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Powerball At $550 Million, Thoughts?  
User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Posted (1 year 8 months 4 days ago) and read 2272 times:
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I'd donate a lot of it, set up a scholarship at my high school in my brother's name, buy a small 4 seater plane and quit my job.

Would you do anything crazy with half a billion?   

  

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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2762 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days ago) and read 2264 times:
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I've been dreaming about this all morning. I would instantly take half of it and invest it. Set myself up even more for life. I would then take 20 million and give it to my university to cover student's flight costs for how ever long it lasts. I would then fill up my flight account and keep going to school and training. I would still want to fly for an airline. I go crazy sitting around for a day never mind the rest of my life. Probably would get my dad a nice house in Florida like he's always wanted. That and build my stepdad his dream house on Lake Vermilion in MN. Mostly so I could get away and go fishing every weekend . Set up some college funds for my little brother and sister. Nothing too crazy. I'm not the type to drive a flashy car or anything. I live a pretty simple life and want to keep it that way!
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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 4 days ago) and read 2259 times:

I'd buy all the Lexus seats at Nationals Park, and give them out to enlisted servicemen in uniform for all 81 games.

With the other 549 Million, I'd buy the team.



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

The only guaranteed winner is the federal income tax IRS.

With 550 million - I'd have to pay about 192 million in taxes - IF tax rates do not go up in the next 35 years. Which I am certain the will do.

For the cash option - 360.2 million - the tax bill would be about 125.07 million - leaving about 235 million. You would have to work fast to get the trust fund setup and get the prize claimed before the end of 2012. Otherwise you'd probably have to pay an extra 3 to 5 % in taxes.

Note - these are federal income taxes only. I live in a state with no state income tax. If I lived in California - I'd have to pay another 10.3% in state income tax in addition to the federal tax.

If I had 235 million after taxes - that would go into a trust fund with my family as beneficiaries. I'd try to shelter as much of it as possible from future taxes and estate taxes.

Say 5 million for some gifts and toys - make sure I had a nice house, boat, rv paid off and not owe anyone any money. Same for my kids.

That would leave 230 million which could safely provide 2.5% per year after taxes and management expenses for our family - $5,750,000 per year for 18 primary recipients today - have to plan on splitting it 40 ways in the future.

So about 30 years from now - each primary would receive about $145,000 per year.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Donate, invest, real estate, real estate and more real estate.


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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11214 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):
With 550 million - I'd have to pay about 192 million in taxes - IF tax rates do not go up in the next 35 years. Which I am certain the will do.

For the cash option - 360.2 million - the tax bill would be about 125.07 million - leaving about 235 million. You would have to work fast to get the trust fund setup and get the prize claimed before the end of 2012. Otherwise you'd probably have to pay an extra 3 to 5 % in taxes.

You say that like you'd turn it down.  

The tax consequences are really of very little concern, if you ask me.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5569 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):
real estate, real estate and more real estate.

Real estate is probably the third worst area to invest in (after airlines and .com companies).



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

I would LOVE to write the IRS a check for $125 million next April 14th. I'd make a copy and frame it.

However, the point is that no one is going to get half a billion dollars.

And that even with the $235 million - unless you want to become a full-time money manager - you are not going to be able to 'live like a millionaire'.

It isn't enough money to buy and maintain a Gulfstream 650. It isn't enough money to buy a 150 foot long yacht.

Yes, Mitt Romney is probably worth a bit less than $235 million - but face reality. He has worked in that area with those levels of money almost all his adult life. Management and dealing with that level of money is something he understands.

I don't, and I suspect almost all the people who buy lottery tickets don't. That is why most lottery winners are out of money within five years.

Otherwise, we'd have money at a level where we wouldn't see winning the lottery as life changing.


User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

So, after the cash option and taxes (I use 60% payout for the cash and 40% tax rate, or 36% of the total) you come up with about $200 million.

I guess with hat kind of jackpot, I might consider taking the annual payout, but, I'm a firm believer that money today is worth a lot more (more than the interest rate, if you're smart) than money tomorrow.

After securing our family's future, my wife and I would operate the Fr8mech Philanthropic Trust. We would spend our time and energy deciding what charities and/or organizations we'll support.

Of course, we would have spent a few bucks to elevate our lifestyle a bit, but would have to be very careful. I don't want my daughter growing into a Paris Hilton or my son growing into the male equivalent.



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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):
Note - these are federal income taxes only. I live in a state with no state income tax. If I lived in California - I'd have to pay another 10.3% in state income tax in addition to the federal tax.


If you win the California State lottery it is not taxed California tax, just Federal tax.

So, after taxes, I would take 20-30 million and invest for retirement. Next would be to pay off all my dept and give some to family, charities and my church.

