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UN: Asks Israel To Open Nuclear Program  
User currently onlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3955 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 10 months 21 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

UN calls on Israel to open nuclear program for inspection, backs talks on nuke-free Mideast

All the Arab nations and Iran had planned to attend the conference in mid-December in Helsinki, Finland, but the United States announced on Nov. 23 that it wouldn't take place, citing political turmoil in the region and Iran's defiant stance on nonproliferation. Iran and some Arab nations countered that the real reason for the cancellation was Israel's refusal to attend.

The resolution, approved by a vote of 174-6 with 6 abstentions, calls on Israel to join the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty "without further delay" and open its nuclear facilities to inspection by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Those voting "no" were Israel, the U.S., Canada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

Resolutions adopted by the 193-member General Assembly are not legally binding but they do reflect world opinion and carry moral and political weight.


Read more here:

http://news.yahoo.com/un-calls-israe...am-inspection-backs-054333091.html


Something tells me that we're not gonna see Israel do this anytime soon .... But the UN and world opinion is on a roll here ...

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User currently offlinesanti319 From Mexico, joined Dec 2005, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

I guess in a way the world finally is waking up against Israel's unfairness.

User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Those voting "no" were Israel, the U.S., Canada, Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

Reading these countries' names in reference to the U.S. and Israel always makes me chuckle.

If everybody is against me I might be doing something right.

If everybody is against me I might be doing something wrong, too.

Knowing the difference makes you a wise guy.   



David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Something tells me that we're not gonna see Israel do this anytime soon ...

There is no way Israel will ever allow UN inspector in their nuclear facilities. Not Dimona or anywhere.
Iran have opened their facilities to UN inspectors. I don't expect the same will apply with Israel.

Israel: "Do as I say but don't do as I do".

 Wow!



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Marshall Islands, Micronesia and Palau.

They have replaced Britain, France and Germany LOL! It would be something if Canada drops out too and its place taken by Guam.


User currently offlinepowerslide From Canada, joined Oct 2010, 570 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger. Only way that will happen is if its facing destruction or as a last resort. Iran on the other hand has idiots in government who have on numerous occasions called for the destruction of Israel. Iran must not get a bomb and I hope Israel eventually destroys their programs.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
UN calls on Israel to open nuclear program for inspection, backs talks on nuke-free Mideast

With groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda running around chanting death to Israel, that won't happen.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger.

Wiping who, what, where from the map? Oh, you mean Israel Samson option...

Samson option: Israel's alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.

138 UN members voted for Palestine and now 174 votes to Israel nuclear transparency... things are changing at high speed.

     



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger.

Israel barely acknowledges it has nuclear weapons.

As for Iran, it has never threatened anyone with weapons it doesn't possess.



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 19 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
With groups like Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda running around chanting death to Israel, that won't happen.

  

Surely this must be a joke...

It'll be a cold day in hell before we appease the Arab league by throwing Israel under the bus. When Iran and Co. decide to play nice, then the idea of a "nuke-free" Israel might be taken seriously. As long as there are nations, and their proxy forces, who refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, this matter is off the table completely.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
but they do reflect world opinion and carry moral and political weight.

  

This vote proves that the UN is just as spineless as the League of Nations was prior to WW2. It's come down to the wire with Iran, and the international community thinks it's a novel idea to achieve peace through appeasement. We all know how that worked out in the past, don't we?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Iran have opened their facilities to UN inspectors.

Not all of them, just the ones they want the IAEA to see.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger.

Just the mere fact that they have them is clearly threatening to all the other nations in the Middle East.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 9):

Hardly. If that was true, there would be a huge nuclear arms race in the ME right now. The only other nation in the Middle East that currently has nukes is Pakistan, and that has nothing to do with Israel. The only members of the Arab league that "feel threatened" by it are those who don't acknowledge Israel's right to exist. Coincidence? I think not. The fact that this issue hasn't come up prior to Iran's nuclear development speaks volumes about how spineless the UN has become.



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User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger.

This really isn't a point. Neither has Mr. Hussein threatened the world before the "Coalition of the Willing" attacked Iraq about ten years ago.

