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10 Worst Cars Of All Time (A Survey)  
User currently offlineGeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

Since everyone seems to enjoy discussing their "favorite" car, their "best ever" car, here's about 1,500 people who are discussing their "worst ever" car, all of which is in reply to an article written to "reveal" the "10 worst cars of all time" (or something like that)

I have spent the last two hours reading the replies, and it's a fantastic combination of, "funny", "sad", "ridiculous", (and a few more adjectives !) ( but worth every minute of the time spent !) In fact, I'm still only up to about 300 (or so), so I'm going back to laugh some more.

It points something else out too; namely that this isn't the only place where people don't always agree with each other.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11381...ars-of-all-time.html#disqus_thread

The auto writers who conducted the so-called "survey" to "identify" the "10 worst cars of all time" contend that the over-all "worst ever" car is the Pontiac Aztec; needless to say, this has not set so well with many current and former Aztec owners.

It will be fun to hear what our resident car experts say about all of these peoples opinions. ( Hope you enjoy it as much as I have)

Charley

P.S. Now if I can just get the damned link to work...........


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User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10324 times:

The Aztek was an eyesore, there's no doubt about that. But the worst car ever? Please. Pontiac died because it offered nothing substantially worthwhile that couldn't be gotten in another GM product, minus the G8 of course.

As for my vote... Pinto. The car that can't.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10308 times:

Let's see: (in no particular order)

Pontiac Aztek
Chrysler Sebring
Dodge Caliber
GM cars with the Olds diesel engine
Cadillac Cimarron
Cadillac Allante
Ford Edsel
Ford Mustang II
AMC Pacer
Chrysler TC
Pretty much anything ever made by British Leyland
Aston Martin Lagonda (cool looking, but flawed)
Renault LeCar
Yugo
A lot of Chinese made cars (those crash test videos are terrifying)



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 11929 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10293 times:

Not an expert by any means, but my parents did get some of these cars.

They bought a Vega brand new in 1974. Since I was a youngster at the time I thought it was pretty cool, but even still its shortcomings were obvious to me. It was underpowered, and had an aluminum block that the owner's manual warned you that could overheat with as little as five minutes of idling. It also 'pinged' no matter what kind of gas we used. It was already rusting within 2 years, until its stay with us ended after a tree branch fell on its roof. My dad got the insurance money but still drove it with a plastic bag as the rear windshield for a few months till even he admitted defeat.

The parents also owned a mid-70s Pinto (which didn't make the list but should have) and my Dad bought a late 70's Mustang II, which did made the list.

If I was making the list, I'd limit it to cars that were mechanical failures and not include cars whose main flaw was how ugly they were.

My first boss at my first hourly job (after the paper route) owned a mid 70s AMC Pacer, which was cool as Wayne and Garth's Mirth Mobile, but was butt-ugly otherwise.

From what I'm told the Aztec is OK mechanically, but yeah, it's butt-ugly.



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2031 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10273 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Let's see: (in no particular order)

Nice list, but where are the Pinto's, Vega's, and ALL of the GM X cars? Oh, and let's not forget, the newest members of the list, the Smart line up and the Fiat 500. Man, are those bad.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10262 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Yugo

There was a guy in my neighborhood whose first car was a Yugo. The funny thing was he had a stereo system in it that was worth more than the car was so he had a car alarm on it.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Pretty much anything ever made by British Leyland

Very true. They designed some good vehicles, but that's where it ended. When it came time to build them, that's when it went all pear-shaped. I'll let Jeremy Clarkson sum it up with one single car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJty_Rdp1U

The entire episode is quite interesting and you see some similarities to the troubles in the US auto industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc7CtwKVuZ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=gnL3msYD_9M


User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10255 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Chrysler Sebring
Dodge Caliber

Perfect examples of the "that'll do" mentality that existed in Detroit for so long.

I'd also like to throw in a vote for about half of Nissan's current lineup, especially the Cube and new "Pathfinder" (admittedly that's only opinion though).



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 4):
Smart line up and the Fiat 500

For the market and use they are made for they are both pretty good and reliable cars. Their styling is only considered weird in the US.


User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2851 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10254 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Yugo

The best way to make a Yugo go was to hook it to a tow truck.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
The parents also owned a mid-70s Pinto (which didn't make the list but should have

There were some conspiracy theorist that thought the Murrah Building bombing was actually caused by a Pinto backing out of a parking space hitting the side of a Chevrolet CK pick-up.

You have left the Chevrolet Vega out of the list so far, what a mess that was.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
GM cars with the Olds diesel engine

Rudolf Diesel is still laying in his grave laughing at that attempt to make a gasoline engine a diesel.
For all intents and purpose GM set the concept of a US built diesel automobile back 50 years or more.

Okie


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10227 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 4):
Nice list, but where are the Pinto's, Vega's, and ALL of the GM X cars?

The Pinto was a bad car, but it's reputation is even worse than it actually was. As far as the Vega and X platform go, you could probably make a "worst car" case for most of the compact cars designed in the US from the 1970s and 1980s. Even into the 1990s there was a lot of crap.

The Chevy Aveo probably belongs on the list too.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 4):
Oh, and let's not forget, the newest members of the list, the Smart line up and the Fiat 500.

They aren't really that bad, they just don't appeal to mainstream American tastes. The Smart is kind of overpriced too, although for the price of either I'd just as soon buy a used Mustang and a bunch of gasoline. I'd take a spin in a 500 Abarth though.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 6):
Perfect examples of the "that'll do" mentality that existed in Detroit for so long.

I'm not convinced it isn't gone yet. After all, we do still have the Chrysler 200 and Cadillac XTS. Seriously, Cadillac came out with another interim model to replace their last interim model.

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 6):
I'd also like to throw in a vote for about half of Nissan's current lineup, especially the Cube and new "Pathfinder" (admittedly that's only opinion though).

It's like Nissan is trying too hard to be quirky and overtly Japanese. The little Japanese car is not awful for a model or two, but you cannot have an appealing lineup with that formula. Especially when Japanese cars in the US are largely bought by people who buy cars like they are appliances.

Quoting lewis (Reply 7):
Their styling is only considered weird in the US.

I doubt many people over here even realize that the Fiat 500 is a retro design, since the original was never sold here. That alone puts it at a disadvantage compared to the Mini and New Beetle, although those are both more upmarket cars.

Quoting okie (Reply 8):
For all intents and purpose GM set the concept of a US built diesel automobile back 50 years or more.

That's very true. My grandfather was a brakes engineer for many years and he went to his grave believing automotive ideas that had long since ceased to be true. He thought British cars were all unreliable and diesel engines were awful. One misstep and perception is hard to change.



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User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12879 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10206 times:

An interesting list and pretty much spot on as to cars sold in the USA.

Another 'worst' car(s) the 1976-1981 Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare. I had a 1978 Dodge Aspen that was 1 year old when I got it and it was a total dog. Awful carburetors. Engine hoods that could pop open (happened to me at 50 MPH), weak front suspensions, all kinds little problems that nagged your wallet and patience. They also had fenders that rusted out in a few years prompting a recall.

Other 'worst' cars in term of bad design, bad engineering, rust/corrosion, ugly, bad workmanship:
Any and all Fiats sold in the USA until the 1980's.
Any and all Renault or designed models made in the USA (Alliance/Encore based on the 9, the 11, and others)
A number of early Japanese (pre early 1970's) and Korean models (Hyundai to the mid-1990's, KIA until about 2000) in the USA; The worst was the about 1967-68 Subaru 360, one of the only cars ever condemned by Consumer Reports, a car like the size of the BMW Isetta with a 360 cc engine, brakes that fell apart and way too small. Still all those brands got past their bad starts and are successful today.


User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10183 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
I'd take a spin in a 500 Abarth though.

Have driven it when I was back in Europe. It is pretty impressive for a small car, a lot more than you would expect.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
I doubt many people over here even realize that the Fiat 500 is a retro design

True. I personally prefer it to the Mini as Fiat has done a very good job modernizing the design while keeping it as close as possible to the original lines.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 11):
Have driven it when I was back in Europe. It is pretty impressive for a small car, a lot more than you would expect.