From there I would like to travel, probably buy and RV and drive the country stopping whenever and wherever I wanted.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
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I estimated after getting the cash option and Uncle Sam sticking it to me, I'd walk with $175 mil. That's still a hell of a lot of cash.   

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):

Your post is classic bro! Thanks for crunching the numbers for us all.   

Quoting STT757 (Reply 4):

My grandad always told me the best investment is land.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

If I win I plan on calling in sick tomorrow.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting Starbuk7 (Reply 9):
If you win the California State lottery it is not taxed California tax, just Federal tax.

California was just an example. Most states do charge state income tax on lottery winnings.

Also, I forgot to check something - California does not participate in Powerball. Only Mega-Millions.

Here is something I found after doing some more research

State Income Tax withholding (note this is the amount withheld from the winning payout for state taxes - above the federal withholding, not the amount actual tax owed)

Arizona 5% state withholding (Arizona residents), 6% state withholding (non-Arizona residents)
Arkansas 7% state withholding
California No state tax on lottery prizes
Colorado 4% state withholding
Connecticut 6.7% state withholding
Delaware No state tax on lottery prizes
Georgia 6% state withholding
Idaho 7.8% state withholding
Illinois 5% state withholding
Indiana 3.4% state withholding
Iowa 5% state withholding
Kansas 5% state withholding
Kentucky 6% state withholding
Louisiana 5% state withholding
Maine 5% state withholding
Maryland 8.75% state withholding (Maryland residents), 7% state withholding (non-Maryland residents)
Massachusetts 5% state withholding
Michigan 4.35% state withholding
Minnesota 7.25% state withholding
Missouri 4% state withholding
Montana 6.9% state withholding
Nebraska 5% state withholding
New Hampshire No state tax on lottery prizes
New Jersey 10.8% state withholding
New Mexico 6% state withholding
New York 8.82% state withholding, plus: 3.648% (NYC residents), 0.897% (Yonkers residents)
North Carolina 7% state withholding
North Dakota 3.99% state withholding
Ohio 6% state withholding
Oklahoma 4% state withholding
Oregon 8% state withholding
Pennsylvania No state tax on lottery prizes
Rhode Island 7% state withholding
South Carolina 7% state withholding
South Dakota No state tax on lottery prizes
Tennessee No state tax on lottery prizes
Texas No state tax on lottery prizes
U.S. Virgin Islands † Unknown State Tax Rate
Vermont 6% state withholding
Virginia 4% state withholding
Washington No state tax on lottery prizes
Washington, D.C. 8.5% state withholding
West Virginia 6.5% state withholding
Wisconsin 7.75% state withholding

http://www.usamega.com/mega-millions-faq.htm


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

I would finish law school but I wouldn't worry so much about my grades. The summer would be solely about traveling to places I always wanted to go to. I would buy two cars for myself and a few for family members. Help family pay off all debts, buy some investments in many different things. Real estate, stocks, bonds, etc... I would probably take 2-3 million just for my own risky investments and hire someone to help with the rest. I would also set aside a at least 2 million to donat,e to charities one million right away another 1 million in the bank and donate the interest gained.

Of course plenty would go right into savings and protected from taxes whether that means the Cayman Islands or Bermuda.
Oh and I would pay someone to make me a full scale 737NG flight simulator. Not a level D or anything but something that cost around 20-30k dollars.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 10):
My grandad always told me the best investment is land.



My Wife and I went to Kauai over the Summer and visited the property owned by AOL's Steve Case. He purchased the land when he cashed out and sold AOL to Time Warner during the height of the DOT.com boom. Amazing piece of land, I would want to acquire such land around the Country;

Florida home
New York City apartment
New Jersey home
Western State Ranch (Colorado, Montana, Idaho etc..).



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7195 posts, RR: 86
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2131 times:
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Quoting DesertJets (Reply 11):
If I win I plan on calling in sick tomorrow.
Quoting STT757 (Reply 14):

Larry Ellison bought Lanai, you could still own a piece of Kauai!


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2128 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 3):
The only guaranteed winner is the federal income tax IRS.

With 550 million - I'd have to pay about 192 million in taxes

This is crazy in my opinion. I don't understand why the IRS has to reach in and claim part of your prize. It's like winning a 2-4 of beer at a stag and doe and the government swings by your house the next day and demands 7 beers from the case. But then again I live in a country where you keep every penny you win, so I guess that's just the system I'm used to.