The premise of the war was IAEA inspectors not being able to check Iraq's nuclear facilities.


To restore sanity, we should use any means necessary against Israel.


Signed,

David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7299 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

So if the Arab nations are willing to attend a non-proliferaton conference with Israel, does Israel then use such an occasion to stand with all these member state representative and declare that they now accept Israel as a nation?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Samson option: Israel's alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.

Sounds like MAD, must have gotten that from the USA and NATO who had nukes as their first line in defense of the European empire against the Red tide coming from the east.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 12):
To restore sanity, we should use any means necessary against Israel.

What about Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas?



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting par13del (Reply 13):
So if the Arab nations are willing to attend a non-proliferaton conference with Israel, does Israel then use such an occasion to stand with all these member state representative and declare that they now accept Israel as a nation?

No, this is an unnecessary diversion. Israel does not need be recognized as a nation by any other country.

We just want a world where everybody in possession of nuclear weapons is regularly checked by the IAEA.

An even playing field between all the countries in the middle east will make an official recognition of Israel as a state much more probable, though.

The strategy called "First you do X, then I will do a favour" has been tried time and again. It has failed.



David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5751 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 10):

Pakistan is not part of Middle East by any definition.


User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):

Easy. The 6th U.S. fleet will shell Jerusalem, and the 5th U.S. fleet will do the same against Tehran.

It's the sense of unfair treatment that stirs anger against Israel.



David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 17 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 15):
Israel does not need be recognized as a nation by any other country.

No dice.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 15):
We just want a world where everybody in possession of nuclear weapons is regularly checked by the IAEA.

Every nation in the general assembly knows the score. They all know what the real intention was behind that motion.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 15):
An even playing field between all the countries in the middle east will make an official recognition of Israel as a state much more probable, though.

Are you really that naive?



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineflyingturtle From Switzerland, joined Oct 2011, 2435 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 18):
Are you really that naive?

No. I'm just not willing to take an U.S. or an Israeli perspective. And I'm not using the Iranian too, for that matter.

Then tell me the reason why all the intellectuals and great minds of the world have not been able to solve the Middle East problem. We've had time since 1948 - and even more than that!

Something must have been gone wrong. Horribly wrong.


David



Keeping calm is terrorism against those who want to live in fear.
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
But the UN and world opinion is on a roll here ...

And about time too.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Iran have opened their facilities to UN inspectors. I don't expect the same will apply with Israel.

Welcome to the world of "double standards" of Ok for some, just not for others  
Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Israel has never threatened to use its nuclear weapons in anger.

So what ?

The problem here Powerslide, is that Israel has them. If its ok for Israel, then its ok for Iran IMHO.

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
Iran on the other hand has idiots in government

One could argue the same about Israeli Government too, rum by scheming dishonest maniacs.

Quoting powerslide (Reply 5):
that won't happen.

I thought we'd been through this before.....?

Never say something "wont" happen.

You were probably one of those people, who figured the world sentiment would never tire of Israel, and the games she plays, well it sure looks that way now. with ever increasing momentum.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 8):
When Iran and Co.

Takes 2 to play nice. or is Israel exempt from that rule ?

Quoting TheCol (Reply 8):
This vote proves that the UN is just as spineless as the League of Nations was prior to WW2. It's come down to the wire with Iran, and the international community thinks it's a novel idea to achieve peace through appeasement. We all know how that worked out in the past, don't we?

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not TheCol, sentiments and attitudes in how the world deals with ME problems, this are changing and changing fast. Israel will continue to come under pressure, and right so.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 8):
Not all of them, just the ones they want the IAEA to see.

Just as was the case with Israel... Right ????

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):
What about Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Lets just deal with Israel first shall we

Quoting TheCol (Reply 18):
They all know what the real intention was behind that motion.

And that is ?



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User currently offlinepowerslide From Canada, joined Oct 2010, 570 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
138 UN members voted for Palestine and now 174 votes to Israel nuclear transparency... things are changing at high speed.