I'm sure it is, but I'm not sure I'd buy one. It's only about $1400 cheaper than a V6 Camaro, $3000 cheaper than a Scion FR-S, $1700 less than a Focus ST and $2000 cheaper than a GTI. All of those are more car than a 500, and that's before you consider used cars.

Quoting lewis (Reply 11):
I personally prefer it to the Mini as Fiat has done a very good job modernizing the design while keeping it as close as possible to the original lines.

The only style problem I have with the 500 is that the wheels are too small and cause it to resemble a golf cart. It needs bigger wheel wells and then fill those up to get a better, more muscular look. Just because it is a city car doesn't mean I want it to look like a city car.



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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3592 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10161 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):

I'm sure it is, but I'm not sure I'd buy one. It's only about $1400 cheaper than a V6 Camaro, $3000 cheaper than a Scion FR-S, $1700 less than a Focus ST and $2000 cheaper than a GTI. All of those are more car than a 500, and that's before you consider used cars.

Cars like the 500 Abarth don't make much sense in the US. In Europe, a fast and bigger car with all the taxation that goes on big engines will easily cost almost double what the 500 does. Hot hatches and small "tuned" cars with smaller engines (below 2lt) are the fun cars that most Europeans can afford to buy and run with all the taxes and the fuel prices. I agree, in the US there is no reason to buy a car such as the Abarth, unless you really like the design or the small car/performance combo.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting lewis (Reply 13):
Hot hatches and small "tuned" cars with smaller engines (below 2lt) are the fun cars that most Europeans can afford to buy and run with all the taxes and the fuel prices.

Yeah, leave it to Euronannies to ruin the fun. The price of a Camaro in the UK is eye watering. It costs about $20,000 more than a similar US model.

Quoting lewis (Reply 13):
I agree, in the US there is no reason to buy a car such as the Abarth, unless you really like the design or the small car/performance combo.

For my money I'd just look for a Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S and tune the hell out of it. Or find a nice used Porsche or M3.



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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2347 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10155 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
The Chevy Aveo probably belongs on the list too.

Used to be a Daewoo that why - Kalas it was called (in Britain anyway).

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
It's like Nissan is trying too hard to be quirky and overtly Japanese

I agree on the styling, the only one I can marginally accept is the X-Terra - and of course the gorgeous GT (not fussed on the 370Z). However, they are boringly reliable and Nissan's fortunes have turned around incredibly in the last few years under their new Brazilian CEO and you can not deny such success would not be possible unless the products were quality enough - this is not the 1970's anymore when the BL stuff sold.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Pretty much anything ever made by British Leyland

   The Allegro, Maxi, Princess, Ambassador, Marina, Ital, Maestro & Montego were all dire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UJfbunHVuc



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10148 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 10):
Another 'worst' car(s) the 1976-1981 Dodge Aspen/Plymouth Volare.

Which was replaced by something even worse: The "K" cars. The Dodge Aries, Plymouth Reliant, Dodge 400 and Chrysler LeBaron. They were cheaply made with plastic interiors and body panels which did not align properly. Also the engines were very noisy and had a bad reputation for head gasket and timing belt failures. I used to work for a Chrysler/Plymouth dealership and I could tell you first hand these cars were pieces of junk.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 15):
Used to be a Daewoo that why

True, but some of GM's domestic efforts weren't much better.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 15):
and of course the gorgeous GT (not fussed on the 370Z).

The GTR is a bit too portly for me. In real life, it is not a small car at all and I'd frankly rather have a 911 or, even better, one of those new SRT Vipers. But that's just personal preference. The Z looked alright initially, despite being a bit bulbous but later iterations have become more muscular on the plus side, but the gains are outweighed by increasingly busy designs. The Nissan boomerang light thing just doesn't work for me.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 15):
However, they are boringly reliable and Nissan's fortunes have turned around incredibly in the last few years under their new Brazilian CEO and you can not deny such success would not be possible unless the products were quality enough

They are, but I don't see why Nissan feels the need to try and offset the dullness of their products with styling. It's okay for your conventional normal car to have conventional normal looks. For most customers that is exactly what they are looking for. You don't need your midsize family sedan to be edgy, it's just weird and disjointed.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 15):
Ambassador

I believe these are still being produced in India. At least they were as of a few years ago.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11124 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):
the over-all "worst ever" car is the Pontiac Aztec

I have never owned an Aztek or even driven one, but I think they are cute. I don't understand the hatred of the Aztek. I am not fond of the HHR but I don't hate it like how people hate the Aztek. The new Fiat comes close, though...

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
Yugo
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Yugo
Quoting okie (Reply 8):
Yugo

I drove a Yugo once. Never again.

I have a book of the worst cars ever. One thing about the Yugos said something about "When civil war broke out in Serbia, the people had the good sense to burn down the Yugo factory first."

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):
The Smart is kind of overpriced too

I have seen them here for $99 down and $99 a month, so.... no. They are not for road trips with the family. Which I love.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5402 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Quoting bohica (Reply 16):

But, a lot of people fell for their charms and bought them up like In and Out Burgers. They were a slight step up from the Mopar turkeys of the 70's. And lest we forget the God Awful Omni/Horizon Twins, Fugly and problem laden.
Don't forget most if not all US cars from 1972 through the mid to late 70's (pre-downsizing) were saddled with all the myriad of environmental pollution controls. Look under the hood of almost any US car from 1972 through 1975 and it looks like a spaghetti maze with all the controls. While (in the case of the big three large cars) remained bloated but the performance tanked and gas mileage went into the toilet.

I had a 1974 Mustang II Ghia Coupe. The inside looked like a mini continental interior but, even the V6 was underpowered and gas mileage for it's size was less than impressive. And then when they shoehorned the V8 under it's hood that presented problems. Sadly the Mustang II was based on the Pinto. This car had the alternator from hell...kept crapping out.
My dad swore off of Ford products the rest of his life because of the fun with this car. I wish I'd known how to fluidly drive a stick back then. The Pinto and Mustang II were really cars mated for manual transmissions. This was the height of the myriad of pollution controls and even the V6 with Automatic and A/C was a turtle off the block.

The Blue Oval wasn't the only carmaker to spin off "small cars" off their economy line. The General dressed up the Vega Chassis and spun off the not bad looking but mediocre at best Monza and the other divisions had their versions.

Also, the General took the ancient Nova platform and gussied them up with the Buick Apollo, Olds Omega, Pontiac Ventura and yes the Caddy Seville. However, I must give GM/Caddillac credit for really distinguishing the first generation rear driver Seville. I got to ride in them and drive them and for mid to late 70's American Autos they drove and felt even better than the hippo sized DeVilles. The only way you knew it's heritage was Nova was the same hood design. But 99% of Seville drivers didn't catch that one.

Also in mediocre to drek cars were the Ford Granada and Fairmont which were up marketed and spun off into such marques as the Lincoln Versailles. Not a bad looking car but the first few model years it looked too much like a 4 door Granada.

Some others:

In No order
Ford LTD II 1977-1979
(At least the T-Bird spun from them were distinct) At first I hated their design but, as I get older am liking their looks. However, if you went with the base Bird from that era it still felt, rode and drove like the lower end LTD II's. Sluggish lack of feel steering, space shuttle power brakes that hurled you forward and seats that were a torture chamber on wheels if you had to drive or ride for more than an hour or 2.

AMC Gremlin, AMC HOrnet, AMC Concord DL-Retro for all the wrong reasons (a turd to drive) Air Conditioning that was weak and wimpy like it was designed in 1962. AMC Pacer

1979-1993 Mustang, A Fairmont made into a pony car   
Pontiac Aztec
REnault Le Car
Renault, Fuego,Alliance
Breezeway Mercurys, Out of proportion wierd looking hippos, However, the 1958-1960 Continental Breezeway Convertibles
are quirky but I appreciate their design as I get older.

Most of the Mercury line from 1958 through 1960, the dark ages of auto styling.

The Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Chrysler "Forward Look Cars" from 1957 thru 1959. Cool looking even by today's standards but, they were in such demand that build and quality took a nosedive for Mopar who never seemed to get their act together in regard to quality and finish. My dad had a Plymouth Suburban 1957 Forward Look wagon that whenever it rained and in Maryland we get a lot of rain was a pain in the ass to start. I was little but, I remember my dad having to spray silicon on the contacts to get the finned Manatee to start. These cars also had a lot of leaking and rust problems.

I'm glad the Corvair did not make the lists at least not here; Ralf Nadir unfairly made that car the center of his crusade. Actually, it was a pretty good car for most.

The unhappy marriage of Daimler with Chrysler: The Mercedes of that era were plagued with poor build, quality and even handeling. Uncharacteristic of MB. Many of the Benz of that ilk were Chrysler technology which was a step down for Mercedes.

Jaguars were nice looking but, in many cases were nightmares when it came to reliability.

Though not a car but, the Grummand Flxible transit busses of the early through late 70's had that uncanny characteristic to break down at the same time. And their air conditioning systems were plagued with problems.

Also the last transit bus GM made originally with fixed windows were known for their Air Conditioning to do an "Anna Nicole" on the hottest days. There were cases where drivers broke out the windshields to get some air!

And of course it was laughable that Detroit's answer to the Japanese fuel thrifty good quality cars were the Pinto, Vega, and Gremlin back in the 70's.   

Fiats back in the day became so bad they were known as Fix It Again Tony! And thus left the American market till
recently.

Design and looks wise such Nissan abortions as the Cube, RWD/AWD Pathfinder that looked like a 1950's Rambler wagon.

Suzuki: They were mediocre at best and gave up at least for now on the US market. No great loss.
Also Mitsubishi which used to be one of the prime Japanese imports have lost face here in the USA. For example each successive generation of the Eclipse has taken a nosedive in reliability.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10065 times:

Quoting Geezer (Thread starter):

"Worst" in terms of reliability or looks?
Of the cars I've owned, the most unreliable car was one of the best looking cars. I used to own a 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible. It was beautiful. Red with charcoal grey Corinthian leather seats, high-gloss simulated walnut grain wood applique, fully digital electronic instrument panel with verbal alert system. Black convertible top with glass rear window with defrost, concealed headlights and vertical chrome grille.
The problem was that the little 2.2 liter turbocharge 4-cylinder engine was under-powered for such a heavy car.
All of the fancy gadgets were very reliable. The problem was with the powertrain and other mechanical issues. Everything that could possibly go wrong went wrong with that car. I had to replace the heads, transmission (twice), water pump, alternator, fuel pump, radiator, spindle, main axle, and the entire front frame (busted for turning a corner too fast).

Other than that, it was a good looking car and I was able to pull a lot of babes with that car......

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User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1251 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

These lists are sort of silly, and though they often include some famous bombs, they rarely actually touch on the worst cars ever made, nor does any car made in America in the last 20 years really come close to that, certainly not the Pontiac Aztek. Most of these "worst cars" lists are made by a beat writer being paid very little who really doesn't know much about the subject. It's easy to poke at a car like the Aztek or the Cimmaron, because they honestly weren't very good, or were sort of silly, but worst cars ever? No.

You wanna hear about some bad cars? Well gather 'round, it's story time.

I'm not going to rank these, just describe some of the issues. It's fair to say that the American market is very demanding, and some of the world's worst cars were never sold here, nor would they have even gotten close.

Lancia Gamma. This 1970s flagship was meant to replace the Flaminia and the Flavia, and top Lancia's range in the new era of Fiat ownership. Lancia had built very high quality cars until 1969, but often at a loss, since they had no economy of scale and were turning out cars in a sort of semi-artisan way that they always had. The Gamma and Beta were supposed to bring Fiat's economies of scale to bear on Lancia's great designs and good execution. In reality, what happened was Fiat's dulling influence and a series of calamities, the most serious of which had to do with the Gamma's engine.

The Gamma was designed to be a luxury car, but Fiat already had a BMW Bavaria-style car with a powerful V6, the Fiat 130, and a big family car with a four, the 132. So the gamma was designed with a really big flat four, just like the Flavia had been, but the Flavia's engine was smaller (and alot better...). Similarly, an aborted merger with Citroen had seen the sedan get a fastback, like the Citroen CX would later have. The gamma's flat four handicapped it in the market from day one - as did the styling. It simply wasn't taken seriously against the BMW, Opel, Mercedes, and even Citroen and Rover competition. But worse was yet to come.

The Gamma's cambelt also drove the power steering pump, and if the steering was turned to full lock when the car was cold, the belt could jump, resulting in a nasty collision of valves and pistons that would put your brand new luxury ride in the shop for weeks, with a substantial bill. Eventually, this was fixed, but not before word got out. Even the addition of a very pretty Pininfarina Coupe and the rust and quality failings of the smaller Beta could not save the Gamma from being remembered as Lancia's most dyfunctional product.

Standard Gazel. What's a Standard Gazel? Our Indian friends know. It was a license-built copy of the Triumph Herald made in India from the 1960s until 1978. It had all the flaws of the Herald - though it did have the crazy camber of the real wheels tamed by using a different rear suspention, shakes and rattles galore, virtually no rust resistance, and to boot it was heavier and slower. At some point, the Gazel was turned into a four-door car and even a four-door wagon - the Triumph Herald was only a two-door, resulting in a very, very, very cramped little car with tiny doors. In 1980, India's car market was dominated by long obsolete European designs produced locally like the Premier Padmini (1964 Fiat 1100) and Hindustan Ambassador (1956 Morris Oxford). This car could not even compete very well in that market.

Zaporozhets 968. First off, totally unrelated to the Porsche 968.   The little Zapo was a Russian microcar originally in the mold of the Fiat 600, but this later model was inspired by the Chevrolet Corvair, at least in terms of how it looked. It was slow, unreliable, and deadly in a high speed crash, although you probably would have to be hit by something else moving at high speed because these little cars needed a tailwind to hit 55 mph. Later models had some safety improvements, but this very basic car was not even close to as good as the west's version of a very basic car, the Citroen 2CV.

Moskvitch/Izh 412. Another Russian superstar, this 1960s design was aging even when it was new, and it wasn't very good then. Poor to drive, poorly made, devoid of any creature comforts or features you might want, it's sole merits were that it was fairly hardy in winter and the waiting list wasn't that long. Today best remembered for the antics of U.K. racer Tony Lanfranchi, who raced one in a series who's parameters were set by price. It was one of the cheapest cars you could buy in the U.K. (yes, they did export them), and for its price it was reasonably powerful (when pitched against cars like the Fiat 127 and Honda Civic).

Vanden Plas Allegro. A plush version of British Leyland's Austin Allegro, this pricey turd replaced the rather nice Vanden Plas 1300, even though all pretension of these being real luxury cars was basically just a visit to the land of make believe. Poor dynamics, poor quality, odd styling, and terminal rust brought many an Allegro to a not-entirely-undeserved early grave.

The Copper Chevy. It's a little unfair to put this car in this company, because it came out in 1922, and back then automobiles were still developing. Knight Sleeve-valve engined cars would be available for another 18 years back then, and that's a technology that is today all but forgotten. The Copper Chevy didn't have a Knight engine, rather it had an air-cooled engine with some copper internal components, which were supposed to dissipate heat. The engine was designed by Charles Kettering, who also invented the electric self starter - not exactly a lightweight. But sadly, it didn't work, and very early on the cars started cooking their engines. Chevrolet recalled every single one it could find, and only two complete cars survive today. The experiment was a disaster for Chevrolet, though they recovered quickly in the boom times of the 1920s.

As I said, it's a little unfair to lump this car in with really bad modern cars, because technologies were still developing then, and metallurgy wasn't what it is today. In 1923, front-wheel brakes were considered radical.

