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Syria To Deploy Sarin Gas - News Article  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7226 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Not from Fox, mind you.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/12/syria-chemical-weapons-3/

Looks like the Assad regime is going to use this gas against their own people, as a US official reported that they are making final preparations in combining the binaries for its use.

This is bad, this is real bad. Not only is this crap dangerous for people, it has huge environmental aftereffects.

This war has gone completely out of hand.


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User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3409 times:

Obama has drawn a "red line" saying that they don't want to see the Syrians move or use the chemicals, whether that means retaliation of some sort or something else I guess will have to be seen.


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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6138 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3386 times:
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Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 1):
Obama has drawn a "red line" saying that they don't want to see the Syrians move or use the chemicals

Not only Obama. Erdogan has too. And HE has a much more practical concern, as the Sarin can seep into the bordering towns. If the Syrians do this, it´ll be the end of Assad. For sure.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6531 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3367 times:

Even before this French president Hollande was already talking about changing the EU policy of not delivering arms to the rebels. I'm guessing we'll see more SAMs being used soon.


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2762 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3345 times:
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Cue US intervention in 3,2,1... Assad is an insane leader. I can't understand how he can get away with what he is doing and nobody is intervening like in Libya. This isn't going to be pretty. Hopefully he isn't dumb enough to use the weapons but I wouldn't put it past him judging by past history.
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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
Cue US intervention in 3,2,1...

As much as we don't like it anymore, I almost find it inevitable.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
This isn't going to be pretty. Hopefully he isn't dumb enough to use the weapons but I wouldn't put it past him judging by past history.

Exactly. I highly doubt that him actually listening to the barking from the west is actually going to do anything either. It's an impending bloodbath

Quoting Aesma (Reply 3):
Even before this French president Hollande was already talking about changing the EU policy of not delivering arms to the rebels. I'm guessing we'll see more SAMs being used soon.

I wonder if Europe/NATO will actually do something along the lines of intervention as well....



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3312 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):

Cue US intervention in 3,2,1... Assad is an insane leader.

But can he be so insane as to think that this action won't bring the UN (and with it the USA) down on his head? Is it possible to be that dense?

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Exactly. I highly doubt that him actually listening to the barking from the west is actually going to do anything either. It's an impending bloodbath

Well, he's in an awful position, really. He can't possibly win, but he's desperate. If he uses the weapons, he could stop the rebellion and risk the US's wrath. If he doesn't use them, he loses the country. I don't envy him his dilemma. Mind you, I don't pity him, either; it's his mess.

This would truly be a move of desperation.


User currently onlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3311 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Looks like the Assad regime is going to use this gas against their own people, as a US official reported that they are making final preparations in combining the binaries for its use.

According to the article, the binaries have been combined. This is PC for they have nerve gas.
This is serious. Especially if you don't trust Assad. this is a Defcon 4 type of moment.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):

I wonder if Europe/NATO will actually do something along the lines of intervention as well....

It is hard to say, but the fact that Turkey has been affected by this, and Israel may get affected, I think all eyes are on the situation.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7226 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Well, he's in an awful position, really. He can't possibly win, but he's desperate. If he uses the weapons, he could stop the rebellion and risk the US's wrath. If he doesn't use them, he loses the country. I don't envy him his dilemma. Mind you, I don't pity him, either; it's his mess.

If he is sincerely thinking of using these, he may not be thinking about the US intervention part, or may be stupid enough to think that he can actually beat our military.



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User currently onlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
But can he be so insane as to think that this action won't bring the UN (and with it the USA) down on his head? Is it possible to be that dense?

Yet look at what he has been able to get away with....
Without serious personal repercussion.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
This would truly be a move of desperation.

Desperation rarely yields the best decisions for those making them and those affected by them.



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User currently onlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 457 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
But can he be so insane as to think that this action won't bring the UN (and with it the USA) down on his head? Is it possible to be that dense?

To quote House: "Huuuuuhhh??"
Yes, he has gone to war with his own people, called for air strikes on them, and even if he doesn't end up using the chemical weapons he is still threatening to use them, and on top of all this, according to him they are defending themselves against armed gangs and terrorists.

Quoting casinterest (Reply 7):
It is hard to say, but the fact that Turkey has been affected by this, and Israel may get affected, I think all eyes are on the situation.

Israel has been affected, it just happened around the same time all the stuff in Gaza started so it didn't make the news.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html

I see any intervention being joint NATO-Israeli.

[Edited 2012-12-03 21:34:11]


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User currently onlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3283 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 10):

Israel has been affected, it just happened around the same time all the stuff in Gaza started so it didn't make the news.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...-11e2-8a5c-473797be602c_story.html

I see any intervention being joint NATO-Israeli.

