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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

I haven't seen a thread about it yet (in fact football threads have been lacking on A.net this year) but I'm sure most of you living in North America are aware of the tragedy in Kansas City surrounding the murder/suicide of Jovan Belcher and his girlfriend on Saturday. For those if you overseas who don't know about this there are some links below.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/...-player-involved-in-shootings.html

http://www.freep.com/article/2012120...s-KC-police-say?odyssey=nav%7Chead

Also I want to say it now, this is not about gun control and the US gun culture!!!

I say this because this man was a linebacker and even though he was 25 Belcher took hits for probably 20 of those 25 years of his life. Unless proved wrong it is obvious there was mental health problems here which I think were because of hits to the head and concussions leading to brain damage.

Now there have been many stories of both the NFL and to a lesser extent the NHL from making their games safer because retired players are having issues but now even players younger than me like Belcher and even Sidney Crosby having serious side effects. As an avid fan of both hockey and football, hitting makes these games but how do we make it safe for them while allowing the hitting (may not be possible)??

Furthermore when a player is showing symptoms from Concussions how do we get them to be more open about it because there is a very real stigma with players that if they are at a risk for it they are out of a job. Because of this a lot of it gets shoved under the rug and you get situations like this.

Thoughts??


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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Get rid of the armor and it may get safer.


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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5732 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Thread starter):
I say this because this man was a linebacker and even though he was 25 Belcher took hits for probably 20 of those 25 years of his life.

I doubt he took hits at 5.

More like 10-12 years...

Quoting StarAC17 (Thread starter):
Unless proved wrong it is obvious there was mental health problems here

That's not how it works. Obviously, anyone who kills their girlfriend and then takes their own life is not right in the head, but to blame concussions without knowing anything about the guy is just ludicrous.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7959 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2021 times:

Has he actually had medical records of concussions and other forms of head injury? If not, then it should be ruled out. If his brain remained intact from the bullet, the coroner should do a brain scan to find other forms of damage.


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
I doubt he took hits at 5.

More like 10-12 years...

Fair point.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 2):
That's not how it works. Obviously, anyone who kills their girlfriend and then takes their own life is not right in the head, but to blame concussions without knowing anything about the guy is just ludicrous.

Concussions lead to mental health problems, we will have to wait until an autopsy is done and released but this guy is a linebacker in the NFL. He is getting hits to the head once a week for at the minimum 16 weeks a year.

Not blaming concussions entirely but it has been in the news in recent years, there has been many suicides with WWE wrestlers, football players and hockey players. The constant is that they all are involved with high impact sports that they get hit in the head.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Has he actually had medical records of concussions and other forms of head injury? If not, then it should be ruled out. If his brain remained intact from the bullet, the coroner should do a brain scan to find other forms of damage.

Not as of yet but from what I have listened to and read about concussions, you might not show symptoms ever. Also perhaps he kept it quiet because it could have costed him his job.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Thread starter):
Furthermore when a player is showing symptoms from Concussions how do we get them to be more open about it because there is a very real stigma with players that if they are at a risk for it they are out of a job.

You don't. These are grown men and will do what they want with their lives. Brian Urlacher openly said he'd try to cover up a concussion to try and remain in a game.

Youth sports is an entirely different ballgame and parents should be on guard for such things.

Quoting StarAC17 (Thread starter):
Because of this a lot of it gets shoved under the rug and you get situations like this.

It's too early to say whether brain damage had a part in this.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Has he actually had medical records of concussions and other forms of head injury? If not, then it should be ruled out.

Doesn't work that way. New information is coming out that repeated subconcussive hits can be damaging as well. Just because someone has not suffered from a concussion, or a recorded concussion since not all are detected and reported, does not mean they cannot have suffered brain damage.



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

I think to combat this there should actually be a lot of things done. I remember this year watching the Arizona-USC game when the Arizona quarterback got nailed in the head he was on the sideline throwing up and then was right back in the game. I personally am no medical expert but I did do football and wrestling in high school and got two concussions during my time in those sports, and nausea is one of the primary symptoms of a concussion.