Ok so then what. The UN doesn't have the capacity to do anything other than whine and complain, we have covered this. It doesn't matter what they THINK, it matters what the DO. Basically, only the US has the power to project force around the world and until that changes the UN is a useless entity for the riff raff nations to justify a meaning on the world stage. Only the countries of NATO do any meaningful force projection around the world. Whether you agree with it or not.

Quoting TheCol (Reply 14):
What about Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and Hamas?

Some members of this forum justify their existence because of Israel's policies. Spineless really.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 17):
It's the sense of unfair treatment that stirs anger against Israel.

I think the Arab nations should sort themselves and their own internal matters first before going off and complaining about Israel. They have all the money in the world to build a decent society for themselves, but in the end they are blaming their problems on the Jews. I believe its jealously.

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 19):
Then tell me the reason why all the intellectuals and great minds of the world have not been able to solve the Middle East problem.

Religion.


User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2695 times:

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 19):
Then tell me the reason why all the intellectuals and great minds of the world have not been able to solve the Middle East problem. We've had time since 1948 - and even more than that!

Because the international community, as a whole, has never been willing to sacrifice their political and economic interests for peace. Unfortunately human life and dignity isn't worth much in the Middle East. That has been a regional problem as long as anyone can remember, and the international community is more than happy to benefit from it by prolonging the status quo.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Some are playing fast and loose with the facts in this thread. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but not their own facts.

To Reply 3: in fact, Israel did permit IAEA inspectors access to Dimona in the 80s. But they ran a game on the inspectors by constructing a phony control room and reprocessing centre to make it appear Dimona is much smaller than it actually is, hence fewer nukes.

To Reply 5: Israel doesn't need to sabre rattle w.r.t. the nuclear weapons it possesses. The mere fact of their existence poses a threat to any nation in the region.

To Reply 7: Israel does not barely mention the existence of their nuclear deterrent force, they dont mention it at all. This doctrine is callled "nuclear opacity".

To Reply 10: there is a nuclear arms race in the ME. Iran is clearly pursuing one. It is thought Turkey and SA have technology programs in place to give them that option, and Egypt under Mubarak the same. Pretty soon the world will have about forty-six nuclear powers.

To Reply 13, Israel is already recognized by Egypt and Jordan. Even Hamas has tacitly agreed to recognize the 1967 boundary.

To Reply 18, so, then, you agree with the principle that human rights can be violated, international law can be violated, with impunity, that this is a goodthing ?

Israel needs to adhere to the same standards as the great majority of nations. The sooner they do, the sooner this issue could be resolved. Ejecting Bibi would be a good start.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6688 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 16 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Quoting powerslide (Reply 21):
Only the countries of NATO do any meaningful force projection around the world.

Russia seems to be projecting fine, and China just launched its first carrier. As for nuclear weapons, there are many on board of many nation's submarines.

May I remind you that most of NATO's nations did vote for this UN resolution ?

There was a time Israeli's air force flew Mirages, Mystères, Ouragans, Vautours. There was a time France was helping Israel start its nuclear program.

Now we voted many times in a row against Israel. How times change !



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 15 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
Whether you want to acknowledge it or not TheCol, sentiments and attitudes in how the world deals with ME problems, this are changing and changing fast. Israel will continue to come under pressure, and right so.

Yeah, everyone saw this coming a long time ago. The international community is pretty predictable about how they handle growing threats from countries like Iran. About as predictable as they were in the 1930's.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Israel needs to adhere to the same standards as the great majority of nations. The sooner they do, the sooner this issue could be resolved.

The real intent behind motion, and why our country voted no, isn't simply to do with IAEA inspections. There's a bigger political game being played here.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
To Reply 10: there is a nuclear arms race in the ME. Iran is clearly pursuing one. It is thought Turkey and SA have technology programs in place to give them that option, and Egypt under Mubarak the same. Pretty soon the world will have about forty-six nuclear powers.