These were not quite as serious as the Hamas rockets or the Turkish villiages, however Israel has serious skin in the game. Especially when you remember 1991 and Iraq's Scuds.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7138 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
Cue US intervention in 3,2,1

I don't think the US should get involved, the Turks are more than capable enough to sort this out with assistance from the UN.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
I can't understand how he can get away with what he is doing and nobody is intervening like in Libya.

Libya has oil, Syria has nothing the West wants, fairly easy to understand, like the crap that's been happening in Zimbabwe for the last 10/15 years nobody's doing anything because they don't have anything we want or need.


User currently offlineHywel From Uganda, joined Apr 2008, 801 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 4):
I can't understand how he can get away with what he is doing and nobody is intervening like in Libya.

Two simple reasons. Syria doesn't have major oil supplies like Libya. And also the USA doesn't want to mess with Russia.


User currently offlinepvjin From Finland, joined Mar 2012, 1220 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 12):
Libya has oil, Syria has nothing the West wants, fairly easy to understand, like the crap that's been happening in Zimbabwe for the last 10/15 years nobody's doing anything because they don't have anything we want or need.

Yeah, this is the sad truth. Or if we go a bit further back in history think about Rwandan genocide, nobody did anything as Rwanda has not that much oil or other important resources.



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User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting Hywel (Reply 13):
And also the USA doesn't want to mess with Russia.

It's not just Russia: China also has major interests in Syria that it would see as being threatened by a Western intervention. The UN can not act because both Russia and China have used their vetoes in the Security Council, blocking moves to bring about regime change.

Russia has its only Mediterranean base in Syria and large commercial interests, not only selling arms but having previously invested heavily in manufacturing and tourism. However, in 2011 China outstripped Russia as Syria's main trading partner. Exports totalling over $2.4 billion included communications, electronic equipment, heavy machinery and other goods.

China has large stakes in Syria’s oil industry. While Syria may not be a major producer by world standards, oil is important to its economy, generating about 25% of Government revenue. In 2010 Syria produced about 385,000bpd.

The state-owned China National Petroleum Corporation holds shares in two of Syria’s largest oil firms and has signed multi-million dollar deals to assist in exploration and development activities. Another Chinese firm, Sinochem, owns a 50 percent stake in one of Syria’s largest oil fields. Prior to the EU imposing sanctions, 32% of oil exports headed to Germany with Italy taking 31%, France 11%, Netherlands 11%, Austria 7% and Spain 5%. As those countries left the market, China stepped in, possibly benefiting from lower prices consequent upon less competition.

It will require a lot of sweet talking to persuade Russia and China that any regime change in Syria is not simply going to leave them out in the cold. However, if it looks as if Assad is about to be swept aside, they may well wish to come to some arrangement with whoever seems likely to emerge as the stronger internal actor.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1147 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3127 times:

The presence of Chemical Weapons in Syria is hardly news. I'm sure the UN, NATO and Turkey all have plans for if Assad does actually use them. The possibility of him doing so has been on the cards for more than a year.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Well, he's in an awful position, really. He can't possibly win,

If the worst comes to the worst, he can always pick up the phone to Putin and arrange a more than comfortable retirement for him and the family in Russia. Such arrangements have worked for countless autocrats in the past..



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
The presence of Chemical Weapons in Syria is hardly news.

I am extremely cautious of what the main stream media are saying in this context.

Rebels forming unit to secure chemical weapons site – Telegraph

The opposition Free Syrian Army is creating a special unit of men trained to secure Syria’s chemical weapons sites, a former general in the country’s chemical and biological weapons administration has told the Daily Telegraph.
“We have a group just to deal with chemical weapons. They are already trained to secure sites,” said Gen Adnan Silou, the most senior ranking member of Bashar al-Assad’s regime to defect and join the FSA.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-secure-chemical-weapons-site.html


Quote:
“We’re worried about what the [Syrian] military is doing,” one official said, “but we’re also worried about some of the opposition groups,” including some linked to Hezbollah, which has set up camps near some of the chemical weapons depots.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/wo...-gets-another-warning.html?hp&_r=0


Will FSA use chemical weapons to elicit a response from NATO to take out Assad?
Everything is possible.

      Wow!

Edited:
Syria’s top 10 businessmen flee to Egypt
Tuesday, 04 December 2012

With mounting violence in Syria, a large number of businessmen have started transferring their money and business to Egypt, Turkey’s state Anatolia News Agency reported this week.
The businesses, established by Syrian entrepreneurs range from real estate, stock market investments, to smaller projects and retail sales.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/12/04/253308.html

[Edited 2012-12-04 07:02:59]


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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3058 times:

Pathetic if true, I thought Bashar was beyond this, isnt he a dentst by profession who didnt even want to be a leader?

User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3001 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
Pathetic if true, I thought Bashar was beyond this, isnt he a dentst by profession who didnt even want to be a leader?