I think that if any player reports or appears in any way to be concussed it should be a rule to be immediately tested. I know that in any schools that compete in IHSA you have to take a concussion baseline test as a requirement, so maybe those should become mandatory across the sports world so that they can do a faster test, something that could be quickly done in the locker room.

Another thing would be different equipment. I know that the there are certain football helmets that are designed and proven to give more protection against concussions, the Revolution series. I feel that modern technology could be used to move towards making better helmets.

And lastly, I think that the big hits need to stop being rewarded, and you also need to be unable to appeal the hitting a defenseless player fine so that the players will definitely think twice about hitting that player.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
And lastly, I think that the big hits need to stop being rewarded, and you also need to be unable to appeal the hitting a defenseless player fine so that the players will definitely think twice about hitting that player.

Those hits are given fines now and pretty much every week someone is getting a fined for a hit.

In terms of the NFL itself there are a lot of hits where the offensive player drops their heads and a hit that would have gone to the numbers becomes an helmet to helmet hit. Intent is hard to determine in that case.

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 7):
I think that if any player reports or appears in any way to be concussed it should be a rule to be immediately tested. I know that in any schools that compete in IHSA you have to take a concussion baseline test as a requirement, so maybe those should become mandatory across the sports world so that they can do a faster test, something that could be quickly done in the locker room.

Good Idea, also I think the culture needs to change where yo can not be cut because they have a concussion without compensation to help take the fear of losing ones job if they are open about it.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Doesn't work that way. New information is coming out that repeated subconcussive hits can be damaging as well. Just because someone has not suffered from a concussion, or a recorded concussion since not all are detected and reported, does not mean they cannot have suffered brain damage.

  

Low-level repeat head trauma leads to diffuse axonal injury, but slow and chronic. It also causes microbleeds and other issues. Because a lot of the hits are taken on the front of the head, which is where decision-making and planning occurs, violent behavior is a common result. OJ Simpson is a beautiful example. As is Michael Tyson.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Low-level repeat head trauma leads to diffuse axonal injury, but slow and chronic. It also causes microbleeds and other issues.

The thing is that the dialog mostly ignores this. The NFL puts their commercials out there with the actor in a lab coat telling parents that he's testing new equipment and kids learn to tackle properly and it's okay. And they have a ton of talk about concussions and concussion protocols but little about subconcussive hits.

The result is probably going to be a bit like an alcoholic who insists he's not hurting himself because he's never passed out drunk.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Apparently he wasn't brain dead enough to miss his target. It is a bunch of crap. No one is responsible for their actions anymore. It always comes down to an excuse, he intended to murder his girlfriend then himself. Case closed. American football, another American Icon is apparently on the hit list along with "Christmas Trees", Free speech and the 2nd amendment. What about hockey players?, Downhill speed skiing?. I've had four concussions and haven't shot anyone yet...can't afford the lawyers. Lastly, he was clear headed enough to thank the NFL for his opportunity to play Pro Ball. doesn't sound like his thought process was fogged or short circuited. Sounds more like he had a self control issue. Now that is typical in Pro Sports. Not just football.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
Apparently he wasn't brain dead enough to miss his target. It is a bunch of crap.

In this case I think that at best it is seriously jumping the gun to implicate brain injury as a contributing factor, seeing as Belcher apparently put his hand through a window in 2006. Not that he couldn't have had a damaged brain at that point, but to me that indicates a situation that is likely different from those of Junior Seau and Dave Duerson.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
American football, another American Icon is apparently on the hit list

I don't want to see the game watered down or changed.

But that doesn't change the fact that it can be very dangerous. People need to know the full risks and potential fallout from playing football and know as much as possible about how to mitigate those risks. Players, and their parents, should have as much information as possible to make the right decisions.

That said, football isn't going to die. I mean, people still smoke. Guys are still going to play football for their shot at glory and millions of dollars. Plenty of players will still make the decision to set their families up financially for generations even if it means shortening their lifespan.

Malcolm Gladwell stated that football may become like boxing and the military in that it is something middle class parents won't want their kids to do. (I'm not sure military demographics support that, but you get the idea) Football isn't going anywhere. You might see some drop in the number of players, perhaps some restrictions on younger players playing contact football, and other things but the game isn't going anywhere. One thing I've heard discussed is if football may be like hockey where it largely moves out from under the auspices schools, which face tighter budgets and may not want the potential liabilities.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
2nd amendment.