Alfa-Romeo Arna. Nowadays, when the Dodge Dart shares components with the Alfa-Romeo Giulietta, things are pretty good with merged DNA like this. In 1983, however somebody had the brilliant idea of putting Alfa-Romeo mechanical pieces into the shell of a Nissan Cherry. The resulting car was pretty much the worst of all possible worlds - dull, boring, rusty, and unreliable. The Arna was replaced by the 33, which still had all kinds of quality problems, but at least it was all Alfa.

Renault 14. Of all these cars, this is the one I like the most, and it feels bad to bash it, but it was not a good car. It's a very strange machine, aimed at the VW Golf and cars like it, but oddly avant garde in a very 1970s kind of way. An early ad campaign likened its shape to that of a Pear, and as you can guess, things started to go Pear-shaped pretty quickly for this little car. It quickly gained a reputation for being rusty, unreliable, and sometimes hard to start and possessing an electrical system possessed by demons. Nor was it by any means a fast car or the most efficient car around. It was just very unusual, and even disco-era French car buyers had limits.

The Monza cars. What if you could have a small car like a Vega, but with real power? How cool would that be? what if it looked exotic? In the late 1970s, GM felt that meant a Vega with a V8 engine, or at least a big V6, and styling that resembles the Ferrari 365 GTC/4. GM recycled most of the Vega running gear into four quite attractive cars - the Chevy Monza, Pontiac Sunbird, Oldsmobile Starfire, and Buick Skyhawk. The H-body cars were quite possibly the worst cars GM ever made - and because they looked so great, there were tons of them piling up in scrapyards in the 1980s as they gradually fell apart. The Vega chassis wasn't designed for the 305 V8, so cars like the Monza Spyder, which promised alot of performance with all that style, usually had vibration problems and all sorts of driveline issues. The manual transmission cars had tons of problems, and all of these cars were plagued by spectacularly poor quality. Interestingly enough, the plants where these cars were made were later reformed into some of GM's best plants, but that was far in the future back then. Today, these cars are mainly preserved by drag racers - who find the small platform very useful. But as regular transportation, they were very bad indeed.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):

I believe these are still being produced in India. At least they were as of a few years ago.

He's not referring to the Hindustan Ambassador, but to the Austin Ambassador, part of the "Princess" line of British Leyland mid-sized (1800/2200) cars, introduced in 1975 (though the Ambassador was part of the final revision of this line, introduced in 1982).

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 9):

I doubt many people over here even realize that the Fiat 500 is a retro design, since the original was never sold here.

Actually it was, from 1957 to 1962. And it's larger sibling, the 600, was sold here from 1955 to 1967.

[Edited 2012-11-27 23:27:27]

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10041 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Pretty much anything ever made by British Leyland

Not true, Jaguar XJ-6 was a fine car, as were the Triumph 2500, Dolomite Sprint, Stag (once the engine malidies were sorted), Mini, Rover SD1, and the original Range Rover.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 4):
the Fiat 500. Man, are those bad

The 500 is an excellent car and a smash hit for Fiat, they can't build them fast enough

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 2):
Aston Martin Lagonda (cool looking, but flawed)

The only real problem with them was the way to advanced for a small British car company electgrics, once they sorted them the car was fine, now they are worth a bit of dosh and very hard to find.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 19):
REnault Le Car

Yup it was a turd, but Renault managed to sell 5.5 million of them

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
It needs bigger wheel wells and then fill those up to get a better, more muscular look.

Then you need to buy the Abarth version, problem solved.



User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15476 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10028 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
I have a book of the worst cars ever. One thing about the Yugos said something about "When civil war broke out in Serbia, the people had the good sense to burn down the Yugo factory first."

Actually I'm pretty sure we bombed it during the 1990s.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
I have seen them here for $99 down and $99 a month, so.... no.

That's a lot for what it is. You'd be better off buying a slightly used normal compact for that price.

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 21):
He's not referring to the Hindustan Ambassador, but to the Austin Ambassador, part of the "Princess" line of British Leyland mid-sized (1800/2200) cars

You're right. Hindustan knocked off a different bad British car to make the Ambassador. The Morris model was eventually replaced by the Morris Marina. Suffice to say, the Indians got the better end of that deal.

And while on the subject of bad British cars that were made into worse models elsewhere long after they should have been scrapped, I think I should nominate the Paykan. When the world was screaming for more Hillman Hunters, the Iranians stepped up to the plate.

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 21):
Actually it was, from 1957 to 1962. And it's larger sibling, the 600, was sold here from 1955 to 1967.

I never knew that. Shows how much market penetration they managed.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
Not true, Jaguar XJ-6 was a fine car, as were the Triumph 2500, Dolomite Sprint, Stag (once the engine malidies were sorted), Mini, Rover SD1, and the original Range Rover.

There were some winners in there, but BL's batting average is overall rather poor. Granted, American car companies weren't doing much better at the time. The SD1 wasn't so hot though, especially the uglier, 135 horse V8 American version. And it's hard to say how much credit BL should get for the Mini.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
The only real problem with them was the way to advanced for a small British car company electgrics, once they sorted them the car was fine, now they are worth a bit of dosh and very hard to find.

I saw a story a few days ago about one that was trashed by Sandy. My first thought, and about 3/4 of the comments, was that now they can finally do the thing the right way.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
Then you need to buy the Abarth version, problem solved.

Even on the Abarth the wheels are proportionately too small. The whole wheel and tire package needs to be larger, or alternatively, chop the top to make the proportions look better to me. Granted, it's not really Fiat's fault. Most city cars do have that too-tall, golf cart like look to them.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10024 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 22):
Yup it was a turd, but Renault managed to sell 5.5 million of them

Sounds like The Backstreet Boys.  



