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BMW 4-Series Revealed  
User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Yes, it's called a "concept", but recent history tells us that these "close to release" BMW concepts are what the final product will look like.

So here you go:

http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/4/f32/concept/905am63/exterior/P90108556-highRes.jpg
http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/4/f32/concept/905am63/exterior/P90108562-highRes.jpg
http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/4/f32/concept/905am63/exterior/P90108563-highRes.jpg
http://www.f30post.com/goodiesforyou/4/f32/concept/905am63/interiorpics/P90108560-highRes.jpg

I'm not sure the 3 series coupe needed a new model number, but aside from that, I absolutely love it.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
I'm not sure the 3 series coupe needed a new model number

I don't feel strongly about it. But for God's sake fix the rest of their numbering system. The 335i has a 3.0L engine and 328i has a 2.0L engine, while the 330d has a 3.0L one. And get rid of the "i" already. Engines have been fuel injected for three decades, it's not worth advertising anymore.

The car itself looks very good, despite the rather blatant ripoff of the Panamera with the side vent. The 3/4 series I'm most interested in is the Grand Turismo.



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7953 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
I'm not sure the 3 series coupe needed a new model number

Well, it makes some sense because the series 5 coupé is called "6".



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User currently offlineaero145 From Iceland, joined Jan 2005, 3071 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
I don't feel strongly about it. But for God's sake fix the rest of their numbering system. The 335i has a 3.0L engine and 328i has a 2.0L engine, while the 330d has a 3.0L one. And get rid of the "i" already. Engines have been fuel injected for three decades, it's not worth advertising anymore.

I wholeheartedly agree. Other examples, for example the E39 5-series: The 520i originally had a 2-litre engine, the facelift had a 2.2-litre engine; the 540i had a 4.4-litre engine.
While we’re at it:

Mercedes-Benz E-Class W211:
· E200CDI had the same 2.2-litre engine block as the E220CDI
· E280CDI and E320CDI had the same 3-litre engine block as the E300CDI
· E63 AMG had a 6.2-litre engine

Now it’s worse though. C-Class W204:
· C180 has a 1.6-litre engine
· C200 and C250 both have a 1.8-litre engine

S-Class W221:
· S600 has a 5.5-litre engine
· S65 AMG has a 6-litre engine
· S63 AMG had a 6.2-litre engine, now it’s a 5.5-litre

E-Class W212:
· S500 had a 5.5-litre engine, now it has got a 4.7-litre engine

--

Utterly annoying and a sad change from the sense-making nomenclature!


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 8 hours ago) and read 2549 times:

Quoting aero145 (Reply 3):
E63 AMG had a 6.2-litre engine

That one made some sense due to the fact that they wanted to draw on the heritage of the 300SEL 6.3, not unlike how I'm sure Ford loves having a 5.0 badge on the side of the Mustang GT. It got ridiculous once they dropped back to a 5.5 liter twin-turbo engine and kept the 63 name.

Quoting aero145 (Reply 3):
S500 had a 5.5-litre engine, now it has got a 4.7-litre engine

In the US they did change the name from S500 to S550 when the engine grew to 5.5 liters, but like the AMG models did not change it again when the engine got smaller.

The E350 with the gasoline engine actually is 3.5 liters, while the diesel E350 BlueTec is only 3.0.

Somebody has to bring some sanity back into this.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8228 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Nice looking, but how about a 4 door? More practical with kids or grandkids. Safer also with kids and grandkids.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Nice looking, but how about a 4 door? More practical with kids or grandkids. Safer also with kids and grandkids.

The car you're looking for then would be the 3-series sedan which is already on sale.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 6 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Nice looking, but how about a 4 door?

Already done, or you could also wait for the Gran Turismo version.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 2443 times:
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Now would this "4" Series Coupe be a little bigger than the 3 Series? I'm a big guy and cannot afford a 5 or 6 Series and I like coupes!!!

Thanks,

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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7496 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

Greeaaaaaat....now more d-bags in Scottsdale have a faster car to drive   

BRB tuning up my Honda so I can outrun these fools  
Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Nice looking, but how about a 4 door? More practical with kids or grandkids. Safer also with kids and grandkids.