Try being a puppet. Perhaps he doesn't really have powers like we think.



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5364 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):
snt he a dentst by profession who didnt even want to be a leader

He was an ophthalmologist - I think you may be confusing him with Turkmenistan's president, Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow who was a dentist prior to entering politics. You are correct, though, in that al-Assad didn't seem interested in politics - his older brother Bassel was the one being groomed to take power, but he died in a car accident before that could happen.



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12410 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
If he uses the weapons, he could stop the rebellion and risk the US's wrath

Aren't the rebels in Damascus? Surely he wouldn't do that and this being the case, has the time not past when using chemical weapons would stop the rebellion?

Quoting casinterest (Reply 11):
I see any intervention being joint NATO-Israeli.

With the situation regarding the new housing developments in the West Bank, Israel is pretty toxic at the moment and any action involving co-operation between NATO and Israel would go down very badly in the Arab world. Don't see this happening; besides which, Israel is powerful enough to protect itself.

My question would be this: if the Americans believe that Syria is ready to use chemical weapons, on what do they base this? If they know where the weapons are (and I presume they do), can't they just send in teams to neutralise them, or render them useless in a safe way.

What will Russia's reaction to this be? One would hope that they would not dig their heels in and say that any attack on the Syrian regime would be an act of aggression requiring their intervention. The optics of this would be terrible for Russia, so it's a losing situation for them (which is ironic, since I would imagine much of these supplies came from Russia or were developed with their assistance.) Either Assad doesn't use chemical weapons and is deposed (and killed), or he does use them and he's bombed heavily ... either way, Russia is out of the picture.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2969 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 16):
If the worst comes to the worst, he can always pick up the phone to Putin and arrange a more than comfortable retirement for him and the family in Russia. Such arrangements have worked for countless autocrats in the past..

He needs to know when to give up, though. Once the rebels have control of the airport or even have enough artillery within range of it, flying out ceases to be an option.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 17):
Will FSA use chemical weapons to elicit a response from NATO to take out Assad?
Everything is possible.

In what sense? Whoever deploys such weapons will immediately be a pariah. Now, what the US would do if FSA deployed these weapons against the Assad loyalists I couldn't possibly guess.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 21):
Aren't the rebels in Damascus? Surely he wouldn't do that and this being the case, has the time not past when using chemical weapons would stop the rebellion?

If he kills every breathing human in Damascus, that will stop the rebellion. Not that this would be a wise strategic move on his part, but it would stop it. We're talking about a desperate man who is trying to buy every minute he can. That is going to lead to some very silly-seeming decisions.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2939 times:

Russia and China both have a lot to lose if Assad uses chemical weapons, so they'll probably persuade him not to use them. The big concern here is if the Rebels capture the chemical weapons facility. Hezbollah and al-Qaeda will have militants embedded in the rebel camps, which obviously poses a huge security risk to the international community.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

I'm usually against intervention, but to protect citizenry from chemical attacks is ok in my book. Don't care if they have oil or not, and I wouldn't want to get involved in BS long lasting wars, but going forth with the UN or NATO and doing some airstrikes might help the situation without being too intrusive