Anywho, if I won:

- my parents get $20 mil before I even make my first purchase
- I buy a new car (nothing too luxurious) to replace the crappy van I have now
- I would pay off all my school debts
- I wouldn't drop out of school, because I'm only one semester away from finishing my degree, but I would certainly stress less on projects, deadlines, and exams
- I would buy a nice condo somewhere on the water in Toronto
- Needless to say, I'm sinking a fair amount into a RTW trip, F all the way!
- I have a few friends that have small businesses that they are just starting up, I would likely by into their businesses with a hands-off approach
- Lastly, a buddy and I DJ for fun, but once I'm done school I would likely buy us all new top-of-the-line mixers, CDJs, etc. and start to take it more seriously and make a job out of it for a while

The rest would be invested.



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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 8):
we would have spent a few bucks to elevate our lifestyle a bit,

You know, I've been thinking about that statement and I'm not really sure what I would do to effect that 'elevation'. We just bought our house (that I freaking plan to die in), the kids are healthy and get what they need (and a bunch of the stuff they want). The wife and I are healthy.

Pay-off the house. Do the things we want done to it, that would have taken 5 - 10 years. New cars? I have a 3 year old car and the wife's is 2 years old. Maybe a project car for me?

New house? What the heck would I do with a massive house. I'm in 2700 sq ft on 1/2 acre now and sometimes think that's too big. Maybe a vacation home somewhere? Yeah, we'll do that.

But really? Other than having to worry about money ever again, what real lifestyle changes would you make that would make you or keep you happy? I don't mean the give away to the family and friends or even the charitable donations. What would you do for you?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

If I win I'll wonder how I did so without buying a ticket.

But if I still won, I'd pay off my friends' and family members' debt and quickly donate the rest before I let them money get a hold of me and corrupt me. Money is not corrupt, the love of money is, and I have a feeling it would get the better of me. Plus, what does anyone need with all that money? I could feed starving children or something instead



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User currently offlineBoeEngr From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

The list is long, but I'd buy us a new house, and most likely a vacation home as well. The wife and I would get new cars. I'd pay off her parents' mortgage and my parents' as well, and probably those of our siblings. I'd set aside college funds for my daughter and our nieces and nephews, and probably give all family members some money. I'd make sure both my parents and my wife's parents could retire. I'd pay off our school loans.

I'd make a donation to our church, my college, and the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society, as well as, most likely, a few other charities.

My wife has always wanted to run a bakery, so perhaps we'd do that. I would consider running a small business of my own as well, though I don't know exactly what that would be. I would want to work in some capacity so our daughter learns the value of hard work.

I'd set aside and/or invest the bulk of the money, have a financial planner help figure out a budget, and live off a fixed monthly amount similar to what we make now, though we would have more disposable income because we wouldn't be paying a monthly mortgage and student loans.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3300 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2084 times:
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Some great ideas for generosity here. For people who do win and decide donation is their expenditure of choice, I can send you a Private Message with my Bank Account and Routing Numbers. Just let me know!

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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

I'd pay for my education, first and foremost. After that? More... I'd probably dedicate myself to learning and academia. A PPL too. I'd live well, but not extravagantly.


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User currently offlineDarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1347 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 7):

It isn't enough money to buy and maintain a Gulfstream 650. It isn't enough money to buy a 150 foot long yacht

You planning on putting 6,000 hrs/yr on that 650 at MTOW or something? Even so, that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than enough to own, operate, tie down in a hangar, fuel, damage a lot, repair, and repeat cycle on a 650. For life.

But no matter. I'd buy a Scud. Nothing like having you're own privatized copy of the world's largest trijet. They're cheap to buy now, and there is an STC for re-working the interior. Sounds like a lot, but if you're looking at something stupid like a 650 anyway, might as well get a lot more for a lot less.



Blah blah blah to investing. Not saying I absolutely wouldn't, but let's get real here a moment, folks. At 100+mio, (about what's leftover by now) you really don't need to unless you have an actual purpose in mind. And if you're playing the lotto, odds are you don't.

The closest I come to that one would be to find some major city mayor I don't like, and take their job. Not for life, but long enough to say I did it. But I'm sure building a political machine on that scale would still leave quite a lot bucks over. The alternative plan would be to buy myself a seat in Congress and lighting some real fire under causes folks are normally afraid of losing elections over.

But for actual lifestyle, I'd probably keep that to the standard of someone making about $250 a year. There's no way I'd retire, whatever I do, and if I did stay where I'm employed, I demand a raise in a hurry.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):

But if I still won, I'd pay off my friends' and family members' debt and quickly donate the rest before I let them money get a hold of me and corrupt me. Money is not corrupt, the love of money is, and I have a feeling it would get the better of me... ...I could feed starving children or something instead

So.......... Why in the hell would you win the first place? Sounds like you're saying you'd do your best to "un-win". Not seeing any sense there.

Quoting DeltaMD90, reply=18:
Plus, what does anyone need with all that money?



What do you need your wife for? Chances are you'd say you love her or can't live without her, or something along those lines. But I'll bet you were getting along just fine before you met.