This case is a much better one for the pro-gun control crowd to discuss than the Aurora shootings for example. In that case you had an insane man hell bent on perpetrating a massacre. But with Belcher, if a gun was not readily available (I don't know where the gun may have come from) he may not have shot his girlfriend and himself in a fit of rage or depression. I haven't seen details as to what, if any, premeditation there may have been, but this seems like the more impulsive sort of violence that could have been averted with stricter gun laws.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
I've had four concussions and haven't shot anyone yet...

Brain injuries are a crapshoot, and that is generally true whether you've been in a car accident, been shot, or spent your life playing football. People react differently.

It's not just these violent outbursts or emotional instability. Brain injuries cause basic quality of life issues too, like Jim McMahon saying he walks into rooms and cannot remember why he went there at age 51.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
doesn't sound like his thought process was fogged or short circuited. Sounds more like he had a self control issue.

Probably. But whatever mental or emotional problems one may have, running into other people at high speed, generally head first, isn't going to help.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Malcolm Gladwell stated that football may become like boxing and the military in that it is something middle class parents won't want their kids to do. (I'm not sure military demographics support that, but you get the idea) Football isn't going anywhere. You might see some drop in the number of players, perhaps some restrictions on younger players playing contact football, and other things but the game isn't going anywhere. One thing I've heard discussed is if football may be like hockey where it largely moves out from under the auspices schools, which face tighter budgets and may not want the potential liabilities.

  

Even beyond the potential head injury issues are deeper social issues including the abuse of women by men, sexual irresponsibility, economic disadvantage, lack of good male role models and family structures, the culture of violence including an excessive use of guns too many of us live in, the culture within American Football and others.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

So, nobody answered me. Ever heard of rugby ?


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User currently onlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1933 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 4):
there has been many suicides with WWE wrestlers

The spike in WWE wrestler suicides is widely blamed on hormonal issues caused by long-term steroid use.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Just because someone has not suffered from a concussion, or a recorded concussion since not all are detected and reported

   Excellent point. One of my team trainers once told me that more than half (can't remember the exact statistic) of concussions go unnoticed by the players suffering from them, so it's rather difficult for the player to report them if they are unaware they have it.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
I've had four concussions and haven't shot anyone yet

Irrelevant. Eric Lindros shouldn't even be alive with number of concussions he's had, yet he functions rather well considering...whereas some like Sidney Crosby will suffer only a couple and have to sit out for a year from the post-concussion effects. As BMI727 said in an earlier post: "People react differently."

Quoting Aesma (Reply 14):
So, nobody answered me. Ever heard of rugby ?

Yep. I started playing it when I was 14 and stopped a couple summers ago. Made a lot of hospital trips along the way. Why do you ask?



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
One of my team trainers once told me that more than half (can't remember the exact statistic) of concussions go unnoticed by the players suffering from them, so it's rather difficult for the player to report them if they are unaware they have it.

There's the unnoticed ones, and then there's also the unreported ones.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
Eric Lindros shouldn't even be alive with number of concussions he's had, yet he functions rather well considering

He's not even forty yet. He may seem alright now, but when he's in his fifties and begins forgetting things that may change.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 11):
Apparently he wasn't brain dead enough to miss his target. It is a bunch of crap. No one is responsible for their actions anymore. It always comes down to an excuse, he intended to murder his girlfriend then himself. Case closed.

This isn't about not being able to function, its about hits to the head affecting the brain chemistry enough to change mental state. Also no where did anyone say he isn't responsible for his actions but I think its a safe assumption that someone who does something like this isn't right in the head.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 16):
He's not even forty yet. He may seem alright now, but when he's in his fifties and begins forgetting things that may change.

A family friend of mine has a friend who knows Lindros and he clsims he is struggling with very severe depression, as he gets older I don't see it getting any better.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 15):
Quoting Aesma (Reply 14):
So, nobody answered me. Ever heard of rugby ?