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25 Post contains links MadameConcorde : Syrian rebels kill 29 students in attacks on schools near Damascus A mortar attack by Syrian rebels on a school near Damascus has reportedly killed 29
26 Post contains images TheCol : You mean the Syrian Arab News Agency? Great source of information... Why are you even reading that BS?
27 DocLightning : That said, so far most Islamist terrorist attacks have been against the West, rather than against Russia and China, both of whom maintain relatively
28 TheCol : China and Russia would be committing diplomatic suicide by backing a nation that deploys chemical weapons indiscriminately. If they allow NATO interv
29 Post contains images PHX787 : Maybe you're right, but who primarily is the UN assistance? USA Um you are quite off topic, but i'll just placate you by saying that Rwanda was an is
30 DeltaMD90 : I think he was referring to a double standard of countries we intervene in, which is hard to deny. I don't think it was a jab at America or anything
31 Quokkas : I would think they would be doing that and they would be equally concerned that chemical weapons fall into the hands of opposition groups. Russia has
32 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Is France going to send the French foreign legion in Syria? I wonder what these "special units" are about... The French are preparing to intervene in
33 DeltaMD90 : This is how I think international military support should work. Going in and invading kills your troops, kills civilians, costs a ton of money, destr
34 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : just saw this... Thousands of US troops arrive near Syrian shore on USS Eisenhower The USS Eisenhower, an American aircraft carrier that holds eight
35 garnetpalmetto : Good description of whomever wrote that article. For one, they completely misidentify the capabilities of the air group deployed onboard the Eisenhow
36 Post contains links AR385 : It seems the end is near: In Spanish only: http://www.clarin.com/mundo/Aseguran...lua-Latinoamerica_0_823117874.html According to the dailies Haaretz
37 DeltaMD90 : I'm in the US Navy... Carrier groups are not used for amphibious assaults. I'm sure they have limited ground capability but most of those 8000 men (a
38 garnetpalmetto : Per the article, MC linked, the Iwo Jima and it's MEU are also in the area. Of course, given its other factual inaccuracies...
39 DeltaMD90 : Ah well that has the potential for ground invasions but yeah... definitely not going in. And if we were actually going invade Syria (like that would
40 Ken777 : I believe that guys like him live in lala land. They are actually believing that they are going to continue to be in control, no matter what they do,
41 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Looks like Assad is getting ready to use them http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...-military-awaits-assads-order?lite . I really hope he doesn't, th
42 AR385 : Are you sure? I would think the end is going to be more "Gadaffiesque" than what you write.
43 Post contains images PHX787 : Well given both of these.......We're going to see some missiles fired soon
44 Post contains images MadameConcorde : ...says the media who told you about the 'fact' that Iraq had WMD well... the countdown begins... Assad, the Syrian military and the rest of the culp
45 pellegrine : At this point Assad is as good as dead if he remains in Syria for the long term so he might as well take as many people as he can with him. Classic mu
46 Pu : I've heard 25000 children die in Africa every day because of starvation or easily preventable diseases. Protecting Syrian rebels from Sarin gas (or so
47 pellegrine : No one who makes policy cares about sub-Saharan African poor. The minerals of importance to the West are extracted with the help of dictators and com
48 garnetpalmetto : And you're buying into media that's telling you the "fact" that an American CVN has 8 fighter-bomber squadrons? Which one of those two facts is easil
49 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I am not buying into MSM. I am just trying to understand what the true situation is - not the MSM version of events. Take this one: Syrian "rebels" a
50 garnetpalmetto : I know. The media you did buy into in that previous article got an easily verifiable fact COMPLETELY wrong. That's what I'm saying - your media is ju
51 DeltaMD90 : Why on Earth would they do that? This is the same crap a lot of groups "vow" to do. The phrase goes: easier said than done I don't get some of your p
52 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Please bring your own links from the MSM and contribute something to the thread rather than just saying my media are all flawed. I will let you conti
53 powerslide : Get help. Does Syria have much of a SAM network for the Navy/Marine fighters to worry about? I'm going to assume that they'll first dump a hundred or
54 Ken777 : That works, but I doubt if that would be the option for all who are heading to trial. My be, though, is that it will be very profitable being a rope
55 PHX787 : Reports that Assad's troops are giving an ultimatum to the rebels to surrender; just heard from twitter.
56 Post contains images fridgmus : Yes Doc, he can be that insane. Obviously he can't see the reality that his govt is not long for this world. He's so desperate to hold onto power tha
57 Mir : Israel would hit back. As they should. Whether they use their own WMDs to hit back is another matter - I'd tend to believe they wouldn't given the po
58 TheCol : Tactical strikes without ground support may not be the best option in this case. Due to the high density urban environment, no recon and intelligence
59 777way : Who knows they might be planted by outside forces to legitimize invasion of the country with such false statements, its all so obvious.
60 TheCol : More likely an Al-Qaeda cell, like we've seen in Yemen.
61 DeltaMD90 : I think the scope of what I am talking about and the scope of what you are talking about are much different. Special Forces and informants on the gro
62 pellegrine : What did Assad do that is so terrible? What did Qaddafi do? I have critical differences with Western interests and strategy and I will state the posi
63 777way : They didnt help Rwanda and Burundi, all these pale in comparison to what happened there, and those were Christians.
64 ImperialEagle : Yes. Assad has already said he will "fight to the death" so he doesn't care how many people he takes with him. The people of Syria appear to be on th
65 DeltaMD90 : So just because they're "Arab" means they should stop it and its their responsibility? For someone accusing others of being antisemitic, that's prett
66 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : + 1 Rebels captured the “chloride factory” at Al Safira east of Aleppo This is a codename for the Syrian army’s biggest chemical weapons store
67 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : What would Prince Harry have to gain by helping to oust Syrian President Assad? Why would he want to get involved in this? Article: In shining armor:
68 DeltaMD90 : ...because Assad is a jerk killing scores of innocent civilians???????? I doubt there is some New World Order conspiracy going on. I wouldn't mind de
69 garnetpalmetto : Or please take the time to realize that on an aviation website, someone might just realize a total and complete misstatement regarding a publicly ava
70 DeltaMD90 : Nothing the EG-18G can't handle... I mean the EA-6B is still an amazing plane, but the EG-18G is even better Not even sure we'd go for the missile si
71 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : Guess who is helping the Jihadists? REPORT: The US Is Openly Sending Heavy Weapons From Libya To Syrian Rebels The Obama administration has decided to
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