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25 Cargolex : In 1956, the Morris Oxford was actually a fairly decent, if very conventionally British, car. It was not exactly in it's first flush of youth, but it
26 Superfly : I disagree with these entries. Those are all good cars. Agreed. What is up with Lincoln with their new line of alphabet soup cars? The MKS as a Town
27 KiwiRob : Again another car that sold in the millions yet it's reputation was trashed by Top Gear, you gotta stop basing you opinions on what Clarkson has to s
28 flanker : Honestly, IMO anything made by Detroit in the 90s and early/mid 2000's. I would take a Yugo, Moskvich, or a Lada over that crap any day. Aztec, grand
29 Geezer : Damn ! I KNEW I'd have to go to bat for my "Cubie"! Guess what.... we LOVE that little bugger more every day; just drove it up to Chicago area for th
30 BMI727 : There was an article I saw a few weeks ago about Nissan's collection and some of their cars from the era would quite easily pass as American. If my a
31 Post contains images KiwiRob : I'm pretty confident that prior to Top Gear you had never heard of the Marina let alone seen one. IMO there is no such thing as a bad car especially
32 type-rated : In college I had a Corvair Corsa, the high performance version of the Corvair complete with turbocharger. Very reliable car as long as you kept the ca
33 na : In the 80s my brother had a Citroen Visa. After 6 years and much less than 100.000 kms it was such problem-ridden rustbucket with holes everywhere, ev
34 KiwiRob : It's not the Lada Nova, no such thing, you problably mean Lada Niva which was a small 4x4 or the Fiat 124 based Lada Riva which they made about 17 mi
35 mad99 : that's a r5 here in europe and i owned 2, both second hand. Both were vary good cars, simple and cheep to run. Also, i got to drive the turbo version
36 KiwiRob : Turbo I or Turbo II.
37 mad99 : i'm not sure but i'd say the 2 if i remember it had about 210hp
38 na : No, I mean the Lada Nova. At least thats the name it was sold under here. Somewhere else it was named Riva, thats true.
39 Post contains images offloaded : ... ah, childhood memories! We had a Maxi 1750cc, and I seem to recall it was really fast. So was my cousin's 2L Maestro. My neighbour in Portugal ac
40 Post contains images sw733 : It was good enough for Walter White
41 rfields5421 : The problem with the Aztek is that up until that time - Pontiac made some cool niche automobiles. The Aztek was not cool and the amount of money pour
42 Bongodog1964 : You've forgotten the TR7, especially the convertible which had a nasty habit of folding up in the middle. Probably the one car available in the UK in
43 Post contains images PHLBOS : It's worth noting that the Buick Rendezvous (one of the first CUVs on the market) utilized the same exact platform as the Aztec and had respectable s
44 na : To single out this really nicely driving car isnt quite right (I had one, although a sports version, back in the 80s). There were many cars in the 70
45 Cargolex : The very concept of the Cimmaron was really doomed to failure. But exacerbating the situation was the last-minute nature of the decision to go ahead
46 BMI727 : I had actually, thanks to a combination of boredom and internet access, but never paid any attention to it since it was just another crummy seventies
47 dtw9 : The K-cars and the Chrysler minivans were both conceived at Ford Motor Co at the time Lee Iacocca was President. The minivan concept was known as the
48 Bongodog1964 : In my experience it rusted even faster than a Dagenham dustbin (The UK Ford assembly plant in the 70's was at Dagenham, thus all Fords were known as
49 MrChips : There are a lot of vehicles mentioned here that don't really deserve to be on the list; just because it looks weird or is bad by today's standards doe
50 BMI727 : I don't see much positive about that car. It is a Malibu, so the bar isn't very high, but still. Hopefully the Fiat/Alfa DNA will make Chrysler compe
51 PITingres : Seriously? we're up to 50 replies and nobody has mentioned the Trabant? I'd agree with the Yugo, Pinto, Vega, Aspen / Volare. I'd add the 1969 Dart/Va
52 Post contains images zippyjet : I checked out the history of the Edsel and, Ford made a big adoo saying it was futuristic and a major change. It was sort of a case of the emperor an
53 Post contains images YVRLTN : Compared to a shopping trolley maybe I vaguely remember my dad had one as a courtesy car and was comparing the gearbox to a spoon in a bowl of porrid
54 Superfly : The MKS was the true Continental replacement. The Continental has been a Taurus-based, front-drive car every since the 1988 model year. This is not a
55 Max Q : My Pos 2009 Camry SE. The worst car Toyota has ever made
56 Dano1977 : There is nothing wrong with a Yugo.... When I was 14, my parents acquired a Yugo for me to drive around the horse paddock (no horses were harmed). It
57 PHLBOS : There was a tid-bit in an old Collectible Automobile magazine article that covered 50s cars that mentioned it. It may have been an in-house rumor/pro
58 ER757 : There were some true turkeys named above - Vega, Pinto, Yugo, the K-cars and others - all deserve to be on the list, but I am reminded of a friend of
59 BMI727 : It's not like the gas pedal was going to do anything anyway. My mom's 1992 Caprice has a similar issue. Even if things don't break, every time you ac
60 Geezer : It was not really a bad car - just not a great one, and poorly timed. I'll have to take your word for that.......as I have never owned one; But I did
61 Post contains images zippyjet : I also made mention of this in one of my earlier replies to this thread. And, it was interesting the 1959 Edsel's front was way toned down from the 1
62 seb146 : They did manage to parlay the Aztek into the Vibe, which was also a cute little car. I think, though, GM decided since Buick was a more reconginzed b
63 KiwiRob : Which started life in 1984 as the Opel Kadett.
64 BMI727 : Their tendency to roll over when a tire failed understandably turned a lot of people off. The Aztek and Vibe were not related from an engineering sta
65 JJJ : I owned one, it was my first car and it took all the abuse I put it through (even though the car was almost as old as I when I took it) and still hel
66 type-rated : I had a 1993 Explorer Sport for a few years. The problem with it was the handling, especially at high speeds on the freeway. It drove like you would
67 mad99 : both of mine were 1.4l petrol and second gen models. I don't remember them as being slow unless i had 4 in it. Also, last night i saw a renault 7. Th
68 na : I repeat it, its unfair to single out the Beta. When I sold mine, which was of the two-door HPE bodystyle, it was 8 years old, and I had enjoyed it f
69 Post contains links and images Superfly : Not sure where all the Edsel hatred is coming from. That was a great car that just so happened to sale poorly. It was an upmarket car that was releas
70 ImperialEagle : Yeah, they lasted and lasted like the old Mercs of that era. When one appeared behind us in traffic my father used to muse that the front looked like
71 falstaff : The 350 diesel sucked and it was underpowered for the cars it was put in. Nothing was worse than getting stuck behind a 1980 Cadillac Fleetwood with
72 falstaff : That was due to production levels not meeting demand. GM even over played the battery fire nonsense. They offered people their money back on the cars
73 BMI727 : Looks mostly, and being synonymous half a century later with being a sales flop. If you want to blast an electric car for catching fire, you should b
74 falstaff : I wrote that backwards... The line shut down due to the fact that demand wasn't as high as production levels. But the crashed tested cars caught fire
75 falstaff : Yep... I went to a conference back in '09 put on by the Michigan Department of Labor and people from A123 were there selling us on their nonsense and
76 BMI727 : The thing is that when it comes to looks in the 1950s, there wasn't a ton of diversity. You had the quirky compact cars like the Beetle and Nash Metr
77 MrChips : The Volt is selling a lot better this year than last year (they've sold almost 20,000 of them year-to-date). Thinking like that also turns a blind ey
78 BMI727 : Just ran across a report today that Fisker has had to stop production due to lack of batteries.
79 falstaff : interesting. I guess they relied on A123 to make them a product and when A123 built them an inferior product they screwed themselves. This is a good
80 na : Because there are technologies or ideas which dont pay off immediately, or are wanted by the public or the governments for other reasons than just im
81 BMI727 : That's not true. There's venture capital, private equity, not to mention that most car manufacturers are quite large, have a lot of money when they a
82 Post contains images mayor : Nader said later that the reason he picked on the Corvair was that GM was a bigger target. IF the Corvair had any handling problems at all, it was be
83 BMI727 : Porsche 911s, some worse than others, up until the introduction of the 964 had similar handing issues and it gained a reputation for snap oversteer.
84 Geezer : Yeah, right.........like those carburetors from the 60's that will get a full size Cadillac 150 MPG ? Yeah, I've been "hearing about" them for about
85 BMI727 : There's that old urban legend about a guy who bought a new car and noticed that it barely seemed to burn any fuel. Then after he had it a day or two
86 zippyjet : Did you ever get to work on Mustang II's with the V6 and V8? I can imagine it being quite tight under the hood of a Pinto sized auto with those large