Do you honestly think that's safe????  



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User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
But for God's sake fix the rest of their numbering system. The 335i has a 3.0L engine and 328i has a 2.0L engine, while the 330d has a 3.0L one. And get rid of the "i" already. Engines have been fuel injected for three decades, it's not worth advertising anymore.

Not gonna happen. They would have to get rid of quite a few models to achieve that, as for example the 316d, 318d and 320d all have a 2 liter engine.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
Nice looking, but how about a 4 door? More practical with kids or grandkids. Safer also with kids and grandkids.

Aside from the already-mentioned regular 3 series there will likely be a 4 series "gran coupe", which will be a 4 door version of the 4. Confusing, but you can blame the people who bought the Mercedes CLS and A5 Sportback for that.

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 8):
Now would this "4" Series Coupe be a little bigger than the 3 Series? I'm a big guy and cannot afford a 5 or 6 Series and I like coupes!!!

Doubt it. If you don't fit into a F30 3 series, you'll most likely won't fit into this one either.


User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Stunning car.
Well done BMW. I really like their style.
The 6 series Gran Tour is another fantastic car from an esthetic point of view.
I still think that big cars with big thirsty engines are a slap in the face of the economy
and the environment but I can appreciate the design.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

A 3-series Coupé with computer game aesthetics inspired details. Thats what I see. Not bad though, as Steman says, inspired by the awesome Gran Coupé.

Quoting steman (Reply 11):
I still think that big cars with big thirsty engines are a slap in the face of the economy
and the environment but I can appreciate the design.

It depends. I agree if you talk about mass cars like the 7-series and the S-Class which also do a lot of mileage. But I absolutely disagree if you should include rarities like Ferrari of Rolls-Royce in your verdict. You´ll be surprised to know that the average Rolls consumes less fuel than the average VW Golf or even Toyota Prius - in a year that is. And the average Rolls lasts an incredible 50 years or so. If anything, people who drive a lot no matter what car are a slap in the face of the environment, not the car type itself.


User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

@na,

you have a point there.
And it´s Gran Coupé, not Gran Tour. I keep on getting that wrong. Thanks for clarification.

In a time in which cars from any manufacturer look the same, it´s good to find one that makes
you turn your head when it drives by.

I particularly like the aggressive face of the 3- and 4-series. It reminds me of snarling wolf.
And the side view shows great proportions too.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

Quoting steman (Reply 13):
n a time in which cars from any manufacturer look the same, it´s good to find one that makes
you turn your head when it drives by.

I particularly like the aggressive face of the 3- and 4-series. It reminds me of snarling wolf.
And the side view shows great proportions too.

BMW currently has the best design in Germany though the family look policy is becoming a bit tight recently, the 5- and 3-series being too similar for my taste. I dont hope in 5 years time they end up where Audi is now where almost everything is just the same in different sizes.


User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1382 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

I actually have problems in making out the 5 from the 7 but I find the newest 3 has a very
strong personality.
I am no big fan of their SUV, but then again, I don´t like SUVs.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3303 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2290 times:
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Quoting racko (Thread starter):
I'm not sure the 3 series coupe needed a new model number, but aside from that, I absolutely love it.

I think the new numbering makes sense. The old 3-series coupe was built on a different chassis (and different production line) than the 3-series sedan anyway, so splitting them into two product lines made sense. And, despite the ridiculous number of models we'll now have (3 series, 3-GT, 4-series, 4-GC) it aligns better with the 5/6-series models (5-series, 5-GT, 6-series, 6-GC).

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
The 3/4 series I'm most interested in is the Grand Turismo.

Funny, I think the GT models from BMW are among the world's most hideous cars in production (along with the 1-series, 2-series, X6, Honda Crosstour, Merc G-wagon, and the Hyundai Veloster).

Quoting fridgmus (Reply 8):
Now would this "4" Series Coupe be a little bigger than the 3 Series? I'm a big guy and cannot afford a 5 or 6 Series and I like coupes!!!