Money is not a person, but the principle remains. I did great at $45,000/anu. But that was three raises ago; what do you think the odds are I'd give them back without the threat of layoff?



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

I plan to buy me and my partner a coke and a hamburger...in Paris, then decide what we will do with the rest of the money. Did I mention going to Paris?


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User currently onlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5359 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 22):
Blah blah blah to investing. Not saying I absolutely wouldn't, but let's get real here a moment, folks. At 100+mio, (about what's leftover by now) you really don't need to unless you have an actual purpose in mind. And if you're playing the lotto, odds are you don't.

Investing (well) ensures that the money survives perpetually. Your descendants are set for their lives, assuming they spend and invest well.

Of course, if you only care for yourself and 'the now', there is always bankruptcy to fall back on, as many pro sports figures have learned.



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25 bjorn14 : Change my phone number and wait 3 months before claiming the prize to figure out what I was going to do. I'd try not to tell/let anyone know. Try to g
26 DeltaMD90 : That's the joke I'm not blasting anyone for wanting to spend money on themselves. I just, personally, don't see why anyone needs that much money. Sur
27 Post contains images Darksnowynight : So does having 100mio, which none of us are ever going to see. My point is, with a pot that big, if you need to "invest" to stay safe, at that level,
28 flymia : So nice not to see Florida on that list. Great state. Oh yea! No doubt I would do a trip like that over the summer problem is finding someone to go w
29 einsteinboricua : All I know is that if I were to win the lottery (which I can't since there's no Powerball in PR) I'd fly all of EK's network...first class XD
30 Ken777 : On the spending side I'd go with replacing my 10 year old car. A change in house would be on the cards - but that is the situation in 2013 regardless
31 zippyjet : Wouldn't it be nice if my ticket had all the winning numbers? And I also pre-signed it so when it happens...
32 mad99 : i listened to a interview about a massive loto winner from the usa a couple of years ago.. the 550m might not be 550m if you want it all today, in the
33 Post contains images scbriml : Do the lottery in the UK. No tax on winnings, and a £160million jackpot is £160million!
34 rfields5421 : At least two tickets matched all the numbers correctly. One sold in Missouri, and one in Arizona. I guess I don't need to check my tickets bought in T
35 KiwiRob : Screw the family, I'd sort out the mortgages on all immediuate family members and that would be all they would get, a free house is a pretty god star
36 Post contains links mad99 : But winning the Big One isn't a guaranteed ticket to the good life, as these previous winners can attest: -Jack Whittaker: This West Virginia business
37 flymia : He still gets the money. So he has 44 million instead. Not bad. These two just did not take care of their money. It happens. And that is how giving t
38 Revelation : Ahh, poop! No "Revelation Airport" and hangars full of airplanes going up in my (new) back yard, sigh...
39 Post contains images Ken777 : There goes flying in First. Back to using the miles I have. Won't be buying any more tickets until the next big one. Then it'll be another $10 buy.
40 Post contains images Maverick623 : Sold in Fountain Hills, no less. The rich keep on getting richer....
41 ltbewr : I have issues with the monster gross payouts. A few too many buy way more in tickets than they should for the elusive big prize when they get like Pow
42 fr8mech : So, you're saying the Powerball, The Mega-Millions and the other state lotteries are fixed?
43 ltbewr : In effect they do so by raising the number of possible numbers that one can use like 54 instead of 48, the use of a separate pool of numbers used for
44 MD-90 : Powerball jackpots are only going to get bigger from here on out since the cost of a ticket was doubled from $1 to $2. Never played the lottery myself
45 Post contains images jetblueguy22 : Well folks, this is going to be a shocker to you all, but I didn't win.... . Looks like the luck of the irish wasn't on my side this time! Who would h
46 fr8mech : They are not fixed. The lottery managers are just using statistics (and emotions) to increase jackpots. What boogles the mind is that some people don
47 rfields5421 : The odds are that one in every 175+ million powerball tickets purchased will be a winner. So for most drawings of less than 80 million - there are no
48 Darksnowynight : Right. You'll never need 100+mio. Which is why it never makes sense to me that someone would say "I'd only spend 10% and invest the rest." If they fe
49 fr8mech : No, my odds of winning are exactly the same. The odds that someone else will win are higher.
50 Darksnowynight : As a practical matter, it's the same difference. I know it's based on a sequence of numbers that have the same number of places. But you're adding a
51 Revelation : My way of looking at it is if I buy a ticket my odds are miniscule, but if I do not buy a ticket my odds are exactly zero. So, when the amount becomes
52 fr8mech : $40 million is not life changing?
53 Post contains images flymia : People saying that the jackpot is too high for them to not want to win is nonsense IMO. Sure winning 25 million would be easier but if someone gave yo
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