87 type-rated : The Pontiac center nose was more sculpted and more in scale with the size of the car. Ford also did something similar with their mid 60's Thunderbird
88 na : Guess why. I have an engineer in my family working for another industry and he says its true that "his" industry hides inventions which would be of g
89 KiwiRob : There are 3 Karmas in the very small town I live in, surprising considering the price which is well north of 1 million NOK. I always though the Corva
90 Post contains images Superfly : That would be funny to meet that character now. I'm sure you'll be able to find him next spring when it warms up at an Occupy Wall Street rally. My f
91 mayor : My dad used to have a '59 Continental......black.....just a huge car. My first car was a '62 Mercury Monterey, 2 dr hardtop with a 3 speed on the col
92 Post contains images Superfly : You and your family have great taste in cars. Same here. Lots of tax money that goes to the government to pay for all the goodies and handouts to the
93 Post contains links and images mayor : I liked the '55 better. I learned to drive a stick, driving my Aunt's 2 door sedan. I learned to drive in one of these......
94 falstaff : Those were still around in the 1980s. Maybe they were left over stock J.C. Whitney had those tiny 1bbl carbs you could put on anything, including a b
95 MrChips : Laugh all want, it doesn't change the fact that the Volt is actually a very good car. I went into that test drive as skeptical as anyone could be, bu
96 Post contains images Superfly : The fuel economy on the 2bbl versions of the Lincolns didn't get any better fuel economy than the 4bbl versions. I can't imagine the 1bbl being much
97 mayor : Well, it was at a commercial driving school in Aurora. My first day, we took it out on the Illinois Tollway and he told me to step on it. It had a 42
98 BMI727 : Same here. It doesn't look that different than the Ford Crown Victoria, Packard Caribbean, or any number of other cars from the era. Some of the Chry
99 Post contains links Superfly : Nice. Look who else took a driver's lesson in a dark red, full-sized GM convertible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjAPRZgOMrQ
100 na : So what? Be happy that its not the other way around, dirt roads for you and Versailles-style palaces for the oil bosses would be the reality. How wou
101 mham001 : Kadett. I had two of these, they weren't bad, in fact they were pretty sporting for the times. I remember one was built in W Germany and I swore the
102 BMI727 : If the military wants to power their vehicles with alternative or more efficient means, which would make their jobs easier, more power to them. Send
103 seb146 : No. From what I hear, it was the grille that made it bad. To me, any Nissan is horrid to look at. They may be reliable, but I can't get over the look
104 Post contains links and images mayor : Supposedly, the '78-'79 Chevy Monza GT was pretty bad, too. It was said that in the V-8 model that to change the rearmost plugs on each side, that th
105 Post contains images zippyjet : If you are referring to the "final generation" Corvair you and I wholeheartedly agree. The first generation Corvair coupes and convertibles were OK l
106 mayor : As I recall, my dad's '59 Continental 4 door, had ALL the windows (except for the windshield, of course) powered, including the vent windows. The doo
107 mham001 : That was 2 generations later and fwd. That model actually won European Car of the Year. I had early 70's Kadett Rallyes, they had a 1.9l motor, rwd a
108 Post contains images Superfly : Where is this Rush Limbaugh nonsense coming from? I haven't heard a word from him on this topic. That is what I expect for a 1950s era car. I see wha
109 vc10 : Well being British and old enough to have owned most of the [British] cars being knocked on here so far let me give my opinion Morris Mini-- Fun to dr
110 Post contains images Superfly : I think the British has made the most beautiful cars to come out of Europe. Everything from the old MG up to the Rolls Royce are gorgeous. They do ge
111 Bongodog1964 : You haven't mentioned the sub frame, notorious for corroding leading to rear suspension collapse, I'm sure the metal received no more than a coat of
112 Post contains images KiwiRob : The V70 is the best car that we have ever owned, when the kids are out of child seats (couldn't fir 3 child seats in the V70 so had to sell it) I'll
113 Post contains images mayor : At least it no longer looks like the box it was shipped in! This may be considered nit-picking, but ALL of GM's cars are now non-Onstar. They've gone
114 na : I must agree, though the Italians are close rivals. Not all cars from the UK are great of cause, as the British also built some truly awful and bad o
115 Revelation : It makes me wonder why "the Chinese" find the money for such long-term plays yet it seems no Americans have/do.
116 KiwiRob : The Chinese aren't really much involved in current Volvo's, the latest designs S/V60/V40 were all developed under Fords ownership, the first Volvo de
117 Post contains links and images mayor : Just for the heck of it, here's some pics of the cars I was talking about: 1959 Lincoln Continental 1955 Mercury Montclair 1956 Mercury Montclair (4 d
118 falstaff : It isn't bad if you lease one, from what I hear. Or a Chevy Cruze I have heard that froma lot of people, their their sub frames all rotted away befor
119 mayor : I rented the Opel version in Ireland in '86. As I recall, it wasn't too bad a car. I was more busy learning to drive on the left than whether the car
120 falstaff : I don't think they were all that bad to drive and the initial quality was probably ok. But as they aged they tended to fall apart more than some othe
121 BarfBag : Worst car ? Every damn car made in India before economic liberalization in 1991, and a handful of cars since.
122 mayor : Ford always seemed to have that problem with any car that they imported over to the states. Once they dropped the model and quit importing it, the pa
123 KiwiRob : There was a big difference between the European Kadett and Koprean LeMans in quality. That car was a Ford Australia design built around the Ford Lase
124 Post contains links and images zippyjet : I believed we both got into a thread about bad album covers Some were so bad they were kitschy. In the 50's I feel most people were in the closet on
125 sccutler : Classic - and I believe I see a Superfly comment (who else would use the Quad 8-track handle?). --- My worst car ever was a Honda Civic - rusted badl
126 na : Not quite right. The Architecture of the 50s was the most boring ever, a few gems aside. No decade ever built houses with so little taste and lasting
127 Post contains images B777LRF : Worst car of all time? Got to be something old, badly built, unsafe, fuel hogging and with hideous design to boot. Most 1950s/1960s cars then. The abs
128 Post contains images Superfly : {Shhh} Don't blow my cover. HaHa! Well that's what was written in the brochure.
129 mham001 : Nonsense. American cars of the 50's and 60's were not badly built and were not unsafe for the period. Design is in the eye of the beholder and hindsi
130 BMI727 : They made the mistake of deciding that it is wrong for mundane cars to look at all mundane. The result is odd looking, but otherwise average, cars. I
131 KiwiRob : Damn shame being that the V70 was dropped from the US line up and they don't sell the V60 in the US either. The XC70 is basically the V70 but doesn't
132 falstaff : I always liked the XR4Ti. It was a nice looking car, By the mid 1990s they were nothing but headaches for their owners. I used to play a racing game
133 Post contains links mham001 : Wouldn't Mazda 323 mechanicals imply at least something to do with design and development? Wiki says so. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Laser Inte
134 Post contains images mayor : This used to go around, here in the states, about why the Brits drank warm beer. It was because Lucas made their refrigerators.
135 BMI727 : Lucas is also the reason why British manufacturers didn't bother backlighting switches. At night it doesn't matter which one you press: nothing happe
136 zippyjet : Again it all comes down to taste. My feeling being most stuff built from the 70's on especially houses are horrid and cheap looking and quality. Most
137 sccutler : Remember? We lived them. My Mom had an 825 ('87), my Dad, an 927 (1991). The '87 was beautifully-equipped, and smooth as silk to drive (though a litt
138 Post contains images Superfly : Oh yes. I good friend of our family back in Gary, IN had bought one of those new. Their other car was a 1982 Buick LeSabre diesel when they were new.
139 zippyjet : But built like sh*t and energy hogs. For the many folks who bought them it will be premature built in obsalesence. My two cousins both single and in
140 Superfly : The Granada, Monarch, Versailles is a popular punching bag but they are very solid and reliable. Also many gear heads use the the super-tough 9-inch
141 Post contains images BMI727 : I actually rather like McMansions. Ideally, I like something low, sleek and sprawling, but McMansions can be quite nice since they are usually new, h
142 Superfly : Last time I saw them in 2009, everything appeared to be in working order. I was amazed that it had no rust after 15 years considering all the salt th
143 BMI727 : My dad's never had any issues with rust. Mechanically it was pretty solid for a long time of pretty heavy use, it was just the extras that started to
144 Superfly : I know two Roadmaster owners of this era. The wood trim isn't an issue. My grandmother has one and the only thing I had to replace was a power window