Yes, the 3-series coupe was always longer, wider, and lower than the 3-series sedan, and this follows suit. It's several inches wider, a few inches lower, and almost half-a-foot longer.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
BRB tuning up my Honda so I can outrun these fools

That's my goal in tuning my car: outrun a stock BMW M3. I'm already beating 335s easily.

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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2434 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Never been a Beemer fan, but I gotta admit, that's pretty sharp.


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2261 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Greeaaaaaat....now more d-bags in Scottsdale have a faster car to drive   

BRB tuning up my Honda so I can outrun these fools

There are some races where even if you win, you're still a loser.

BMWs have a high asshat rating, but it still isn't nearly up to rice rocket levels.

Quoting racko (Reply 10):
Not gonna happen. They would have to get rid of quite a few models to achieve that, as for example the 316d, 318d and 320d all have a 2 liter engine.

True, but I don't see why they couldn't. They don't need the 335i and 335is to use different numbers, and those two don't differ by enough to necessarily be a different model. The 335is could be essentially a $7000 sport package.

Quoting steman (Reply 11):
I still think that big cars with big thirsty engines are a slap in the face of the economy
and the environment but I can appreciate the design.

Then don't buy it. But let the rest of us have our guilt-free automotive fun.

Quoting steman (Reply 13):
And it´s Gran Coupé, not Gran Tour. I keep on getting that wrong. Thanks for clarification.

They are different body styles, but the 3/4 series will be getting both with the Gran Turismo most likely being a 3 series and the Gran Coupe a 4. Camouflaged test mules of both have been spotted.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 16):
Funny, I think the GT models from BMW are among the world's most hideous cars in production

It's not a good looking car by any stretch, but I imagine it's immensely useful. The 3 series Gran Turismo appears to be a better looking car.



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User currently offlinewagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2248 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 9):
Greeaaaaaat....now more d-bags in Scottsdale have a faster car to drive

Not really, its just the 3 series coupe being marketed as a different name now. BMW has seen fit to call the 3 series coupe, convertible and one other I can't remember the 4 series now. So in reality the 3 series will just be the sedan and wagon I believe. I've heard there will be an M4, but I'm not sure if that means there will be no M3.

Oh, and this d-bag will be happy to lease a 435i convert when the lease is up on my 2012 335i.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2172 times:

Quoting steman (Reply 15):
but then again, I don´t like SUVs.

You mean SUV = Super Unnecessary Vehicle? Right then, as most SUVs in Germany are being used by mums driving their kids to school anyway. Its a truly ridiculous trend in the automobile industry I fail to understand too.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7953 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting wagz (Reply 19):
Not really, its just the 3 series coupe being marketed as a different name now.

Which means "more exclusivity" (at least from a marketing point of view), which means they can demand higher prices, which means higher revenue, which leads to happy stockholders.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

If the next 3-series Coupé is called 4-series it just means they can charge 2000 or 3000 Euros more or so without delivering anything for it.

User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting wagz (Reply 19):
I've heard there will be an M4, but I'm not sure if that means there will be no M3.

Most likely there will both be an M3 (sedan) as well as an M4 (coupe, convertible, gran coupe).


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 23):
Most likely there will both be an M3 (sedan) as well as an M4 (coupe, convertible, gran coupe).

That's pretty much in line with what I've seen, although I've seen rumors that they will go back to six cylinder engines, which is a move I'm all in favor of. We've already seen an M6 Gran Coupe, so I'd imagine an M4 Gran Coupe is a pretty safe bet.

I for one am a fan of the "four door coupes" although the current Mercedes CLS doesn't look quite as good as the last one. The A7 is the best looking four door Audi makes, and the Panamera could have looked better if they'd been a little less practical with the roofline but I do love their Sport Turismo version.