Israel has had nuclear weapons since the 1970's, and yet we haven't seen the rest of the Middle East arm themselves to the hilt. Then all of a sudden this becomes an issue over 30 years later when Iran decides to make a power play by flexing their muscles by proxy and starting their own nuclear program. This seems to point more to Iran than it does Israel. Why don't you ask Saudi Arabia and Jordan who they are more concerned about? Last time I checked, they weren't looking in Israel's direction.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
Even Hamas has tacitly agreed to recognize the 1967 boundary.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 23):
To Reply 18, so, then, you agree with the principle that human rights can be violated, international law can be violated, with impunity, that this is a goodthing?

I don't follow. That wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 20):
Lets just deal with Israel first shall we

And maybe Iran will back off their nuclear program, and the whole world will be saved...

Yeah, that won't happen.



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25 Post contains images flyingturtle : Exaaaactly, that's the mindset we need. First ask the other person to do some good things, then it's my turn. Really, that's the way how you build tr
26 Mortyman : Yes and Norway provided the heavy water in the beginning and also some technical equipment ...
27 Aesma : Actually the resolution's history dates back 30 years too, and there was already a winning vote in 2009. As for why other countries didn't arm themse
28 Post contains images TheCommodore : Powerslide, its also spineless and stupid not to recognize that Israels policies will only lead to, and cause more and more aggression towards Israel
29 par13del : Ok, the Palestinians seemed to think that recognition however partial in the UN was something substantial. During the cold war when many of the great
30 Post contains links Mortyman : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#Norway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_nuclear_program Norway got about half of the heavy water back fro
31 Post contains images damirc : As usually in all things Middle East this one is as convoluted as it gets It was the British that provided the heavy water for Dimona, Noratom (a Nor
32 Mortyman : Noratom was directly involved in the supply of heavy water to Israel's nuclear program. Protocols from 1958 shows that the Norwegian Labour party und
33 Post contains links and images damirc : I am not disputing that Just pointing out that nothing is easy or normal in the Middle East. That sale I was refering: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/pro
34 DeltaMD90 : So wait, the jist of this whole situation is not to disarm Israel, it's just letting inspectors in? Did I get that right? What is the outrage in that?
35 lewis : First, Israel will need to admit to having nukes. Second, Israel will have to agree to do what the international community requests it to do (some so
36 DeltaMD90 : Big whoop? What do you think this would be? I hate the fact that more countries are trying to acquire nukes, but I do have to admit, it is a major de
37 lewis : It is for Israel, apparently! Silly, considering that the world knows that Israel has nuclear weapons and they still refrain from confirming it. I wo
38 DeltaMD90 : If worse came to worse, I'm sure they would use it. A country with some radiation is better than no country at all. At the very least, I don't think
39 Post contains images TheCommodore : I am not the biggest fan of Iran by any means, but If other countries have nukes, you can hardly say no to them can you ? Unfortunately for Israel, t
40 lewis : I am sure all the settlers that have moved to Israel to find security will be thrilled to know that!
41 DeltaMD90 : Why else would they have nukes?
42 lewis : Because it makes them feel secure, even though using them would probably not be very safe for Israel either. Call me crazy, but I do not see why some
43 jetblueguy22 : I would say you can absolutely say no. This isn't a group of kids bringing in cupcakes and having to share them with the class. It is a major weapon
44 Post contains images TheCommodore : Stable for how long, and who says a nation is stable ? What if a nation is stable today and not tomorrow ? I can't see how we can have it both ways,
45 777way : Shame on them if true.[Edited 2012-12-04 17:55:02]
46 damirc : Very good questions. However we put it - the only risk is if a suicidal regime gets the nukes. Suicidal in the sense it doesn't care/mind if they get
47 jetblueguy22 : I think it can be determined by the UN. Now I'm not the biggest fan of the UN, but if the rest of the world can determine the country is unfit the nu
48 SOBHI51 : Why, does a country looks for danger from one place only? Nope, they should keep there eyes open on all sources of danger.
49 777way : But seeking help from Israel is the ultimate low for Saudi.