Yep. I started playing it when I was 14 and stopped a couple summers ago. Made a lot of hospital trips along the way. Why do you ask?

I think his point is that Rugby is just as violent as football but they are more conservative with the hitting because they don't have the gear that a football player has.



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User currently onlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1933 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
I think his point is that Rugby is just as violent as football but they are more conservative with the hitting because they don't have the gear that a football player has.

I know what his point is, I just want to hear someone try to convince me that one is safer than the other. I've played both sports at various levels and they're both dangerous in their own ways.

Personally, I've had worse injuries from rugby than I've had from football.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
A family friend of mine has a friend who knows Lindros and he clsims he is struggling with very severe depression, as he gets older I don't see it getting any better.

Considering what's happened to Dave Duerson and Junior Seau, that is not a good sign.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 17):
I think his point is that Rugby is just as violent as football but they are more conservative with the hitting because they don't have the gear that a football player has.

I think that one useful step might be playing more flag football at youth levels, either before they put on pads or slightly delaying when kids begin tackle football. The main value would be that it requires players to aim for the waist area rather than the head, which would hopefully persist with many players until their careers (usually high school) are over.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20336 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
In this case I think that at best it is seriously jumping the gun to implicate brain injury as a contributing factor, seeing as Belcher apparently put his hand through a window in 2006. Not that he couldn't have had a damaged brain at that point, but to me that indicates a situation that is likely different from those of Junior Seau and Dave Duerson.

It will never be possible to prove that chronic low-grade traumatic brain injury (TBI) is responsible. Even if an autopsy were to show such injury, that does not prove that it caused this behavior.

This man had been playing contact football probably since age 12. If he put his fist through a window at age 19, it could be that he already had some low-grade TBI (certainly possible after 7 years of football) or it might have shown that he already had poor impulse control by another mechanism (inborn). Either way, further chronic, low-grade TBI would further degrade his impulse control.

Now, there are two hypotheses:
1) Men who choose football, MMA, boxing, etc. as sports are inherently more likely to behave violently in general, which is why they favor such sports.

2) Men who play football, MMA, boxing, etc. sustain chronic low-grade TBI which leads to violent behavior.

It would be difficult at any point to exclude hypothesis (1). However, it can be shown that men who play football, MMA, boxing, etc. have a tendency to develop violent behavior that gets worse with age and duration of participation in the sport. This is in contrast to the normal pattern in young men who tend to calm down as they get older. This suggests that hypothesis (2) is correct while not excluding hypothesis (1). In fact, many football players will tell you that they like football because it allows them to hit other people in a socially acceptable setting.

In any one case, it is never possible to prove that low-grade, chronic TBI is responsible for a violent behavior. It is only possible to prove that it was *not* responsible if the autopsy is able to find intact brain tissue that does not show evidence of this kind of damage.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6926 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Yes my point was that rugby was more "civilized". It doesn't mean there are no injuries and I don't watch any collective sports so I wouldn't know for sure, but I don't hear about brain damage associated with the sport. In fact I have heard of football (soccer) associated with it, when hitting the ball with the head.


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User currently offlineStarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Belcher had history of violent relationships. Also looks as if he had a problem with alcohol as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...dra-Perkins.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Not saying that concussions were not a contributing factor, but the evidence may point otherwise.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15831 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1825 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 20):
It will never be possible to prove that chronic low-grade traumatic brain injury (TBI) is responsible. Even if an autopsy were to show such injury, that does not prove that it caused this behavior.

True, and apparently, unlike Duerson and Seau, Belcher shot himself in the head so it may be difficult or impossible to find damage to the brain, let alone determine whether it contributed to his behavior.

Also, Sports Illustrated is reporting that Belcher and his girlfriend owned several guns and would go shooting together. Kind of torpedoes the pro-gun crowd "If only she were armed" argument. Belcher joked with a friend a couple of days earlier about needing guns to deal with his now orphaned daughter's future boyfriends.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5651 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1791 times:

I won't get into the science, because, quite frankly, I don't feel like looking a bunch of stuff up, but I will relate some anecdotal stuff and lay out a hypothesis based on my observationsand experience. Anyone want to look at the data and prove or disprove, have a ball.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 1):
Get rid of the armor and it may get safer.