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25 na : Spot-on 100%. The four-door Coupé is actually my favourite bodystyle. I only wish someone would offer one thats not in the unaffordable luxury-class
26 ANITIX87 : Amen. Oops. So is my car's average of 18mpg not acceptable to you? Amen! Forced induction, manual transmission, a huge excess of power and torque, an
27 na : Its rather ugly at least seen from the front, yes, but its not a 4d-Coupé at all, its a hatchback with high chassis. I´d sign that, the Rapide is a
28 Newark727 : I have boring tastes admittedly but I don't really understand what was wrong with the sedan body style that automakers needed to go on a "four-door co
29 aero145 : Especially when one looks back and sees the R230 SL55 AMG which definitely had a 5.5-litre engine AND was an AMG!
30 tugger : Just curious, but doesn't the engine often change for the various international markets? I could really understand it then, they make a model series
31 Post contains images Aesma : I never thought of the 6 series as a 5 coupe for this very reason, it is so much more expensive than a base 5 series ! I don't like or need rear door
32 racko : So buy a VW Sharan or something like that. And unless you are transporting 6 kids all the time it can be a lot more efficient to drive with 2 normal
33 tugger : How does one person drive two cars at once? How does one tow a trailer to go camping? And beside the Sharan only gets a few more mile per gallon than
34 BMI727 : Some cheaper cars have gotten lower and sleeker too. The Volkswagen CC comes to mind, and I don't see this trend dying out in the near future. Build
35 Newark727 : The CC is kind of that, and kind of an upmarket retooling of the Passat to accommodate the new US-built mainstream version. The usual trend, with som
36 Revelation : BMW seems to have a big enough parts bin so they can add just enough stuff to to give the new 4 series a sense of being a distinct series. However th
37 SuperCaravelle : As far as I know the M3 (and M4 I guess) will get 6 cylinder turbo engines. Not sure if I'm happy with it, I still think turbocharged engines aren't
38 Revelation : Not sure if you are mistaken, but I can report the 2012 530i the dealer lent me here in the US while my 330i was in for a service was a v6 turbo. I t
39 wagz : As far as price point for this 4 series goes, I read a rumor on a BMW forum I frequent (yes, only a rumor so take this with a few grains of salt). It
40 Aesma : BMW doesn't do V6s they do L6s. And yes the current 5 series has an all turbo line-up (starting with 4 cylinders engines in Europe).
41 Revelation : Yep, you are correct, thanks for the correction!
42 Post contains images BMI727 : In many cases they are. Usually they offer more than just a larger (maybe, or it could just be more powerful) engine. Porsche keeps it relatively log
43 Newark727 : I have only very limited experience driving turbo cars but between the peaky naturally aspirated four on my Honda and the turbo five on my dad's old
44 Revelation : Thats a decent way of putting it. I drove the BMW 535i with i4 turbo and the 535 with i6 turbo. I found the turbo didn't do much to change the peaky
45 flight152 : The 535i has been and still is a six cylinder. You may be thinking of the 528i which recently has changed from a naturally aspirated six to a turbo f
46 SuperCaravelle : You are of course completely correct, silly mistake/typo from my side. Ah ok. In Europe we still have the 530 petrol with a N/A straight-6 3 liter. N
47 mham001 : Sales of which are down 28% for the year after the recent refresh.
48 Polot : The new Passat probably stole some of their sales, even if they serve slightly different markets. There was no 2011 Passat in the US; if you wanted a
49 Aesma : While doing my research for the previous post (I'm not too interested in sedans usually) I found a review of the 535i where they said it was nice, the
50 BMI727 : If you want to drive an SUV you might as well drive a fast one. But why they do M versions of the X5 and X6 while leaving the 7 Series entirely to Al
51 SuperCaravelle : I always liked to think that the M division people were real enthusiasts, only wanting to build thoroughbreds. Therefore just putting a fast engine i
52 Post contains links BMI727 : I'm sure that S-Class AMG, Porsche Panamera, and Quattroporte drivers would disagree. I'm a fan of small and light, but big cars can be fun too. Plen
53 Newark727 : 'Sup fellow E39 M5 fan? Yeah, the 1M is decent looking, I think they went a little overkill on the wheelarches though. At the LA Auto Show they showe
54 BMI727 : I don't. If they'd gone whole hog on the body kit with a big wing and silly ground effects you'd be absolutely right. But the rest of it is rather un
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