moonlight alone. This is literally, probably the best place I've ever lived.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
In those old luxury boats with long hoods and hood ornament, the ground before you just disappears and then you drop as it points downward.

Lol, even in my car, that road totally disappears under-hood there. I about imploded the driver seat the 1st time I saw that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):


Those may go as high as $4000. They were the first front-drive Sevilles and had awful engines. The HT4100 all aluminum engine was trouble prone. Same for the gas to diesel converted engine, the 4/6/8 engine and the 4.3 V6 were all lemons. Only the first year (1980 model year) had the available 350cu" gas engine as an option.

Aluminum block, huh? Well never mind to all that then. Variable displacement is nice though. For some reason I always thought Cadillac started that up with their '84 Eldo.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
My elementary school principle had one when they were new. I didn't like those cars then because he had one and he was mean.

Lol. Funny how we don't like things for their associations sometimes. I have a used girlfriend that still doesn't eat onions (since I hated them at the time), from like ten years ago. But in fairness, I'm off regular sodas for the same reason, from the same girl, lol.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 15):
I'd like to see that.  

PM forthcoming...



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 14):
Weeeeeeeeeeeeee! Fump!

All joking aside, I probably drive over that thing (as in go out of my way to do so) at least once a week. In fairness though, that's also because driving around that "little three sided island" is rapidly becoming a go-to kill-time for me. There's a reason it's the background on my FB page, lol.

Hah. I've been driving around PV for fun for about 4 years now. Especially fun at night, especially going up PV Drive East from south to north.

But I love that mini-roller coaster at Portuguese Bend. Now that I live in Pedro, I've been driving the "long way" around PV to get to Redondo and such (it's actually not noticeably longer time-wise than going up Western and PCH, and much more scenic and fun....provided you don't get stuck behind someone going 30 on the one-lane stretches).



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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 17):
Now that I live in Pedro, I've been driving the "long way" around PV to get to Redondo and such (it's actually not noticeably longer time-wise than going up Western and PCH, and much more scenic and fun....provided you don't get stuck behind someone going 30 on the one-lane stretches).

You said it. I actually like going to or from work that way, and sometimes even take PCH all the way to LAX. I've noticed that insodoing, it's rarely appreciably longer than 110-405-105 anyway. Perhaps I'll feel different eventually, but for now, I really don't get tired of that view. Especially if I have something nice to put in the stereo.



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10350 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 18):
and sometimes even take PCH all the way to LAX.

When I lived in south Redondo, that's the ONLY way I would go to LAX. Took more time to drive over to the 405.

Coming back from LAX was a different story. If it was rush hour, that drive was unbearably annoying, especially through Manhattan. Too many lights and too much traffic. I'd either go down Aviation or the 405.

Then there was the one time, a few months ago, where I was driving back from LAX on PCH at 10 or 11 PM. Somehow, I managed not to hit a single red light on the whole 7-mile stretch. Even when I got to Torrance Blvd., where I had to make a left, somehow I managed to hit a green left-turn signal. I counted after I got home, and it was something like 26 traffic lights that I had to go through.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 7):
Beach Ball

the fucking beach ball??

the sign on the door says closed 2am-6am and that will tell you what type of people are inside.


User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 4):
Also, don't miss downtown Glendale.

But if you do, keep an eye out for runaway camels!
http://www.cnn.com/video/?utm_source...1/25/dnt-camel-escapes-circus.kcal

Quoting mad99 (Reply 20):
the fucking beach ball??

the sign on the door says closed 2am-6am and that will tell you what type of people are inside.

Whoa, ease up there pal. Is there something wrong with a bar opening at 6am? For those of us who work midnights (you know, lowlifes like cops, firemen, EMTs, 9-1-1 operators, nurses, doctors, etc... ), it's nice having a place open when we get off work if we want to blow the froth off a couple and unwind.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
Having lived next door to Glendale for many years, what is so special about downtown Glendale?

Since they're coming over during Christmas week, this is a nice place to hang out with family and friends and do some shopping.....

http://www.americanaatbrand.com/

Some good dining along Brand and Maryland.....and more shopping across Central Ave at Galleria. Nothing one can't find in the Big Apple, but there may still be plenty of bargains left if you missed Black Friday and Cyber Monday.



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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Speaking of Army One, a good read is a book written by a retired pilot of the airship titled, "Inside The President's Helicopter". Some great stories in there.

User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1413 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 21):
or those of us who work midnights (you know, lowlifes like cops, firemen, EMTs, 9-1-1 operators, nurses, doctors, etc... ),

And most people of a.net, lol. At an old Airport Job, we used to go drinking at a place after work called "the 4th shift", which catered to just this kind of crowd...



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User currently offlineitsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (2 years 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 24):
And most people of a.net, lol. At an old Airport Job, we used to go drinking at a place after work called "the 4th shift", which catered to just this kind of crowd...

The list of reputable professions that work 24/7 and whose membership may enjoy a cold one at 6 in the morning is endless. For someone to make a disparaging remark about a bar just because it opens at 6a.m. is ludicrous.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 26, posted (2 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 22):
Since they're coming over during Christmas week, this is a nice place to hang out with family and friends and do some shopping.....

http://www.americanaatbrand.com/

Some good dining along Brand and Maryland.....and more shopping across Central Ave at Galleria. Nothing one can't find in the Big Apple, but there may still be plenty of bargains left if you missed Black Friday and Cyber Monday.

True but there are plenty of malls in Orange county where he stays that has the same thing.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 616 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (2 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting itsjustme (Reply 25):
6a.m. is ludicrous.

i haven't been to the beach ball in twenty years so maybe its changed?

the place was closed for 4 hours a day and most of the people inside would have to leave and sleep under the pier.

I just found it funny that of all the places to drink in socal the beach ball was mentioned!


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