This, on it face, may seem a flippant remark (and maybe it is) but, I think there is some validity to it.

I think it stands to reason, that as football has evolved, so has the equipment. The equipment has probably become better at protecting its wearer, but, at the same time has made the wearer less able to judge what is going on. The wearer will then tend to hit harder or stay in the game longer because the hit just didn't "feel that hard".

Let me digress into my past a little bit to make a point.

Firefighters used to wear blue jeans, 3/4 boots and a trench coat made of leather, canvas or rubber. Consequently, entry into a burning structure was limited to rescues and very small fires (regardless of what you see in the movies). As bunker gear has developed, the firefighter is able to go further into a structure, not only to effect rescue, but for fire suppression in support of property protection.

During rapid intervention training (basically, firefighter rescue) it was drilled into our heads that firefighters are going deeper because they don't feel the heat and are unable to gauge when conditions are getting untenable. And, the difference between tenable and untenable is just a couple of seconds.

Are more firefighters getting hurt/killed because they are unable to gauge conditions, I really don't know. But, can you see where better gear and equipment can cause more injury?

Back to football: can better or more equipment be a contributing factor increased brain injury? I certainly think it bears looking into to.

I leave you with one more thought on the matter: when someone is in a car wreck, the internal organs, especially the brain, suffer more than one impact. The initial impact (and sudden stop) with the seat belt or the steering wheel (as the case may be). Then, when "you" stop moving, your brain keeps moving and then hits your skull, rebounds and hits the back of your skull. I fail to see how a helmet prevents the harder hits from causing this same rebounding.



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25 Post contains images DocLightning : The helmet spreads the force out around the cranium, which helps to prevent cranial fracture. It also gives the skull a bit of extra deceleration roo
26 StarAC17 : There has been talk on adding Kevlar into the helmets to give the skull more room to de-accelerate reducing concussive hits. IIRC James Harrison was
27 DocLightning : I don't see how that will make much of a difference. A helmet is of a given size. When the helmet stops, the head inside that helmet has an inch or s
28 BMI727 : Watching PTI, or anything on ESPN really, is something one should do in moderation and with a massive dose of skepticism and probably disdain as well
29 WestJet747 : That's true, I've had two major concussions from playing rugby, so it does happen, but you don't typically hear about brain damage associated with th
30 Post contains images DocLightning : Yes, but brains are expensive, too. Well, that explains an awful lot.
31 Post contains images WestJet747 : Touché. But having coached kids football, I can't help but worry about the cost. Many kids in urban areas are only able to play football because of
32 fr8mech : Kind of bolsters my point. If equipment is getting better at diffusing the impact, the equipment can get smaller and the player can continue to absor
33 BMI727 : NFL teams aren't really the issue. Those are grown men who should know the risks and if they wish to take them, and get paid handsomely for it, it's
34 StarAC17 : I didn't pay any heed to what they said on this issue but I assume the headline was accurate that a prominent NFL defensive player was working with m
35 BMI727 : They can work with whomever they want, but the only real solution is to not have people slamming into each other at full speed. When it comes to coll
36 StarAC17 : Which you have to learn at a younger age, also you can ram them at full speed but go for the numbers. The head hits are what we are trying to stop. I
37 Post contains links kiwiinoz : It's an interesting topic. Possibly related to the muder-suicide in the US, the Rugby Association is wanting greater focus on the issue: http://www.nz
38 BMI727 : There's actually a pretty good case to be made that the more wide open modern game contributes to damaging hits. Quarterbacks are throwing more and r
39 WestJet747 : I'm not really disagreeing with that in a general sense. I was just voicing my opinion to your question within the context of head injuries. In my ex
40 fr8mech : I watch quite a bit of elementary school football around here and, from what I've seen, the coaches and referees do a great job of keeping the kids i
41 BMI727 : It could be that increasing the size of the field would make big hits less common. The main change in football over the last few decades has been pla
42 fr8mech : Agreed. Much like the spike in autism diagnosis, I think we have better tools and have broadened the definition of the conditions, therefore increasi
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