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5 German Tuifly Crew Killed In Car Crash  
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Very sad news.

On the way to the airport of Hurghada in Egypt their minivan collided with another minivan. According to the latest news 5 crewmembers were killed, 1 injured. Also both Egyptian drivers were killed.

R.I.P. to all

a source : http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/02/502...german-airline-crew-killed-in.html

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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

This is tragic, and my heart goes out to all those involved.

It is actually a common fear of mine. While likely not the case here, often our crew finds themselves in less than optimum vehicles with "insane" drivers who feel speed and time is primary. More than once, I have asked the driver to slow down as we really don't need the 5 minutes saved.

But it goes back to the old adage. The most dangerous part of your air journey is the drive to the airport.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3771 times:

I assume it is this flight: (X3) TUIfly 6127 from Hurghada to Hannover





Quoting longhauler (Reply 1):
But it goes back to the old adage. The most dangerous part of your air journey is the drive to the airport.

I say the same when talking to people with fear of flying who have to travel with me....


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3582 times:

Awful stuff, horrendous for the crew and their families.

Without wishing to throw baseless accusations around, I ask the honest question - is it the case that some airlines skimp on this element of infrastructure and could perhaps pay a little more to ensure a safer transfer for their workers? Or, is it just a case of being the victim of poor local driving standards and nothing else?



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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

What an absolutely needless tragedy. RIP to the victims, their families, and the TUIfly family--my heart hurts for them, as I couldn't imagine losing an entire group of colleagues this way.

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3):
Without wishing to throw baseless accusations around, I ask the honest question - is it the case that some airlines skimp on this element of infrastructure and could perhaps pay a little more to ensure a safer transfer for their workers? Or, is it just a case of being the victim of poor local driving standards and nothing else?

Honestly, I'm not sure what exactly the airline could do to improve this. We can hold the hotels' feet to the fire by sending in complaints and letting them know their contract is in jeopardy if they don't address it, but what's really the incentive for the driver to be extra cautious?

I've been at both ends of the spectrum--I've traveled in pricey limousine and town car services, and I've spent many mornings/evenings in hotel vans. Both have more than their fair share of mental drivers. Just yesterday afternoon, our van driver was approaching stopped traffic too fast and had to swerve into the emergency lane to avoid an accident. I made a promise to myself to ALWAYS wear my seatbelt in the vans. Some of these guys have been working unbelievably long shifts in the hotel in between shuttles, too.

Throwing money at the problem is not the best answer. Some of those guys can make more than some regional FO's when you include tips.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 3):
I ask the honest question - is it the case that some airlines skimp on this element of infrastructure and could perhaps pay a little more to ensure a safer transfer for their workers?

We have within our pilot union, a committee who's sole function is ground transportation assessment. The airline can set up contracts after the union can assess companies, then pick what they feel offers the best and safest service.

A part of this process is a reporting system, whereby a crew can report to the committee, (and thus the airline) a less than optimum trip to and from the airport. If a trend is noted, then changes are made.

Sometimes it is just as simple as warning the company, or changing companies. Sometimes more drastic actions are taken.

As to whether the airline is "skimping", that is unlikely. It is more that they were not aware the condition exists. As an example, we had at a certain destination, the crew bus was hijacked and the crew robbed four times in one month. So the pilots simply told the airline they would not fly there any more until the problem was solved. The airline very quickly solved the problem!

Quoting JBirdAV8r (Reply 4):
I made a promise to myself to ALWAYS wear my seatbelt in the vans.

That is actually line one of our ground transport checklist. Are there enough seat belts for every passenger? If not, then only those with seat belts will travel. The rest take alternate arrangements, usually a taxi, and the bill is sent to the transport company.



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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3286 times:

Terrible. My condolences to their family and friends. It's always been a fear of mine too. I always wear a seat belt and have something to read or occupy me to prevent panic.

Rest In Peace.



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User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):

That is actually line one of our ground transport checklist. Are there enough seat belts for every passenger? If not, then only those with seat belts will travel. The rest take alternate arrangements, usually a taxi, and the bill is sent to the transport company.

Good to know that your company is responsible enough to mandate such things.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 5):
We have within our pilot union, a committee who's sole function is ground transportation assessment. The airline can set up contracts after the union can assess companies, then pick what they feel offers the best and safest service.

.....and also good to know there is trade union input into these kinds of decisions. I hope these matters are taken just as seriously across the board, but I would suspect that some companies might not be so responsible.



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