145 Post contains links TSS : Both the Pacer and the Monza were designed around GM's aborted rotary engine. It would have produced V8 power from an engine the size of a pony keg,
146 falstaff : I always like the joke "what are the three positions of an English car's headlight switch? Off, dim and intermittent" LOL! I have seen that on Contin
147 Post contains links mayor : Just thought I'd throw this in. This is for those of you that always have trouble parellel parking your car, especially those 50s and 60s "barges" htt
148 TSS : In fairness, no, the Tempo and Topaz weren't that bad, but they could have been so much better. Cinching up some of the fore-aft slop in the front su
149 BMI727 : I like foyers and open space. Beats having everything closed off and narrow claustrophobic staircases. I don't know that we ever did, although it may
150 TSS : There's nothing wrong with having decent-sized foyers and open staircases; I prefer them myself. However, one of the defining design characteristics
151 luckyone : My grandmother had one of those when I was young. I can still remember, distinctly, the sound it made. If you were outside when she came over you cou
152 BMI727 : Having open space in a house does not mean that it is in any way wasted. Allowing a larger great room at the expense of a smaller bathroom or sacrifi
153 stasisLAX : Here's my list, in no particular order 1) Chevy Vega - blown head gaskets, rust, worst build quality. No resale value 2) Ford Mustang II - Terrific se
154 Post contains images mayor : All things that could have been remedied, quite easily. The oil problem is mostly a problem with the valve guides, which can be fixed with bronze one
155 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : ... of the era. It wasn't until the early 70s (Ford in '68) that vans adopted the more conventional front-engine layout. Come on Zippy, don't hold ba
156 BMI727 : True. That was a problem with the tires more than with the Explorer itself. Other than that they were pretty solid vehicles.
157 Post contains links and images Superfly : ???? All the above are GOOD things. The Mustang IIs were some of the best 'looking' Mustangs. I am a fan. ... Classic Mustang (by Acho Jun 7 2004 in
158 Post contains images Bongodog1964 : Good old Lucas, the days when you could pick up spare electrical parts for your car from the motor factor at dirt cheap prices. Along came the import
159 mayor : I need to add that Chevy took care of any handling problems by having an IRS at the rear, much like the Corvette's, in the '65 and later models. Howe
160 Post contains links and images zippyjet : These looked OK, though diagonal treatment it blends with these creampuff cruisers. whereas: Look like big "Dunbo" ears.
161 falstaff : I worked for Ford at the time, processing warranty claims, in Dearborn. It was the blame game for sure, but one thing that was odd was the statistica
162 PHLBOS : The Explorer was well established in the market many years before the Mountaineer first rolled out as a 1997 model; and hence, sold in greater number
163 MrChips : The tires in the Explorer were a problem, but the larger problem still was the tire pressure Ford recommended to make an already unruly vehicle handl
164 mayor : But you get the idea, right?
165 falstaff : I remember sitting in a couple meetings about the problem and I am pretty sure it was only the 15s. I hated my job and left it shortly afterward so m
166 okie : I had a friend who was an engineer for Firestone. He claimed that the issue was the tire pressure coupled with the left rear tire that the exhaust pi
167 Post contains links falstaff : It's official, they have been sold to the Chinese. Looks like Michigan and the Feds wasted our money again. I heard on the radio this morning that Fi
168 Superfly : But, but, but, like, umm, what about all of those promises of jobs of the future and hope & change stuff?
169 PHLBOS : Fair enough but what was the sales ratio between number of Explorers sold vs. Mountaineers sold during that period? My guess would be that there were
170 falstaff : There were always way more Explorers. It was like 4 to 1 or so. Statistically they were both just as likely to have a blowout, but the blowouts on the
171 brilondon : Very cheap, and a disposable car if there was ever was one. The Chevette Diesel was always on my list of cars to avoid back in the 80's. After having
172 mayor : I remember using a friends Nissan "Stanza" (I think that was the model) on a trip to Florida once. It was an automatic and my overwhelming impression
173 Geezer : Wow ! I had forgotten all about the Chevette diesel ! Damn ! I didn't think the general public was even aware that they made the things ! My "experie
174 Superfly : I've seen a few still going in SoCal. I imagine those would get good MPG. Let's not forget the performance version - the Pontiac T1000. It was the sp
175 Post contains images PHLBOS : Only as long as they state that it's a Sh*t-Vette. Like the Chevette was for Chevy, the T-1000 was an entry-level car for Pontiac, nothing more/nothi
176 Post contains images Superfly : I was being a bit sarcastic.
177 Post contains images KiwiRob : The Chevette HSR was pretty cool looking.
178 Post contains images Revelation : Maybe because they aren't looking for 10% profit next quarter and every quarter thereafter... Lots of things that used to be the basis of reasonable
179 Superfly : Nah, I prefer the Chevette Sandpiper Edition. The Sandpiper was the mascot of the elementary school I went to when these Chevettes were new. It's the
180 falstaff : I don't think model was ever sold in the US. I never saw one and I have seen a lot of Chevettes. I would like the Scooter model. That is the one with
181 IH8BY : The car in the picture is a Vauxhall Chevette (UK market) rather than a Chevy. Judging by the quite serious body kit on the car I'd say this model lo
182 Superfly : My aunt bought one of those Chevettes in 1976 when they first came out. She had it for only one year then bought a 1977 Pontiac Grand Prix instead.
183 sccutler : Y'know, I had a friend who bought a Chevette at the height of the 1979 "gas crisis" (which was really a sales allocation crisis caused entirely by gov
184 Post contains images PHLBOS : Man, talk about a serious apples-and-oranges comparision. Wise choice; especially given that the '77s were the last of the large A-bodies. Basic, eco
185 Post contains images Superfly : If you got the Sandpiper Edition, it was. Yes that was a wise choice. Of all the bad things I've heard about the Chevette, reliability wasn't one of
186 Dreadnought : I remember when I graduated from high school, one of my buddies had a Chevette - only a few years old, but completely knackered. He just got a new(er
187 brilondon : They did get good MPG. Unfortunately, when you filled up the tank you increase the value of the the car by 50%. So true, so true.
188 zippyjet : I wish them the best but I don't give a rat's pattotty about the royals (pain in the you know what) I've already had enough of the hype.
189 cptkrell : Hello guys and girls; been inactive for about a half-dozen years or so but couldn't resist this topic. Firstly, my two "worst" cars were a '63 XKE con
190 seb146 : I saw a Mini hard top convertable earlier. I wanted to ram my PT into it on principle.
191 mayor : And when you run out of gas, the vehicle is officially "totaled"............ ???????
192 Dreadnought : Talk about a pot-kettle-black moment!
193 falstaff : A few years ago I was at a conference at the GM's private museum in Warren, Michigan. They had a lot of first or last of production cars and some pro
194 Post contains images Superfly : Hey watch it! You know I love plaid seats. Likewise. I was wondering what happened to you. The Granada/Monarch/Versailles is under-appreciated. They
195 Post contains links and images Superfly : How can you not love these beautiful plaid seats? This is from the base Cadillac - The Cadillac Calais. Notice the absence of a rear arm-rest. These
196 KiwiRob : Yup this was the model GM in Europe rallied before they replaced it with the Manta. MINI hardtop convertible, what the hell is a MINI hardtop convert
197 TSS : I love cloth seats, and if I have to live with plaid in order to get cloth I'm okay with that. Mercedes-Benz has a long, rich history of installing r
198 Superfly : I forgot to mention that you have to get the 351cu" V8. That is correct and a bigger problem for 8track tape access. If you bought the model with col
199 mayor : I thought that the Granada, etc. were built on the "Fox" chassis, which was also the platform for the Fairmont and also later model Mustangs/Cougars.
200 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : The only Granadas that were on the Fox platform (which first rolled out 3 model years after the first Granada) were the '81-82 models, which was ulti
201 Post contains links and images Superfly : I got ya covered. Here is a proper photo. Here is the 4-door version. They fixed that problem for the 1981 model year.
202 PHLBOS : True, but they placed the horn control on the turn-signal stalk that year; which was even more annoying IMHO. Ford wouldn't finally correct this issu
203 Post contains links Superfly : Look at what went in to making a Chevrolet Chevette. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO6NsQg8EsY
204 falstaff : When I was a kid my parents and I would visit some friends in San Diego and they had a red 1970 Ford Maverick 2-door with plaid seats. Those people h
205 Revelation : Welcome back! The emblem in the top half clearly turns it from "horse collar" to "man in a boat" as far as I'm concerned. Clearly a guy who can follo