50 DeltaMD90 : Why? Heaven forbid we start getting past this mess
51 par13del : They have faith and believe in the nation, they had faith in Germany many years ago and see where that got them they also lived in a number of other
52 Post contains images TheCommodore : Because they have backed nothing but loser's, that's why. Would you keep putting money on a horse if it keeps loosing ? I can only but ......
53 777way : Why? for one they hate Arabs, two they are considered worse enemies than other non-Islamic religions, three a muslim state seeing what they are doing
54 par13del : I choose to believe they actually believe in the democracy stuff they keep pushing, when you look at Europe today and what it was after the end of WW
55 DeltaMD90 : Hopefully decent humans can look past race, religion, and historical grievances. Um that's racism, sorry. If a country has grievances with Israel, th
56 777way : Hmmm...and use an enemy to help them in some imaginary threat from a fellow muslim country, its our religion that is attemtpting to make us decent hu
57 DeltaMD90 : I have nothing against Islam, and I know it can be a very peaceful religion. But just as there were barbaric Christian nations in the past (luckily m
58 powerslide : SA doesn't want a nuclear Iran any more than Israel does. It changes the balance of power in the region and they don't want that. Publicly they will
59 ltbewr : The USA government probably knows plenty of the Israeli Nuclear programs, but they won't talk or allow Israel to talk. Yes, this is a good and proper
60 Post contains links Quokkas : Human life and dignity are relatively new concepts outside the Middle East too. By themselves GDP figures don't give a complete picture but they can
61 SOBHI51 : Where did you get such stupid information? Please check your sources properly and don't believe everything you read. I do not need to justify anythin
62 TheCommodore : Of US tax payer dollars. I think that very much depends on which way the wind is blowing and on what day..... Israel plays games, games that are not
63 par13del : So in general we believe that a peace treaty was signed between Egypt and Israel because POTUS told them to, bribed them with threat of money or lack
64 Post contains links connies4ever : SA's principal focus strategically is Iran, always has been, and is the driver in their interest in a nuclear program. Fellow I used to work with is
65 Mortyman : I belave it was France, Norway and the UK. How was the US involved ?
66 connies4ever : Under Eisenhower, the US gave the Israelis a nod and a wink to establishing them as the regional superpower. The Israeli effort began under Ben Gurio
67 Post contains links and images TheCol : The alleged premise behind the motion goes a bit further than that. Remember the UN's playbook, adopted from their predecessors prior to WW2, for def
68 SOBHI51 : For civilian purposes Yes, Nukes absolutely NO
69 connies4ever : Having the technical ability is the primary first goal. A very short-sighted view, IMHO. I would simply note that Iran's current form of government h
70 TheCol : The same was said of Germany in 1938, Japan before that, and every other belligerent party we've rolled over for or tried to pay off since then. Nort
71 connies4ever : I'll agree with you likely not. However, putting the financial screws to Israel will. Israel as we know it cannot exist without a lot of largesse fro
72 par13del : Coupled with the threat from its neighbours, they go hand in hand. Sanctions have not prevented Iran nor South Korea from pursuing neclear ambitions,
73 bhill : I think the countries that attended that conference should look in the mirror and work to fix why the threat exists. Namely poor, poverty stricken cit
74 Tupolev160 : I am impressed to see here the Canadian members supporting Israel in a more fanatic way than any other country. I guess the mix of brainwashing+ignora
75 777way : How do we know they are not Israeli's or even Americans hiding behind false flags? to make it seem to the rest of us that Canada is their new supporte
76 Tupolev160 : They are talking that Iran shouldn't have nukes because "the regime is unstable" (the regime is quite stable in my opinion since 1979). But then, you
77 Quokkas : And Iran could argue the same, despite it being subject to a fatwa banning the production of nuclear weapons. OK, I am not all that much into fatwas
78 777way : If a country has nukes, why do they try to hide it or not sign the NPT?
79 Post contains images TheCol : Wow, talk about totally missing the mark. I suggest you go back, read my comments again, and give it another shot.
80 Quokkas : You chose to place Iran in the same category as Germany in 1938. Perhaps you could be more clear as I can see very little comparison between the two.
81 TheCol : I used Germany, between 1938 to September 1939, as one of many examples of poor international policy. I made my point very clear in the numerous post
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