206 Superfly : My aunt in Los Angeles won a puke yellow 1976 Maverick coupe with plaid seats on the TV show - The Price Is Right. The Maverick is long gone but her
207 Geezer : I was thinking the same thing when I read that about a week ago; (more like an "apples- rice krispies" comparison) Charley
208 zippyjet : The first year of the Granada/Monarch were really sweet looking for the times. And even the base model gave you some cool standard split bench or buc
209 Superfly : That is true. There was also the Ghia model which had all sorts of cool luxury features that were found in the Lincolns, Thunderbirds, Grand Marquis
210 cptkrell : Revelation; thank you. I've been spending most of my "spare" time repairing fences and working on an old Ford 2810 farm tractor. Hey, FLY; wifey found
211 Superfly : Nice! I'd like to see a copy as well. You did a great job on the Granada Monarch Versailles.
212 zippyjet : I remember the Ghia model. It was the big brother/sister of the Mustang II Ghias. I believe the Granada/Monarch beat the Nova and it's clones in Cons
213 Superfly : True. In fact, if one was smart and checked off the option list properly, you could have a respectable Mustang II and Monarch. The list of options wa
214 cptkrell : Not to beat this to death, but has anybody noticed that V8 Mustang IIs have specific front end exterior and inner "black metal" stampings, grille asm,
215 Superfly : Wow, I learn something new every day. I always associated those blacked out areas as just styling cues for the sportier appearance package such as th
216 Revelation : Are any of those online? My dad had a Mustang II and he loved it, but had nothing but bad luck with it, and that had nothing to do with the car. He b
217 Superfly : No one deserves that sort of excitement. That sounds terrible. What about the driver?
218 Revelation : Driver and passenger were fine, thankfully...
219 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : IIRC, the '79 Versailles was one of the first vehicles (if not the first) to come with halogen headlights as standard equipment. I have a hardcover b
220 Dreadnought : You know, the Mustang II was actually not a bad little car - it's just that it should never have been called a Mustang. You slap a Mustang badge on a
221 PHLBOS : That was one of the reasons Iacocca went with the II badging. He wanted a car that kept the Mustang tradition (in spirit) but didn't overshadow the l
222 Dreadnought : Pinto was a good (and even related) name - presuming that the other, rolling bomb version was never made.
223 type-rated : One of the problems with the Mustang II was that if you loaded it with any kind of accessories the price would skyrocket. In a showroom you'd have a M
224 Post contains links and images Superfly : The wagons were good because they didn't have the exploding gas tank issue and you could get woodgrain side panels. ...and a very cool looking chick
225 PHLBOS : Sounds very similar to what's happened w/the current Mustang at many dealerships. The affordable (non-Premium Packaged) base V6 coupe (starting price
226 cptkrell : I apologize for not being more specific when I referred to inner "black metal" stampings (my reply 214). In the design/engineering community this term
227 Post contains images PHLBOS : Good to know. I'll recheck the various Mustang II pics in the fore-mentioned book I have to better view the differences. BTW, this was the book I was
228 falstaff : A buddy of mine worked on the assembly line, in Wayne, Michigan. He was the guy that puts the tires on. He was telling me a story about how one night
229 zippyjet : History repeating itself! Back when Mustang Classic the first generation rolled out (19641/2-1966) The cheesy advertisements of the day showed go go
230 PHLBOS : I believe that heat was standard equipment for all cars by then, I think you meant A/C. Actually, the two platforms were being planned/developed alon
231 falstaff : They also were easy and cheap to hop up. Back in the 80s and 90s 5.0 Mustangs were being hot rodded right and left. Even high school students with li
232 Post contains links and images Superfly : That 13mpg number doesn't sound right. The 2.3 liter 4-banger got about 22-26 MPG. Keep in mind, the VW Bug was only getting about that as well. I di
233 zippyjet : I specificially remembered that Consumer Reports auto issue from 1974. And they reviewed the Mustang. 1974 was the worst year when it came to anti-sm
234 Superfly : That is surprising. That defeats the purpose of downsizing if the Boss Mustangs from 1969 where getting about the same MPG, yet put out 4 times the p
235 zippyjet : The Probe looked like a rip off of the Celica Hatchback for 1986 (first of the Front Drive Celica's) I would have liked Ford with the long in the too
236 TSS : Call the '71-'73 Mustangs over-large, uncomfortable, or just wildly inefficient and you won't hear a word of disagreement out of me, but in my book t
237 Superfly : The LTD II did seem a bit redundant. Why have a stripped down Thunderbird? Was the price that much different? The Mercury Cougar XR-7s looked a lot b
238 zippyjet : I think this was due to Ford going with the Pinto platform. I learned on this thread Ford was seriously considering basing the 74 Mustang (II) on the
239 Post contains images TSS : I'm not sure what you mean since the '71-'73 Mustangs didn't have "tunneled tail lights" at all; The tail lights on '71-'73 Mustangs were almost flus
240 zippyjet : The rear side window treatment on the 71-73 were not my favorites. The Tail Lights were oddly shaped and looked like a bad hybrid version of the clas
241 Post contains images Superfly : That would have looked really nice. Even a fully-dressed up Maverick/Comet with Luxury Decor Options wasn't as fancy as the Mustang II interior. The
242 type-rated : I had a 1970 Cougar XR-7 once and it had the sequential tail lights on it. That was one heck of a great car. Made for on the road driving. On that lo
243 Post contains links and images Superfly : I was off by a year. Agreed! Such a beautiful machine. Sounds like yours was made on a Monday or Friday. Did yours have the 351cu", 390cu" or 429cu"?
244 zippyjet : During that period (Late 1960's) it seemed especially with GM and Ford products that had more options, you were taking a gamble. Some owners of both
245 type-rated : Wow, that photo is the exact car I owned, same color & roof too. Mine had the 351 2bbl Cleveland engine in it. It got about 16-18 mpg, not too bad
246 Post contains images Superfly : There is one in the garage just 1 block away from my old place in San Francisco. It is a beautiful machine and the owner takes it out like once a yea
247 cptkrell : Type-rated; for some reason I can't remember the 351 2V Cleveland engine that era. I thought all the 2bbls were Windsor engines -totally different -(b
248 TSS : Apparently the sequential turn signal actuators were well-engineered and durable pieces of machinery. I've seen several barely-running Cougars and Th
249 type-rated : Where were these cars built at? Someone once told me they were built in the same place as the Mark III was made. No, but a lot of guys I knew in colle
250 Post contains images Superfly : That is interesting to know. My 2nd car was a 1976 Mercury Cougar XR-7. It was beat up. Vinyl roof was gone, some bodyside moldings were missing and
251 Post contains images TSS : Nope. The Ford/Lincoln tubular (drum-type) speedometers operate just like a conventional speedometer except that instead of turning a needle around a
252 Post contains images Superfly : Happy Birthday TSS! I know how the speedometer works. I'm just curious as to how the sequential tailights work. Do you still have that speedometer? If
253 Post contains images TSS : Thanks! My bad. I misunderstood your question. It's not mine, that pic is the one and only usable result of a Google image search. I would as well. I
254 Post contains images Superfly : This 'worst cars' thread has turned in to the 'best cars' thread. No problem. Now I am really curious as to how these sequentials work. Thanks. I'm st
255 Post contains images TSS : My uninformed, WAG is that the mechanicals are the same on all of them, but the mounting bracket changed in 1970. The Chevrolet Vega engine: It offer
256 type-rated : Even though I liked my Cougar very much, it was as unreliable as any worst car on the road. So it qualifies for this list. I went from a Cougar to a
257 cptkrell : I am not entirely sure about the speedo question. I spent very little time in the FoMoCo exterior studios just before I got drafted (1968). I do remem
258 cptkrell : The second sentence in my reply 257 should have read "I spent very little time in the FoMoCo INterior studios..." Sorry, jack
259 Post contains images Superfly : For me it was this very 1987 Chrysler Lebaron convertible. Beautiful car that I was able to pull lots of babes with but broke all the time. Wow. Good
260 Post contains images NoUFO : Tell that to this Peugeot-504-Lover. I never owned one, but I was told that beauty would get rusty as soon as you'd roll it out of the garage.
261 Post contains images Superfly : Nice car! That can be said about a lot of French and Italian cars of that time.
262 type-rated : I had to buy something cheap and new. Whatever it was had to be reliable. I was starting my first flying job for a small package express company out
263 Superfly : Sounds like a smart decision at the time. I know we tend to look back fondly of the great cars offered at the time and wonder why people still bought
264 Post contains links iowaman : As this thread has reached over 260 replies please continue the discussion here: 10 Worst Cars Of All Time (A Survey) #2 (by iowaman Dec 29 2012 in No
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